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'The Mango' in Chess: How the 5 Gods of Melee have a Chess Counterpart 

Yo-Han Sung (Yo Han)
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@poiibo
@poiibo 3 года назад
Where's the Harkoni Gambit
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
The Harkoni Gambit is the friends that we've made along the way
@matiasbriar3056
@matiasbriar3056 3 года назад
You all probably dont care at all but does anybody know a trick to get back into an Instagram account..? I stupidly lost the account password. I would appreciate any tricks you can offer me.
@aldenaldo5472
@aldenaldo5472 3 года назад
@Matias Briar instablaster =)
@krangitebacon5039
@krangitebacon5039 3 года назад
this video made me realize that we are in the year 20XX of Chess with the computer programs being at the stage they are at
@thatoneguy9582
@thatoneguy9582 3 года назад
The year is 20XX. Everyone plays the Ruy Lopez at Stockfish levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on starting colour. The Rock Paper Scissors metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide matches. Humanity has reached its pinnacle.
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 11 месяцев назад
Play r,p,s because it's always a draw
@CreamyPesto505
@CreamyPesto505 3 года назад
Me: How does Bobby fisher equal M2K? Bobby Fisher: I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves. Me: Oh. I get it.
@SadToffee
@SadToffee Год назад
Fisher actually plays cool chess though, rather than M2K's "optimal" gameplay
@jazerasor1455
@jazerasor1455 Год назад
Fischer's much more of a Leffen than an M2K imo. But more dominant than both.
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 11 месяцев назад
​@@SadToffeethat's believing he's not trying to play at his optimal game plan
@SadToffee
@SadToffee 11 месяцев назад
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 fisher literally quit chess because it got too serialized and boring for him.
@revolutionofmedicine
@revolutionofmedicine 11 месяцев назад
He also said he enjoyed it when he broke a man’s spirit.
@MrGetownedLP
@MrGetownedLP Год назад
This video has aged super well for Melee, and fits into the new mindset a lot of people have been echoing: Melee is sick because there's so many different ways to play - and the 5 gods represent this spectrum well
@Ihavealeftbrain
@Ihavealeftbrain 3 года назад
Suggested this to Ludwig during the stream because I think this vid deserves some love. And he now loves Tal and likes that one music. Keep up the great work man.
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
You're a literal legend my friend!
@kikewickens6324
@kikewickens6324 3 года назад
In a way, Bobby Fischer is more similar to Armada than to Mang0. Both travelled over the their respective contrary continents (Which was way stronger than their own) and stood alone against an entire continent, ultimately prevailing and kicking everyones ass
@Dooooooor
@Dooooooor 3 года назад
Came from mango's stream, this vid is so good
@yummysimon4
@yummysimon4 3 года назад
mangoFan
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you all! Can you tell I'm a mango fan? lmao
@derk890
@derk890 3 года назад
yo u got the stream vod?
@Feisty123
@Feisty123 3 года назад
Do you know when he watched it? Would love to see the vod
@SL-pt1ib
@SL-pt1ib 3 года назад
mangoBB
@wackabump3957
@wackabump3957 3 года назад
Subbed, this was really high effort
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you!
@gildedgarden3932
@gildedgarden3932 3 года назад
This is beautiful. Playstyle really just arent talked about enough and in 1v1 games it defines so much. I too have been learning chess along side my fighting game journey and its opened my eyes to a lot of player interactions and ideas that work in both. To anyone playing either my best advice, Control the center.
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you for your kind words my friend, I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
@M4C3W1
@M4C3W1 3 года назад
It sucks to see such a high quality video not blow up and go super viral due to the tiny target audience (people who are both into melee and chess) but I think you’ve done a good enough job at creating the context and explaining the comparisons perfectly that I truly believe anyone can enjoy this vid. I also think it’s fun to think about how both games have entered seemingly brand new eras recently, and it might be cool to theorize what kind of comparisons can be made from top level modern players of both games
@joshbreton8496
@joshbreton8496 11 месяцев назад
I just got recommended this video and WOW, I have to say I’m blown away!! Such a great video!!
