The Mild Disappointment of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 

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Eh, I was expecting better but it wasn’t really bad just a bit messy

Raimi ruined the film. His touches were all the things I found painfully corny. Like Wanda’s cooky spooky-ness. The kids running behind the staircase rails and screaming “mom ,no!” Like it was a bad lifetime movie. Ugh. Just no

I absolutely loved it

@@cocogomez1987 I wish we saw Derrickson's full version.

It will make morbillion dollars in the box office

Okay we just stealing this from every comment section about this movie

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Dayum this comment is becoming like Marvel Movies' 3rd Act

Ok this joke is starting to run its course

Lol one of the downside of filming it as a horror film. So many dumb horror cliché here.

Yeah, that was a dumb moment

@@devaraft I liked it

I love how she unlocked her power and killed her mothers because of a fucking bee. 😂💀

@@lampshady5790 corniest shit ever. Her actress was terrible too 😂

I didn't like the movie either. But not because of this Strange is the biggest threat in the universe because of the kinds of problems he can bring with him. Scarlett Witch for example, is almost infinitely strong. There's no limit to her power. And if Strange still manages to beat her, it means there's no lengths to what Strange can do, and that causes problems when Strange from other Universes collide

tbf it makes perfect sense. illuminati did not know about the scarlet witch, which is told by captain marvel ('we can handle your little witch ' - so they don't know who she is or have misinterpreted her abilities badly) and the problem that they see in strange is also well portrayed in the final battle - danger from Wanda derives from her power, and the threat from Strange derives from his mind combined with his flaws. Wanda even buffed by the Darkhold was limited to some basic stuff, such as dreamwalking, where Stange in spite of being weaker than Scarlet Witch managed to win by using some shady tactics and unobvious combinations of spells.

Throughout the movie Strange has been weaker than usual and didn't even progressed with his power, like even after using the darkhold and controlling the souls of the damned

I respect your opinions but I just couldn't enjoy the movie because of that reason. It's the same feeling as playing an RPG and upgrading your character with all your skill points just to beat a boss that's been bullying you for the majority of your playtime, and even after doing all of that you still got thrashed by the boss

Oh, the movie hints at it again... in the post-credit scene... 🤦🏾‍♂

I think WandaVision did this as well. They try to justify her actions as if she didn't trap an entire town in her fantasy land, even after they clearly stated they didn't want to be in it (she didn't know somehow), kill dozens of wizards, and try to take a girl's life so she could see her children that aren't even real.

Personally, I though Scarlet Witch was the most boring of the Avengers. It annoyed me how she keeps getting focus over other Avengers. As a villain, she still completely boring because she is an evil Mary Sue.

@@a.dennis4835 The hell are you even on about ? What did you just think she wasn't capable of doing anything she could or that she doesn't have this much focus as character in the comics as well ?

@@dimensionzone8048 What I was trying to say was two fold. First off, I don't think she is an interesting character. She worked fine as lackey for Ultron in "Age of Ultron". However, she doesn't have much of personality and is mostly defined by her relationship by Vision. No, I did not see Wandavision. Maybe, they made her more interesting there but I am only Secondly, I thought she came off an evil Mary Sue in "Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness" because she just randomly gains enough power to fight off not only the Sorcerer Supreme Wong and Doctor Strange but an entire army of wizards alongside the two. This combined with my preexisting disinterest in the character made her a really boring villain in my opinion.

@@a.dennis4835 she didn’t randomly gain her powers, that’s all explained in wandavision it’d make a little more sense to u if you watch it but that’s ofc ur personal call

Lmao I didn’t even think about that

Agreed, but Richards is also a massive dick. Krasinkski didn't really show that at all, IMO. He was almost fatherly.

I honestly don't think we've seen enough of him to really judge his portrayal of the character. That said, his straight forward and kind of dull manner of speaking is completely accurate.

Krasiniski also definitely filmed all of this in a green screen box with no one to work off of. Elizabeth Olson hasn’t even met him haha.

@@YuKheThai I think this is a Reed who is a veteran, he’s kinda tired, and he has the accolades and knowledge and lost some of the passion, he doesn’t have anything to prove, so he speaks just to get a point across, that’s how I took it

Exactly. Like we just saw her do the grief stricken rage thing in 6 hours of WandaVision. Now it's just a less creative version of that with her kids instead of her husband? (She was basically Jean grey in X-Men 3) And where was her husband? Why wasn't he looking for her? Why wasn't she looking for him in the multiverse? What happened to this great love they had? It feels like a cheat, if you're going to make this a WandaVision movie, to not acknowledge vision.

I see this exactly from your pov, I was even thinking it would have been way cooler if she was so powerful that she was the only one UNAFFECTED by the dark hold’s influence, and just used it to teach herself actual witchcraft.

I think WandaVision's end credit scene was fine. At least I took it to mean that Wanda was learning about the Scarlet Witch and what she can do. She was trying to find herself as her own entity, as opposed to before when she defined herself by the people she was around: Vision, her brother, her kids etc. I thought it was foreshadowing her becoming more confident and in tune with her powers but not that she was becoming corrupted or evil. It was MoM that did a 180. She should have come out of isolation with a clear mind and refined powers. Plus, even if Scarlet Witch is a villain she should have more nuance to her than just being an obsessed psychopath.

@@annas4277 absolutely, the movie would have been 100 times better if it was Strange and Wanda fighting a Wanda variant who didn’t go through the wandavision arc we saw, and it’s more about our Wanda confronting her past and teaching this variant that it isn’t the way. Would have made her a 10x stronger character.

Simple, Wanda Vision wasn't supposed to make you feel like Wanda was back on track and finally free from her griefs but to FINALLY introduce the Scarlet Witch and The Darkhold.

