Thanks for having me on guys. Looking forward to keeping this friendship we developed and am always happy to help the podcast however I can. Here’s to more episodes! 🎉
This hits right to the bone! Tons of valuable lesson and I resonated a lot. No one is a "perfect" editor but if you mixed and match with the creator or whoever you are working with, then that's perfect and you both and the team can accomplish far better.
Biggest misconception: that I can read your mind. Soooo many clients say "just do whatever you think is best", then after I'm finished, say "oh actually I wanted it to look exactly like THIS video here".
Love this because I just hired a freelance video editor and I learned something new and this podcast speaks of it too. "Micro Managing" Here is what I did and I want to share with anyone out there, please do not send bits of clips here and there. The first week, I would send my editor footage throughout the day which caused a spam in the group chat. I realized that and even my editor gave me feedback after I asked him, he said to maybe have it a folder and have all footage ready there, which makes things organized and simple. Another piece of advice is when hiring a editor, I let the editor do all the work in the first video to see how the editor visualizes in the timeline. From there on, we work together to make it more align to how I want it. These simple peices of advice can dramtically change the partner ship and make the team into the next level. So far, its challenging but very fun!
I think the key point is to have both the client and editor seeking a "mutually" beneficial collaboration in good faith. So many times I see clients looking to squeeze as much as possible out of the editor, unbalancing the deal in their favor, not understanding how this will ultimately backfire when seeking a long term collaboration. They assume that editors are fungible while in reality they have their own style, own plugins/assets/libraries, own experience and knowledge, own boundaries/working hours/policies, own communication style and work ethic. The editors also only have 40 hrs per week to trade, so as soon as they reach that saturation point they will either: 1) outsource (if their rates are high enough to do that), 2) Raise the rates, which prices out the bad clients that intentionally looked for an unbalanced deal 3) Cut out the underpaying clients to make space for better paying ones. This ultimately means that bad clients are not able to retain long term people if the deal that they seek is unbalanced, and high turnover and inconsistency is a disease for any business. I also see some clients confusing a contractor with an employee. An employee gets 100% of his income from his employer, and therefore the employer gets his undivided attention and the employee has a strong interest in keeping that relationship going, because he's getting A LOT from that employer. When a client brings in 5%-10% of the total monthly income of the contractor, he/she can't expect the same type of collaboration that you'd get from an employee or that type of undivided attention, when the editor has to deal with a ton of clients to make a full paycheck.
This is so true! Reminds me of some aspects of color grading. I can color grade a movie, but the second someone asks me to mask things out, recolor a wall in a different color, I already know I am stepping into the land of VFX, and it is going to make the grading waaaaaay longer.
Oh immediately I say to him here are my VFX rates if you want me to track and mask. But agreed to do the color grading only so I can't change mid production it would be like the director changing from a 10 minute short to a feature length movie at a whim.
That was great! My channel is at this point where I'm looking for an editor. The guy I work with currently is good. I think with what I have learnt from this video, I can turn our working relationship into something amazing. Thanks alot.
This was a great interview! I think a lot of creators don't understand the learning curve that is needed with editors or get that it will take time to develop a style symbiosis.
@JordanOrme and @HillierSmith, this podcast is a "must watch" for any full-on editor, because you touch on subjects that are truely a part of our everyday life. In my office, its a requirement to watch, for my assitant editors. Thank you for speaking such good conversations that get to the core of our struggles. Much respect to all involved! 🙌
In my experience, the easiest way to explain the complexity of editing to someone who’s never done it, is tell the for every hour of footage you should expect 10 hours of editing. That’s just basic cuts, some simple transitions, and color correction.
5:26 is undoubtably true, Most creators/influencers do not understand the process of editing or creativity. Appreciate the podcast guys! Keep up the great work and I'm Learning a lot!
Great conversation! This is true across other client-video industries as well. Can't tell you how many times businesses or job applications ask for motion design or coloring or any number of peripheral fields like it's nothing, and then send you off with little more than an outline and runtime. Fantastic pod as always, look forward to more!
Love all the vehicles metaphors :) Thanks for the conversation! I am not near to having an editor or even to be a great editor myself, but I always find that kind of professional conversation very inspiring
So i just stumbled upon this video and as someone who edits professionally outside of me doing my own content, all my thoughts and words being put into this one video was perfect! "Assistant Creator" is the correct term! Thank YOu!
This was a great one, I thought I had to find 5 or 6 clients and then felt silly for locking in on one and this episode just made me realise how I got it good
Awesome stuff as always guys. I think the issue stems from both sides being misinformed about what is truly needed in the business relationship, when creators are looking for an editor and the editor is looking for work. The creator typically wants someone who is an expert in everything for a cheap price, but don't understand the editor who could do all of that comes with a premium tag. Also true is the editor who cannot say no or admit to the client that doing all of those things will be so costly that it'll create a spiteful relationship months down the road. What I've learned from your previous podcasts is that both sides should look for a long term relationship in which both sides can teach, advise, and learn from each other. As I like to say if you don't have time, you have money. If you don't have money you have time. Very few people have both.