@YourDaddysBelt69
@YourDaddysBelt69 Год назад
LMAO! That clip of Tal smiling after making his move and Bobby looking visibly annoyed is so iconic. Reminds me of M2k vs Mango way back in the day when Mango played puff
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK Год назад
Tal is still Chess's coolest player
@catinator2
@catinator2 2 года назад
I would say that Carlsen as Zain makes a lot of sense. Also I think Vishy Anand as Plup works great too. Anand was known for his speed and being great at rapid and blitz which fits Plup's extremely fast technical style well.
@Jaziel_Berumen
@Jaziel_Berumen Год назад
This video still has 10 min of FIRE that I keep coming back to regularly.....this guy should talk about Tal games, I'd watch that
@loverlover34
@loverlover34 3 года назад
This is fantastic. I don't really know much chess history outside of Bobby Fischer so listening to this mixed with melee knowledge and comparison is a love letter to my childhood
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
I am so happy you liked it!
@gencarlozo8018
@gencarlozo8018 3 года назад
I love how I have very little knowledge of the melee scene, and how chess play styles work but found this video super entertaining. The way you explained things in both chess and for each player was super easy to digest. Great video man!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you! I was hoping that I clarified enough for people who were unfamilar, so I'm happy to hear that.
@gencarlozo8018
@gencarlozo8018 3 года назад
@@DundiesTK anytime! You did an amazing job at it :)
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the love people are showing for this video! I love all of you guys. And yes my taste in music is impeccable, tell me more about it heh
@ShakeDrizzle
@ShakeDrizzle 3 года назад
dope editing dude
@rpotts
@rpotts 2 года назад
I just thought of this video after watching it when it was new a couple years ago, rewatched it and was every bit as captivated as I was the first time. Thank you so much for making it.
@tayloralyse
@tayloralyse 3 года назад
watching on ludwig's stream, super cool vid!!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you so much!
@ells101
@ells101 3 года назад
P.S I think Isai is Capablanca or maybe Morphy. Both chess players played an important role in showing that sacrificing and simplifying -if you keep the initiative (attacking chances) - is very strong, in a time when this was not really appreciated. Isai and his C.Falcon was also a trailblazer, showcasing a level of play that no one could have really imagined. The rest of the world would catch up to his intuitive grasp of the game some years later. Isai's performances were really an early blueprint for the modern style of melee.
@FerousFolly
@FerousFolly Год назад
I love the morphy comparison but I'm very glad it doesn't extend into isai's personal life like it did for morphy.
@julian1000
@julian1000 11 месяцев назад
Who do you think for Ken? So early to the scene he got to simply dominate - probably Morphy?
@FerousFolly
@FerousFolly Год назад
GOATED VIDEO DUDE, how have I never seen your channel before?? not sure if you're still reading comments 3 years on, but would you mind if I tried to get Coney to watch it as one of his melee essay movie nights? it's been a while since you made it but I think it would make a great main channel segment and maybe net you at _least_ a few hundred subs from those of us who are always starving for AsumSaus style content (in hopes you return to make more in the future)
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK Год назад
Hello, and thank you! I'm not a Melee content creator, but I've been a long time player for a while. I'm glad you enjoyed! I read every single one of my comments still, so I'm happy that this video sorta picked up on everyone's algorythms all of a sudden haha. Definitely get Coney to watch it, I think he'll enjoy it as well.
@FerousFolly
@FerousFolly Год назад
@@DundiesTK well I'm ringing the bell anyway bro; you may have no plans for another banger like this one, but if you ever do get another Dundie Nuetron Brain Blast I gotta be there for it this was such a incredibly novel observation to make and you explored it with _just_ the right amount of depth and enthusiasm to be _properly_ nourishing to my smash-pilled, essay addicted audhd brain. seriously man, big ups, it's small creators like yourself, including the one-hits, that would inspire me to make my own essays if I had better self-discipline
@coachmcguirk6297
@coachmcguirk6297 11 месяцев назад
Comparing windmill checks with chain grabs was brilliant.