We're told that he can't warp rust to get there. That's why Wong and Wanda have to climb the mountain on foot.

@@cymond So take the part where we're told you can't warp there out of the script.

@@SuprousOxide Yeah, so much dumb writing in this movie.

@@SuprousOxide Arbitrarily limiting warp actions is some straight up Star Trek logic.

Not just that, but being told the Darkhold was a copy of the mountains' inscriptions made me wonder: are there copies of the Vishanti book? But then that would require even more exposition, and this movie was already drowning in that. Between this mountain and Eternity in Love & Thunder makes me wonder if any of this was ever communicated between film crews... FEIGE??? Any other mystery box realms you wanna pull out your Abrams-hole? In The Dark World, having Loki know the location of a secret rainbow bridge to help him escape Asgard made total sense because that fully lines up with Loki as a deceptive character. Wong knowing about the mountain doesn't really inform anything about his character, but instead about his Supreme position (oh, and thanks for blurting that tidbit out only after your whole cadre gets Wandized), and nothing ever informs of any character regarding Eternity, it's just... there. And now this movie has me defending Thor 2....

Aye... The I didn't reach the emotional conclusion of strange as well. And some scenes didn't even needed fight sequence. The strange and evil strange scene could had been a deep philosophical scene that's what I wished because the that scene felt much more heavy than the others and could had used actual dailouge than fight

something I'm kind of scared about is if they start taking the WandaVision route--and by that I mean the route where Wanda is shown to do all these horrible things and it's blatantly obvious to the audience that she's turning to the dark side and then suddenly at the end, Marvel starts trying to "redeem" her by having characters say and/or act that she wasn't "that bad". Like the dumb scene where Monica says "they'll never know what you sacrificed for them", as if Marvel decided to back out with the idea of making Wanda a villain. I get Wanda's reasons for why she did the things she did, but they should never be used as excuses or to justify everything she did, and the latter seemed to be what Marvel was trying to do by the end of the WandaVision series. Sure, Strange didn't say or really do anything like Monica did by the end of the movie, but the ending was definitely way too happy-ish, like they didn't just lose a lot of fellow sorcerers and students who died a terrible death. I'm gonna be pissed if Marvel's gonna chicken out again for making Wanda a villain after everything she did, and while I'm not opposed to a redemption arc, hopefully they would take time to actually develop the arc and not speedrun it like hell.

@@bored_potato but in the end she did save a lot of universes by destroying the evil Book cuz she understood the Effect it could have on wielders of it. I mean sure she killed a lot of wizards and a lot of Heroes but whats that compared to the countless whole universes saved by the evil Book No longer existing. In a way its like how Tony Stark used to sell weapons without Care and how that Led to the weapons coming into the hands of terrorists and used to kill People with, and for stark to realise his wrongs and later down save the universe, or the whole bucky barns story. I agree that wandavision were far too easy on her, but in the movie she was atleast driven to the dark Side by the Book instead of just her own trauma and problems like in the show. She held a whole town in a hell like state just so she could live her Little fairy tail life and the whole narrative putting the blame on Agatha and the military bloke who yes deserved what they had coming for them but completely letting Wanda get away Scott free. Maybe in a way you could say that what happened in this movie and what she turned into was a sort of punishment for what she did in westview. Narratively the movie Kinda made Sense but the execution didnt really do it justice as it was too rushed. Apperently the movie had a raimi-cut which was like 30 mins longer but it had to be cut down to 2 hours. Im not sure if the 30 mins wouldve made the movie make more Sense but maybe they wouldve given Wanda a Little more retribution somehow.

​@@sebastiandonosopinilla6568 nah I'm not accepting the theory of the Darkhold was the thing responsible for her descent into madness. Another terrible sin of this entire movie is that they broke one of the most core rules in storytelling which is "show, not tell". For the movie to justify her quick escalation to her "evilness" as the Darkhold controlling her or whatever, that'd only be a very convenient device that also conveniently happened off-screen. Though if that was really the writers' plan all along, then they did a terrible job of executing it. Also I disagree with the theory of Wanda saving "more lives" by destroying the Darkhold since that does not--and will never, make up for the other horrible things she's done. You can't massacre sorcerers and heroes or enslave innocent people's minds and then get redeemed for apparently "saving" other universes by destroying evil books. That's not how you "redeem" a character. And I doubt that would really matter in the grand scale of things considering there are far more evil artifacts out there in the multiverse apart from the Darkhold. All I want is for Marvel to actually figure out Wanda's story and which direction they really want to take. Again, I'm okay with a redemption arc, but they ought to properly do it and not go back-and-forth with her character (though with the way things are going in Marvel in phase four, I doubt she's really going to get a proper development). Other than Wanda, there are other characters in this movie who were also acting out of character but that's a topic for another day.

i think this is the first MCU movie i genuinely hated lol

I still love when the souls of the damned jump out of Strange's eye while Christine is looking into it. So cool creative and freaky.

My fave transition was Wong fading in out of nowhere

@@IAmGenerationPotter lol yeah wtf was that.

Lol yeah, so many classic Raimi shots in this movie...not even mad

@@Gambit2483 same, the fact that it was cheesy and campy made this film really enjoyable for me.

Most of these replies are not concerned about writing all they are just oh it's Marvel so its cool.

I found it pretty cringe glad you brought it up

That was the most convenient plot device I’ve ever seen. It would’ve meant so much more if America felt like she could open up to him about her past once they were bonded enough.

Also it was like in a middle of a street for everyone to see like what 💀

@@booktales1687 Yeah, but when in the movie would you have put that? Given the rest of the movie which was incredibly focused on worldbuilding (too much so imho), such a quick, convenient trick to catch us up on the backstory was actually kinda smart. Though in general, it's a pretty good idea to show us the memory instead of telling us about it, but maybe it would have been better with a bit more drama and intimacy

There must be a Wonder Man in every other universe.

