This has opened up a whole train of thoughts for me. Like why is a fashion game automatically something for a child? Why are feminine “girly” things seen as childish? I collect fashion dolls and it is deemed childish but my dad collects toy cars and it’s fine? Oh society, we still have a lot to talk about.
I feel like it's connected to the idea that women are expected to grow up quickly, and once they grow up they're often expected to reject their childhood interests so that they can productively contribute to society by raising a family or starting a household. Meanwhile, men are generally given a lot more choice and freedom to both hold onto childhood interests and to choose how they want their adult lives to be. I.e. Men who act immature are often shrugged off or justified, whereas women are generally expected to represent the "responsible" gender who clean up after or who mother the men in their lives. A woman is often expected to build her life around others rather than her own interests or desires, and media tends to reflect this as characters who have traditionally feminine interests or who could be described as girly are often associated with being immature, ignorant, arrogant, frivolous, shallow, and/or whiny
Not to mention how sports fans are considered fine and normal, but, say, Taylor Swift fans aren't? One is music and one is sports, sure, but one is also "manly" and one is "girly". Both fans can be in a spectrum of interest (from casual to obsessive), yet people only judge for being a TS fan. Sports fans have been known to do horrible and crazy things throughout history, but you don't get shunned for saying you like sports. You DO get shunned (by mostly men) for saying you like TS. Or K-pop. Or feminine games (despite many " masculine" games having much more toxic players). It just keeps going. Forever and ever. Why do you think pick-me girls really exist?
Yeah, actually why should it be even called "girly"/feminine when it's fashion or anything related to care/domestic chores, which is something I've also struggled to understand I mean fashion is for everyone, right? The designers can be everyone so wth. is it stereotyped, designated as feminine or girly not to forget there's also even fashion for animals/pets so wth the feminine & girly stereotype and propaganda surely it's not only female who like, design or need fashion/ clothes etc.? I always disliked it when some even went as far when male/masculine people liked fashion to call them disgustin/girly/gay etc. when they're in fact interested in creating, styling & designing or the opposite when someone who's feminine/female doesn't like this or feel they don't have any affinity with certain things. Why do you even have to endure what others dictating what you should like or what's supposed to be suitable for you as they aren't you? It's sickening how far some people go with this. I wonder how many were discouraged/harmed due all of this. It's really mindblowing how outrageous people can be & how far they'll to designate roles & limiting people I think people went off track & got derailed due to this now were back to finally realizing how bad ,damaging & limiting it is when it goes too far.
I'm a cis guy in his 30's and I nearly cried at work with how happy and excited I was when I saw this reveal during the direct at my desk. I have been such a die-hard fan of the series since I picked up Style Savvy back on the DS forever ago. A few of my friends thought I was joking around when I said I was most excited for this!! Its such a bummer so few games have anything to do with fashion (aside from the occasional dress up game like you mentioned)
This reminds me of when I was buying one of the Style Boutique games at a game shop and I was made fun of by a male employee. He said something along the lines of ‘that’s my favourite game’ in a sarcastic, mocking tone. It was upsetting to me that I was being made to feel less than for playing a game based on fashion. The misogyny against femme games is so real.
Just remembered when I used to start the first style savvy game on my DS. Sometimes I was finding my character dressed in Mad-Jack outfits (I never wore this brand) and my boutique changed accordingly. It was my little brother playing it behind my back. It used to make me upset (he never let me touch his games lmao) but in retrospect I'm glad he got to experiment with his sense of style with this game. He eventually stopped but the last few times he played it, he was using AZ-USA. And despite not caring about fashion today, his tastes could be considered a turned down version of AZ-USA. Just a sweet memory I wanted to share. AND PROOF THAT FASHION GAMES ARE NOT ONLY FOR GIRLS.
@@brittany590 like they’re one to talk 😭 its obvious they’re biased towards one genre of videogames, the least they could is be respectful towards others and their different favorite genres. But oh right, most ppl like that are men, and we know how shit their communities can be.
Yesss. Fashion games being seen as a childish and 'girly'(derogatory in their eyes) will always make me roll my eyes. It provides the same appeal as something akin to Packing or Animal Crossing. I grew up going against 'girly' and 'feminine' things and yet the game was always a blast for me. If anything, it helped to cultivate my personal style and, as you said, express myself. Nowdays I embrace my femininity and adore babydoll style to probably my younger self's horror. The style is pricy so it provides me a comfort to play it in game.
As an agender blob of a person, Style Savvy lets me play around with aesthetics I wouldn't even touch in real life in a safe way. I can't wait for Fashion Dreamer! ☺️
Yes! Well said. It’s disappointing that something like fashion is so easily brushed off, especially when a ton of popular fashion designers are men! This should be right up their alley, honestly. 😂 I get so tired of people looking at stuff like this and saying, “Meh” and treating it like it’s a worthless genre. Have I given them grief about their silly first person shooters? Boring repetitive play and they love it but I’m ridiculous for enjoying styling, design, and creativity? Give me a rainbow of colors over gritty realism any day. My gosh. I think I treasure these kinds of games so much because I rarely get to experience them.
