On Sept. 14, 2018, the Connell School of Nursing hosted retired FBI special agent John E. Douglas and professor of nursing Ann Burgess to discuss criminal profiling and the hit Netflix show "Mindhunter." www.bc.edu
Say it again John Douglas: If it wasn't for Ann Burgess and Boston College, there would never have been a Behavioral Unit at the FBI. That's a HUGE COMMENT!
I don't think Ressler gets enough credit for the BSU. He was the first to start the process. Douglass has always been given too much credit because of the media coverage he has received; some of which he sought out
Real fathers of the BSU are Howard Teten, Pat Mullany and Russell Vorpagel. Robert Ressler, John Douglas and Roy Hazelwood joined that elitary unit years later.
I went to a lecture given by Ressler 27 years ago. He had video and pictures and pulled it all together. He was incredible Sexual Homicide: Patterns and Motives Book by Ann Burgess, John E. Douglas, and Robert Ressler
,,Whoever Fights Monsters" by Robert Ressler (R.I.P) is one of the most incredible books on the subject along with ,,Mindhunter" by John Douglas. I highly recommend these books to all intrested in serial killers. There is a lot of crap in the true crime literature, but these books are real jewels worth reading many times.
I actually preferred Ressler's book "Whoever Fights Monsters," it was extremely good. Anyone who enjoyed reading mind hunter will definitely love that book.
Mr Douglas is just a wonderful person. I could listen to him for hours. Thank God for these clever minds and forensics that many serial killers are caught.
Unfortunately Mindhunter’s perfection plays into why was cancelled. David Fincher is, like I’ll say 100 times, brilliant but unfortunately his brilliance is a downfall as a 10 minute scene is known to take 19 hours for him to shoot which obviously costs a lot of money and makes the show take years between seasons. It was so well-reviewed and has a big cult following but there are no current plans to make a third season thanks to a combination of low viewership, expensive production costs, and the strenuous work the show requires. This seems to happen to all the best Netflix shows.
i do not think that is true - it is a year later and I believe they are now working on season 3 now . Absolutely it did not look like it was ever going to happen but the reason ( other than covid ) was that Mr Fincher had a lot of opportunities to do other projects and between those and keeping the cast -held hostage in a way - the schedules just were not working out - but now apparently they are an season 3 is going to happen - which is fantastic to anyone who enjoys the show . I know I will be looking forward to it.
It hasn't been cancelled; only on hiatus. Netflix and Fincher jointly agreed to pause because Fincher had another project Mank, and then The Killer, and don't be surprised if Mindhunter returns sometime after that. DF wanted to do these new projects and didn't want to keep the actors tied to a production that he was going to pause before coming back to, so the actors were all released from their commitments. But all of the actors are stoked about working on it in the future, and apparently it is likely going to happen sooner than later.
He is extraordinary. There are some episodes John Douglas tells investigators about the perpetrators that are incredible. He is one of a kind.Brilliance 👏🏽👏🏽
First book I read on the subject was Robert Ressler's "Whoever Fights Monsters." Then, on a shopping trip to Borders with a friend (who was looking for a book like these) I discovered "Mindhunters." Since then, I've read several of Mr D's books and Robert Ressler's "I Have Lived in the Monster," plus Roy Hazelwood's "Evil That Men Do" and currently reading the new book by Dr Burgess, "Killer By Design." JUST started that, actually. I used to own "Crime Classification Manual" and thought it was lost forever but very recently found out that one of my friends has it and has had for all of these years. All very fascinating and unlike many other "true crime" books, these get into the details of how the cases were solved, and how their technique evolved over the years as they learned more. I watched the first season of Mindhunters, but unless they were doing it so it was considered fiction, I don't know that they needed to add all the extra personal drama and their fights with the F.B.I., etc. The cases, and the personal toll the career took on them, provided enough drama. (If you read "Mindhunter," you know how it starts, with the illness that Mr. D talks about in this video . . .) And SPOILER FOR SEASON 1 SPOILER SPOILER The thing that happened with Kemper in the hospital? Why?? Totally unnecessary.
It's sad that the moderator doesn't let her talk freely when she wants to add something to what Douglas was saying. He even interrupted her, with her having to ask to let her speak.. A bit said because what she was saying was really interesting!
