The irony of this being Disney’s 100th celebration year and it being just a disaster is crazy. At least Warner Bros. had Barbie to kind of cover up the issues they’ve had this year for their 100th.
With Warner, it’s more about their PR side such as shelving Batgirl and Coyote vs. Acme and all their DC films flopping. They did do okay on their horror side at least.
Dan, you prophesied this over at Screen Junkies when you said, "You're invincible until you're not." That always resonated with me & rings even truer now regarding Disney. Also, The Boy & The Heron is EXCELLENT. Can't wait for a rewatch!
I don't want to wish any ill will on the hard working people on many of those projects on Disney that tanked, but I hope most of all, Disney looks at this as a proper wakeup call and learn that constant content on absurd budgets needing to make the numbers they do just to break even, forget profitability, and gets back to quality over quantity, as they have said to promise. Time will tell.
Its crazy that Trolls Band together, which had the half the budget of Wish, will likely gross double at the box office (its making more per day, than Wish despite coming out earlier). This seems to be pattern where animation movies from Universal like Minions, Mario, Puss N Boots are mostly doing well , whilst Disney and Pixar are underperforming despite costing more.
It's funny cause at their previous peaks, Dreamworks and Illumination both played second fiddle to Pixar and Disney Animation, respectively, at the box office. But now it seems like Illumination and Dreamworks are unquestioningly #1 and #2 in the animated film medium.
@@musicmashupsdreamworks had their own enormous flop with Ruby. I think overall it’s a very precarious time for animated films. It doesn’t seem to be the studios, but rather original animated films specifically failing spectacularly (outside of Mario, which is clearly still a franchise IP). I will be interested to see how migration does for illumination over Christmas.
The reason for the boxoffice flop is Disney Plus. The highly anticipated movies will be watched in theaters. If lesser rated movies like Marvels are not watched on first three weeks, then people will likely wait another 3 weeks for release at home. A family of 4 will likely wait 45 days to watch it on D+. If D+ is still not profitable now, then Disney have a big problem, it will not get better. They screwed their own blockbuster releases.
@@Arobert1673 yes but DreamWorks is also coming off a massive success with Puss and Boots: The Last Wish, which made more money then any Disney film post-pandemic. So overall they're still doing very well.
I remember you saying back when The Flash dropped big that it’ll be hard if something dropped bigger than Steel. Well good job Disney, you now have the lowest 2nd week drop of any superhero movie. Happy 100th birthday 😅
I feel like The Marvels’s box office should have a major asterisk next to it due to the studio’s complete inability to promote it as an event the way it normally does but holy moly.
@@hiltd0860 I haven't seen the movie but from what I've read about it there was nothing political unless having three female leads, two of them non-white to boot, is political in and of itself in which case you're basically a bigot. Not to mention those two movies came out at the beginning of the strike - you could at least get your timelines correct...except no that would require not being ignorant. Also, both those movies were discovered by more and more people as time went on. MCU movies don't really work like that.
And that $250 million was reported about 9 months before release, so it excludes all their reshoots and last minute edits. Pre-advertising cost is probably closer to $300 million.
I agree. There was an article on Forbes in September, just a couple of months ago, where Disney revealed they had already spent 274 million on The Marvels before the end of September 2022. Luckily they had got a 55 million subsidy from the UK government, so at that point they had a net cost of 274-55=219 million. However, I'm sure that in the end with reshoots, VFXs etc they spent more than 250 million total (without advertising). That's such a disaster
Disney and Marvel are currently falling into the trap mindset of thinking that because their brands are as high level as they are that they think they NEED to go bigger in order to compensate for how people will come back to return the profit. That's a really poor mindset to have. No movie or show should be getting made for $200+ million. You are asking for a loss at that point. As it is their side of the streaming world and Chapek's despise for animation and thinking it doesn't need to be in theaters has also hurt them. A reset is really needed right now and I am hoping that these business minded decisions on entertainment can be turned around.
And all the political posturing, every script been formulaic and safe, relying on old brands to keep making money. At some point they need to make something new or they are actually done what are they gonna do a sequel on next? Mufasa 2? Lol
@@kevindelgado1459 Political posturing? Nothing anyone at Disney has said politically should be controversial...at least for those who aren't bigots and transphobes. Unless I'm missing something.
Disney is doubling down on what made it successful in the late 2010s while most of the other major studios have learned their lesson from their own follies back then. To paraphrase an older Disney movie, when every movie is an event none of them are.