Granted you're not likely to hear someone say "Does this Desert Eagle make my hips look big?" but there is some creativity with weapon and character skins, if you're willing to take the time. Heck, syn sophia's founders sowed the seeds of their fashion coordination with some of the WWE games... ...then again, I'm a sucker for any sort of character or equipment customization in games... RPGs for one, and the Style Savvy series for another. Dressing up is a puzzle of sorts...
Shoot, I’m a guy and I’m all for this. I love fashion games. I used to use be addicted to this app called Zepeto. I need this game to come out right now!! Lol
This video honestly made me emotional. These people truly don’t even know how important games like these are or how important even just a playable Princess (Peach) can be to people! Thank you so much for speaking up for us!
I work in a game shop with around 15 staff and like half the people in my store came in SUPER excited about this game! Yes, most of us are girls but we got a gay, a they AND even my straight male partner on board! Dudes who play as chicks in games would LOVE this shit I'm sure of it. They only turned their heads to avoid looking a little too interested. I think that's really a thing too. I could 100% see a guy being called creepy for liking this in the same way they are for liking "girly" animes.
yup the last part hits the nail on the head! the awkward shuffling, nervous (masked as condescending) laughter, glancing around and averting your eyes as obviously as possible. All tactics to make sure you're not associated with anything vaguely feminine. A fear deeply rooted in mysogyny and homophobia
Personally I'm a 17y/o guy and im super excited for this game )-: kind of dissapointed people are still being shallow about a "girly" game in 2023, they should just let themselves have fun lmao
feminine gaming is so underrated. i'm not one to play fps games or competitive games, i much rather to let my creativity flow through dress up and fashion games yet people act like that's a crime or something to be laughed at. makes me sad the gaming community is so misogyonistic in nature when it's like .. meant to bring people together and whatnot. anyways, misogyonistic gamers booooo tomato tomato tomato
The amount of times I've heard "you don't look like a gamer" when they are surprised of my knowledge, since I collect for many systems... It's sad. What does a gamer look like? I think any and everyone could be a gamer if they enjoy videogames. I also remember playing Need for Speed against a friend on my sister's pink Playstation 2. He said he lost because he way playing with a pink controller... As if he just couldn't admit to himself that he lost from a girl. A girl that plays just like any other gamer. Because gender doesn't matter in gaming, at all.
Wait, you had a pink PS2? Man, we got ripped off here in North America; we had black bulky, black slim, and maybe a white slim that was a store display. I guess if you're playing a game of any sort, for that moment you are in fact a gamer. Maybe you're hitting the links, or guiding Link through the hedge, or finding the proper cut of a hedge for your gardenscape or whatever, it matters not.
Thank you so much for this video!!! You’re so well spoken!! Style Savvy 2 was a safe haven for my (at the time unknown) trans identity and it just let me explore a side of me that let me be free. I was quite upset when a friend of mine told me that when Fashion Dreamer was announced he said he “looked at the timestamp and wondered how long the direct would be.” Fashion Dreamer is a game I’ve been hoping would come out for a long time, and even tho I engage in “traditionally male” titles, FD is something that I’ve been excited about since the announcement!
Aw, thank you so much ! That's such a sweet relationship to have with the game and I'm glad it could offer you some comfort - also, nothing wrong with loving and playing masculine games, I just wish there was more of a balance in the pool of games greenlit for release ! 💙🤍💖
The style savvy series molded my childhood and tbh it inspired me so much to be more creative and express myself creatively through art and fashion. Fashion is truly magical💖 Fashion games are for everyone. It’s 2023 like get over yourself. There’s a lot of people who enjoy this series. There’s a whole warm community who truly enjoys the series and shares their outfits and create stories and connect with fellow members of the community. This game was a true escape for me when I was a kid. The inner queer kid in me literally cried when I saw this game announced.
oof those trailer reactions... guess i've successfully curated my online experience and the most negative take i heard from cis men was "this probably isn't for me, but i'm glad that it's going to exist for the people that wanted it" which is really all i need. low bar haha. i was so excited during this announcement, and i'm really glad that nintendo decided it was worth featuring in their direct to get more eyes on this game. if it's anything close to its predecessors, it deserves it!
Exactly, it’s an escape. I’m a pan male that loves the style Savvy games they are relaxing, easy to pick up and play for an hour or so for me. I’ve always been interested in fashion since middle school. I will play and do whatever I love and won’t let anyone tell me otherwise ⭐️ fight on!
