The Many Issues With TDS Hardcore... (And How to Fix Them) 

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really cool video man, i propose we fix the hardcore problem by DELETING THE GAMEMODE FOREVER AHAHAHAA

I'm not even kidding, I spent over 30 minutes looking for crossroads and even when I did get it these damned griefers that would get in a elevator, leave, then rejoin to do it over again... Hardcore has so many issues

Funny thing is, TDX's Endless mode proved that games can be long AND heavily rewarding AND fun AND incredibly difficult. I'm sure that even with the current design philosophy of Hardcore, the TDS devs could fairly easily make the mode better. Sadly, it's simply a relic of the hardcore update (for now), and is largely outdated- so of course it's the weakest part of TDS as it stands. But even the TDS devs have done this before themselves. Many events before Hardcore and after take maybe about 40-50ish minutes to realistically complete (Nuclear, Winter 2021, etc) and were/are at least challenging. Hardcore, I believe, is a product of the rushed development hell of 2019-2020 TDS went through.

Hardcore is so boring

No.1 reason Its so outdated ,the hardcore enemies are very outdated and dont match with the new meta of the game

If we Think About it, Hardcore is Really old came out back in 2020, and hasn’t been updated (Apart from maps) and maybe bug fixes. 1. They are planing to add Match making for hardcore (i think) 2. They might be revamping this mode. Just like what they did to normal. So maybe we can expect hardcore to actually be good, it’s a pain we’re there is no match making.

I found this video recently, it surprisingly and accurately addresses the issues with Hardcore with a more formal but still fun-to-watch take instead of the usual quick explanations that most new TDS Content Creators do, I see great potential, and I'll look forward to what issues you'll address next and great video dude!

The devs will rework every gamemode, hardcore it's not the exception of that, in a point of this year we can play (maybe) a hardcore rework with new enemies and redesigns of the bosses.

Someone definitely needed to talk about this, great vid!

in my opinion, 50 waves is what makes the gamemode so interesting, you have to be really patient if you want to beat the gamemode because of the very long length

honestly, this is fire, great editing, only thing to make it better is the mic quality, it peaks alot either way, good job :3

Holy shit massive insane W good job mate

Honestly the thing that gripes me with hardcore is that unlike any other mode in the game hardcore REQUIRES a strategy to beat or atleast make decent gems, i know strategies are used for other modes like nuclear wastelands but in those you can still bring a fair variety of towers at random, hardcore requires you to bring the same damn towers and pull up that stupid strat document and its not that hardcore is actually hard its just difficulty spikes and a crapload of bonus effects on zombies, you dont feel challenged just bored and angry

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Nice video! Very informative, keep up the good work! ❤

If they’re adding matchmaking for Hardcore, the design of the Voting Lobby should be something similar to 2020 Overhaul Hardcore Lobby.

0:32 very tds

I'd rather sh** broken glass than grind TDS Hardcore mode. The SINGLE BEST thing to ever happen to it was the Match Restarting thingy making it faster to get gems, and that's currently bugged and the devs still HAVEN'T FIXED IT YET. In fact, they patched a Pizza Party coin grinding strat rather than AN ACTUAL BUG. Also I totally agree with these changes. One change to make dealing with lead balloons easier is honestly just giving gold mini flying detection (it has lead detection at level 3, so it'll make it useful instead of being a useless gold skin.)

i won hardcore but a circuit didnt despawn and made us lose at the last second

for me the current hardcore may have a lot of problem but it certainly is fun (for me and my friends at least) especially because the gameplay is longer and more chaotic than fallen mode and the other

Apart from the crate idea this video is spot on. An idea I always had was to have former event towers be paid with gems as locking gameplay behind FOMO bs and paywalls is very anti-consumer. People who have the tower achievement can maybe get an exclusive skin for the time they put in.

i think the complaint about tower choice is kinda weird , cuz theres a lot of variety in what you can pick (especially if youre trying to solo hardcore) but i think mooost of the other complaints are fair . especially the gems being useless thing cuz when you help 2 of ur friends get accel at different times it starts to get a little annoying not doing anything with them

I dunno if they added war machine in its current state I don’t think anyone would complain. It’s not like it’s too op cause it only gives a 20 percentage buff and it would give people something to grind for

This is seriously a good idea hopefully below sees this and fix hardcore but the 50 waves will need to be keep

Hardcore has more waves. Speedy comes out on wave 4 while fallen has less waves and a speedy comes out of wave 5 Also what he said on 4:55 would be game changing. Using your leftover gems to buy different cool skins.

