Absolutely disgusting that no members of Queen Catherine's family saw to it that this woman had a burial. I'm appalled by these events that saw her body desecrated.
I wouldn't be surprised,,just how ppl are and what makes them..death is a part of life ,there's nothing bout it that's bad,,it's not the dead u should worry it's the living u should be worry bout,,and wit all these pedophile priest and religion goin on worry bout a dead body it's nothin to be appalled for ,it call life ,,,poor Catherine wonder how many ppl abused her when she was stiff as a board,family would do that ,, 😂..
i am stunned by the lowness of conduct that could be brought to a person after their death, let alone a queen. really heartbreaking. i was always charmed by the story of her life. may she rest In peace and dignity, at last. 🌸
They also did appalling things to the royal bodies, during the french revolution. Today, we might see them as part of history, but folks saw them as enemies in the past.
@@wellesmorgado4797 you’re absolutely correct. atrocious conduct ruled during the start of the french revolution. the corpse of king louis xiv was propped up on the street for days. he brought the country to the verge of bankruptcy when he built versailles and engaged in so many fruitless wars. and the decapitated body of marie antoinette was covered with lye, as many of the other bodies of the french royals were. in fact, none of them are back in there correct vaults at this time, because no one could be correctly identified after the bodies were destroyed with lye. it is just an awful proof of the depths of human activity when it is left unchecked. 💔
You should see what happened to the other members of her french royal family in Saint-Denis during the Revolution (namely eviscerations of the cadavers, destroying of tombs not considered as "representative of the arts", throwing into mass graves where DNA got mixed up and cause identification problems to this very day, jewel-crafting out of the bones, using of the lead of the basilica's very roof as ammunition in the war effort against Prussia...among other things), so technically for a frenchborn monarch she could have gotten worse
There is a moral reason why our dead should be treated respectfully. It's genuinely horrible how this Queen was treated in death and, most likely, in life. Because only she really knows what she suffered. I pray that her soul has finally found peace. I am also grateful that the story of how she was disrespected was told. Because I feel even in life, she didn't deserve any of this. Only shows how morbid and ugly people can be.
This is equivalent to Prince Charles' treatment of HRH DIANA THE PRINCESS of WALES. Charles, Camilla, and the staff pulled a lot of cruel tricks on Diana. Charles needed Diana to be the mother of their children. When the RF thought DIANA's SONS were old enough CHARLES had Diana assassinated. Following Diana's and Dodi's car into the Paris tunnel was most DEFINITELY NOT paparazzi as they only utilise small lightweight scooters so they can be as quick as they can to obtain the best photos possible. The better the photo the bigger the money paid to the paparazzi. The assassins in the Paris tunnel were riding on large black motorcycles. When Diana's and Dodi's car crashed, one of the assassins went over to the car and no one in the car moved. Diana and Dodi were NOT able to use the seatbelts as they were deliberately jammed up. I spent seventeen (17) years of my life researching, studying, reading, and anything I could get my hands on. There is NOT any doubt that Diana and Dodi were assassinated.
@@anneeversley2405 Fancy still believing this bs.... The one story has nothing in common with the other. Are you aware that Diana didn't wear a seat belt....her body guard certainly doing his job...the driver was drunk...couldn't anyone in that car smell the alcohol?
People had dark and closed mind. If they could burn alive thousands of people, then story of Catherine is not surprising at all. At least she was dead and couldn't feel anything
Henry VIII had the chance to correct a wrong to Queen Catherine, but he ignored his Grandfather’s wishes of burring his wife next to him, and so when he wished to be buried along side his 3rd wife, he too has been denied. If he had simply done as what Henry V had wanted maybe he might of gotten what he had wanted. Karma will always visit.
I could be wrong, but I do not believe that QEII was related to the Tudor line. The Tudors and the Stuarts line ended and the crown went to their Hanoverian cousins at some point. That was QVictoria's line from which QEII is related.
Shes related to some of the Tudors because Henry VII’s daughter Margaret, who was Henry VIII’s older sister, married James IV of Scotland, then James V, then Mary Queen of Scots, and the. James VI of Scotland united the crowns and became James I of England. James IV was an ancestor of James I, who was part of the Stuart Line. Henry VII’s daughter Margaret, then was a Tudor when she married James IV of Scotland, who was a Stuart.