Yes I feel this too when otome (visual novel romance for women) games are announced I noticed many men shun them but they are in fact some of the most detailed visual novels with really good stories - not just romance!❤️
Style Savvy/ Style Boutique was my childhood and i popped off so hard when i saw the direct. My parents didn't forbid from playing the game but they always judged me from behind since it was "girly". As you said videogames are videogames and everyone should be allowed to enjoy them regardless of their gender bruh. I really hope Fashion Dreamer sells well so we keep getting games
It would be nice to have more customised options for body types within the game rather than just slightly adjusting the height. Although, I can understand why they don't from a developer perspective. For each range in body type measurements, the game artists will have to create a whole other asset for the not just the character but also to adjust all the clothing items to fit the new model, so there's no clipping issues. I know there are a lot of items in this game. Not only is it that they'd have to adjust the models but also re-Rig the clothes and character models. Overall, if they wanted to go the extra mile, they could, but it's unlikely to see that happen.
Do you have any indie fashion game recommendations? If you’re open to ideas, a “top indie fashion games of 2023” video would be awesome! My wife is looking for more fashion games to play and she’s burning through the style savvy series at an alarmingly fast pace! Fashion dreamer won’t hold her for long! Help is needed! 👗
I wish there were less of a drought of fashion games! I will consider making a video on games where fashion is a heavy focus, though... Thank you for your idea!
As a gay guy, I’ve always leaned towards things that are seen as mostly feminine. I just ignore what people think, and just enjoy my time doing what I love.
Im so glad this video showed up in my recommendations, I loved style savvy growing up and the fact that a game like it is coming to switch and that no one cares about it really upset especially since people view it as a girly dress up game.
Very well said! It's sad in this day and age that people still react this way towards to anything remotley femenine. Games are created as an escape from reality and to entertain. This sort of gatekeeping towards the gaming community is one of the reasons why femenine games are lacking in media and players who enjoy them feel discouraged to play. We have no problems with masculine games so hopefully they could say the same to feminine ones
As a straight cis male who is exploring his feminine side, I’ve been interested in Fashion Dreamer since its initial announcement. I’ve been on the lookout for a quality fashion game on Switch, so I will be checking out Fashion Dreamer when it comes out.
This is such a well rounded adressment of so many peoples unheard voices on this, thank you so much for saying it! I hope this video gets the attention it well deserves, and I'll be sure to share it too.
Im a Japanese Game dev and Im really glad youve talked about these things. I remember playing Girls Mode(style savvy) when I was younger and hiding it from my guy friends because i was scared of being made fun of. But truth is is that is a really fun game. As for the whole fashion games being market towards kids... its really sad isnt it... My hope is that one day ill be able to start my own company to make games that cater to more people...
As a trans feminine person I am really hyped for this game. The only thing I wich this game is going to have is multiple body types. (Just as you mensioned) I had no idea there were earlier games in the series. Now I know what my next game is. Thank you for making this video.
this makes me so happy because these games are perfect for transfems or other feminine people wanting to experiment with their gender expression and style. i bet you will love the game
I don’t really watch other people react to directs anymore cause people are usually toxic, so I didn’t even think of how others reacted. This was the game I was most excited for in the direct and I literally don’t remember anything else from the direct 😭💀. I screamed when this game was shown! I literally remember when the switch was first released and I was in like early high school. I remember thinking ‘omg I wonder if they’ll put Style Savvy on switch’. Somewhat unrelated but after seeing Barbie stuff like this is twice as depressing to me 😭. We really do live in a society 🤡
I lovedd this video. Especially because I just got the style savvy games and have been playing the heck out of them the past few days. Only two days till I find out that there would be a new one for the switch. I hope it will be good! I loved all the points and everything you said
Great video! Thought I’d share some of my thoughts but want to preface that I’m a straight, white, dude who has never played any of the other titles referenced in the video. Sorry for the essay in advance 🙏 I haven’t been following info about the game too much since it was announced, but as someone who spends at least an hour in character creators in pretty much any game I play, I kinda got a bit excited at the prospect of a game entirely built around this customizing my character. Regarding the decontstructive negativity that was mentioned in the video, I believe it to be very unwarranted. Especially considering the emphasis in most modern games on cosmetics. While most games dont sell their “fashion” as a flagship feature like Fashion Dreamers is doing, it is undeniably an integral part of so many games. My initial thoughts bring me to MMOs where in most communities most players would agree that “fashion is the true endgame”. I feel most people who express unreasonable disgust/negativity toward a game like fashion dreamers just do not have respect for people who don’t share their own interests, and that the best way to handle them is to dismiss their complaints, as while addressing them to an extent is warranted, someone who doesn’t use logic to come to a conclusion won’t be convinced of another conclusion through logic. I’ll probably pick up this game when it comes out to see what it’s like. I know most of my friends that I play games with wouldn’t pick it up cuz it’s not for them, which is fine. But I could see them giving me a hard time for trying it out. But what can I do about it really? Just laugh about it and enjoy the game. At the end of the day even if it is “a game for my sister” who cares? We should be glad that she gets a game that she can enjoy.