Awesome video! The work of Ressler; Douglas and Burgess was groundbreaking for both the field of psychology/psychiatry and detection in law enforcement. They are indeed the real MindHunters
I adore Dr. Ann Burgess. She is a legend in the field and a wonderful person in real life. So warm, welcoming with a great sense of humor. Mad respect for this woman. Shout out to John Douglas!
that was the BEST series...!!!!! still upset they didn’t make a 3rd season?!?!?!?!?!?!? are they nuts ? It was PREFECT! John Douglas is awesome, such a fan for decades now, read one of his books first time decades ago. Thank god for what he did. Sorry he had so much trauma though, glad he survived that.
I am humbled by those who do this type of work. Ive read many, many books over the decades on these subjects and i gleaned a lot from survival techniques to psychological disorders but know this, even simply reading of these things WILL challenge your strength. The offenders and crimes are things, normal people dont even dream of so knowing its based on fact is VERY TOUGH emotionally to simply read. Ive had books i had to set aside for weeks before i could go back and soldier through the sewer to finish reading. Im smarter for it, a more observant citizen but itll take a toll on a person so theres some advice to those uninitiated to this type of material. God Bless the Victims, their Familys and the men and women who bravely wade in the excretement for the betterment of us all...
William Tobin So true. I too had to stop for a while. I think trying to comprehend the horrific acts of another especially when your brain doesn't think this way takes a strong constitution.
Thank you for letting us meet the real people. Brilliant talk and clips, thanks! Great questions too. I think what a lot of people struggle to understand is that childhood is a type of slavery or cult - in that children have no social, financial, physical or political power. They have no knowledge of how the world works, of how to feed themselves etc. When their parents/carers are harsh, cruel and they are exposed daily to violence and violation - images, thoughts and feelings provided by their carers and media around them and when they are a target for that, the children have very abnormal brain and psycho-social development. Under the age of 16, I have termed their families cult like because they have features of cults - they have been trained in violence from a very early age (indoctrinated), they are humiliated and punished (if not actually tortured) when they displease their parents/carers and they are given no choice about it all. In religious cults and violence cults (criminal gangs, terrorist groups etc) this is part of the control element and the heightening of fear as a means of control, through violence and humiliation). They are already damaged - often at a very young age. In all the cases highlighted by mindhunters, the themes are there. The children then develop huge rage and outrage and once they have been provided with what seems to be a legitimized target (e.g. seeing women tied up and raped and killed) they are then indoctrinated that this is what they can (and should) do with their aggressive impulses.
Unfortunately I think the many psychologist here in New Zealand still have their arms crossed and aren’t open to the the kind of advice John was offering. Needless to say that’s why we have so many of these rotten bastards out wandering the streets committing more heinous crimes while waiting on their court dates.
I remember when the Behavioral Science Unit in the FBI was formed. I remember how exciting it was to learn the markers of anti-social behavior and how they developed profiles in lead serial murder cases and how they made their searches worldwide, from first statewide then nationwide, then worldwide. How they constructed search and information sites then shared them with the world. Fascinating stuff. It took decades for information entry, comparisons, cross-referencing and intelligence gathering and will be ongoing, well...forever.
Totally, I'm amazed at the lack of views. It's rare to get a great talk from John on here or anywhere. I'm absolutely blown away just to listen to him.
@@bonniebloodworth it's just so insightful, really helps with fleshing out fictional characters and their motivations. He amazes me too, what is he now, like in his 70's? Awesomeness!!
If ever there was a role model, he's it. Obviously reading his books gives you the most important information but I'd love to see more of him and even Dr Burgess in these fascinating circumstances. We can't see Robert Ressler (RIP) anymore unfortunately but he seemed to be more involved with tv productions. I feel privileged here with this. I'd given up looking for anything with John and then this gem popped up, thankfully.
Thank you for sharing your information to help the public understand. My question is have these types of crimes increased or decreased since it’s easier to identify the perpetrator now? Well…
Let's not forget Roy Hazelwood; another pioneer of FBI criminal profiling. He was integral in making the distinction between 'organized' and 'disorganized.' He co-authored 2 great books, 'The Evil That Men Do' and 'Dark Dreams.' Both excellent reads.
atomic mama totally agree. Some psychopaths/sociopaths are made, not born. With a loving nurturing and encouraging mother things would have turned out much differently
I think it just shows you how ANYBODY could be an Ed Kemper. I lived in Santa Cruz, CA when Ed was on his killing spree & he was very popular with the local law enforcement. We have to remember how charming these people can be when it serves their purpose. It's the same debate on environment vs heredity as to where things went wrong for Ed. Imho I believe in his case it was both. I do believe we can gain much from this type of research for both law enforcement & the prisoners themselves. We can't undo the damage of course but the insights are priceless.