For hardcore mode, one thing I hate is that there are too little elevators and it's hard to find the map we want. If somehow we can pick which map we want just like normal matches in hardcore mode it would be better! And they gotta fix the restart button like its so annoying how it shows but it doesn't work. And when I just did my first hardcore triumph that I just uploaded I didn't get my gems 😭

Agree with most of the points. But to be fair the right way to top it all off would be leaning more into concept of "enemies having unique gimmicks that you have to find a way around ( for example something that can comepltely shut down your avarage "just spam more accels" strat )" type of hard rather than making them bullet sponges. We might already have lead and float traits that fit the concept to some extent, but they are insignificant to the point where you just forget about them (except maybe for lead balloon combo). As a nice bonus by making hardcore an actual challenge that requires more planning and MAYBE mechanical skill to prevent you from just cheesing it with a strat, you can make it award accelerator (or maybe even an engineer or some other gem towers if you add a way to justify such rewards) to solve issue with ungodly amounts of hardcore grinding. But since it would require to pretty much rework hardcore completely and would drop robux revenue by at best 80%, that wont happen 😄.

they should make the boss waves harder, like gravedigger is a piece of cake molten boss is even easier and fallen swordmaster is nothing, fallen king is the only decently hard one

I feel like the 50 waves gives it that extra 'Oh shit, there's more?' vibe to it. But everything else is justified (I literally don't play it anymore cuz it takes me 30 mins to find skilled players to hop in with me)

thing was when hardcore released it checked off most of these while also being fun and hard 2 years later its impossible 1 year later the average tds devs nowadays always making everything incredibly easy and overpowered

I think theres only a few maps in hardcore because the developers dont want solo hardcore to be possible on almost every map. For example, fungi island used to be in the map rotation but got deleted just by looking at how many people soloed hardcore on it. The issue with gems is definetly reasonable, after getting engineer and accelerator, gems have no use. Ive seen people with 20k gems, 50k, even some with 100k. If there was a special gem crate, that would be pretty cool

Hi, I agree hardcore really need matchmaking it would really make it more simple to beat it and grind

The lead cause of most problems of hardcore : hardcore is updated only a few times and there is even an enemy from 2020 which havent been touched lol

Okay, this video REALLY makes the concept of hardcore better, but... I need to say, they should make the bosses(molten boss, fallen king, grave digger) different. For example, magmarouz Boss(Molten boss but stronger)

They could make it so that you can continue going through another 10 waves to reach wave 50 for a boost in the gem/coin reward u get

1:08 imagine how hard it would be to find cross on all 50+. Hopefully they don't add all of the maps, or at least let you choose a map

TDX Endless is a far better endgame in my opinion. You can make it fairly far into the gamemode stratless, but not Hardcore. Hardcore you basically need a strat. One mild error just gets you killed in Hardcore.

3:47 lets be honest here, nobuddy is going to use either archer or sniper, electroschoker is not realy commonly used at all, and necromancer has to relly on either there allready being an executioner skeleton down the straight line of cross roads or you have to time the ability and pray to god the gravestone explosions hit the lead ballons (honestly necromancer should have lead detection, i see no reason why it shouldnt have it)

The on,y problem I have with hardcore is it having only 2 elevators. It took me 20 minutes for me to get the cross roads map. If they make a separate area with multiple elevators for hardcore then it’s all good

Honestly, the increase in the price of things takes away from the fun. I would highly prefer if the enemies getting stronger over me getting weaker,

