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@@silliercrayon9588No move is really exclusive as long as there's another Pokémon that could be perfectly fitted to learn it. Also they literally turned Rillaboom's into a TM so you could also say that the argument's kinda up in the air today
@@PedroMartinez-xx1zpit helps that the formula for effective multiplier was more generous in PMD. Like Stab not very effective is stronger than super effective no stabs One of the reason why Meganium despite having plenty of bad match up in it is one of the strongest Purity Forest runner. The other being its insanely godly stats
@@screwtokaiba Yeah, resistance is 0.7 in MD, so a 0.25 becomes 0.49. With stab, it becomes slightly more powerful than base resistance at 0.735. But I don't need math to figure out Razor Leaf + Bullet Seed with Scope Lens equals a very powerful leaf Dino.
This is such an interesting and cool explanation of how the damage mechanics work in Little Cup. You did an amazing job explaining it in an understandable way.
Funny enough, Aipom only hold Tail Slap in Gen 7 In Gen 9 it had to go back to Fury Swipes, but it now has Tera and most Pokemon are less bulkier so it got banned anyways
Ntm you can now run Technician over Skill Link thanks to Loaded Dice, allowing you to also boost its already crazy Stab Fake Outs as well coverage move in Triple Axel. (Why couldn't Knock Off have just 5 less power...)
As a general rule of thumb when creating math for games like that. low numbers are easy to parse but create goofy situations like that, and if you add a zero or two to every number you make things way less sensitive to threshold effects like that, but you also make numbers much harder to make sense of. That actually makes the formula look less bad, it means at low level you get goofy numbers but that are easy to understand (usually balanced around weak early game attacks to make things easier to control for the devs), but at higher level you get more nuanced numbers that are a bit harder to play with but avoid some silly stuff like that in exchange, makes for a good progression in my opinion!
Good stuff as always Freezai. Some feedback regarding the math and showing it visually: it can be hard to follow at a glance when viewing it for the first time. I recommend color-coding variables so viewers know what numbers are important and actually differ between them.
I dont think there are any relevant rough skin or effect spore users in lc, rocky helmet is never worth it over eviolite, and there are very few stamina, flame body and iron barbs users, it is counter play, but aipom is still too strong for lc
Note: most of this info comes from me reading the ban announcement page. Iron Barbs is not good counterplay. There is exactly 1 user of Iron Barbs in the format, Ferroseed. Aipom destroys it with Fire Punch. Rough Skin is not good counterplay. Rough Skin does 10 damage when Aipom plays straight into it. You have to run an ass pokemon who's only job is to die to Aipom, and even then it only does like half his health. Remember, Aipom is also very fast, after your "counterplay" dies, the entire rest of your team dies too. Defense is not good counterplay. Aipom runs Grass Knot, which will 2HKO Mudbray even after getting the +5 defense. The best counterplay described here is probably Flame Body, which is on pokemon who get 4x weakness to Stealth Rock which is not that much of an ask to get online before switching in your Aipom. None of that is mentioning the fact that Aipom has Uturn, meaning even if these half-counters are actually being run, that doesnt actually mean you even get to use it. In Summary, none of these counters are actual hard counters. You will need two of them at minimum on every single team you build, just to counter 1 pokemon that everyone will be running. Thats like, the textbook definition of a pokemon that needs to be banned.
This makes me happy to hear my beloved ran terror. Aipom/Ambipom was really fun to use in Brilliant Diamond with a moveset consisting of Substitute, Nasty Plot, Shock Wave & Baton Pass, with a Speed increasing nature. Truly the stuff of dreams
Curiously, now that aipom can't use tail slap in gen 9 anymore, I've started to see discussion on unbanning them due to the aforementioned fury swipes downgrade. Idk if that'll materialize, but if it does it'd be good to play the lil hand monke once more!
STAB does round but Pokémon always rounds halves downwards and STAB is usually 1.5× which means it looks like it truncates but if you have Adaptability Tera Double STAB then that's 2.25× so it can round up e.g. 2.25×3 will round up to 7.
gee i sure do hate that one in sixteen chance for all your move damage to get multiplied by 0/95 and just end up doing absolutely nothing. people talk about gen 1 misses a lot but this is so much more likely and annoying.