As times change so do the people that’s beyond disrespectful not because she was a queen , but because she was a person and I can’t imagine what kind of people get that much pleasure from disrespecting the dead😬😬it’s mind blowing
@@Ga11ifreyan if that were an ancestor of yours would you find it amusing? Maybe someone will disrespect you after death!!!! Patricia Gambino Harrington
Were people so bored back then, and life so eventless, that they tore apart a corpse for amusement? Being idle for too long definitely unlocks the darkness inherent in humanity. Very sad indeed, poor Catherine. I hope she is finally at rest.
Do you realize that they had significantly less to do for entertainment than use today? It was the equivalent of us today trying to get a selfie with the Michael Jackson's corps. Is it ok... nope. Is it human nature... yes.
People would steal pieces of corpses during the crusades and sell them as 'relics of the saints'. People pillaged the tombs of the Egyptian mummies, ground up pieces of those corpses and used them in snake oil tinctures and medicine for hundreds of years. People stole Galileo's fingers and made them into reliquaries. The phenomena of the people in history desecrating corpses for their own personal gain, notoriety, or amusement is, unfortunately, quite common.
Yes. Imagine living in stark darkness from sundown to sunup, with only a candle or lantern to relieve the void of dark. If you could afford a candle or lantern. And food had to be very, very locally sourced since it would be hauled by people and animals. The food would be lacking in variety and flavor even for the rich, as trade routes for spice had not yet been established. Even salt could be hard to come by. Honey would have been the source of sweetness, as sugar would remain elusive as "white gold" until into the 17th century. Healthcare wasn't much of a thing, with regular folk being treated by the local barber to pull rotten teeth or set broken bones. (No anesthetic, of course, only musical instruments set up outside for those waiting to play, in order to cover up the screaming, which was not great for business.) The church actively discouraged education and new ideas. Life sucked and was short, with death and dead bodies being everyone's constant companion. Death was much more public and, if you weren't a medieval 1%-er, it was probably handled at home. Cemeteries were social places, not hallowed grounds.Markets were set up there, sometimes with drinking and gambling, and sex workers advertised their goods there as well. People back then were more familiar and comfortable with death than people today. And they were bored as hell, with few pleasures to be had. Touching the queen's remains would have been the highlight of many people's lives. Not only to see a royal, but to touch or even kiss one? It would have been a (literally) divine experience for many. The fact that she was dead made it no less thrilling. So yeah. Medieval dickheads exploited her for their own gain. But is that so different, in spirit, than it is today? The passing of an iconic queen just recently invited throngs of media frenzy, people interrupting the coffin procession to steal a moment for themselves, and people exploiting her death by using it for content online or in comedy/satire/parody even before the monarch was laid to rest. I'd like to think that most people would not grave rob her, but regardless of the century, some people are major dicks and it only takes one of them to reflect poorly on the entire species. We're doing the same stuff, just in different ways and on a larger scale.
There are many people alive today just as capable of doing that type of thing, the anarchy shown in the US with cities being looted and burnt and this current craze of gangs walking into department stores and stealing and destroying those stores is evidence of that. A lot of very sick minds have incarnated onto this earth in the last 30 years. All it takes is the right conditions and their inherent evil takes over completely.
It is absolutely abhorrent to disgrace a person this way. You would never be able to sale her remains to anyone of decent moral fiber. May the dear lady rest in piece.
It was a shame Henry Vlll was a total arse and such an appalling example of a human being "let alone a king", there can be no doubt as to why he lays in a damp crypt and no memorial was ever completed. Catherine deserved soo much better.
Just despicable how they treated her, she was a Queen, and didn’t deserve that, and to be made a spectacle of, so people could kiss her lips, terrible, I hope now she can Rest In Peace finally.🙄🌹🌹
It's so horrid how some people blame God for their sins. No place in the Bible does it claim that God allows a person's body to lay unburied due to a sin. If that was the case, we'd see thousands of unburied corpses lining the streets and valleys. No that poor woman laid unburied for centuries due to the neglect of her descendants, and the reason she had no clothes on was that a graverobber or robbers stole them. After all that the men of her generation and beyond did to her; she is still known to most woman as a great queen.
@@monza1002000 How do I know there's anything such as you? You could be a figment of my imagination. So, unless you have absolute proof that there is no God, please just keep it to yourself.
@@sandrazollman550 It matters not. Our soul/spirit already knows what it is and awakens unto itself upon passing. Our limiting belief systems while extant on the earth plane are ultimately not relevant.
@@sandrazollman550 You assume that is truth and appear to try to force it on others. Thankfully, I know what it is to have died, even if only for a few moments. Religion is sure messed up and messes people up. Especially the hate they show others when it says to love one another. Spoiler alert: your comment on death isn't even within visual range of being on target.