@@kevindelgado1459 the political stuff gets overly played out and raged about by people who have agendas of their own and to me that's just based on people not having a backbone. I will agree that the stories can seem generic and too similar to old school Disney films. The remakes themselves depending on the film are more or less just for the cash grab it seems even though those films are old asf.
@@LinkMarioSamus it isn't really more about that as it is more about certain people out there taking up a grift online to complain about things they know will get them money and views
Also petty from Disney, putting the blame for The Marvels solely on the director when everybody knows that the decisions on Marvel films come from several places/people.
The difference in opening for Captain Marvel and The Marvels I think is the 2nd largest drop in opening between a sequel and its predecessor behind only Suicide Squad and THE Suicide Squad. Would love to see Dan compare the drastic drop-off between Captain Marvel and The Marvels to other drops between sequels
Which in my opinion is a fun comparison since most would say The Suicide Squad is much better than Suicide Squad but the pandemic and The Suicide Squad going day and date to HBO Max clipped it's wings. Where people fall on Captain Marvel vs The Marvels, I'm not sure but I didn't love nor hate Captain Marvel and I'm not alone in saying I didn't go to see The Marvels.
Nope, the drop between Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad is just under $580M while The Marvels has dropped over $900M from Captain Marvel. It would be Alice in Wonderland and Alice 2 with a $750M drop that would be the previous number 1.
The entire movie industry fell flat on it's face this yr. The market considerably shrunk and proved to be far more brutal towards middling movies than any of these studios expected. Studios need to reign in their budgets. Anything above $100m deserves the highest levels of scrutiny moving forward.
This episode made me laugh out loud several times because of dans excellent delivery of the charts and disney sheer stupidity in managing their movie budgets. 31:52 is for some reason a really funny moment, with the cut to the facts ahahhaha. Great to have you back Dan, we missed you!
I find myself inconsolable that the great capitalist juggernaut that is Disney has been brought low by overproduction and exploitation... I am shedding tears... rivers and rivers of tears...
As a Disney shareholder, I want Disney-heads to roll. There needs to be accountability and if the current board of directors isn't capable to fire people, they need to go!
There’s no accountability, only buck passing to the audience. It’s one thing for stubborn activists to lose shareholder value but at this rate they’ll destroy countless jobs across the whole industry as well
The worst part about how Disney is functioning is that since they lose so much money in the studio and streaming, the real winner for Disney (the Parks) has to spend a chunk of their Operating Profit recouping the losses from the Entertainment Segment. Which sucks cause the Parks need some help to stay on top in that Industry especially in Orlando, since Universal is opening a brand new park, and Imagineering can't commit to any major projects.
I recommend you to drop the shares. Not just the failure of the box office, the declining attendance at parks and cruise lines. The forensic audit on Reedy Creek has shown soke massive financial criminal elements.
@@CannonRaw Are you really so stupid that you never ever noticed any of the "shocking revelations" that "forensic audit" revealed? Big deal, Disney did what they said they were doing and they did similar things that hundreds of other special tax districts are doing. That is clearly a reason to get rid of the second ammendment. Right? makes totally sense.....
Seeing disney have such a disastrous year at the box office feels so strange. Less than 5 years ago disney seemed unstoppable even when they put out a string of bad movies (2019 included- aside from avengers endgame and ill give far from home the benefit of the doubt)
If Disney wants to stop losing money they should consider hiring artists to make art again. No more pre fired VFX before the script is even done, no more aggressive studio notes forcing directors to all make movies with the exact same tone as the previous 200 MCU movies, no more agenda driven products created only to emotionally exploit a "non traditional" demographic into liking their movies while having absolutely nothing of value to say or offer to that demographic.
Disney purchased every major property and had no plan on what to do with them. It is like they thought Lucasfilm would run itself by repeating what worked before. It is like they thought Pixar would become the new direct to DVD cash cow the Disney animated sequels were. They even bastardized their own work by making live action reboots of their classics. And Marvel was just going to keep the same core characters, but change the sex or race without any character development. The main thread connecting all these franchises is Disney refusing to create and innovate. They have just thrown money at it and prayed for the best. They have been recycling for the last ten years and it has caught up with them. Lucasfilms' works were always innovating. Pixar consistently told new emotional stories. Disney's live action movies used to be original as well, I am looking at you Enchanted. And most of all, DISNEY WAS THE GOAT OF ANIMATION!!!!! Wish looks amateurish. The parks have suffered too, but that is another story. I hope they get it together. Hire proper writers and directors and leave them to their jobs AND CUT THE BUDGETS DOWN!