I don't think they'll ever touch hardcore ever again, because they never update the hardcore since the entity update. Also hardcore is nostalgic because most of the enemy is from 2020/2021, why do they never updated the enemy but instead make a new matchmaking? I don't know.

hardcore was the most intense mode i ever played

Solo hardcore needs to be easier to solo and should be more rewarding Also here is some stuff to change for solo hardcore: 1) have the ability to use only 1 consumable 2) have the ability to get a 6th tower slot in hardcore(but its only anvailable if u won hardcore before). 3) Increase wave cash and decrease the costs for towers by a VERY short amount 4)Decrease the amount of enemies on spectacular waves(f.e. less ballons on wave) 5) Make leads at least take a little bit of dmg even of the towers dont have lead detection 6) NERF THE SPEED OF THE SLOW KING LIKE BRO HE ISNT EVEN SLOW 7) Decrease the amount of shield that is put into enemies 8) Limit the amount of souls that void reaver can summon to just 8 souls 9) Nerf the speed of Void reavers 3rd rush form 10) more......gems......

Fallen sword man has code so old he BREAKS. Fallen King for some reason cant do anything else besides spinning.... Gravedigger is fine he works well. Molten boss dies too fast for me to notice if hes broken. Vindicators never break and Fallen titans work fine exept the shield ability.

peak xbox microphone,great video btw

hardcore would be so bad if they added even more maps cause u cant even get the map u want in public lobbies

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Yeah cause it’s 4 years outdated, devs say they dont want to work on it for some reason, and they would replace it with a diffrent type of mode entirely if they wanted to change it. (Likely wont happen till after 2.0)

0:55 they can use old hardcore testing lobby theme

with the power ups update (useless for hardcore, made it worse actually), sniper is for some reason NO LONGER ABLE TO HIT LEADS ON ANY LEVELS. It's so dumb ngl.

The new unknown upcoming tower better be unlockable with gems...

Now we need issue for polluted wasteland

Instead of getting a HC rebalance/rework, we instead get a brand new gamemode because of the community.

W tuber remembered when u used to make piggy maps. Raking in dough now

matchmaking can help alot cuz 1 to get good teamate 2 less time consuming to get good teamates

Hardcore needs the elevators gone, like if im trying to do luccile strat I DONT WANT TO WASTER 30 DAMN MINUTES TO GET CROSSROADS OR GETTING CYBERCITY FOR CYBERSPAM STRAT. Also hc should be longer.

people who remember hardcore used to be played with blox maps and mecha base : 🗿🍷🍷

Commander Support Caravan ability spawns a unit with all detections that shreds through lead balooms

0:47 Hold up for an damn min- *flashback old hardcore lobby* yep def add it back-

Hardcore big skill issue but i can still go to wave 48 without my friends and worst part is fallen king is fast enough and stun abuser. The requires to beat harecore with duo like Jester, Accelerator, Engineer, Pursuit, Golden minigunner and Mercenary base for support damages. Jester is for confuse for Void Reaver. Golden Minigunner, Accelerator, Engineer and Pursuit for dps and you use default minigunner but it will lack of dps. Forgot to say really need ranger for the high damage

I just want them to add so the less people in a party the more towers tou can bring. I pretty much only play solo and it is so restricting to not be able to bring commander, dj, farm and 3+ attack towers.

I think 3 players is fine as it is, I do agree with the rest.

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I dunno maybe if only crossroads spawn so u maybe don’t have to wait 10 minutes to get into the match, and maybe they could fix the restart button cause I don’t get it. The literally tax u 30 gems for winning for no reason just cause they could

The main issue is 5ouls, Crazrex and danksplatter soloing it too many times...

There's one thing I think hardcore needs too. A PLAYERBASE WILLING TO HELP PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE MODE *WITHOUT* THE HARDCORE TOWERS SO THEY CAN UNLOCK THEM.