There is a strong theory, often overlooked, that Katherine’s second son Edmund (allegedly to Owen Tudor) may in fact have been Edmund Beaufort’s child. After the death of Henry V, Katherine and Edmund had wanted to marry but were prevented from doing so by the council acting for her son Henry VI. It is possible that her third son Jasper was also Edmund’s child. Both Edmund and Jasper were born in considerable secrecy. After the collapse of her relationship with Edmund Beaufort, his marriage and her subsequent relationship with Owen Tudor she went on to have three more children, of whom little is known. It’s possible that her unconventional private life after the death of the hero Henry V coloured attitudes towards her, particularly those of her grandson Henry VII and Henry VIII, hence the disgraceful treatment of her body in the years following her death.
Yeah, Henry can rot in his broken open casket. His treatment of wives is but a small part of his narcissistic behavior. Henry VIII is the greatest vandal in English history. Like his wives, he desecrated and destroyed 1000 years of cultural history in the biggest temper tantrum born of sexual inadequacy since the ancient world.
It is an outrage to think a monarch of England be treated in such a manor. It is an absolute disgrace how her body was violated in such a way that pieces went missing. Holy Shit, People should be ashamed of themselves. Where is the respect this woman had during her life. It is a sin to do this to another human being of such stature in the times when people would not have dreamt of doing such a thing. At least times have improved some what since those days, although sometimes i wonder. An absolute disgrace she should have gotten her wish to be buried next to her husband as requested. What parts of her still remain that is. What a sin.
Like all the others I am horrified at how this Queen was treated. Ignored by so many people. All I can say is her beautiful spirit went to be with God and was honoured by him, the body is nothing really but what was done with her remains is beyond comprehension.
OH MY GOSH, I am truly mortified that people would do this. I am so grateful that she has finally be given the proper respect and grace of peace. I truly hope this NEVER happens again, to ANYONE
Actually, much more shocking, because although Richard's corpse was badly treated after the battle of Bosworth, he was soon given a decent, though simple, burial by Henry Vll. One can only wonder at the false story that his remains were thrown into the River Soar at the dissolution of the monasteries! There is actually an 18C reference to the site of his tomb being known to be in a garden...
Richard II was almost certainly responsible for the deaths of the two princes (the heirs to the throne), and other innocents that stood in his way to the throne. He was basically a villain at the time, and should not have become king in the first place. As for what happened to him, maybe it was karmic?
@@hmth86 The fact that you did not bother to check your text, (Richard ll) somewhat undermines your scholarly credibility! And repeating the essentially Shakespearean myths about Rlll is no longer appropriate. Certainly the Princes in the Tower disappeared, which is one of the great mysteries of English history, but the rest of your assertions are proven nonsense.
What a coincidence. I thoroughly enjoy the stories on this site so I listened to the run up as to who this queen was........only to find, that for the last four nights, I have been reading her life story! Now, did I turn off so as not to spoil the book or listen? I listened because at my elderly age, lol, I am bound to forget all that I heard by the time I get to her funeral. I am up to the part of the eve of her wedding to Henry V so nothing is spoiled. Thank you for uploading these mini-stories and I enjoy the cadence of your voice.
@@dolliedeishl5250 Hi. It is called Red Roses by Amy Licence. I buy any book with details of Katherine Swynford who is my favourite character in history (even named my daughter Katherine). I had read Anna Seton's book back in the 1960's and fell "in love" with her story. Red Roses is a great book because it deals with many Tudor women of note, including Katherine of Valois and many of whom I am very familiar with. Another coincidence is, when I was a schoolgirl, our senior school was divided into 4 houses, like teams, and we all competed against each other. My house was De Valois! Happy Reading!!
@@lynnedean713 hello, Katherine Swynford is my favorite also. Anya Seton’s story of her life is one of the most romantic love stories and it is such excellent historical novel. it sparked my interest in English medieval haistory. My next favorite lhistorical love story is “We speak No Treason” about the events in Richard III”s life. and a young girl who fell in love with him and loved him all her life and at the end lovingly tended his grave. The book was written long before Richard’s burial place was discovered in a parking lot. The amazing part is the description of the garden grave, and indeed the researchers dscovered that the graveaite had been a garden on private property that later had been developed and paved over, and the parking space had been marked with an “R”. I cannot recall the name of the author and the story is covered in 2 books.. King Richard III is portrayed as a noble and honorable person and worthy of her love, but she was a commoner and he couldn’t marry her., but they had a daughter, named Katherine! and he provided for her.
