The MMQB’s Albert Breer on the Lingering Belichick/Robert Kraft Bad Blood | The Rich Eisen Show 

He’s making himself look bad. I always thought he understood what Jerry never has: if you win, you get a ton of credit. Don’t surrender to ego. Win. Then the accolades will come.

Or Bill really sucks to work with?

@@TheMattTrakker he won 6 Super Bowl. He’s probably a sociopath. Mr “no risk it, no biscuit” fun time Charlie got one and the wheels came off the wagon. To win six, a person isn’t normal. And probably demanding and difficult.

How about Bill's reputation on how he handled Brady. F-ck BB

How about Bill's reputation on how he handled Brady. F-ck BB

That's unfair. He had more than his hand in this, he rubbed & tugged a lot of things to make them happen. At the end of the day I hope it's a happy ending.

The kraft shaft

BB's legacy had already been muddied and dirtied by dumping on Brady. BB had a chance to prove the Dynasty was all about him and the opposite was true. He was nothing without Brady and Brady won a SB without him immediately the year he joined the Bucs.

@@JohnSmith-nj4zq that’s not what happened. Brady didn’t look great his last season in NE. Patriots didn’t have enough weapons. TB12 joined a stacked team and steered them to a chip. The one criticism is that BB may - like everyone else - have underestimated TB12 at the end. But he wasn’t trying to prove anything. He was doing what he always does: move on before the person sucks. Anyway … the anti-BB stuff is just absurd stupidity. Great coaches must have a QB. Name one multiple SB winner without a good QB. But you must have a great coach, too. Marino and Rogers underachieved bc they never had great coaches. BB and TB12 are Lennon and McCartney. You can’t separate them.

@@JohnSmith-nj4zq Then I can tell you don't remember the 1st 3 Superbowls. Those were won by the defense. Brady was just asked not to turn the ball over. He did not turn into the Tom you are talking about till after the 1st 3 Suoerbowls.

@@17NateJohnson Bill was in charge of Roster construction and drafting by the end of Brady's career as a Patriot. Therefore Brady didn't look good in that season because Bill took too much power and failed to build around Tom in the end. Also, do you not remember that he had his old D coordinator and Special Teams coach running the offense a couple years ago, right when Mac Jones started failing after a promising rookie season? He did some stupid things near the end of his time. It doesn't mean he wasn't at one point a great coach, but he did make some big mistakes at the end he didn't usually make. We have less info than the people involved. If there were issues BTS, I wouldn't be surprised considering some of the "Tactics" used by the Pats during his tenure and the choices made late in his career. If there were issues, it would make sense that he stopped tolerating the issues once the winning stopped. This situation of why didn't such a great coach get hired is similar to the Eric Bieniemy situation a few years ago. On the surface it appears Eric should have been a head coach, but information we didn't have told a different story. Then last season we find out Andy Reid was really the mastermind as the Commanders fail offensively with Eric in charge (with character issues and an inability to adjust to his team's strengths being revealed) and the Chiefs' Offense still plays well despite having less talent than in years past. We can comment on things and be outraged, but unless we are in the room, all we can go on is what we are given and what we can see. What we could see is a coach who had full control that shouldn't have played GM and should have had someone with enough authority besides the owner in the room to hold them accountable. Pete Carroll did that too and their drafts got ugly after the 2012 draft until the owner stepped in and they started drafting good in 2022, but by then the damage had been done to the roster. These last 2 drafts and the DK Metcalf pick are what saved the Seahawks from being a bottom 5 team. The Legacy damage to both Bill and Pete from those down seasons at the end was done already, we're just getting a public hint at the problems that were already there and more of what's already been exposed. There was already reported tension years ago about trading Jimmy G to the 49ers between Kraft and Bill.

@@17NateJohnsonNah the Dynasty showed Bills pettiness and ungrateful behavior towards Brady was embarrassing he wanted him gone in 2017 after he won a MVP Brady wanted to retire a Patriot and they would have been contenders if Brady brought in Gronk AB Fornette etc in 2020 2019 Patriots offensive cast was worse then last 4 years Brady played great in 2019 considering the trash offense he had to carry

That was his reputation he was called a Jerry jones wannabe the super bowls changed everything for him brady and belichick covered up for what Kraft truly was

That's a point

What was bill lmao

Because they didn’t have Brady I guarantee you if Pittsburgh drafted Brady in 2000 they win at least 6 rings maybe more

Bill has a losing record and no super bowls without Tom. Tom has a winning record and a Super Bowl without Bill. Case closed. The patriots were losers before Tom. They’re losers again.