When i was a teen (born in 1994) I was a huge tomboy but still liked "girl" things I wore alot of blue But dressed up when appropriate I played the heck out of style savvy trendsetters and loved it These kind of games are relaxing and perfect for rainy days or anyday I miss the games i use to play on the 3ds and wii u And i absolutely hope to see more come to the switch or any handheld console ❤
Thank you for this, I love Joel and it broke my heart a bit to hear him say that. Ever since Flash was purged my want for a creative feminine game has been let down time and time again. I work hard to make and design my own dressup games on picrew to fill this gap. Its all I have and its still looked down upon despite all the work put in by individuals
Still playing Style Savvy almost weekly. Any downtime I have has been spent color collecting(finally finished), miniature collecting, and still trying to get all the clothes over all the games. During this time though, it’s been rough waiting these 5 long years for a new game. Although this isn’t entirely what I was looking for as the “next release in the Style Savvy franchise”, I’m excited nonetheless!!!
Im so excited for this game! I love Style Boutique- i own all 4 games and still play them to this day and im 35 lol. I also play many other fashion games as well. But i love most game genres too. I love how creative you can be and how relaxing and lighthearted games like this really are. Yes they can have cheesy dialogue but that doesnt take away from how awesome they are. 😊
I really liked this video, everything you said was on point, and i really feel like people should give a chance to girly games, because that doesn't make them silly, or bad. As a guy interested in this kind of games, i really feel that people should learn to be more open about feminine things, and stop misjudging people just because of what they like. I'm very excited for the game, and i hope people give it a chance because it really seems to be a nice, creative game that people can enjoy. Thank you for taking about the game, i hope this community can grow 💖🎀
Fashion is a form of art. There are barely any decent games purely based upon fashion, on consoles at least, fashion centric games are rare and we've been starved of content since the 3ds. To laugh at it is not just stupid, its pretty immature and shows you can't see what a huge hole in the market this is. Ive been wanting a game like Style Boutique to come to the switch for ages now and here it is. Looks like the devs seem to be improving and working on it, from what ive heard earlier trailers seemed a lot barer on potential gameplay options. Even if its not your cup of tea, at least try to appreciate the creative ideas and potential behind it. Just think. A virtual space where you can create in terms of fashion, aesthetic and design, without having to buy a flip ton of stuff in real life, without having to worry about materials, sourcing and disposal of objects. A virtual playground where you can create to your hearts content anything that is fashion/design related, all to your personal tastes. No limits. Well, sorta, but the ceiling is pretty high from the looks of things. Within the limits of the game, which obviously can be futher updated to include more and more and more, and i hope they do even after it releases to keep adding to it. Its an art lovers dream. (Fashion is a form of art, i specifically refering to art in terms of people who enjoy design and asthetic, not just fashion, or literal pieces of art someone painted, i refer to broader terms of art enjoyers.) This fosters creativity and learning yourself and what you like as well as being able to share and learn from others too. Its a great idea. People who say stupid stuff like, "thats a game your little sister would play, its just for little girls" are so backwards thinking they cant see what a good idea this is and they cant understand, that full ass grown adults are interested in forms of art that isnt just painting or taking photos, or designing rooms, fashion is form of art too. I personally am interested in all forms of art (hell i work in the food industry currently, food is an art too (as well as a science) and anyone who says otherwise is pretty unaware and silly), anything creative just gets me going and that trailer gave me hope for a new, shiny, potential outlet for it. I'll not have these people tarnish my opportunity to get my hands of something like this, in as good a quality as it deserves to be in. I sincerely hope the developers are not downhearted by this and keep making the game because i am all here for it. Keep going guys your doing a great job! (Btw i tried to break this rant up into easier to read bits cus i know i can go on a bit and it can look intimidating, and if you read this far thanks for reading and feel free to share your opinions too, just be prepared as always, for debates to break out, as they do tend to in youtube comment sections, passionate people tend to butt heads, hopefully we can all at least understand, the other side, if we dont agree)😅 That said, talking bout debates i do slightly disagree with the "its feminine" viewpoint. Sure a lot of feminine folks are interested in fashion, and a lot of the time fashion is demonstrated in a femine way, but fashion is not a purely feminine form of art. No art is purely one or the other, its art. At the end of the day i see it like that. I dont see it as feminine or masculine. To me its just art and i love it all the same, in any form it comes in, feminine, masculine or otherwise. 😊 Edit: (and I can't believe I didn't say it but as much as people over use this phrase to death, it is pretty true.) Fashion is a form of expression. And I'm all here for it! 👍
Everybody likes dress-up games. It is a fact. Skyrim, dark souls, and an infinite list of male-oriented games include dress-up as a core part of their experience, but when such experience is catered to more femenine-oriented people, it is treated as a joke and a "type of game that your sister would play". Oh, the hypocrisy. Not blaming Joel, I also like his content, but saying those things about a dress-up game when EVERY YEAR he hosts a wwe-game-tournament thingy with characters that he created... He might have played more dress-up games than me just by doing that! I don't really understand! Anyway, nice video! I recomend Moon's channel video about girl-games, it is such an interesting topic! Also games need more pink!!!!!! Bye!!!!!!!!!