Love your guy’s podcast. Would love to hear about financials and numbers and what rates to charge as a RU-vid editor, since being a RU-vid editor makes you a Jack of all trades and in sense seems like their skillset is extremely desire able! I’m in a unique situation where I am salaried to work full time for a RU-vidr, and the pay is honestly really good, but I don’t know how to anchor.
This is the exact reason I've had trouble hiring an editor on my main channel. I do everything... scriptwriting, filming, b-roll, media sourcing, sound design, transitions, etc... and I can't fathom someone else being willing to do that for an affordable price. I only do it because my channel is my baby. Maybe hiring a team of people to do one thing each is the way to do it... never thought of it that way. Thanks!
This is the best interview yet, for me personally. Such relatable things. I’m an old man compared to you guys, lol 😂 Used to be all in one shooter/Editor, and recently switching up to strictly remote editing. One of the best jobs in the world. 🖤✌️
Good to see a spotlight shined on Tony Santos. I liked the part where he talks about "turning down" an offer and his reasons for it. As a video editor in training, this aspect of the type of videos you'll be working with frightens me a little. It's funny because Thomas Frank and Logan Paul represent complete polar opposites to me. It is the latter that frightens me. If I have to sift through that type of material, I'm probably better off just editing my own work and hoping for the best.
Editors are treated like a one stop shop. I had someone I was working for ask me how they should communicate with a brand ambassador of a tequila company...
Remember the time you were helping someone with their edit?.....You used "Walking on Sunshine" by...ehh, her name escapes me...Katrina and the Waves. You used the rooftop as a blank canvas......that was amazing. (Who says I can't comment on that video here? Did you read the other comments? They all think this was a great video....just like me. So that point was covered. I needed to bring up something we didn't cover yet). .....I'll go and sit down now. Did anyone bring chips?...I'm hungry.
If you delete footage and don't record on top of footage you can get it back with any data recovery software. But its was a nice transition to sponsor. When is Hayden releasing the course? Learned a lot and I edit for Ben Mallah.
Brilliant video! As an editor training up another editor both under a creator, this was very helpful! There’s a saying “Hire slow, fire fast”. At what point do you think the “fire fast” aspect should come into play in regards to growing an editor?
One thing I've always been confused about is how do you send large file sizes if you're working remotely? Do you use wetransfer, dropbox or lucidlink? Or is there another one that you use that isn't broadly known about
I love this podcast. I don't believe no memory card was deleted silly Segway there. but still always great value. It definitely makes me think about the way I run my channel and how it's just me plus I edit for others as well. I like editing so I don't even know what working with somebody else would be like. But I do know that takes me a very long to get quality and sometimes I put out stuff that's less quality it still takes time but just less of it. Cuz I know if I want to do good on RU-vid it's quality quantity and no one cares if you have a team or not.
I haven't seen the episode yet, but the biggest misconception I've run into as an editor is the expectation of all the non-editor jobs I'm expected to do.
Bro people put an ad for an “editor” when they want a creative director, dp, morion graphics, subtitles, score, seo, tags, and thumbnail….. for $10. They don’t know SHIT
I feel if a client is asking for you to edit something, the software should not matter. It should only matter if my software or workflow can handle the footage. The software is a tool. PremPro, FinalCut, Resolve, and Media Composer all edit footage but do a lot of it very differently. And editors have a different style that fits their software. Like Roger Deakins loves Alexa cameras and it would be weird for a director to tell him that he will only hire him if he uses a Sony Venice. Let the artist use the tool that works for them.
Guys...great video...of course we face this situation where the emplyer don´t really know what the job takes. And it sucks. Abour riverside...that clous where it saves the data...it´s theirs or it´s our dropbox? Do we need a dropbox plan in order to this coloud storage work?
Thanks with money from the heart with pay from cycle food deliveries because this episode resonated with me a lot ethics wise eg I feel that hard working people do seem to get consistently taken advantage of, I’m trying to recognise efforts of good hearted editing people (I’m not an editing person but still got to start from somewhere etc…), Raza :)
so if im making videos in arabic and i want an editor like you guys! how can you do my videos when you dont understand a word from what i say in the video?
11:03 "Bonnet" = BRITISH - The hinged metal canopy covering the engine of an automobile; the hood. "he jumped on the bonnet of the car in an attempt to stop it going in the wrong direction""
Question how can I hire a camera man that’s willing to walk around with me in Manhattan’s- what website should I go on please just🙏 give me an answer bk❤️
Fam! This is an amazing topic to discuss, I experienced this personally when I started in this industry and didn't fully understand what I was being asked to do. When I thought I was just going to be the editor and a manager, creative director, etc. got the best of me because I was fairly new. Now, having a better understanding of what goes into the scope of work, I can handle the conversations better than expected. But man! That's a tough lesson to work through so thank y'all for bringing this up! 🫶