Man, a lot of questions jump into my mind watchin this interview ..."So, in their expert opinion, those people can't be rehabilitated? So, we should be doing anything to prevent they become monsters, Are we doing it? "
I think a very good companion to the Douglas book is a book called Homicide by Matin Daly and the, sadly, late Margo Wilson (R.IP). It is a scientific account of homicide. The same titled book by show runner David Simon is good too, though very different.
@@severianxi6990 you're an idiot if you think that's not the first thing everyone did when they found the volume too low. OP literally said "on the highest setting" and you're coming in here acting like you're providing Occam's razor for everyone
Re adults who were abused as children, but do not become offenders or abusers themselves, a very interesting psychiatrist , Alice Miller, who is now deceased, has several books written , ( sorry I can't recall the titles offhand ..easy to find though.... she found that if a victim of abuse had what she calls a 'witness'... ie someone who was aware of the child's suffering and in some way perhaps was able to offer support or if not visible support, at least a silent confirmation of the reality of the child's experience and suffering ...then that person was unlikely to later become a perpetrator . That coincides with what John is saying about victims who have had some kind of support in their family or acquaintance circle and are less likely to offend themselves. Great discussion... thanks to Boston College.
I think the message they’re sharing about the interviews and conversations are that you can’t have a victim defensive mentality with violent sadistic killers.
Ed Kemper is absolutely fascinating. I have heard little tidbits of remorse from him, which is something. Maybe he is trying to atone for what he did by helping law enforcement. Maybe he enjoys being seen as an expert. Or maybe he is just lonely and likes having someone to talk to about his crimes.
He’s not trying to atone. He’s asserting control and domination by controlling his narrative. It strokes his ego to be seen as this introspective murderer by the fbi, so that’s why he does it.
He knows that he would kill again, that's why he says he's not rehabilitated for parole. So that says something.. he would kill again. He wants to kill still. He does not feel remorse since he knows he wants to kill again. However, he turned himself in and wants to stay in prison, because he said being on the run was overwhelming somehow I don't remember, and he also did say he became too self aware with the folly of it all, of what he was doing.
It would have been interesting to include Dr. A. Nicholas Groth in the panel, as he also was part of the FBI initiative, doing prison interviews with convicted offenders. His research resulted in the publication of "Men Who Rape," which was instrumental in changing the stereotypes around sexual assault that affected treatment by police, hospital, lawyers, judges, and juries. His book introduced the now-common understanding of the difference between Anger Rape, Power Rape, and other subsets, which helped inform the profiling methodology used by the FBI to focus their investigations and explain the different evidentiary standards that are needed to convict offenders. The coordination with Dr. Burgess was critical in identifying correlations between types of assailants, victims, and corresponding evidentiary standards.
Anyone else feel uncomfortable when the audience chuckles at certain parts? For example when Montie Rissell tells Ann in his letter that they don't have Netflix in prison. Either way, very interesting insight.
This video answered a question ive always had. I know it sounds super weird but ive always wondered if a rapist would be somehow put off and stop if the victim were to pretend to enjoy it or act sexually agressive toward the rapist in response to the assault as a tactic, but aparently not.
I'm only minutes into this, but I'm curious as to what they don't mention Roy Hazelwood. He helped develope the profiling program. He went with John Douglass to interview prisoners to get the info to do the profiling.
, I recommend Roy Hazelwood, he was the expert in sex crimes. He was part of the the BSU in its infancy he wrote several books on serial killer and bizarre crimes tied to serial killers. It’s my humble opinion that the books The Evil That Man Do and Dark Dreams are probably even better the Mind Hunter if you like these types of books you will not regret buying any of these books, you will not be able to put these down.They are amazing. I was a Warden in various prisons all over the US and Puerto Rico, met some of the profilers in the early 2000’s if you would like I can give you a list of books and serial killers you will find terrifying but fascinating.
He wrote about it some in his book. He and his wife split up because he was never home and stuff(sounds like they're married again tho), he admits that he was a helicopter parent, that kind of thing.
With many RU-vid videos, the volume is too low on my computer (unless I use headphones), but is fine on my tablet or phone. In other words, it’s your device that’s to blame.
The character of Bill Tench does not do justice to what Robert Ressler was. I'm not saying it's bad, I love it in a nutshell but we all know that Robert is the mastermind. Read his books, he says so everything
This was great wish there was more, anybody know of any other material on here like this that is classy to the point and isn't cheesy and drenched in hyperbole?