@@JoshValdez1996 What does he have to do with her children?

don't ask questions- just enjoy movie🤣

@@craigime You sound like my sister. “You ask too many questions”

@@grimshock6983 lol you ask good questions, but disney doesn't want you asking them... they just want us to eat it up

Facts. Hopefully, that’s part 3.

Exactly! Strange got sidelined in his own movie by literally everyone. Wanda gets all of the emotional drive of the story and America is the only one to ever effectively fight her. Strange just gets pushed around to different places and never really feel in control or like "The most powerful sorcerer ever". He doesn't drive any of the plot points in the movie at all and doesn't change as a character by the end of it. Hell he didn't even get to sort out his romance side quest.

Treating Mordo like a carbon copy foil in one scene after we're told he was Strange's off-screen archnemesis (only the post-credit scene in Strange 1 alluded to that possibility) made me sad for a the waste of a good Ejiofor.

Agree 100%. I truly believe that's the type of plot we would have gotten if this movie came out before Phase 4. But because Marvel is throwing everything at the wall with universes, time travel, etc. now the movies are becoming convoluted and unfocused.

I honestly didn’t give a shit about mordo in the first movie and was kind of bothered he was brought back thinking he’d be the main antagonist.

I’m a little surprised the building wasn’t outfitted with magical disruption weaponry. If the Illuminati were that worried about Strange’s powers, it seems like a logical safety precaution

Oh no not stupid, just lazy writing.

This is the vibe I got too. 838 Wanda didn’t go through everything ours did. As a result she’s far less powerful and confident in her abilities. The Illuminati assumed 616 Wanda would be the same power scaling. A huge part of Mr fantastics character is he is like strange. He’s arrogant and thinks he knows all.

The whole Illuminati did have an “blinding arrogance” vibe to them. The way Rambeau was like “We can handle your little witch.” It reminded me of the Jedi council in the way that they just don’t listen when a legit threat is on the way

@@NTWoo95 or just lazy writing do to reed would never act this stupid

Obviously because she wasn't concerned about finding Vision instead she became obsessed with her kids when they called out to her

good and bad it would have made it Wanda's movie

@@mikebarber12 oh you mean her imaginary kids

@@captainpalsy2092 nooo her kids are real! Kind of...

@@lulu_TheWitchBoy 🤣🤣🤣

Lmao this is exactly why i hated the movie, i want to smoke whatever the director was smoking cause that shit must have been good.

Marvel is really going down the shitter....it all started with Endgame and went down hill in a hurry

Its especially confusing if you have never seen these characters before. They just kind of appear, are treated with reverence and they die off like in 5 seconds

Seriously! Like Professor X being outclassed in a mind battle?? Yeah... good fucking luck. Honestly they should've casted James McAvoy as Pro. X too. Patrick Stewart looked really tired in the role, like he just doesn't have the energy to play the screen presence for that character anymore. Amazing actor but he should have gone out on a high note in Logan for this character at least.

literally had a chance to really transition mutants in the mcu but wasted a professor x cameo 🤦🏾‍♀️

True

Agreed

Its wasn't his fault, it was the script's fault

The fact that people let their hopes get in the way of a movie really annoys me

Actually we saw 3 but I agree more would've been great. That said, I wasn't disappointed because I had no expectations.

@@freddiesimmons1394 well it's called multiverse of madness we didn't really see much multiverse just madness

@@Jacob-zm1cu imagine being an adult and letting a title dictate your opinion. "Everything everywhere all at once" was only about some things, some places, and some times. What a ripoff.

@@freddiesimmons1394 Dude it's an MCU movie about the multiverse that advertises itself as "madness." I take that to mean we're going to encounter some trippy, mind-bending stuff. But no, the only other universes we go to are rather tame and the only "madness" comes in the sense of Wanda's villainy. Everything, Everywhere, All at Once is actually about a character that is exactly as the title describes, and it ties into the emotional and thematic throughline of the film. That movie uses its multiverse not only to facilitate fun action scenes and wacky imagery, but to explore its characters and themes.

Agreed, this could’ve been a really effective Han Solo/Kylo Ren scene.

The Secrets of Dumbledore scene could have happened here

I don't disagree, but I do somewhat have to temper my expectations just because of how old Patrick Stewart is now. Could be possible that the scheduling just didn't work with him.

Professor X mind can jump bodies.

Ppl will argue shes being controlled with the darkhold book, but like it didnt really show that courrupt her. They had an opportunity to show us what it was like through strange when he used it. But they didnt. It missed the mark. And it merked wanda imo. she coulda been the best mcu villain it just was executed poorly :(

Bingo.

That movie also blows lols

I watched Everything Everywhere the night before I watched Multiverse of Madness and it really made that point stand out to me.

Yep Marvel's imagination of the multiverse was basically switching the green and red stop lights lol. They're creatively bankrupt at this point.

All of the character growth and change was thrown out in WandaVision when they ham fistedly inserted an unnecessary villain (Agatha) and never engaged with the true villain - Wanda.

“khaleesi’d” her is such a good way to put it. Since Wanda will definitely be back hopefully her arc will be better.

I dont get how this is hard for ppl to accept?? Fid nobody see wanda reading the darkhold for 10 secs at the end of wandavision?? What did yall expect, for that to make her turn good?😭

@@krim7 CM already pointed out that Disney has shot themselves in the foot with the Disney + shows. Movies are way more accessible than TV shows as they're much less of a time commitment. I have two friends actually willing to watch MCU movies with me. One of them only agreed to MoM cuz it has Patrick Stewart, the other tagged along cuz the 1st friend agreed. Neither of them had seen a second of WandaVision, nor cared to. Most of the viewing audience is going to be like that. It only seems like most of the audience is MCU fans cuz they're the ones posting in social media. The truth is most of those box office dollars are from casual movie goers just looking to be entertained.