Don't forget that James Cameron's company got most of the profit for Avatar 2, Fox were just the distributors, so Disney only got a very small amount of money for that movie and a bunch of good headlines. Whilst James Cameron got and his company got to reap the financial benefits. Add on Disney's losses on Streaming and they have lost BILLIONS.
Bob Iger will pin the blame on Bob Chapek, but Chapek was following Iger's strategy in all this. Plus, where's the blame for film studio head Alan Bergman in all this? Alan Horn passed the torch to him and left in 2021. Instead, Bergman got a promotion to Co-Chairman of Disney Entertainment earlier this year!
We're talking about flop after flop. But I think we need some context. Is this year just a bad year for cinema or is it the big movies? I think a comparision all domestic tickets sold in 2019, 2022 and 2023 would be a good thing for the last charts of the year.
Worst part is that the grifters will be even more annoying. I hope things turn around, they always bounce back after a rut. Just look at the 80's compared to the 90's for them.
The Marvels is definitely a disaster. But I'm still trying to figure out why the industry is treating Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon with kid gloves? I don't buy the whole argument of "Well, they are awards pictures, so they don't care about box office." Because um, no. lol. They definitely care.
Unfortunately I think it's because Apple is a near $3T company that has at least $162bn in cash that lets them get away with blowing close to $500m on those two movies!
@@AllInTheGame01 Oh, for sure. But those divisions are separate. Yes, Apple overall is huge, and they aren't going anywhere, but that doesn't mean they want to see their film division tank. Microsoft and Sony also sell operating systems and headphones, that doesn't mean they are comfortable with their video games or movies failing.
@@AsherGrace7 Their film division is such an infinitesimally small part of the overall company that it's never going to 'tank'. The near $500m they spent on those 2 movies is literally just 0.31% of their $162bn cash reserves!
@@MsEverAfterings these two titles are not all Apple, Napoleon is by Sony for its cinema run and Paramount does Killers. Don't these two studios want some of that marketing costs back? Or did Apple foot the bill for everything? It is unclear here how much Apple spent on these two films.
Welcome back, and congratulations again to you and Mara. Two quick questions: How did the movie-going experience in NZ compare the US? And, as a movie guy, did you see any Lord of the Rings sites?
33:54 I think the damage to Disney could be even worse, depending on if the 547m profit from Spiderman NO Way Home includes Sony's cut,. Not to mention some of the $400m profit on Avatar 2 went to James Cameron's prodction company Lightstorm who made the movie. So it is possible that Disney only recevied a few hundren million $ in profit on those 2 movies,
I'm glad you mentioned this. It is worse I think. It's Sony's movie, not Disney's. I was surprised Dan didn't remember that. I just looked it up and Disney financed 25% of No Way Home, so they got 25% of the profit. The article said it made 610m profit and Dan's calculation was 547m. Either way, 25% is 136m-152m. So those three hits vs this year's failures puts Disney over 200m in the hole. And that's not taking into account if James Cameron's company took more as you said.
Although I was never a huge Marvel fan a couple of years ago I considered all Marvel movies basically a must watch. I never considered them great or even good films most of the time, but they were lighthearted and usually enjoyable. Even if I did not manage to watch them in the theater I would always search them out later on streaming or whatever. But Marvel movies seem to have gotten so meh that I can hardly even bring myself to watch one on streaming anymore much less go to see them in a theater. I think that a bit of it is fatigue, there have been too many superhero movies in the last decade, but I also think that most of it is that the storytelling in Marvel movies has dropped in quality significantly. The movies seem to be much less cohesive and more slapped together then they used to be. The stories do not make much sense, the characters are not very relatable, and even the general concepts of the movies are not very compelling.
Disney is pure Ego at this point. They assume everything with a Marvel stamp will rake in a billion, so sure why not waste all that cash on each movie. Meanwhile, Japan has probably spent more advertising Godzilla, than on the actual movie itself and created something people are raving about.
And to top it all, Disney is about to start shooting a Star Wars REY movie! Lmao it’s like the want to keep losing money. When will they learn? Glad they are losing all this money and will lose even more next year except for Deadpool.
The fact that so many things have underperformed this year is a real worry for the overall health of the industry, especially knowing we’ll most likely have a scarce year in 2024 due to the strikes.