Without Brady Belichick would be Steve spagnola

That is a true statement

@@johnwalsh9529 without Mahomes, Reid “can’t win the big one” … show me a great coach who wins without good or great QB play. Of course you need players …

@@17NateJohnsonExcept Bill is sub 500 without Tom. Andy did not win the big one but Andy won. Bill not so much. Without Tom Bill has won playoff game his entire career. I still like Bill as a coach just not as my GM.

@@johnwalsh9529I’ve been trying to explain this to people Belichick is a great DC but like a lot of good coordinators dont make good head coach’s just look at his entire coaching tree from NE they are all failures like he was without Brady

I hated the Pats so yes

Bills never coaching again and if he does he is never winning again. It’s over.

Funny. I was reading yiur comment just as Eisen brought it up and Breer answered him. Did you watch the whole vid?

Let's see if YOU feel you're on your deathbed and should be put out to pasture when YOU'RE 72!

And of course Goodell burned the tapes!

Is that English?

And he's right.

Do you think Tom Brady has 6 rings in New England if Belichich isn't the head coach?

@@Kfabiano10 I think it's more likely Brady would have 3 or more w/o Belichick than Belichick would have even one w/o Brady.

And what's bill Walsh's record without Montana or young or Noll's record without bradshaw? What's Reed's record without Mahommes? What a funny narrative. Dude has a game plan in the HOF. Get real. Dude is legit when it comes to football coaches. Stop playing with him.

But this is true of any coach. That is part of the reality that comes with the job. For a short time I coached swimming and got to rub shoulders with our national level coaches. The one's that were 'famous' were the ones that were doing it right ....but also had one or two perfect matches in terms of athletes walk through the door. Suddenly the coach finds themselves on a national and world stage. Like any relationship..there is a chemistry that needs to happen.

All coaches w multiple SB wins had star players. Brady gets a ton of credit. So does Bill and his staff, and other players. Brady is a big piece. It doesnt mean the roster and staff werent part of that.

Exactly!

You're comment is disingenuous. Belichick started with the Pats the same year as Brady. He was hired in 2020 same year Brady was drafted. Also, in the 1st 3 SBs, Belichick's D won those SBs for the PATS. TB12 was meh in those 1st 3 SBs. Belichick's D carried that team. He was also the Defensive Coordinator for the Giants when they were dominant in the 80's. So, without context, you're being revisionist with what actually happened.

He also was the only coach to take Brady in the draft, knowing they already had 3 QBs and kept 4 on the roster for the only time ever. Obviously seeing something in him. The dude has a game plan in the hall of Fame. Don't play with his pedigree as a coach. Listen to any of his former players talk and what do they say "he made the game easier, and what he said was gonna happen did happen".

@@pkpnyt4711Brady lead the NFL in Pass TDs in 2002 he was great it was debate between who was better Peyton vs Brady so he was at worst 2nd best QB which I still since 2003 maintained he was better then Peyton and was proven right on that

@@davis2k1234 His performance in the SB that year was decent at best. He did well in the regular season, but the D carried them throughout the playoffs.

Again he got the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs with Vinny testaverde. Then art model announced he was moving the team and the bottom fell out. So give it a rest on belichick.

Wow, now that would be yet another happy ending for Robert Kraft.

Well he should not get in.

He got the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs with Vinny testaverde. Then Art Modell announced he was moving the team and the the bottom fell out. So there's your history lesson.

So who are the 5 greatest coaches of all time then ?

You don’t know ball

@@lucasgales3008you don’t know jack

Have you seen him in that space ? Dude won an Emmy for the one time he was an analyst on the national stage. Stop it.

You OBVIOUSLY have not seen Bill do anything else but stomp around the sidelines. If you had seen him on some of these other shows as a commentator, you wouldn't say something so incredibly ignorant.

The doc was produced by the Kraft family. You need to understand that.