They're assuming that it's slapped together shovelware because it's aimed at women and girls, that's it. Little do they know that the developer is actually very well regarded in Japan and has a great track record - in fact, they used to make wrestling games, several of which are regarded as the best wrestling games ever made.
This is a fantastic and thought-provoking video. You’re really good at this. Keep it up! Personally, I’m a guy in my early 30s, and I’m just as excited for this as I am any other game that’s coming out this month. It’s a shame that so many people (men) aren’t willing to step out of their comfort zone and try something new. Or, at the very least, be willing to respect people who would enjoy games like this one, instead of making a joke of it.
i made this comment months ago and just now found out i somehow posted it on the wrong video ???? but ANYWAYS THANK YOU FOR THIS. you illustrated my thoughts exactly with outstanding eloquence. this deserves so much more attention. men have been coddled in the gaming sphere since it's genesis (pun intended) with their interests and preferences constantly catered to. god forbid they have to sit through a minute of something made for another demographic at an event which is, at its core, for all users of the nintendo switch. the immaturity is palpable. video games are for everyone and everyone deserves games that appeal to them. i know that i and many others are excited for a new installment in the style savvy series. they are wonderful games that have a place in the switch catalogue.
I only watched 2 reactions videos of the direct and both had positive reactions, so I was surprised and even shocked to see people go out of their way to hate on the game. Guess I found one of the only cis guys interested in this kind of game xD
@@chu-chuns Yes indeed, we need more stereotype breakers when it comes to this seemingly niche videogame genre! Plus, seeing people excited and overjoyed at obscure titles like this( I also lost it over the new Katamari and Fantasy Life surprise announcement drops), is such a pure, wonderful feeling in knowing that someone knows quality when they see it or are elated to see a beloved series get a title on the Switch!
Style savvy is top tier; S tier even when it comes to “girly” games. It shows the kind of potential games targeted to girls usually don’t get. As a 90’s baby & gay gamer growing up, I would be curious & sometimes play the “girly” games but I would quickly get bored of them because of how lackluster they usually were, & it’s because the idea always has been gaming is more of a “boy thing” or “girls don’t play video games” so most companies would be so lazy as to put out something that felt dumb down & unfortunately I think this is why this mindset still exists because many don’t understand the impact that style savvy has & why fashion dreamer is such a big deal to get on Nintendo direct. Like style savvy was a breathe of fresh air (at least for me) & was very much excited when I heard it was coming back, it was literally the highlight of the direct for me. I really hope this becomes a massive hit & starts a trend for “girl” games.
kinda off topic, but how is everyone feeling about the new structure of the game? i loooooved style savvy/style boutique but i really enjoy the actual boutique way of managing your own store and having other nice places you can go to in your little town. from the teasers so far we see this white area where you walk around and just talk to people to grow as an influencer, not as an entrepreneur anymore, which i'm kind of unsure about. anyone else feeling the same way?
I agree 100% I dislike the concept of not having a boutique anymore and just walking on the streets. I hope they bring it back or if it’s at least optional
That's why I was super happy when they announced the new peach game and I was like finallyyyy. Fashion Designer type games help me feel happy and relaxed can't wait to play the new game
I'm man and unfortunately never get a DS and never have the chance to play style savy and wait for so long for a switch release so i'm really hype about fashion dreamer it's my dream to became a fashion designer who come true with this game 😁 and i'm agree about the fact people still put genders on things like games and toys but i guess the mentality is not about to change right now
I'm trans masc and use they or he pronouns but I'm still "Feminine" by a lot of standards. I've also been a gamer my entire life with a focus on RPGs, Action Adventure, Life Sims, and later MOBAs. While I've never owned a DS or 3DS I've enjoyed the Style Savvy series immensely. I enjoy things like customizing and styling. Spend a lot of money on cosmetics in the games I play (Genshin, League of Legends, Lost Ark, etc) and it's no surprise to me that I enjoy games in this niche as well. Luckily, I have a switch. Which means I'll be able to support Fashion Dreamer when it launches, because it's a niche of gaming that is woefully ignored. :)
I'm also not ashamed to admit I'm Very Curious about the Nikki RPG that's been shown. The mobile games have.... a not so great model imho (I find it a bit predatory and that's coming from a Genshin player), but.... RPGs tend to be different. So I'm really curious how that'll develop. Because it looks damned interesting.