@skechers8223
@skechers8223 3 года назад
Insanely high effort but it makes for a great vid, good shit
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@zcriq1372
@zcriq1372 3 года назад
absolutely superb video. breaking down both certain chess and melee interactions and relating them to each other was incredible to watch, even as a non chess player! also i highly approve of the use of danganronpa music, amazing ost :)
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you kind friend, I appreciate that so much :)
@breadtube_king5744
@breadtube_king5744 Год назад
Honestly this a great video; good job dude 👏
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed!
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral 11 месяцев назад
Combining two of my passions, I love it... even before I started playing I thought, "I bet Jason is Fischer."
@brandantobin3925
@brandantobin3925 Год назад
Bro keep making content you are gonna blow up! As a huge fan of chess, Melee and Queen’s Gambit, I thoroughly enjoyed this
@ells101
@ells101 3 года назад
Underrated video, great analysis. Love the storylines and prowess in both games and you covered the ins and outs of both games without going too heavy on the jargon on either. Well done
@LoopZoopler
@LoopZoopler 2 года назад
incredibly well done video. Amazing
@sakethballa36t
@sakethballa36t 3 года назад
This was insanely good. Now I wanna watch more chess stuff. Subbed instantly.
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Check out Agadmator or Matojelic, they show so many cool games that I learned from!
@tank5495
@tank5495 3 года назад
When I first seen this I was like "please dont say Mango is the Magnus Carlsen of Chess". We definitely don't have someone that good in Melee lmao. Great video dude
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Blur is the Magnus Carlsen of chess
@deegobooster
@deegobooster 3 года назад
Magnus isn't the best player in history, only the best player currently.
@ichthyostegaxd3727
@ichthyostegaxd3727 3 года назад
@@deegobooster Of course he is the best player in history lol. Name me 1 person who's better at chess than he is
@deegobooster
@deegobooster 3 года назад
@@ichthyostegaxd3727 Chess mastery isn't just measured by pure ranking. It's also measured by dominance. Right now many of the top players can beat Magnus. He is not considerably ahead of the pack. The best player in history would show not just a dominance in ranking but also among their peers. Kasparov, Karpov, Lasker, etc all have a better chance at being the best player in history because they fit that criteria much closer than Magnus. And Magnus agrees, "Kasparov had 20 years uninterrupted as the world number 1...He must be considered as the best in history. But I feel that time is on my side...I'm not 30 yet. If I were to be considered the best in history at 30, I would have had to start dominating at 10."
@ichthyostegaxd3727
@ichthyostegaxd3727 3 года назад
@@deegobooster That's just being the most dominant/successful player. You can say Kasparov, Fischer, Karpov and the likes were the most dominant of their time but nobody ever was as good at the game of chess as Magnus Carlsen. Therefore he's the best player in history.
@Rway
@Rway Год назад
very nice video, love the chess and melee scene, and gave me a bunch of new chess history knowledge.
@destinydynamites
@destinydynamites 2 года назад
finally found something that appeals to both my diehard obsessions of melee and of chess this is wonderfully niche and i love it lol
@lukestanley820
@lukestanley820 3 года назад
The 3rd strike music made this video perfect
@AlucardGoya
@AlucardGoya 2 месяца назад
As someone who doesn’t even know how to play chess, this video was beautifully presented and I could get most of it. It’s such a fun and interesting topic and I believe you did it justice.
@Grabaxt
@Grabaxt 3 года назад
One of the best Melee videos I've ever seen. Amazing.
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
You're amazing!
@Grabaxt
@Grabaxt 3 года назад
@@DundiesTK No you are amazing dude! :D Really great work! I hope to see more of it in the future! :)
@SapSapirot
@SapSapirot Год назад
... Tal has always been my favorite chess player. It all makes sense now.