@@nahor88 Wanda turning evil makes NO SENSE if you just watch DS2 and it already makes little sense if you did watch WandaVision!

You could really tell, he wasnt in any kind of actually muscular shape for this role, he obviously hadn't been working out for any specific role for probably several months before this. I know he's not a big fitness person by nature, so when he got in fairly good shape for the Jack Ryan show, people were quite impressed, but in this he'd really reverted back to his soft/skinny man look that he had in the office, even WITH the superhero suit trying to help him out. Just did not turn up in shape for it.

@@thareelhelloagain i mean its not really that big of a problem considering its mr fantastic and not captain america

@@Bennieboy918 Yes, all I'm saying is that in modern movies, every single superhero is in good shape, and when they aren't, it's quite noticeable.

@@thareelhelloagain Thor in Endgame: Am I joke to you?

@@ruckusroke Like I said, quite noticeable (also Thor in Endgame was much closer to an actual Strongman's body than regular Thor, lol).

Like anakin in episode 2 to anakin in episode 3

Not really I mean we all knew she was going to turn crazy she’s got a literal witchbook

Was not a fan America in it.

Maybe I'm biased, seeing I dislike WV, but I thought Wanda was or supposed to be a foot into 2 steps of being villain. But instead, they just kept her tiptoeing around it, with characters like Agatha and Monica. When the show ended, all I could think is "Boy, Wanda better be the villain of MoM cause this sucks". Glad I got that.

They could’ve fixed this by making a Scarlet Witch movie after WandaVision but before Dr. Strange, she has to use the Darkhold to defeat some big villain and slowly learns she likes all the crazy powers from it and then she learns she can be with her kids with its power

If im honest I think this movie might have been alot cooler with Scarlett Witch as the main character. Start the plot when she learns about America and play it out from her point of view. I think the whole movie becomes more believable and you get tension between the two people who have the most stakes in the movie (Scarlett Witch and America)

Do you feel like MoM tarnished her character?

Agreed. Like how they kept saying oh to save 1 girl, but tbh they wouldn't really care about a random girl they just met like how they don't really care how all the normal people live in a battlefield.

@@InnerMedium but how did she even learn about America?

@@via45 wait what ?

Disneyfilm should've just yeeted the Darkhold into Mordo's hands, then he'd have much more to do than be a carbon copy foil in only one scene. His singular need to destroy the wizards would've been countered by Strange's coping of not being the Sorcerer Supreme. Hey Disneyfilm, I thought you liked parallels?

they SHOWED us she was corrupted while studying the darkhold in isolation at the end of Wandavision....they didn't need to tell us much more about that we already knew what happened with one scene that showed us without words

@@kylehoschar5309 still america Chavez's character fell flat. Nothing about her was interesting. Her home land no one knows what her powers are other than opening star shaped portals no one knows.

@@mrbonez8720 The only character we got from her was "AHH, BEE!" and missing her parents.

@Billy Kid it's the number 1 movie again...68% (not 82%)drop isn't that drastic...60% is considered fairly normal...and those numbers are going to increase now that theaters charge more in week 1

@Billy Kid they literally told us when Wandavision came out that it would be the lead in to Doctor Strange 2

I think they gave her enough for her to be introduced. She’s going to show up in later movies.

Yeah. She lacks any kind of agency for the first 90% of the movie (she can't control her powers, she couldn't hope to stop Dr. Strange if he wanted to those powers, and she only learns how to control those powers because Dr. Strange tells her she can). The last moment, where America decides to use her powers to give Wanda a "Monkey's Paw Moment", comes close to redeeming the way the script treats her, but I'm not sure that it gets over the hump.

just so they didnt have to film another way of crossing universes.. it was wack

Am I the only one who thinks that actress can’t act…..like at all

I still don't care if she does and got her power absorbed or not 😂

Yeah, MCU seems to be doing a lot of work lately to kill off or replace legacy characters. We have young replacements for Hawkeye and Black Widow.

The multiverse already took a backseat bro

The multiverse is barely used in the movie and you wanted to shove it away even more? lol

@@radrno7 how is it barely used? that's literally what the movie was about

@@craigime They go to two different universes and they're both pointless

After watching everything everywhere all at once, the multiverse aspect of this movie is dogshit. Horror was lit tho. Shouldn't have called it multiverse of madness

Ikr!

yeah i thought that was strange

That’s the problem with this movie, a lot of things happened off screen and they told us it happened, “somehow Palpatine returned” “Mordo from my universe is trying to kill me” “the darkhold corrupted me”.

@@SantiagoHernandez-qx1pe in the last like 9 movies we’ve gotten where does he fall in? It’s dumb to assume since we saw him in the end credits scene, that he’s just been chilling in that same place, doing nothing. For god sake there was even a 5 year jump during end game. It’s been like 10 years since the events of the first doctor strange lmao, so I would assume strange at least KNOWS that mordor don’t fw him anymore.

@@calebstevens9446 I’m having a hard time trying to make sense out of your comment, please be precise and simple with the point you’re trying to get across.

