The problem is not Johnny Cage. The problem is the rest of the cast. Buff everybody ridiculously to his level and you've got yourself a fun Midway/MK9 type of game.
Sadly that is not gonna happen. NRS/WB balance their game based on the most vocal complaints from the worst possible sources of information: social media outlets and their own official forums. They will sooner nerf characters into the ground before they consider buffing them. They don't balance to actually balance the game, they do it to appease their playerbase so that they will buy more microtransactions. They psychologically manipulate them like abusers into doing their bidding.
@@hands-ongaming7180 exactly I've been beat by a couple of Johnny players that didn't use kameos except for like a juggle maybe but mostly just Johnny which is insanely stupid. But this is the cost of trying to make an assist fighter game where 4 at best are virtually fully designed characters vs the rest of the roster that has to depend on kameos.
I don't think there's anything wrong with Johnny having good mids and buttons in your face. The issue is, many other characters don't have anything going for them, so they end up playing the same kind of game as Johnny but with worse buttons. What has sub got and Scorp got? If you're just going to end up strike throwing, then why not pick Johnny.
Scropion has full screen combo potential. Johnny Cage does not. Sub-zero also has complete combo setup after you are frozen. Johnny does not. But Scropion and Sub-Zero also have more health than Johnny. Johnny also doesn't have a projectile in his base kit. Sub-Zero and Scropion do.
@@Chadsgameroom13 Sub zero has full cmbo after frozen lmaoooooo dumb comment of the century. Everything from sub zero is unsafe, from specials to regular attacks. I main sub zero and I promise you Johny cage is way easier to win with.
Facts man! & the King of the hills STAYED Jumpin 🔥❗️ MK11 was far superior to me, it looked more cinematic,felt more smooth & fluid & there was NO CAMEOS! Worst idea they could’ve ever done putting that into a mk game. This ain’t mf marvel v. Capcom! This game BEEN Dead. All you see is Johnny,Kenshi,homelander, the same opponents doing the same repetitive combos 😴 atleast in 11 we had variations, 1v1 & you ain’t get a headache playing after 3 games dealing with cyrax. This game 🚮
It actually gets boring seeing the same characters over and over again. And that's pretty much acrossed every fighting game. Which I think lowers viewership. At least for me it does. That's why I tune in and tune out
i noticed the archetype gap right away coming from mkx Predato had three different ways to play him based off the variations Hunter - was a trap character HQT - was a zoner and pressure based Warrior - was offensive and had the best armor move
I honestly don't understand why sub's mid was made slower than his beta. Looking back at the beta now,his nerfs were unjustified especially when you see the bullshits ashrah and kenshi can do
The problem with johny cage is his movement. A character like him should be able to be out zoned our outspaced but his neutral is too good bc of his movement.
Not to mention Johnny cage is the only character that has a super saiyan form. And he can’t be cornered cause he can’t teleport through you into a full combo punish. I’m a liu kang main just so you know.
This is what happens when your game GARBAGE ASS defensive mechanics. The offensive characters can run all over you. Doesnt matter if you use Mavado counter, it takes 2 bars and spends the entire kameo meter. By the time it recovers Johnny will have the edge for the rest of the round/match
Another testament that MK1 was intended to be Injustice 3, because Johnny Cage is the only character that has that stupid hype mechanic and that MK9 moveset style, damn he is so strong even nerfed.
I played one baraka player yesterday and it was just the same unsafe attack with cyrax kameo all match long bro really bout done playing this game like seriously cause Its really frustrating knowing that ppl can just win a match bc they picked kenshi or Johnny. I hate that I even bought this game like seriously
@@rainbow_af3171 wtf are you talking about? If a character does an unsafe move and follows it up with Cyrax they are plus and it’s still their turn. Just because you know the character options doesn’t mean you know exactly what the other player is going to do. Baraka for example has an overhead, low and throw. It’s a three way mix up. You’re not guessing right every time.