And im still thinking hardcore with coins and gem is a good idea to grind. 1575 coins and 300 gems, look fair enough and still waiting for the hacker and chaos mode release

well i think you can easily beat hardcore in 30 minutes with a regular strat i think the dev nerf the length of hardcore long ago

Goated video.

they already said they will change some things in all game modes. maybe hardcore is there

Honestly, I think that they either have to rework Hardcore & add matchmaking, or replace it with an Endless (Yes, like TDX) It would be fair enough to compare those, and I'll just say that Endless is far more enjoyable and rewarding For now though, all I can say is that Hardcore is insanely difficult, and there is nothing more to it ;-; (but I guess hardcore being a complete pain is implied within its own name, soo..)

if hc matchmaking existed what would ever be the point of a private server

Fun fact: phantom crate was originally going to be a gemme crate, but they switched to a robux crate

Another problen was new player on hardcore never trust a lv300 host who want to do stratless, they're relying in Lucille nowadays

Hardcore lobby theme exists

Hardcore just sucks I cant even get past wave 25 plus the goddam griefers that will just join the elevator so u cant join. I hope that they make hardcore fun, less grinding, gets more gems

….yet people care more about making some silly new gamemode that’s probably just gonna be easier than fallen, less rewarding, and near-useless to play rather than reworking the mode they don’t like 😔

you said hardcore is too easy, because of the lack of difficulty spikes, but you also said it’s too hard because only a few towers can hit lead balloons. Which is it?

We got brawler now if you curious with the Recently

Hardcore does need work, BUT KEEP THE 50 WAVES OR MAKE IT 60 IT NEEDS TO BE HARDER!!

wait only 40 to 50min? Also if he doesn't upgrade hardcore, we all know tds :/

Ye this deserves a sub

First lol fr tho hc is quite outdated

No need to add coins that for molten if they did than other mods will be useless they just need to add more towers or skin and make it more fun and challenging

Here’s a simple idea, make deluxe crates able to get from gems.

I agree with everything but I think it is hard enough with the unknowns just span stunning but I can solo to wave 50 then loose to the unknowns stunning to much

Kinda sad for Hardcore how Endless mode in TDX came in and did Hardcore's job of being a hard game mode better

The maain issue is waiting for the map you want. I waited for 30 MINUTES for a map because it came only once in that time and some idiot took a spot cuz he wanted to solo. So we joined that guy and purposely made him lose. They should just make it s longer corridor with every map set out. I cba to wait that much.

i don't think there is much wrong with the gamemode since it is hardcore and for god sake i don't want it to get harder. But everthing else is valid tho

hear me out guys. the fact that the game is easy what is hard is how you get in the game. Imagine this just wasting your time for 15-20 mins. then some random guy enters your elevator while you just stand there and cant do anything

They should make it possible to convert gems to coins

I think they should balance hardcore like btd6 does with free play gradually making it harder and ofcourse having more unique stuff yeah

Another idea (not a serius one) put hidden wave in hardcore and make the reward a tower or 5 more gems