Bloke here in his 30s, I have just found out about this, and im so happy, still have the first 3, Ill tell you a bit about myself, I love this sorta thing simply because i am a blunt man, I wished for a dollhouse when i was young, not because i was questioning who i am or any other silly reason or weird intention, Im just honest with what i like and i really dont care if someone is going to eye roll me for it, and in actual fact it was the 3rd game that my ex kept saying i like kids games, she never believed i was actually into it, the day it released and my birthday week at that, of course i was going out my way to pick it up. When i was young i thought it was pretty silly that boys toys vs girls toys thing, And i hated that because honestly i didnt care what it was, if i thought it was cool i would of played with it as a child, As for the dollhouse, I would use my skills to build / sew things together, because whilst it may just be a static "toy" its the things that you do for them, skills you gain in your own time that put the picture together, chasing your own miniaturized dream, It makes my brain work and i like that. The typical gamer is often after a game they can pour time in and say they are the best, To me, competitive games are just disposable, but also there is a stigma of budget games like SS (Style boutique for me) needs to fight against, their minds are saying "Whos going to play this" where those people are never going to touch it to be frank, and for the rare few, its the game style they always wanted, but dont know it exists. As for the game itself, regarding body type, yeah i would love full customization, but i do feel that its more of an art direction that its not changed, im sure the dev team could make anything look and fit so well in that world, but also it does cost development time even if they had a basic slider system, and how the textures alter on the clothing might cause problems and sometimes clipping if not done well, If its not directly for an art direction, then its just for simplicity, and I like simplicity.
I saw a Tiktok of a guy who summarised the direct and said something along the lines of: Well, and this the game for the 12 year old girls. I found this to be very upsetting and called him out. This kind of behaviour is honestly just mysoginy with a sprinkle of toxic masculinity. "Oh no, if I am caught looking at the screen while the fashion video is playing somebody will make fun of me for being interested in girly stuff!" Simone De Beauvoir wrote that quote 1949. 75 years later and we as women are still just living in a men's world and I am so sick of this! Thank you for bringing light to this topic with your video.
yes, thank you for making this video! the style savvy series is so important to me, even as someone who isn’t particularly feminine, so it made me disappointed to see this kind of reaction from a few. sadly it’s not surprising to me considering how long this attitude has been in the gaming community, i hope it’s able to improve as more people bring it to light
Im an average guy. Im so excited for this game. I was introduced to style savvy by Jimmy whetzel and KitaNashgaming videos. I remembered an old Sakurai quote about trying to find the fun in all games and gave it a shot. I must of spent like 50 hours addicted to style savvy fashion forward. Its disappointing to see the reaction to the direct trailer for Fashion Dreamer but I understand. That being said...Girl that 8 minute long trailer was super helpful! The ability to craft your own designs and all those customization option is enticing. Showroom reminds me of the Dollhouse feature. I hope the dialogue has as much charm as Style Savvy did on the DS. Your video was a great find 👍
I was disappointed at first since I though it was a ripoff but after seeing it was by syn Sophia got hyped again. Regardless it really is unfortunate that many brush this game off as a ”game for young girls” when it can be enjoyed by anyone. I recall discovering Style Savvy Styling Star and being afraid to show my love for it initially as I feared many would thing it’s weird for someone who identifies as male to play a game like this. Though I learned to not care as games are for everyone. Sometimes the gaming community as a whole seems to forget that especially when discussing stuff like easy difficulties or accessibility features.
I misunderstood your title at first. After watching the video, I think perhaps you mean “under represented”, and not actually “misrepresented”? I love the Style Savvy games, and I also happen to like baby games. I’m in my 50s and I think the babies are adorable, and the game play usually isn’t stressful (although the old Imagine Babyz was a bit of a stylus nightmare). Die hard gamers say things like “that’s so creepy”, etc. And killing people and zombies isn’t creepy? Designing worlds and homes is cool, but designing fashion is silly? Absolutely absurd.
Feminine video games are also considered less than masculine games. This includes games that have mainly female players. You're not considered a real gamer by so many guys if you play cozy games. Apparently farming games, animal crossing, dress-up games, life sims etc aren't real gaming material because they don't require you to shoot enemies or grind a level. This makes no sense. I'd like to argue that games like Breath of the Wild and Cult of the Lamb have very similar gameplay loops to some of these cozy games, yet they are considered "real games"? Like you said, what makes a game? Doesn't being a "gamer" just mean you like video games? Does it matter which ones? Why are the ones with predominantly male fans the ones considered real games?