EXACTLY!!! We could've had a Wanda living a fake life in that new hex she made, but well, she still dreams with her kids, and when she gets to Kamar Thaj, while they talk about America we see the Darkhold glow, or she hears her kids asking for help again, or it whispers to her, and she tries to say the same thing "I kmow how it is to be chased, I could help her, I could control her power" instead of saying "I could help her control the power" and then after Strange get's a bit suspicious she snaps! She could even say the girl name, just like thst scene but instead, she got it from reading their minds or the Darkhold told her Would've give us a great moviez everything else could've been the same but would make the "corruption" so much more meaningful

@CYB3R2K30 you absolutely don’t need to watch the shows to understand what’s going on. I think he was just saying one of the common complaints is that Wanda turned evil with little warning of you haven’t seen WV. My wife hasn’t seen WV either and she was able to pick up really fast

@@maldor56 there are minorities that aren't as bright as people with brains that could easily understand things

Or why wasn't she searching for her beloved husband in the multiverse, instead of her recently made up children?

That's what irks me about the MCU/Disney even more now. It's not enough to just watch a movie to understand what's happening but you need to subscribe and watch that show that you probably won't be interested in but have to just to watch the new movie

Our Mordo originally was supposed to die in the opening scene when checking up on Wanda because he sensed a “great evil” or something. I think they did us a favor cutting that scene and letting him come back in the future.

Yeh, I'm honestly surprised at Captain Midnight for being so hard on Krasinski. You'd think he of all people would be saying we should give John a chance.

A 5 minute cameo from an alternate universe version of him, nonetheless.

Sometimes, I think marvel fans forget that these movies need to be marketed to people who don't know a lot about marvel or comics in general. If they cast popular actors in fun roles, people will watch it. I think John Krasinski did a great job at seeming intelligent with good intentions.

@@joecollins5257 I genuinely don't understand why people are saying that he doesn't ''look'' smart when he's litteraly behaving like in the comics

@@Blitz-dm3kv it was a terrible performance though. It came across as super stiff and just not believable as an actual person being themself. I was excited when I saw him and it got a pop in the theater but the performance I thought was just bad.

Didn't they say that the incursion destroyed that whole universe tho?

@@RedCaio If you're referring to the mid credits scene it is not specified what universes are going through an incursion.

​@@YuKheThai no, during the movie I seem to recall them saying that that universe was destroyed as a result of Wanda/Strange meddling

@@RedCaio nah it was said that THEIR strange was dream walking and caused another universe to be destroyed, which was why black bolt killed him

That Illuminati is dead and should stay dead because they are pathetic. It is a waste to have them on screen like that because it destroys the whole point of the illuminati in the first place. The illuminati of the comics were the ones who had to respond not just to one incursion but a series of incursions that was destroying the entire multiverse and while they did not stop it they ultimately gained the power to recreate the whole multiverse. That means they were the best of the best and not dumb like this Illuminati. And this movie just shows that they don't take them seriously in the MCU. It just seems like they knew a lot of people were expecting this and just like Luke in The Last Jedi, they "subverted expectations".

I know right? I was wondering why she even let that go on for as long as she did with how powerful she was. At least in terms of Peggy.

@@motherplayer darkhold maybe give her much power!.

People were saying that she kinda held back because captain carter reminded of her of captain america and how she served in the avengers before..??? Idk💀

@@jackhall4767 If that were true, she would have incapacitated her. Instead she cut her in half with a blunt edge.

@@Eidlones heh, ig your right... or maybe she expected the shield to knock her out or just like you said.. incapacitate her, but ig she accidentally put too much force into throwing the shield back to her😅🤣💀

yeah well, he's out anyway

Yeah this was suppose to be a more smoothed out reed. One that seems to have live and made hard decisions and just wants a quiet resolution. So he played it as that. Not the arrogant smart man that Reed is at the beginning of his career. And I think we all know this was just so marvel could say, “there ya go. We did John as Reed, now it will be someone else”

And due to how badly he was been harassed, he left the F4 project lol.

agreed

More like Doctor cameo and the Multicrap of Midness

yeah this was more of a scarlet witch and America Chavez film with doctor strange as a supporting character.

I feel the MCU wants to “have their cake and eat it too” because they want to start new phases or expand, but they refuse to allow substantial character growth or make truly new ideas. At least as someone who came on board Phase 3, it all seems the same.

you guys just forget what phase 1 movies were like

@@oldcowbb agree. We're so spoiled haha

I think phase 4 is (mostly) to show what the universe is like post endgame.

The idea that Dr. Strange works best as a supporting character has persisted through the comics as well. I think that stems from the fact that Dr. Strange (in his most well-known iterations) is typically presented as having surrendered any pretense of a personal life. To casual readers at least, he's a character who will always choose to sacrifice anything to protect the mortal realm from evil: he'll euthanize his allies, he'll give up his powers, and even his own life with almost no hesitation.

@@daviddalrymple2284 but isn’t that idea worthy of exploring in and of itself? I mean sure that’s the comics, but we’re talking about movies which don’t always follow the same rules in my opinion.

"Like literally we last saw her killing her children to free the town from her spell" she didn't kill her children- they never existed..she didn't sacrifice anything

@@craigime Seems pedantic tbh. Just because they were created by magic doesn't mean they weren't real, it just means they weren't biological. The relationships she had with them were real, and therefore so was her sacrifice. If there was no sacrifice and her children didn't matter, than wtf is her motivation in MoM?