@@prarieborn6458 How nice to hear from you and thank you for that recommendation. I looked it up immediately and it was written by Rosemary Hawley Jarman back in 1971. However, in 2006 the publishers re-printed it in 2 books - maybe a ploy to garner more money from us? It is on my list to purchase. I have a Kindle since my brother convinced me it would be better than a book. I rarely use it as I much prefer a book to hold! My only dismay in life is knowing, at 73, I have more books to read than I have years left! I remember when that lady found his grave in the car park, we had a documentary about it. In fact, the film came out in England last Friday - The Lost King. After it was determined that it was indeed Richard 111, his bones were re-buried/entombed in Leicester Cathedral and the public were given 3 days to file past his coffin. I only found out on the last day otherwise I would have raced up there to view too. The feeling these days amongst academics is that they do not think he was responsible for ordering the death of the Two Princes in the Tower. No one will ever know for sure. But I hope he didn't. Lovely username so I take it you are either from Canada or USA? Thank you again.
@@lynnedean713 Dear Lynne, Oh, I was so haopy to receive your reply today.! You just lifted my spirits.and, I am delighted to see that you are a “Brit” as we say, I know it is proper to refer to England now as the UK, but I gather you are English? .Thank you for the compliment on my priarieborn screen name. Nobody has ever noticed it before. Yes, I am an American, born on the North Dakota prarie , well not right ON the prarie, I was born in a city of Minot, about 100 miles from the geographic center of the N. American continent.My great grandparents immigrated from Norway, homesteaded on the North Dakota prairie and built a little house-on-the-prarie out of sod and raised 11 children. They built a proper house eventually and the farm is still in the family o of my Mother’s kin.My father’s ancestors were “Scotch-Irish, English and Welsh” I have always lived more or less close to the Canadian border, and have visited Vctoria BC. a little bit of England, more English than the English as they say. I am an Anglophile since I can remember. I love all things English and especially English and medieval history.and have read voraciously everything I could find on the subject. Ah, the War of the Roses!! So many books, so little time.I am 78,.Are you going to go see “The Lost King” soon, I hope? I checked the Richard III Society website today for news of a release to cable tv or pay to watch on line.- nothing yet.. There is a massive amount of information there. I did find that the movie is about Phillipa Langley’s search for Richard III grave.I know there are essays and lectures there on every aspect of his life and death.and videos of his re- burial ceremonies. because I did a deep dive into the site when I got my Kindle in 2012.Thank you for the tip on the Red, Red Roses book, i will get it. today i also dug out a wonderful book, a real paperback book “The Sunne in Splendor” by Sharon Kay Penman. almost 1k pages about our Yorkist King Rchard III. a meticulously written and historically accurate novel. from 1990. Yikes. so long ago. I do prefer Kindle reading because the screen is back lit and I can read in bed at night, at my age. Well,anyway Icould write on and on, I have so much to share and I would like to communicate with you in a more private way. If you want, please send me an email at tree.haven@comcast.net. and I will answer back. I feel I have found a kindred spirit in you, close to my age, and you are English in England. wow. My name is Mary, and I hope to hear from you again. from NW WA state, 🇺🇸 🌲🌲🌲🌲🌹🌹🌹🌹
I cant even imagine, to take a bone or to "damage" the body of a person.. What kind of people do such a thing. I am glad that she is laid safe now, but the state of her remains.. :/
"Desecration" of remains may shock our sensibilities. But when you consider the desecration of _living_ human beings that happens constantly in this world (war, murder, rape, starvation etc), it's harder to get worked up about dead tissue & bones.
@@burntbacon7995 through only my fathers side, my mothers side is where all my massive number of Kings Queens and Earls, Barons, Princess and Princes, Emperors also come from My mothers side ancestry:)
Of course, I am no one of importance, but this is one of the reasons why I hope that my family will use natural organic reduction (an euphemism for composting of a human body) to dispose of my remains following my death, thus leaving nothing to disinter years, decades, or centuries later. I hope my remains will fertilize a tree and other plant life, which in turn can provide shelter and nourishment for animals, but that there will be nothing discernibly human left.
Genesis 3:19 reads, “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” Genesis 18:27 records this statement from Abraham: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes.” Similarly, Job lamented, “He throws me into the mud, and I am reduced to dust and ashes” (Job 30:19). In Ecclesiastes 3:20, Solomon declared, “All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.”