Yeah true, same goes opposite some guys generally don't believe it when they see a girl admitting they're female on certain games, they're like çit's a lie girls don't play fps games they only like to play casual & cosy, sandbox simulation stuff you're not the norm" & when they find out you really aren't a guy well brave yourself for some pervy messages, luckily this not always the case but yeah itxs not strange to assume this is the norm. You'd definitely get reactions like you're "probably a dude...", " show a selfie/picture or I won't believe you're a girl". Some masculine/men feel the need to create a female/femine character due lack of customization when it comes to outfit or because they dislike to play as masculine/male in some games or imagine a feminine/female person liking to play with a male/masculine char that's mindblowing to some.
I'm nonbinary, and 25, and I am incredibly excited for fashion dreamer - I shied away from fashion and beauty games growing up because they were "feminine" and despite loving to design clothes and style outfits both from my closet and my friends', I was never made comfortable to do that outside of very close relationships - definitely not at home with my family. It was only after I discovered Japanese and Korean fashion subcultures (as I was studying both Japanese and Korean and wanted to not just learn the language, but about the everyday people too), that I started being comfortable showing an interest in fashion and beauty games - I even eventually managed to secure a lot of the games I saw other kids playing growing up or played at friends houses - like the Bratz PS2 games, and some fashion-based DS titles. I was a gamer growing up - my favourites included Spyro, Crash, and a wide variety of RPGs. honestly, now, I don't care if people know I play "childish" or "brightly coloured" games, I have friends I can share them with, and we will love them regardless, and I think that's okay.
The irony of it all is that most gamers love when they can personalize their characters in games. Which is literally dress up. Everyone enjoys expressing themselves with clothes, but as a society we are trained at a young age to view feminine things as shallow and boring. Tho I guess most of the games aimed at girls being shovelware didn't help, but again, I think devs made girl games that are shallow and boring specifically because they consider girly things to be shallow and boring
I avoided this game cuz of it being pricey but also cuz atm I was scared that it'd just be a super dress up game like ya said or that atm itd make it seem like I was gay. Obviously I learned a lot better since than but after ur vid and learning how extensive it is and being a very hyper feminine guy I might buy it if it goes on sale, maybe. Also I dabble in fashion occasionally but the fashion world tends to think nudity is fashion sometimes so I very cautious and dabble lightly anymore
Personally I CANNOT wait for this game. I am so excited to finally have a game to express myself how I want. My parents are very conservative with gender stuff and I was born male but love love love being feminine. I have spent countless hours making my animal crossing island cute and playing dress up making cute outfits as a girl in it too. I am so excited to have a full fashion/dress-up type game I just can’t even express it!!!
sucks that so many people already don't like this game im a transmasc femboy and ive never played a style savvy game but i have played a bunch of shopaholic games and i can't wait for fashion dreamer to come out
I’m a guy and I am itching for this game. I need a release date or something!! I could play this game nonstop!! I’m looking forward to meeting some friends to enjoy this game with too.
Thank you for this! Unfortunately this misogyny is present in many nerd spaces, from the groans whenever an otome game is announced, or the annoyance for shojo and josei anime and manga fans. It saddens me to see so many (mostly cishet male) gamers immediately reject Fashion Dreamer, when not only does it bring a breath of fresh air to a male-dominated space, but it's also a way to get feminine folks into video games! I know I never would have branched out into the world of gaming if it wasn't for the original Style Savvy, and I'm a transmasc person!
Different gamers like Different types of games. I like adventure, RPGs, fighting, horror and design/fashion games. Not everyone does, so I don't think it's rejection as much as it is lack of interest. It's like if you go to a buffet and you pick out your food; you pick what you like or want to try and leave what you don't for someone else to enjoy.
It’s so small minded of gamers to rule out games they deem lower value just bc it doesn’t please them. It’s conceited to believe their demographic is the only demographic to be catered to. And for developers, I think they should up their game. This potential is HUGE. Otome, fashion, and cozy games are growing because their are a large majority of feminine players wanting that desire. Imagine mixing all three genres? Add in horses?! My game! Anyone remember the Barbie dress up game? That sold so many copies! I remember I watched a video on that. The amount of MONEY to create such games and they are just missing out because of sexism and ignorance. Btw if anyone is interested in other fashion games, I am currently playing Love Nikki. It’s an app game and though it isn’t the best because you can’t buy the game, you pay gems (that sort of thing) it is the most comprehensive fashion game I’ve ever played and I can tell the amount of thought put into it and respect for it’s players.