I'm perfectly okay with that. Because the movies that are doing well this year are ones that are clearly innovative. Clearly directors who are not doing paint by the numbers. I am more than willing to see Hollywood fall flat on their face if this becomes a learning experience. We dealt with a drought of movies in 2020 we can do it again if this fixes some of the crap that's going on.
The industry probably needed this...they need to get back to making quality entertainment that brings the audience into the theater. They got to mixed up in politics, inclusivity quotas, got lazy, cut corners, etc. You only have to look at movies like Godzilla Minus One to see what amazing things can be done on a smaller budget and movies like Oppenheimer and Barbie to know a big budget blockbuster is still doable. This is hopefully a wakeup call to Disney, Marvel, DC, and other studios that just relied on name recognition to sell tickets to mediocre movies, the fans weren't having it.
@@mcwyman7928 Oppenheimer certainly doesn't insert modern day political ideology at all no. Barbie was semi political but it wasn't forced because it actually made sense to plot of the movie.
@@HarrisaSportsYou honestly think Oppenheimer, with its anti-war message and discussions about weaponizing technologies that are barely understood and devastating to the planet, that movie has no modern political ideology?
Godzilla minus one had budget of somewhere between 15-30 million (depending on source). How the hell are these Disney movies having 200 million dollar plus budgets? Where is all this money going towards? It’s definitely not showing up in the films.
Some of it probably depends on the number of filming locations. Also, I suspect Japanese actors make substantially less than their American counterparts. That said, Godzilla definitely made the most of its budget.
I just saw a post from Regal that Disney will be releasing Soul, Luca, and Turning Red in theaters next year. They're clearing scrambling trying to figure out how to make some easy money. Streaming has definitely hurt Disney significantly.
I do hope that Disney can actually learn from these failures. If we get 5-10 years down the line and they're back to form then we can look back and celebrate the failure of this year. I just hope they can get back on the tracks because i enjoy good movies a lot more than a bad movie haha!
Hello Dan, greetings from long time fan from India, looking at indian movies regularly featuring in your charts this year I hope you start to watch some good indian movies in future, looking forward to Indian movie reviews.
I think a multi-movie review catchup with more abbreviated thoughts makes the most sense. I love a solid 10 minutes of thoughts but with the volume of movies missed and what's coming out soon, just don't see that being possible and would rather get sound bite thoughts than none at all.
The problem Wish has is that it is competing with Trolls. I work at an 8 screen theatre in Upstate NY. When Wish came out, Trolls was still doing more in admits despite having fewer showtimes than Wish.
I'd rather watch anything else than Wish and The Marvels. Was a big Disney girl, grew up on the classics. I hate modern Disney and the garbage they've been putting out. I was meh about the live action movies but the TLM wrong casting was the last straw. I'm so happy Wish is bombing. It feels like an insult to fans like me. Yeah, I know the spoilers already because I feel very strongly about not watching it even if it's free. Looking forward to Godzilla Minus One, but worried that they won't show it in my country in South East Asia.
NZ is a breathtakingly beautiful place! There's something to be said that there's been just 6 $1bn+ movies in the 3yrs post 2020 as opposed to the 18 we had in the 3yrs pre 2020! A 67% drop in the number of billion-dollar grossing movies is a clear signal to Hollywood that the landscape has changed and that their budgets need to change in accordance! Apple being a near $3T company that has at least $162bn in cash is letting them get away with blowing close to $500m on Killers of The Flower Moon & Napoleon! Saw X was only in Theaters for 7wks & still did $706.5k in its 7th & final wk despite dropping below 1,000 Theaters which means they left a little bit of money on the table, should've stayed in theaters for a full 8-10wks domestically. 49:30; A very good Three Musketeers movie came out this year with a very good cast that includes Eva Green & Vincent Cassel.
To be fair, it's really six billion dollar grossers in TWO years post-2020, as you can't really argue that 2021 was in any way a 'normal' box office year. I also think that 2019 (when there were SEVEN billion dollar movies) has to be considered a freak outlier as opposed to being considered the benchmark for what consitutes 'normal'.
@@andrewbarnett152 Even if you were to be VERY generous & exclude all 9 $1bn+ grossers from 2019 and keep all 6 $1bn+ grossers post 2020 starting with NWH at the end of '21, that's still a 33.3% drop in $1bn+ grossers from '17 & '18 to now. Studios can't keep assigning $200m+ production budgets to almost all their blockbusters especially in an era where the 2nd biggest market in China is no longer a guarantee for Hollywood movies! Literally only Avatar 2 ($246m) has grossed over $200m in China & only 3 Hollywood movies in total have grossed over $100m in China post 2020 which is a shocking drop from pre 2020 numbers.