Yeah I completely agree. I thought America Chavez's actress was alright, but her character was just so paper-thin that I was hoping there was gonna be a bit more to her than what we got. That "memory pad" thing in the Illimunati's universe felt so forced and contrived, too. Made me wish there was a more natural and compelling way to show her backstory/character. Poor Wanda. I dunno if I'd call it "character assassination," but it just felt so jarring going from WandaVision to Multiverse of Madness with her. She went from 0 to 100 real quick. And I get why with the Darkhold and all that, but like there was no gradual shift to her becoming a villain and it felt like all the nuance and development she went through in WandaVision was thrown out the window so fast. That being said, I was surprised and kinda delighted how she ACTUALLY ended up being the villain of the film instead of a puppet being controlled by some secret big bad. I was FULLY expecting Nightmare to show up with all the talk of "dreams" (someone idk who, probably Wanda, even says the word nightmare at some point) but I was probably grasping at straws. Knowing comics, I doubt she's really dead, though. After seeing this and the 3 Spider-Man movies when I was younger and literally nothing else from his filmography, I dunno if I'm necessarily a fan of Raimi's directing style. I agree the acting felt kinda...stilted? Goofy? Monologue-y? across the board. I don't think any of the jokes really landed. And I don't think that's the actors' faults. The gore and deaths and carnage though? Big fan. I'd still like to see more of his movies to see if there's something I'm missing; but, as of right now, I don't get the hype. Originally, I was gonna say that this movie was gonna be more of a stepping-stone so we can get more multiverse films in the future. But it's literally in the title and it was barely explored.

It felt like fanfiction.

Modern films really feel like exercises in great acting doing battle against horrible screenwriting. What are they teaching these writers? I can't help but to feel that these writers are exactly the types who see bad movies, and make it their maverick, auteur mission to say "I'll show Hollywood how it's done"... and then they get caught up in the money and the studio notes and the reality of being a lowly blueprint sketcher.

Unpopular opinion but I love Cumerbatches American accent. I know it doesn’t sound entirely natural but I find the deep back of the throat rumble when he speaks super comforting if that makes sense. Agreed on everything else you said though!

@@maldor56 I think I would prefer his natural accent but I risky understand why you like it. There is something mesmerizing about his deep grumbly American voice.

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@@maldor56 Yeah. I love how he gives this deeper tone to the words. "DORMAMMU, I'VE COME TO BARGAIN" "See who's laughing now, ASSHOLE" The best Cumberbath voice work is still Smaug though. "I CUN SMEEELL DWOOORVESSS" "I UMM FAIUUUH... I UMM... DEETHH"

@@radrno7 I can definitely see why his accent isn’t for everyone it just scratches my brain in just the right way haha

She had the Darkhold, which was driven into the ground how corrupting it is.

@@lestertjester4140 they should had a scene showing wanda being corrupted to actually sell her actions. Just comes off you need those exact kids you made up or strange only gets to love Christine

@@lestertjester4140 Exactly. Movie repeated God knows how many times how it corrupts the reader. Regardless, her role was the strongest in the film even though Strange had more screen time. The irony is both of those characters could have benefitted from even more screen time AND multiversal travelling than the introduction of the Illuminati sequences, which were largely forgettable.

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Phase 4 is just full of duds, the MCU party is over

lol right

I'd have to strongly agree. The stories and how much they rely on the big budget visuals just makes the movie kind of boring

the part i'm most done with are cameos that pause for couple seconds for cheer baiting, i'm not cheering and no one in the cinema is cheering

@@oldcowbb I’d agree. So often in this movie were those moments just met with silence. Heck even much of that marvel humor hardly got any reaction

I'm more excited to watch that than I was watching this.

Indeed. If anything, EEAaO got me appreciating that even the life and story of a variant has worthwhile meaning and not to give in to the ease of nihilism that is easy to encourage when knowing so many versions of yourself exist. As opposed to this which is only putting a worse case for comic book induced multiverse indulgence that full on lean in to that nihilism. I mean after all, so many people are talking of the illuminati and going "Eh, it's not in the NORMAL universe."

Same. I went into this movie as blind as I could and I had a really good time. I have a few criticisms, but this was just a fun episode in Dr. Strange’s story and I was happy with what we got.

I did watch the first trailer but didn't hype up the movie as well. I don't think that has any bearing on the negative reactions to the movie, the movie is flawed on its own merit. I thought it was a cool looking movie, at least I wasn't bored, that's about as good as I can say about this movie. 6.5-7/10 if I have to rate it.

Yup

Same, went in only having seen the first trailer, loved it. It seems like everyone’s complaints stem from the fact that they didn’t get whatever movie they expected to get from the trailers and other news that came out from the movie.

i didn't watch any trailers either... but it still sucked

Their not afraid. They just don't treat these movies as movies. It's nothing but products for them.

@@spider-man500 to be fair, with all due respect Mr. Parker, all movies are products to be consumed. But they make movies for "everyone" which is for no one at the same time.

Let Raimi go with his plan, that guy know what he is doing. Marvel sucks.

The reason it’s 2 hours is because they DID let him do his thing. His visual style is evident in many scenes and Michael Waldron, the screenwriter, said that Raimi was always pushing for a shorter runtime with a fast pace.

@@brt1strrbb110 disney likes to play it safe... which is why i'm concerned for Blade

What’s the issue with the story and Wanda in your opinion

@@wendymorales5695 The story felt rushed and all over the place. It tries to juggle too much like the Illuminati, Wanda, america chavez, and strange. For Wanda the movie kinda contradicts Wandavision and the movie wants to treat her like a sympathetic tragic villian without doing a good job of making us care about her.

@@SD-uw7zu ahhh thank you sm for your response I truly wanted to understand why people felt a certain way.. for entertainment it was enjoyable but the story line could’ve been worked on a lot more. That I agree with thank you again

@@wendymorales5695 np. I didn’t hate the movie but I expected way more from it. If you enjoyed it than I’m happy for you. But I think this is a downgrade from the first dr strange and NWH. To me it’s a 6.5

@@SD-uw7zu I just watched it and it's one of my most liked MCU movies. Visuals/music were amazing and the movie itself is very thrilling and so different from other marvel movies. But I do have the same feeling as others who critize the movie. This is my take on it In WandaVision, she learns that her grief isn't a valid reason to hurt other people to be with her family. At the end she wants to understand her chaos powers so she uses the Darkhold. She learns about the possiblity to get to her family. Due to the heavy corruption from the Darkhold and her grief she'll do whatever it takes to accomplish this. This sets her up as an exciting villain, but also gives a sad feeling that they're 'destroying' her character. The plot in WandaVision seems pointless (even though she's corrupted by the Darkhold) and it's obviously just sad to see her turn out like this after she's been in the MCU for this long I think Strange and Wong should've been made stronger, especially in the first fight against the octopus. Same for the Illuminati. It was interesting to see how strong Wanda was against them but it was a bit too much. A bigger story from Chavez would've also been nice. She was very important and we didn't learn that much about her

Yep, I never felt like Wanda was corrupted, she always appeared as she was doing the same things she was already okay doing in WandaVision

I know what you mean but tbf, they did add a sequence showing what happened to a doctor strange variant when he used the darkhold (aka killed a trillian people)

what? wanda was always the villian. she was the villian in wandavision.