as a guy (trans guy but eh whatever not the point) who never stopped loving 'girly' things like magical girls or fashion it sorta breaks my heart how often being bullied or teased for such 'girly games' happen- like to me this genuinely was my happiest announcement ever I've been over the moon since- it's everything I wanted. boys fashion boy makeup even boys with long hair and the girl fashion too is soo good! but there's this certain... dislike that it feels isolating with things that feature the creative being isolated. Games that focus on the art or creating or styling or aren't scared to show off pink and big dresses. If it doesn't have maths or this huge overarching plot then many people thing its akin to shovelware. But it's not. It's fashion at its core- it captures the entire fashion experience as a whole. Ever since the first game it was just, amazing. In general it's like this with farming sim games too or the like. People who turn their head at it, not even bothering to be happy for those waiting for this. Like I'm not saying run off and love 'girly fashion game'. It's just, respect it more, you know? But it just feels like games like style savvy ends up the butt of the jokes (like its little inclusion for example in smash bros and how the fandom there acted...) it's frustrating, honestly. Fashion and 'girly' media is not a one-sided gendered thing. It can be enjoyed by anyone; it's an art, a form of expression. It's honestly very powerful to embrace it despite the stigma around... liking 'girly' things. Precure, lolita clothes, cute pastel gamer pc setups- so on and so forth, it's so so nice to see people embrace it. It causes more harm than good anyways to try to force it to be this, one-sided negative thing, yk? granted I'm just rambling here, and I apologize, but truly an amazing video captures the point to a T. I'm super excited for the game, and I know many others are too, and hey isn't that what matters in the long run, haha? Cheers again for the great video commentary ❤
I guarantee the most of the protesters were only wearing their finest hoodie and sweatpants while watching too, like... maybe it'd do you good to pick up a fashion game
I don’t read to much into its in usa which third game did not do well in usa it did in Europe, UK & Japan i feel it will do well i am extremely excited & a gay guy an been playing since very first game 😀
I guess I'm lucky I can't relate to most of these comments, feminine things and being into them has been something I've been praised for. I have had more men find it cute/charming that I like games like this than mock me for it, so I am kinda surprised. Cultural differences?
It's exciting to see another person excited about these sorts of games. I've been trying for a while now to build up a community around these more feminine-oriented titles. I don't quite agree with all of your political stances shared here (as I am conservative), but I do agree with your take and analysis of the gaming space when it comes to femininity. Glad to see more people speaking up about this :)
I just wish ppl where more open fashion is an artform to express ones self in what they wear both inter and outerform, most just dress practicaly, others just dress up to make them fell something if not anything,some dress to truely express who they identify as not restricted by gender norms and dress as freely as possible, im the type of person who generally love seeing ppl who dress for fun and not be let down by gender norms set by others.seeing ppl turn there heads and not treating a fashion game as just art to express ones most interself its kinda odd if they just gave it a shot and looked maybe ppl who have a second opinion on it but who am i to judge, its me tryin to get my hopes up and haveing more ppl opened to a new form / idea of and artform that effects r lives day by day.
I fell in love with the game when I saw it. I am a trans girl, and I want to be a character designer... My only outlet for experimenting around with clothes is in drawings, and it is frustrating. Even now that i am confortable buying femenine clothes in real life, i feel frustrated with the options I find both in real life and the bad quality of online clothes... I really want to play around, to not have to worry about quality and prices, I just want to get creative and try stuff until I feel like i designed something great. Either to use for a character in the future or to buy for myself. If I'm being honest, the only reasons why I bought animal crossing new horizons and pokemon sword was due to the character customization. Animal crossing felt too slow, pokemon felt kinda meh after a while... And the newest pokemon game tossing most of the choices of clothes to the way side felt like a bad blow... So... I am really glad that there is a game dedicated to fashion like this. I hope we get an actual release date soon. It's just the sort of game I have been waiting for for years n. n
I think it should be fine for a series to not have mature themes and taboo topics. I feel it's kind of adjacent with what you're talking about, many gamers immediately dismiss everything they deem childish too. Even such such highly acclaimed series like Mario often meets ridicule from "dudebro" gamers for being childish, smaller games are hurt much more.
Perhaps as you can tell from my pfp, I am agender/genderless. I wouldn't even really consider myself a majority feminine person. People are capable of being masculine, feminine, androgynous, and potentially even something else entirely all at the same time and/or in a fluid and/or fluctuating state like I am. You can even be majority masculine and still enjoy feminine things. Style Savvy really helped me explore my intrest in alt fashion before I could explore it myself. I, who am lolita, like just as much to dress super masculine and majority of the time strive for androgyny or something so out of the box people can't pinpoint it at all. It's okay to be even the slightest bit feminine. It's okay for femininity to exist. That includes in video games.
This is completely unrelated to the fact that this game gets rejected just for being a fashion game, but I feel like Fashion dreamer is gonna be such a step back compared to the style savvy games.
I really want to like this game, but I have low hopes that I will. More diverse body and gender representation, as well as less "mainstream" fashion styles like goth, punk, etc. would be needed to really push it's popularity.
I should save up to buy a switch lite to play this game. Funny thing even though I’m black, in fashion games like Life Makeover and Shining Nikki representation was never really an issue for me. I know players like to make avatars that look like them so I understand the desire for representation, but I never wanted to recreate myself , I liked making fictional characters. But yes fashion games should have representation and hopefully Fashion Dreamer will have representation .