@linkoffate
@linkoffate 3 года назад
This was a brilliant analysis / comparison video! Loved every second of it
@kingarthur3236
@kingarthur3236 3 года назад
Absolutely incredible video. Very accurate and a great excuse to show off incredible chess games
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
There were so many games I wanted to showcase in this video, but I had to shorten them to the most concise examples of each player!
@arc-sd8sk
@arc-sd8sk 11 месяцев назад
idk anything about chess but this was extremely fascinating and easy to follow edit: 21:23 my god that is diabolical
@iVerutMean
@iVerutMean 3 года назад
Man this was a really good video! Great work
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
YO Verut you watched this?! Hell yeah hahaha thank you my man!
@iVerutMean
@iVerutMean 3 года назад
@@DundiesTK yessir!! Have you thought about posting in the smash community? Maybe Reddit or something.
@jaci.terkel
@jaci.terkel 11 месяцев назад
What a watch. I love the soundtrack you used!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching!
@creepercomix495
@creepercomix495 3 года назад
I love this video! Very comprehensive, and entertaining as all hell, keep going man!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
That's one of the best things I could ever hear! Thank you!
@JuneLaLonde
@JuneLaLonde 11 месяцев назад
As a former smasher and a current chess player: I'm actually scared to see how targeted the algo can get in serving this to me lol
@jeromehillebrands9220
@jeromehillebrands9220 3 года назад
I've only watched 7 minutes si far but i think this might be the best RU-vid video i've ever seen PS: my guess is that Mang0 is either Tal or Morphy Hyngrybox might be Karpov or Petrosian And for m2k and Armada i have no idea
@ykahlil1501
@ykahlil1501 10 месяцев назад
Fantastic video ❤❤❤
@briansshare
@briansshare 3 года назад
Really impossible to give this enough praise. Amazing amazing stuff
@JohnDoe-jd8oo
@JohnDoe-jd8oo 3 года назад
This video is excellent! Thanks for making it.
@mogaku776
@mogaku776 11 месяцев назад
Banger video
@GirlDotJpeg
@GirlDotJpeg 3 года назад
this video was so well made and interesting. i didnt plan on watching much of it but i ended up watching the whole thing lmao
@dylanthompson8449
@dylanthompson8449 3 года назад
This video is amazing, two of my favourite hobbies put into one
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you for your kind words my friend!
@samurainak5828
@samurainak5828 2 года назад
Dude, someone linked me this video in my comment section. I'm glad they did because this shit is great man.
@HoistTheSailsGentlemen
@HoistTheSailsGentlemen 3 года назад
That ending! Very funny and the video was very well made!
@marcelcolpani1242
@marcelcolpani1242 11 месяцев назад
This gotta be the nichest video I've ever seen
@jacksfacts20
@jacksfacts20 11 месяцев назад
Very informational and very funny editing
@Rodcot
@Rodcot 3 года назад
Saw the video on mango's stream but it was so good I had to come give the view and like, good job.
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you for the support!
@jjpp1993
@jjpp1993 11 месяцев назад
this makes me wonder about the kind of gods on any other game. great vid
@tessademsky1156
@tessademsky1156 Год назад
5:55 this analogy would work really well with DI trapping as well
@b0nes64
@b0nes64 3 года назад
i watch this video so much a top 3 video of all time such high effort and you can really tell love you dundies. (also who is the zain of chess i have to know)
@reddd-77
@reddd-77 3 года назад
This deserves wayyy more views
@clearandsweet
@clearandsweet 3 года назад
Fantastic video. Beautiful concept and insights.
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you so much, that means a lot!
@twlgz5192
@twlgz5192 11 месяцев назад
I was so happy you said m2k is bobby fisher. Great comparison
@roofb1612
@roofb1612 3 года назад
Your content is sick dude
@imabossDJ
@imabossDJ 3 года назад
great job very informative and interesting
@FP-ih1lu
@FP-ih1lu 3 года назад
This vid is great, amazing job
@TheRooxass
@TheRooxass 3 года назад
Excellent video man
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you so much!