@@monarchgupta2712 The show clearly didn't treated much as the villain, remember? Also, at the end of WandaVision she's supposed to have learned her lesson, moved past Vision and her obssession for a perfect life with him. The point brought up is, her suddenly being so corrupted felt too sudden. We never see the corruption, not how it corrupts here, the best we have is the 5 seconds scene at the end of WV. And even the "corruption" feels more like an excuse cause, she's not doing anything much different than what she did in WV. If you watched WV, you kmow the show doesn't treat Wanda as the villain, this movie truly turned her into one, but felt weak, not cause, you can barely feel the so called corruption which led her down this path

@@chamelious But that also doesn't show the Darkhold corrupting them, it just shows what we already knew, that the Darkhold makes you evil and "crazy". Also, the incursion was an accident basically, not something that Strange did intentionally

You should write. Love your ideas

Yes just was thinking this! A lot of horror elements too!

This wasn't a Raimi film. Just another generic MCU offering scattered with few references to Raimi's career. They nerfed Raimi hard. #ReleaseTheRaimiCut

This wasn't a Sam Raimi movie though. He just filmed it. He didn't even want it being labelled as "A Sam Raimi Movie" in the credits. He was under marvel mandates on a film he took over from a different director.

I have to admit, I felt the whole raimi thing was really tired here. It's all been done before and there was nothing really jaw dropping.

There was no emotional arc in this film which is what Raimi usually does best. Everything kind of just happens and they throw in a line or two about being happy. This film didn't work for me despite some fun moments.

There is no "2h 40m Raimi cut." He wanted it to be as short as possible.

@@Blitz-dm3kv oh so where the hell did all those 40mins was cut from the movie come from?

As if England/London isnt represented enough already in american movies🙄

Nah, It was refreshing to not have a superhero movie be 5 hours long tbh

@@AtomicHaven No superhero movies are longer than 2 hours, tf you talking about.

@@AlextheKungfuMaster Endgame (over 3 hours), Justice League Snyder cut (over 4 hours), The Batman (3 hours), no way home (almost 3 hours) Eternals (almost 3 hours), tf are YOU talking about bro?

Comicbook movies should be 3 hours

@@lulu_TheWitchBoy not necessarily but for a comic book movie that needs to cover as much as Doctor Strange 2 was supposed, it should definitely be at least 2 and half hours.

Yeah, hopefully Kransinski can really get into Reed Richards character in his own upcoming movie.

What "issues"?! Reed Richards is an arrogant character who often makes rash decisions. He was a member of a group that easily took out Thanos. Of course he was going to be cocky and just assume that Black Bolt could take out Wanda.

nah, he was meant to die, so he did his job

Because in his short time on screen, he gave some negative indications and few positive ones.

@@TheEvilCheesecake fair, but I think it's a bit extreme for him to say he doesn't want to see him in the role again just from less than 3 minutes if janky reshoot footage.

yeah and that short time is what people are gonna judge his performance off... he just didn't like it. doesn't matter if it's "janky reshoot footage," that's what ended up in the final product and it wasn't great

I see it more that the Darkhold has her working towards its goal, not hers. She cannot be allowed a happy ending because the Darkhold needs her as a destructive force.

Also who is the dad of the kids in all the dimensions? Because if she wants those specific kids she needs to have a specific husband right?

@@jedipsy Would've been nice if they _showed_ us anything like that. Literally any interpretation of what the Darkhold does to its users is more interesting than the film because the only thing it ever does is tell us _what_ it does but never _how_ it does it.

@@brycebitetti1402 who knows what Kevin Feige has planned? That may be a reveal that is coming up.

@@jedipsy So? Right now, in this film, it's a cheap, poorly defined plot device. I'm tired of relying on the next project to inject some meaning into their increasingly soulless garbage. Give me something good that can be quality entertainment in its own right. Don't give me an unfulfilling experience becauae you're saving my satisfaction for some later project way down the line.

I think Krasinski will be playing mr fantastic in the 616 movies too, otherwise they’re gonna need an explanation for why everyone except a few characters look the same in every universe

@@jonnyleeconway The Spider-Men didn't look the same, so there you go.

jonny conway so far, the only characters in the multiverse who look the same are Wanda, mordo, and strange. Everyone else has a different face

@@jdperez1865 many Lokis look the same too

@@modimihir true, and then again many don't.

Exactly. I loved the movie, but this is my problem with it. If Dr. Strange was able to break the rules and be positioned as a hero, why is Wanda a villian? Is it just because she killed people and wants to kill America? Strange literally does the same thing by weilding the dark hold, he just hasn't had enough time to go full crazy and kill people, (if you ignore the fact that he kills his alternate self).

