@@ibashcommunists6847 Super hero Comics would all be grim dark like The Boys or Invincible if they were even close to realistic. Guns alone make all but the bullet proof supes irrelevant. The only reason all the heroes below that power level get by is due to bad writing and plot armor. Like the ol hesitating super long to actually fire their guns thing that doesnt reflect reality at ALL. Then theres the fact that huge swathes of the people with super powers would be unpredictable due to stress and emotions or even corrupted by the power to the point of being bad.
The gun is more than a gun to Batman. It is what took the lives of his parents. It's what made Batgirl paralyzed. It's what the second Robin turned too, to fight crime as he turned into the Red Hood. The gun to Batman is a forbidden fruit. It's Batmans paradox to his code. But it's an escape to his pain. He could use the gun to incapacitate the criminals just like he does with his martial Arts. More effectively. And just like the GUN he could kill a criminal with his Martial Arts, many people have died with the right punch to the face. But in truth Batman has a phobia of the GUN and doesn't really align with his code. Though he has said before "live by the sword, die by the sword." I believe he was referring to the GUN.
Batman pushed himself as far as he could go with his crusade. He didn't stop when he got old, he found a way to keep going. He didn't stop because he had a heart attack, he stopped because he almost crossed his line. It wasn't because someone beat him, it was because his own human instinct for self-preservation finally said "enough."
Bruce's inclination to take life was repressed for much of his own, and I imagine it led to his body being damaged in more ways than I can imagine. Joker, Freeze, Clayface, Lock-Up, Croc, Bane, Ra's, Superman, Copperhead, Grodd, Amygdala, K.G.Beast, Darkseid. Need I go on? All individuals Bruce had had physical altercations with at one point or another, and he kept pushing himself to ignore his fight or flight instincts (fight, in this instance, being code for kill). After years of fighting and struggling to hold onto his code, the stone that is Bruce Wayne's code had slowly eroded by the water along with his body, unable to hold up to the current of the riverbank any longer. And in one sweeping moment, both his morality and mortality caught up to him, and he was forced to choose in a moment of, albeit very understandable and natural, selfish humanity, to break his code and live or adhere to it and die. To Bruce's shame and disgrace... he chose life. That's why he gave up being Batman. Because he finally allowed his humanity to prevail.
It makes me sad how broken and disgusted he looked at himself for holding the gun… he probably wasn’t even going to fire it, but he’s gone on for so many years without ever having a moment of weakness and breaking his rule 😢
i think it's oddly poetic that it wasn't a major villain who saw the day Batman quit. Wasnt Joker, Wasn't two-face, wasn't Penguin. Just some two bit criminal who got lucky
The Batman TAS show never underestimated the goons - they may have not always had a name but they usually didn't drop from one hit. I liked that, vaus it shows that danger was constant - nothing was a syre thing
Someone else commented on a similar post: Batman knew he had to retire, because the day finally came where criminals were no longer afraid of the man, but of the gun he wielded Powerful shit, man
Him pulling that gun was SOOOOO powerful. The way he explained it hit me perfectly as a kid lol He knew that he couldn't put his "code" above the life of that unknown citizen he'd be saving in the future. And as soon as he pulled the gun he realized he needed a replacement, powerful shit man
That part❤ 🫂💯🔥💪 and also he promised himself he would never kill and for him to pull out a gun and almost kill someone even the bad guy was like aye batman u good bro it was the most sadness episode ever 💯
Why did he have a gun on his person to begin with? If he incidentally found it during the rescue, fair enough, but if he had it the whole time then he clearly already failed to uphold his code. I've never seen the episode so I can't be certain.
@@YouWinAFREEiPOD It belonged to the criminal that he pointed it at. This clip makes it seem like the guy got the drop on Batman. But Bat's got the drop on him. Knocked the gun out of his hand, and knocked him down, but not out. Probably though he was knocked out tho. After Bat's turned to the hostage, the guy got back up, grabbing a nearby pipe and -- start of clip.
@@slimtimster02 are you talking about Non Sleep Deep Rest or NSDR? Its not meant to replace sleep, it is keant to help you maintain focus if you miss some sleep. Your body repairs itself, brain sorts nenories and stuff during sleep, that stuff takes time and actually requires you to go into sleep, NSDR toes the line around the sleep-wake part, its close enough to a sleep state to help you focus but not fully enough inside the sleep side to actually repair you. I do use it a lot as i usually sleep 5 hours due to work.
what are you talking about? nowadays everyone has a fucking storyline. That one pony show had seasons long storylinesliteraly and avengers endgame moment.
@@pessoaaleatoria2586 I'd like to see that list, because every American-made show I've expected to be good in the last several years has betrayed even my lowest expectations.
@@kolwaski8235 dude go check your ooooold gramps, even if they can maintain their emotion at their younger age, they gonna go back as fragile as a child
I love the detail that even though it was clearly a bluff, Bruce had no intention of using the gun, but even then he was horrified and immediately took the hints that he needed to retire. His time had simply come.