Before watching my guess is that down in Little Cup where damage calcs are run with level 5's, weaker moves aren't as weak relatively, so Skill Link Aipom loves outspeeding and breaking sashes
your videos are very informative and have a lot of thought and knowledge behind them and they way you present your arguments makes them easily understood. that said I would advise working on your script because you tend to repeat yourself and sometimes you get too long to get to the point for no reason, for example you presented the idea that furry swipes is better than return at 1:00 and didnt get to why until 2:00+ which can make the viewing experience frustrating
my guess for Life Orb would be that it's implemented as *4/3. what happens at 2 damage? If it's a multiplication with 1.3 with rounding, it will be boosted to 3 damage, if it's an integer operation *4/3, it would stay at 2 damage.
RE: Life orb rounding instead of truncating Considering how the damage formula works, Life Orb would be an… underwhelming item if the damage increase were truncated, especially with the HP cost. (Just a stupid example: “My attack does 2 damage, but with Life Orb it does 2.6! Which is… 2 with truncation.” Something like that? Hope it makes sense.
Basically, each hit is calculated separately, so a move like tail slap on aipom is 37.5 bp after STAB, hitting 5 times, which is 187.5, a little stronger than non-STAB V-create. It’s why the base power on multihits is shown as one number and not a range (ie: tail slaps bp is displayed as 25, not 25-125) For reference, STAB return is 153 base power and doesn’t ignore focus sash. Video goes in more depth but that’s the surface reason. (Also aipom is stronger mincinno in both of its relevant base stats (20 higher attack, 10 higher speed) So basically, it would nuke everything unless you had ferroseed, but A: ferroseed has to be healthy; and B: because ferroseed is a relevant meta mon, most good teams will have ways around it. If I had to guess, this is why aipom is banned and also why all my teams get 6-0’d by shell smash Cloyster in gen 8 (I just use the funky guys and not the mons who win games)
Just fyi, multiplying the before or after value with stab, results in the same number. 25 * 5 = 125, 125 * 1.5 = 187,5. The reason multihits are good in little cup is the small + 2 in the damage calcs.
why ban aipom? why not ban only aipoms using tail slap? I don't really pay attention to competitive, but have been watching a bunch of videos lately, so sorry if that's a dumb question
That would be what wecall complex bans and, unless the move itself makes any/almost all pokemon with it overpowered Smogon prefers not to do it for the pandora's box that is banning part of a pokemon. If we ban Aipom from using Tail Slap to let people kerp using him, would people argue the same for other broken mons? Ex: Ban Sneasler from using Close Combat so it can be used in OU; Ban Kyogre from using water type moves so it can be used in regular play
This makes me irrationally angry that the damage equation doesn't round across the board. Truncating isn't that big of a deal at high damage values, but when damage is low, it's an invisible value that could mean the difference between a win and a loss.
I'm 99% certain that regular damage truncates and life orb rounds because Pokemon was created in 1994 and Life Orb wasn't added until the mid 2000s so 2 separate people did 2 separate things. Hell, the guy in 1994 might have been trying to do that tiny bit of extra optimization because we're in early 90s programming where every little bit matters(or, more likely, just cast it to int at the end because whatever, who cares, this is a silly game for 8 year olds)
Its stats are lower. Atk, def, spdef and speed are all lower. It has fewer coverage moves than Aipom. No Fire move means that Ferroseed is tough to break through for example.
Child: "I want pokemon super mystery dungeon!" mom: "we have pokemon mystery dungeon at home" **points to little cup** (for those familiar with multihit moves in the mystery dungeon series)
Pokémon damage calculations are weird, especially at low numbers. As far as I understand it, the flooring effect is an artifact of the programing language used to make gen 1 not being able to handle decimals. The much weirder thing is that they never changed it, and you still get all kinds of jank around non-linear progression and damage rounding thresholds (tm). Life orb is strange for a bunch of other reasons, possibly because it was added in Gen 4, but it’s also not technically 1.3 and it has the whole sheer force thing.
I really recommend looking into good math channels like Numberphile. Math has a lot of cool history and can be applied everywhere. Every new concept is like a new mathematical tool.