Three days (or four?) Before the launch of the movie, the original script (without the reshoots) leaked, while it improve the story in some parts, i think the biggest improvement was strange arc in the movie. Basically all the set up of him being asked if sacrificing half of the universe was the only way would paid off. The illuminati would call strange selfish for sacrifing half of the universe, while showing 838 stephen giving him his life to fight thanos, sinister strange actually gave his life to the darkhold to destroy thanos and he failed, so when he actually gives a choice to america it doesn't feel forced or falls flat.

@@genesisp3884 Strange used the Darkhold in a desperate bid to save America and didn't slaughter a bunch of people to do it

@@jasonjones3328 But, he only just started using the Dark hold. Wanda first used the dark hold only to locate her kids. It's not until she has been using the Dark hold for months that we see her actually use it to try to kill America and others. Strange could very well be tempted to commit similar atrocities in the next few months.

@@genesisp3884 Strange wouldn't keep using it though

It is not about the leaks but the script

That's not true though. I watched the first trailer and avoided all potential spoiler talk. Yet was extremely disappointed with the film. 1) Wandas turn was too sudden. End of wandavision she realises her mistake and undoes everything. Now suddenly she's evil. 2) illuminati sequence was pretty pointless. 3) the entire film felt rushed. Rushing from plot point to plot point with not much characterisation or set up . 4) too many high concept ideas without the necessary backstory. The other book strange is after is just thrown in there with no history. Wandas temple comes out of no where 5) too many Deus ex machina moments. Oh no Wanda book is destroyed.. never mind there's a temple with it all engraved. Oh no Dr Strange is caught by the Illuminati. Oh wait he's free now 6)To many inconsistencies. America Chavez can only create portals when she's scared. Yet when she screams in fear as wanda chase them in the tunnel...no portal. When Wanda catches America it takes her far too long to take her power. Strange has enough time to find away out of the inbetween multiverse into the one that's crumbling. Has a philosophical debate with his evil self. Has a fight with his evil self. Dreamwalks into zombie self. Fights some demons. Then get his zombie self from New York to Wanda's temple. And America Chavez is still alive?! 7) too many quick resolutions. America Chavez controlling her powers as soon as strange tells her he believed eves in her. Wanda instantly changing her mind when she sees her children and other self The solutions: 1) not have evil Wanda yet. That should've been saved for this saga's 'civil war'. The 'its all lost' moment which should come at th end of act2 of the story not beginning of act 1. Have the conflict be about whether strange should be villified as Wanda was and strange having to prove his actions aren't about selfish gain or pride (touched on v briefly in the film. see below for more) 2) the Illuminati should've been a major part of act 2. Sure they capture strange but also take heed of his warnings and working with him but also keeping him cuffed whilst strange tries to convince them he's not a threat. Wouldv meant we actually get to know them (no..flashbacks and exposition don't count). They could then have been the ones fighting Wanda when she has Chavez explaining why wanda hadn't managed to take her powers until strange comes. Sure..let Wanda kill the Illuminati but by the final fight we would actually care. Wanda Vs Wanda fight scene with the realisation her children see her as a monster being less sudden. Maybe they use their powers to help their real mum fighting against our Wanda and in the heat of the fight she turns to them and is about to blast them then realises she was about to kill them.

@@jgreen2015 why don’t you apply to Marvel Studios to write the movie yourself then ?

I haven’t seen a single trailer and hated it. The script was super weak and direction very wonky. Some directors are just stuck in the 90s.

@@fahimalfaisal7781 yeah cuz you do that yourself?

so she made peace with her grief for them, but she didn't make peace with the fact that her kids weren't real?

She doesn't want to look for her actual brother and vibrator but instead goes to look for her imaginary kids...

Meh You didnt understand the concept of the movie I guess Also I read the first point 5 times and I still dont understand it. Which character are you talking about???

@@herb4243 Christine. A huge chunk of the movie basically revolves around how Doctor Strange didn't get Christine. Like said before, I didn't even remember her from the first movie so I was completely confused when so much of the movie focuses on her and Stephen's relationship.

@@a.dennis4835 And doesn't feel like any of his interactions with the alternate Christine's resolves the plot with his Christine. She kind of just follows Strange along and then says goodbye. Nothing changed about Strange in the end. Is he happier now? Idk, he grows a third eye, jumps into another multiverse, and thats the movie. Ok?

True! About him being “arrogant” I feel it’s the same as Tony Stark or even Dr. Strange. Both men are very powerful and certainly intelligent, but they both has charismatic and semi ethical flaws. So I feel it is perfectly in character for a very intelligent character to have some semblance or arrogance or a flaw.

I feel like that's all Sam Raimis doing. His way of making comic book movies actually feel like their source material is what made the og Spiderman movies so good

I feel like this was a far inferior attempt compared to The Batman, and Sam Raimi's cheesy style is getting far too much credit where I found it to be out of place in a story that was supposedly going for something more sinister. But the Batman - now THAT was a page by page, frame by frame comic book movie.

@CYB3R2K30 Nah. It was long and bloated, but still not as messy as Multiverse of Madness, which lacked depth and a strongly emotional core to its story (plus we can terrible character arcs, messy screenplay and the crappiest most contrived dialogue ever). And visually - The Batman was INFINITELY better as a comic book film I really look forward to Thor, though.

@CYB3R2K30 I loved the new Batman movie, but I think it has the type of visual style that could be replicated by any other director. At least Raimi has his own unique style, cause most MCU movies look like they were made in a lab, stripped of any unique vision the director might have had. You can not watch an MCU film (besides Ragnarok) and actually tell who directed it. They're all so homogeneous. I'm just glad Multiverse had some personality in it

@CYB3R2K30 Yeah, I disagree with him. It's just more Sam Raimi circlejerk. A famed director hired to reshoot does not equate to the project being good.

Seriously he’s judging an actors performance off a character that’s literally a cameo appearance

and? those few minutes were his performance... he doesn't need an entire movie to sell his skills