I think, but don't have any proof. Is that one of the things that scared Bat's, was that he was considering using it. If the criminal had continued to attack. Bat's would have shoot. Taking a life to save a life. Batman does say that he has his no killing rule because its a line that is VERY easy to cross, but you can never come back from it, it just gets easier and easier. He doesn't trust himself to do it just once's. And that's why he never killed the Joker.
Dude when I was a little kid, and I heard that line “Never again” followed shortly by the greatest intro ever to grace mankind, I knew there would never be anything like it ever again.
I remember 1st seeing this episode. The fact that Batman himself, who always had a hatred of guns since his parents died, saw himself about to resort to the same tactics he deplored said a lot!
@@patrickzantomaster I don't think ANYONE is rushing a gun with a wrench, that's just a twisted perception of reality to think someone would if they are mentally coherent as this guy was.
The pain of knowing you broke your code and picked up a gun, after decades of fighting without one. It broke him. It wasn't a villain that made him quit, it was himself. 😢
Also Joker: “ I don’t presume it shoots out a flag that’s says bang too does it” Batman: “you really want to find out joker” Joker: (gulps) “when’d you get so dark batsy”
@@TheDancingMudkip It wasn't just his life. There was that woman being held hostage too. If Bats went down, who knows what happens to her. That probably had more to do with grabbing the gun than his own life. Batman has never been afraid of death, he is afraid of failure though.
The saddest thing I always felt about this is how Batman went out. This wasn't him fighting with the Justice League against some massive threat to Earth. This wasn't him facing one of his rouge's gallery members. These were just small time punks that he normally would take care of in less than a minute. The fact he couldn't handle them anymore really showed Father Time caught up to him at last.
I think it was actually an amazing thing really cause he's one of the 3 faces of the league and the only fully human one of them so he has been duking it out with fuckers like Darkseid in to his 50's when most people his age are beginning to look in to retirements
Comes full circle to how it was a two-bit thug who killed Thomas and Martha Wayne in the first place. Gotham may have flashy and ostentatious supervillains, but its true problem has always been the organised crime beneath its surface.
@@DiceyAssassin i wish they would have allowed them to retire cause them dying in the line is so much dumber and less permanent i atleast wanted them both to have children.
Batman originally used guns when he was first created but they changed that and there are other versions who've done it Jason Todd when he was his own version of Batman, Flashpoint Batman etc etc.
@@darthtun Yep way back if you read up on it in the late 30s in 1939 and 1940 he used a gun in a few cases, just google "Batman used to use guns" it'll pop up with pictures lol but then they changed that to make him more heroic, he also hung a dude from his batwing haha
Well if the criminals can do that then all of the cops might get transported to the day shift, then it's just Batman cleaning up the entire city at night with no aid from the cops which makes it debatably more terrifying. It's like getting a 100 on a test versus a 97 out of a test, Batman before got a 100 because that's all there was to get, and he can still keep going even though the entire cops have been shifted to the daytime.
@@assfuckerthejointpounder5834 honestly, my comment was meant to be a joke but since you got serious, here it is: 1. Gotham police can't do shit. Before Batman, the city was completely overrun by criminals (and it still is to an extent). Even in the Dark Knight trilogy, they were trapped underground by Bane so easily 2. Even if it's Batman himself, he won't be able to handle ALL the crimes happening in Gotham ALL night ALONE. If every cop is on day shift, supervillains can just strike different places during the night, Batman can't take them all out 3. Even better, if everyone's on day shift, all the villains can just gang up on Batsy. There's no way he can take on Joker, Riddler, Bane, Ra's Al Ghoul, Scarecrow, Harley, etc all these villains together. There are like 10748 more reasons why that day shift idea won't work but i hope you get it from these itself lol
@@jeremyknight9980 because the man's a walking plot armour😂😂 He's the literal embodiment of plot armour, everything from his magical utility belt to his super strength and healing which allows him to face even demigods
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Didn't he literally stab people in the chest and shoot people in the big group fight scene later on in Batman vs Superman after the future scene? Not to mention blowing up the vehicles in that car chase scene with the Bat Mobile.
As a kid I watched the original animated series and saw this episode the day it aired. It was later in life when I realized what it truly meant for Batman to even hold a gun. The act of desperation to preserve his life with what tore apart his life at the age of 8. Hearing Kevin Conroy saying "Never again" hurts now with his passing.
The person laughing at a man who continued to fight for his ideals well into his old age has absolutely no clue what it means to be part of something greater than themselves or the sacrifices involved.
He also understood far better than many of his contemporaries that despite his ability and his tech underneath it all, he's still human and is not able to defeat aging without crossing a line he refused harder than guns
He knew he had to retire when he had to use a gun to save his own life. His body was failing him, and it put him in a situation in which he vowed to never be in. He didn't pull the trigger, but he felt scared and ashamed that he came so close to needing to do it.
It's crazy to me how humanizing this made Batman. Suddenly this man who had a plan for everything, who uses intimidation as his main factor in battle, was suddenly as human as us.