Yes, Disney gets a percentage. It was in the news a few years back Disney wanted almost all the profits but that didn't go well with Sony, so the big mouse was as usual crying about it like they do now with The Marvels by not reporting box office results.
For me the greatest Disney disaster 2023 was Indiana Jones. This really should have been a shure hit. I guess recognizable IPs, stars and cgi fx aren’t what draws people to the movies. People seem to like to see good movies with good screenplays after all… 🤔
I really enjoyed The Holdovers. They nailed the look and feel of a 1970 movie and it had a lot of heart, charm, and humor without being too sad or sappy. Also if Paul Giamatti and Dominic Sessa don't at least get Academy Award nominations it'll be a highway robbery.
Hi Dan, Spider-Man No Way Home is Sony, no DIsney. I think Disney gets 25% of the Boxoffice under the new deal, but has to pay 25% of production cost so it will be more like 190 million what they get.
I'm wondering if The Suicide Squad should get an asterisk for worst 2nd week drop offs for Marvel & DC mainly because it was released at the same time, if I remember that correctly, on HBO Max, which is where I saw it because I wasn't willing to go to theaters yet with COVID still moving around, and I was exciting to see it opening weekend. Or are you referring to the first Suicide Squad and just accidentally used the imagery from the James Gunn version? Which also wouldn't surprise me.
Really, big picture for Disney feels like the push from the Chapek regime to rush out quantity over quality is the root cause of the problem in my opinion. 🤷
Most, if not all, of the franchises that Disney touch and inists on having "creative control" since 2019-ish are falling flat face-first into a notoriusly negative PR. Like, how the f**k did Secret Invasion with 212mil budget, get two less episodes + worse writing + worse action + worse vfx than The Boys or even just Gen-V?!
Hey Dan, as always thank you so much for all the work and attention to detail you put into your video! and then may I request something? it would be so interesting to do a break down of the costs involved in 'Godzilla Minus One' in comparison to one of the big Marvel movies. how come this low-budget movie look so great while all those super expensive Marvel movies, with the full might of Dinsney behind them, look just cheap? did Toho just not pay his staff? (doubt it), did all the Marvel money get embezzled? I'm really curious.
Would also have to investigate the production timelines. Spending tons of money on a dozen VFX studio because you need a turnaround in six weeks for your 3000 shots needing CGI is different from giving your artists a longer time to finish the product.
And to think a few years ago Disney was viewed as an unstoppable juggernaut. I haven't seen Wish, but they have been having issues with Marvel movies. I still say Quantumania had a better and longer film in there. The Marvels was kind of surprising, I agreed with Bob Chipman's take that it was a solid 'Moneyball' of a Marvel film, with the hightlight being the station evacuation, and its biggest problem being boring villain. Though speaking with other people I know say they didn't see either Wandavision or Ms Marvel so felt lost. I just saw it as that old comic ploy of referencing other storylines in other series. Guess you can't do that with movies and television, though it seems to be getting more common.
Two points: In the 60s, and 70s, was there a single movie failure that represented the 'Death of the Western" that sort of matches the Marvels failure? Reason I'm wondering that is that this seems like genre burnout. And that leads to my other point: For me, the MCU story ended with Endgame. Tony's story was told, and it ended beautifully, if bittersweet. Everything after was just a bit too much 'extra.' To be fair, I'm an older fan, so, maybe I'm not representative of the fanbase. (I have similar feelings regarding Star Wars as well. Maybe Disney needs to spread out the returns a bit more. Too much of a thing might lead to feeling overstuffed.)
There was arguably a similar burnout with "Historical War Epics" in the early 2000's to just a few years ago - films like Gladiator and 300 were huge, but flops like Ben-Hur were just as huge.
@@super256colors2The historical war epics comeback didn't really last very long - certainly not as long or as significantly as westerns or superhero movies "ruled". Fantasy epics (usually book adaptations) was another genre which proved a bit of a damp squib in the mid-2000s, post-Lord of the Rings. Few or none of the attempts to repeat the success of LOTR got anywhere much - Narnia stopped after 3 movies, Eragon flopped, etc. YA dystopian and urban fantasy adaptations were two more.
I used to be a 'Disney Adult' but, mate, I had to let go of all that because they've been coming across as petty, immature, petulant and lacking in genuine care and humility for at least 7 years or so. It's just more obvious now that they're on the back foot.