I just watched something saying that they found Henry the 8th with Jane Seymour in a vault and they opened it up so you could still see red hair on his head
Talk about having no respect for the dead! What is wrong with some people??? I hope n pray, she is (Unlike her body) Now and forever, resting in peace.
This is enough to shock ?in this a dead body is desecrated .wait until u learn how cartels in mexico are dealing with people it will shock the soul out of you
Hearing how her coffins were lined with lead, I don’t entirely understand why they would rot away? The wood surround coffin yes, but surely not the lead. Such disrespect to a Royal Queen is appalling….she was surely entitled to dignified,respectful funeral once and for all. Hearing how even her grandson didn’t speed up and ensure a correct permanent tomb for her is eyebrow raising! None of her relatives seem to have cared one jot! And I wonder what was said, or even if they knew about the corpse kissing and relic taking that followed ! If ever a Queen was going to haunt …it must be this poor Queen, so scorned and abandoned by those she thought were going to be respectful m responsible .descendants. 🙏
Either the line was breeched/damaged, or if was never properly resealed. The slightest bit of moisture will ravage a mummy. That's the purpose of the lead liner.
It's plain that Henry VII had no intention at all of delivering any kind of insult to Katherine and there is no reason why he should distance himself from her.
Interesting how desecration of one corpse, ie royal Egyptian mummies, can be a party theme, another can be considered archeology, and others a societal taboo
Yes, the mummies are there in the museums for everyone to view, but it's not known if the scientists kissed the mummies or stole their bones, and the queen was there robbed of any dignity, part if her scull missing...
Seriously? You’re blaming this person for something that happened over six hundred years ago? Um, I think the mistreatment of Catherine’s corpse is out of this dude’s hands.
@@iloveapples5044 how the heck did this dude allow it, they weren't alive 500 years ago 💀💀 🖐️ what do you expect them to do? Go grab her body and bury it?
Nelson's pink marble coffin was taken by Henry xviii from Cardinal Wolsey. Henry xviii wanted to be buried in it himself but never quite got around to having it worked upon. Neither did any of his children.
It’s bad enough one person would kiss a rotting corpse (and write about it), but many others? It’s disgusting. Also, anyone who would desecrate a body like that deserves to be haunted for the rest of their lives.
I too, feel a degree of hope for the poor thing after you read the unsensational, respectful and sympathetic words from one of the few attendees present at her final burial in the 19th Century. It seemed the least anyone could do for any other human, royal or otherwise. The phrase "Requiescat in Pace" is Latin for "let him/her rest in peace" so rather symmetrically has the same RIP initials in both languages. All of that I am certain you knew....less surely was the rendering of it. I don't mean to footle over small details, but since your program carries with it at least the sniff of the suggestion that anything that we can do to make her eternal repose as sure as possible, I do feel it is important to discuss them - after all, it was the neglect of them 600 years ago which caused her Earthly remains to be the subject of every low and horrible abuse for the first 4 centuries subsequent.... Linguists will, inevitably, disagree on how an actual Roman would have spoken those solemn words but no need to fret over that since the Church has used Latin continuously for 2000 years and certain agreed conventions exist which, while different from how Classical or Vulgate Latin would have sounded, do provide a lingua franca which people across the world can at least recognise, if not, clearly be experts or even conversant. It's said like this "Rek-wee-Ess-cat in pAr-chay" although don't sound the "y" - perhaps more like how starting to say "chase" or "chain" but stopping at the "a" either way. Also given the nature of the channel, it seems highly likely you will encounter the phrase often and now you can use it with absolute confidence!🙂
What is it with desecrating a woman’s body that is so fascinating? I think of Catherine parr’s body and the similarity of stories. Maybe par for the course how we are treated in life. Even queens in death can’t escape this lack of respect and strange fetishization of a woman’s body.
What a horrible, disrespectful treatment for any poor soul , let alone a queen. Some of those hideous persons could have been ancestors of mine. I surely hope not!!
You would think Henry the 8th would of buried her properly as he was Tudor. I'm surprised he didn't as he thought God's will he didn't have sons while blaming and cutting of heads ,he might have thought I'm being punished for not giving his gran due respect in death and his Tudor connection to the crown was being denied to carry on down the line.
What’s interesting is how someone no longer in their body can be disgraced hundreds of years later.. meanwhile it’s an honor for mummies on display? Meanwhile these people have no attachment to their remains at all.. so weird.