@@Wtakerman “Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data.” For instance, were buildings 2,000 years ago built better? Or did just the really sturdy ones survive till today so it looks like they were sturdier. Or in this instance Were cartoons really better, or do you just only remember the great cartoons so it seems like there were no shitty ones
What I love about this is that Bruce pulled a gun on the guy as an absolute last ditch effort. If that guy was a joker goon or even a slightly more hardened criminal he doesn’t give a shit about potentially being killed and he goes for the final swing on Batman, which then begs the question in that final moment does Bruce kill him and pull the trigger to save himself? Or does he accept fate and just get killed the way he always assumed he would be? I like that Batman beyond leads you to believe he would kill the goon to save himself but it’s also his dedication to not killing someone’s that forces him to retire. It’s a great conundrum for Bruce to end his career on and it’s very believable because he pushed himself and his old man body to the absolute limit and only relented being Batman because he realized he’s finally at the point where he would have to use lethal weapons to defend himself.
@@CruzaderKnight that a alternate universe where batman was pushed to the edge and after joker killed robin something in batman broke and he no longer cared for his code because of his code robin died i like the idea of what if batman stop caring about his code
It's funny being criminals know that Batman will never use a gun. He is known to physically beat the living shit out of them and won't kill them. But the moment he pulls out a gun, you have to think about as a criminal, "Oh shit he is actually going to kill me" because everyone knows whatever batman does, he is serious about it.
Oh yeah, punching someone in the face hard enough to break through brick walls isn't killing them, or paralyzing them at the very least, just imagine the debt you'd be in after all the hospital bills, you wouldn't even want to be alive after that.
@@LWLProductionsong bro. i loved a moment in this one movie where a goon that was already beat up batman again, encountered him again while he was investigating. bro literally just noped outta there and made sure his buddy didn't go in the room either.
I had never seen this episode. I knew that with Batman Beyond, Bruce got Terry to be Batman because he had gotten too old to keep being Batman, but I didn’t know this was the event that made him hang up the suit until he could train someone else to be Batman. This just broke my heart….🥺💔
It was also just created on the fly. Zero comic book material to go off of and instead the comics took this property because it was just so good. Harley Quinn was also created by Bruce Tim. Honestly, 90s and early 2000s was peak Batman
@@CasshernSinz1613 Yeah. Conceptually it even sounds kinda awful but they made it work somehow Edit: Also they drew a ton of inspiration from TDKR. Even the constant news anchor bits and everything
@Kryštof Michajlov Franciško joker had been trying for years to make batman snap. While this man didn't make batman kill batman never pulled a gun on joker
@@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224 In the Injustice Video Game the joker is tired of always losing to Batman so he goes after Loise Lane in order to play his games with Superman. Joker knew he could easily outsmart the man of steel and actually tricked him into killing Loise by poising him with scarecrows fear toxin laced with kyrptonite. Superman thought he was pushing Doomsday into space when it was actually a pregnant Loise Lane. When Batman asked why did he go after Superman when he always wanted to beat him Joker told him he was tired of losing and wanted to "Play on easy mode foe a while."
Actually you didn't understand, when batman fought joker or other strong enemies he was young and strong, he always defend himself somehow and come up with some plan. This time he was old that is why he got hurt badly just after one hit, and he was defenseless, that is why he pull out a gun, cuz he has no other option.
They got his psyche so right. He hated guns ever since his parents were gunned down. The fact that he had to resort to pulling a gun on his opponent broke his will more than any injury or illness could have.
I actually just audibly gasped at this. I’m not a superhero buff but even I know that Batman would NEVER use a gun so the fact that he pulled one out on this guy, even as an act of desperation and 💯a bluff, really shocked me. Supposedly Batman never kills, and it seems like everyone in that universe knew it too, so yeah that totally surprised the hell out of that guy too.
That’s how I’ve been too I liked them as a kid but stopped watching them. These reels are showing the real comics and I’m here like “wtfff there’s people way stronger than Thanos??” Since this past avengers movie they almost didn’t win 😂 Also a universe where batman was killed instead of his dad so the dad became Batman but with a gun the comics are interesting asf
“Or just some punk that gets lucky.” This hit really hard. Imagine everything Batman has been through; the friends he’s lost, the demons he’s bested, all to nearly die from some random with a big wrench, or as he said a punk that got lucky.
I remember watching this as a 10 year old kid on Cartoon Network and was like "when did Batman start using guns?" and it was the first moment in my life that I realized that even your heroes have their breaking points and nothing lasts forever. This show will always be in my memory bank.
The video is cut. The gun belonged to one of the thugs who had been disarmed. While lying down, he noticed it on the floor nearby and in desperation picked it up.
I remember this episode, so chilling to see the legendary Batman getting older, vulnerable. Reminder that hes still only human, and the world will always need a Batman 🙏🏼
He’s only human on a writer’s whim. Batman has super strength, armor skin and healing factor. He’s also a conjurer who draws on an unlimited pool of energy ($).
@myway7367 He's a billionaire trust fund baby who inherited a multi-billion dollar conglomerate that rakes in profits year in, year out. Not disagreeing with the rest of your post, but as far as your last point is concerned, yes, he IS a conjurer of pretty much unlimited anything!