The budgets are insanse, especially if the products are so medicore, evey loss could have been midigated if the the shot for a 50-90mil budget and considering all the great indie movies that have lower budgets, you can really make good looking movies for cheaper. Godzilla minus one was only 15 mil...WHAT IS DISNEY DOING!
Ok, I live in a small North Norwegian town with a good cinema. The Marvels was there for 12 days and then it was gone. And because of a film festival here it was not shown at all for 2 of those days.
The thing with Inc Hulk, Cap and Thor they were in the Burgeoning phase of the MCU, which we didnt mind back then, for its Time the openings were descent, appropriate was ok. Even the First Antman we found it OK back in 2015, because it was a lesser known character, and it worked , being a movie After the 2nd avengers movie where we needed to take a breath. The Marvels on the other hand takes the hit, because its in a phase where lacklustre movies (apart from Guardians 3, who was really successful) shows came out just before. So yeah. And also as many ppl would say, the movie was not well received
Having watched every episode of charts since the first one back in the screen junkies days it's been a weird couple of weeks. Next time Dan goes away the studio should be forced to declare the box office weeks in advance so he can pre shoot the show.
Every movie studio in Hollywood should look at Rockstar Games on how they've treated the Grand Theft Auto franchise for the last 25 years and James Cameron with the Avatar franchise. Both aren't afraid to postpone a new sequel in the franchise for several years if it means the product will be better. GTA's last game came out a decade ago and has become the highest-grossing entertainment product EVER. It has become part of pop culture and build up a reputation with its audience that is so strong that people are assured it's a new GTA game is an S-Tier product when it gets released James Cameron postponed the release of Avatar 2 multiple times and in doing so the second Avatar movie eventually came out 13 years later because he needed more time to make sure the sequel met his standards as the follow up for his first Avatar movie. By doing that BOTH of his movies in the Avatar franchise have made over two billion dollars at the box office and has made over five billion dollars combined with just two movies. But more importantly the Avatar franchise and James Cameron have build up the reputation that they won't release a subpar Avatar product to its audience
Hey from New Zealand 😊 I'm glad you liked the Roxy! I was literally just saying I love this guy for doing a full months recap and then you called my country beautiful :) I hope you had an amazing time! I visited your country for the first time two months ago and absolutely adored my trip! Congratulations and all the best mate
Congratulations to you and your bride, Dan! I hope you had an amazing honeymoon! May your marriage be blessed as you continue to press forward in life!
I saw that Disney is putting out Soul, Turning Red, and Luca in theaters next year. Interesting strategy to retroactively release those when you'd think most of the interest in those films was spent on Disney +. Who do they think they're pulling in with these or is it seen as any money is good money since they've already been made? Technically they were never released theatrically so maybe a few die hards and enthusiasts will catch them
I guess they think they have nothing to lose especially if a large portion of 2024 calendar will be light due to the strikes. After all, the Return of the Jedi re-release pulled in 7.6 million. I wouldn't expect double-digit opening weekends on those Pixar movies, but maybe there's some event-style marketing they can go for?
I hope we can see a bit more analysis of Trolls Band Together in the coming weeks… you kind of skimmed past it here! I’m a big fan of the series, and I’d like to see some figures on whether its international performance puts it on course for profitability or not… definitely not a blockbuster, but at a $95m budget, has it made enough to continue the series? I hope so! Good to see you back, in any case, Dan!
@@DanMurrellMovies thanks so much for the reply Dan, I figured it was probably a consequence of compacting a month’s worth of charts into one video, haha. I look forward to hearing your breakdown of it in future! 👍
Unfortunately, because Apple is a near $3T company that has at least $162bn in cash, it lets them get away with blowing close to $500m on those two movies!
@@Sprogster you could make the argument that The Marvels will be paid for by Disney+ in the same way that Killers of the Flower Moon is paid for by Apple+ subscribers. We can’t really measure movies post 2020 the way we measured them before the streaming services. The Marvels is basically a streaming movie sequel to streaming shows like Wandavision Ms Marvel and Secret Invasion. But you can’t say The Marvels is a box office disaster without also saying Killers of the Flower Moon is a disaster regardless of intent.
Killers (and to a lesser extent Napoleon) weren't expected to make boffo box office - Apple bought the distribution rights as content for Apple+ streaming down the line, as well as for the prestige of "awards-season favorite" bumps.
Glad to have you back to charts! I've been very curious to hear your thoughts on everything from the past few weeks. And I'm glad the honeymoon was fun!