@EmeraldBlade98
@EmeraldBlade98 Год назад
I always compared smash to a fighting game equivalent to chess, so I just searched up “melee chess” and found this video, good video btw
@br0dus
@br0dus 3 года назад
Very good video hope to see more from you and to see you rise up in popularity. Edit: you need to work on your sound mixing. You are so Quiet and the music is so loud at some parts
@tokisuno
@tokisuno 3 года назад
this video honestly deserves more views holy shit.
@fenrir_427
@fenrir_427 11 месяцев назад
Very nice. You get the same parallel in Kuroko basket
@_cogojoe_
@_cogojoe_ 2 года назад
that axe cameo at 24:18 killed me
@KaptajnKlutch
@KaptajnKlutch 3 года назад
What a fricking amazing video! TOP TIER CONTENT
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you! I'm super happy with the results of this video, so I'm glad you guys all enjoyed it too
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 11 месяцев назад
I have problems with melee's view of "the 5 gods", but this was a very well made video.
@lilant702
@lilant702 3 года назад
This is a really good video
@Starkey_
@Starkey_ 3 года назад
Amazing video!
@frankjohnson123
@frankjohnson123 Год назад
I guessed the Botvinnik move because that passed pawn looks so juicy, but I had none of the calculations to back it up
@drjimbo1357
@drjimbo1357 3 года назад
ludwig pog
@ILoveMoms445
@ILoveMoms445 11 месяцев назад
Good video
@julian1000
@julian1000 11 месяцев назад
This was well done :D
@RedLineFGC
@RedLineFGC 3 года назад
Great content, bro. Glad you're back!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
MY MAIN GUY
@jiaan100
@jiaan100 Год назад
Tal and mango also both very frequently not sober
@alwayshappypastry
@alwayshappypastry 3 года назад
eyyy nice dgrp music
@HitscanSedan
@HitscanSedan 3 года назад
Yooooo good shit dundies loved it
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you!
@user-mo1mw7go4w
@user-mo1mw7go4w 3 года назад
my god this video is amazing
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you!
@N0Experience
@N0Experience 3 года назад
Came from reddit really good video ive commented my thoughts on reddit already just wanted to say that i liked and subscribed. Keep it up
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Thank you!
@Akiak7
@Akiak7 Год назад
insane vid, underrated
@ChaoticSatire
@ChaoticSatire 3 года назад
This video increased my intelligence tenfold
@tessademsky1156
@tessademsky1156 Год назад
God I love Mang0
@josueramirez7247
@josueramirez7247 Год назад
2:15 uhh no. You can also get into the Queen’s Gambit Declined when people play 1. c4
@MrGetownedLP
@MrGetownedLP Год назад
8:23 gorgeous down air
@mody1710
@mody1710 11 месяцев назад
This chess thing is interesting, I hope a small community of nerds somewhere start making tournaments for it
@edwinmezaga
@edwinmezaga 3 года назад
Bruh!!! This video is pure fire🔥!!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
You're pure fire hEH
@dekufiremage7808
@dekufiremage7808 11 месяцев назад
aMSa is the type of player who always uses the bong cloud opening yet still wins
@Rspknlikeab0ssxd
@Rspknlikeab0ssxd 11 месяцев назад
The Zain Magnus fakeout at the end🤣
@Michael-hc2hp
@Michael-hc2hp 2 года назад
"And you can't find moves like that unless you're Kevin Nanney himself" And if Hungrybox has shot DI
@pheonixfire4544
@pheonixfire4544 Год назад
Amazing vid
@edwinmezaga
@edwinmezaga 3 года назад
I really appreciate all the blur jokes!
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 3 года назад
Somebody had to do it
@bb97979
@bb97979 3 года назад
@@DundiesTK 👀👀
@baileyayyy5085
@baileyayyy5085 11 месяцев назад
dont mind me down here, years later still bitter that queens gambit wasn't based on Judit Polgár
@DundiesTK
@DundiesTK 11 месяцев назад
Queens Gambit definitely should have been about Judit Polgar haha
@Leonjrxx
@Leonjrxx Год назад
If chess ever adds L-canceling I'm quitting
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