I agree Hardcore Matchmaking should exist, but I wouldn't say VIP Players should be able to pick ANY map, and it should only work on hardcore-available maps, since it'd only make the game more P2W and it could also take a while getting the maps you want without the gamepass, potentially longer, since all you have to do for the elevators is go in and out in 1 sec intervals, while you have to join, enter matchmaking, leave and rejoin until you get the map you want, so I'd say either add more elevators or balance the matchmaking system. As for more HC Towers, I definitely agree, but rn I don't think it'd be possible without a drastic content drought, even now the time jump between new towers is still quite high and would lead to another content drought the playerbase thought they'd moved on from, Trapper --> Merc Base was still long and adding multiple HC Towers is also quite challenging, since Merc Base was always a level tower it was easy to put it in the game as a level 150 tower, and Trapper was a mid game tower so 3,000 fits the others, but HC towers are unique, each one changes the meta in some way shape or form, mostly the Accel and Engineer, adding more of these would have to be balanced with pricing and the meta to make sure they're worth your money FAR more than coin based towers, since they're often easier to get since Mini and Ranger are dominating the Coin Scene other than gold towers atm, which was planned, altho I see them coming in future for sure, after the Chaos Mode releases it'll give time during the hype for the devs to work on a HC Tower to release since ppl are gonna try and find strategies and coin grind methods, but before it releases (and thank god its soon) I don't see it being a good idea since it would stall future updates greatly. As for going from 50 --> 40 waves, I again disagree, HC takes a while but going to 40 waves makes everything worse, beating HC would be an absolute nightmare with 40 waves, soloing it would be impossible but trioing it would also be practically impossible without towers such as Jester, and, even then, you get the idea, 1,200,000 HP on Wave 40 is ridiculous, and with how the game wants to make space for the Grave Digger, Molten Boss, and Fallen King/Swordmaster, fitting them into 40 waves is extremely hard, and it already is hard with 50, beating Wave 40 HC would be a nightmarish challenge that would ruin the grinding meta more than having 10 more waves, Regarding filler waves, going on your statement of the difficulty going up gradually, contradicts with your ideas of filler waves, without filler waves it could easily take an hour+ to beat HC, since harder waves = more time to complete = more game time, Wave 25, 45 and 50 are already difficult enough, and sure you'll have more money but having most other waves being a Wave 25/45 makes no sense and would also drastically increase the difficulty of HC, since you have to prep for one enemy with a certain tower but it can't hit the enemies that are already breaching your defence, a good example is 45 and 47 already, you're getting your defense ready for the brutal Wave 45, but then you don't have the towers to take out the Necromancer Bosses and they end your run, having Wave 46 be a filler wave gives you time to prep, Wave 46 already introduces Soul Bosses and Necromancer Bosses, and a Boss Wave should have a greater difficulty spike, so 3 Necro Bosses on Wave 47 would feel more appropriate, especially since Wave 46 is already quite easy with just the 1 Necro Boss, to make it harder than 45 there would have to be multiple necro Bosses, = more on Wave 47 and suddenly you're being overran by them on Wave 46/47, As for the player count and tower specifications, I think they're also justified, having 3 players makes the game more difficult, and being able to solo it doesn't justify making it more easy to grind, an extra player would make HC a joke already, and the ability to solo with event towers, again, justifies nothing, given the fact that you're able to perfectly slot in your towers and get them down is balanced, adding a 4th player gives the option for so much more flexibility and more farming = Waves such as 25+ become a practical joke, keeping in mind that 1 extra DPS Dealer would make the bosses far easier, and tower specifications are also fair because being flexible in the hardest difficulty does not sound right, bringing Sniper instead of Ranger should not give you a triumph, nor should Pursuit --> Ace Pilot. HC is HC for a reason, you shouldn't be able to juggle around with random loadouts or towers and win. Finally, regarding the Coin-Gem concept is the dumbest thing I have heard on a TDS video, ever, it's more or less a waste of effort, since Pizza Party Grinding can already get you thousands of coins per hour, so there's no reason to do HC for coins, EVER, if u can beat HC u can beat Pizza Party, 99.99% of the time, gems are the only reason ppl play this mode, and it's supposed to take a hell of a lot of time. Altho the ability to buy skins (So long as they're cheap) is dope and a pretty cool concept + The idea of matchmaking lobby lmao

My take: no stomp (stomp is lame) in boss battles you have to fight by yourself (+some) late enemies can kill towers at final wave is a bullet hell before fighting void reaver, keep dodge! you and other players have 3 life

How to fix the problem: Add more elevator

I agree with most on what you said but also I don’t think a difficulty increase is necessary but also whenever I want to play hardcore the only teammates I find are noobs so maybe that’s why hardcore is so difficult for me. Also trying to do hardcore cyber city after shotgunner got nerfed and jester got nerfed I can’t really beat it. Anyone got any cyber city hardcore strats i could use

I agree they should add void skins and make the, like the platinum skins so a fast fire rate also new hard core tower should be hacker

i waited an hour to get crossroads with my friends then I bugged out and can't go in the left elevator and my friends got mad at me