The most boring Johnny ever because of how easy cheap he is and his lack of variety at least MKX Mk11 Johnny had some swag while being broke the repetitiveness of MK1 Johnny plus his lack of green ancestry powers and red ancestry powers this one is just a bland button masher
@@zengao Awards and the ppl say otherwise last time Johnny was in a game that won fighting game of the year it was MKX last time he was in a game that nobody in the world had a dislike for it was MK9, MK11 looked boring cause he was older but his moveset is way better fatalities way better brutalities way better fatal blow better MK1 Johnny is apart of a boring game which fits his moveset
@@zengao Lost to sf6 for fgoty, under some no name anime fighting games in registry numbers in pro tournaments, gets no views on streaming sites the games ass
@@grizzmoses7472 nahhhh Stryker, Kano have it not just one and Cyrax is not broke everyone needs to stop crying, get better skill issue!!! Why do I have to suffer playing against the other Meta characters?! So their sh.. stays but Cyrax not gt fo NONSENSE
@@Mr_Wht are you drunk? I literally agreed with your original comment about helicopter and now you’re trying to argue against it. Are you okay? And don’t compare nerfed ass Stryker and Kano to Cyrax lmao. Shits brain dead and boring. Only clowns like you think it’s a “skill issue.” It’s not hard to block 🤡… or even to FB it in most cases. Like I said, it’s brain dead and boring.
Sounds like they can improve a lot of the roster by just changing a lot of their faster highs to mids. Might get less of that dump down 1 poke wars that way too
Its funny because when the game dropped i was so hyped for johnny he was gonna be my main because he looked so cool . Never pciked him up since he was cheese
Funnily enough, the cyrax change brought me back to the game since i never got to try the cage/cyrax team. I played cage/stryker and raiden/sektor but since various nerfs i lost interest months ago
I think the kameos should've been assigned to characters from the start. (provided there were enough at launch to support the entire roster) This way, they would've been designed with synergy in mind with whom they're teamed with.
Exactly bro it's the same damn string and poke after everything. Then the fact that they have a kameo with him is crazy and crazier that they reverted cyrax for final Kombat and then is gonna nerf him again. This game is actually in shambles man but hey, to each it's own
I’m working on my first TTRPG (so, not a video game) and the trap of nerfing something that doesn’t work is sooooo easy to fall into. All it did was create this very situation with Johnny, where one strategy evolved into domination, and everything else sucked. It was death by a thousand little thoughtless concessions.
Johnny has always been the best, but I think Peace Maker is slowly taking that spot. They both don't have any obvious weaknesses, but Peace Makers zoning is arguably the best in the game. I would bet he's going to be the character pick that wins Final Kombat.
What if they gave sub zero a special move that you input right after inputting clone that bursts the clone like mkx and its double hitting so it breaks armor. The input would be the same as clone but you just do it after clone. And it’s safe on block
NRS making a game where you want to annoy your opponent with block pressure until they get bored and open up, putting Johnny Cage, the block pressure demon in the game, really lacks any forsight (especially a year into the game). Now significantly nerf every other character archetype and you have MK1 disagree that there are no archetypes but they are definitely former shell of what they once were
YES I’ve been saying this game doesn’t feel as fast as mk11‼️ thank you for finally confirming NRS change it… makes sense how these pros can cancel a move so fast and they know every little detail to be a fast fighter‼️💀
That's not a good idea. There are people who have safe launchers that you are only able to punish because of it being a high or having a second hit that is a high. Ducking that high is the only way to punish it. If there were only low, mids, and overheads, you'd just have to deal with it. If you know a character, however, you'd know a high is coming and you can duck and punish.
maybe im wrong but doesnt johnny fit the definition of a rushdown character pretty well?( or does he just have the strengths of one without any of the weaknesses), rushdown means strong pressure and good mixups if you dont know the term.
The real monster is the playstyle crafted by unsafe special move into kameo effective literally into Pro Kompetition. Idk Ive seen too many pro players have trouble with average players in MK1 because of these tactics. Compared to a game like MKX or MK11 where Im certain it would be a wash in the pros favor
Mortal Kombat has another big problem of Dash , proa can abuse and alway be at your face where casual Players struggling to do so where majority of players are casual. Faster mid should be delying dash input but , NRS wont do it otherwise how come sonic and Ninja killa would be in finals.
I never hear anyone or read anyone mentioning his back dash. He can poke on block and back dash and almost no characters in the game can stop this degenerate gameplay loop looking for a whiff.
This game is torture to play especially in Kombat league where they barely give you any points in Demi-god & higher ranks. All I face is Johnny,Kenshi,Asharah, why do they have such great buttons & don’t need a cameo but me as a scorpion main I have to PRAY & make reads to get a hit in? This game feels so clunky & I swear the cameos be bailing so many 🚮 players out. MK11 was WAY Better none of this gimmick bs & the life span of the game lasted way longer this games BEEN Dead Don’t hit me with “lab it” I’m not labbin’ sh* in this bum game. If I see Ed boon I’m slapping fire out him for ok’ing this piece of 💩 ❗️
The only point I disagree with is Johnny being the only character who can use every kameo. Liu can too, he essentially plays Johnny’s game albeit a little worse but with some zoning
No way- Lui can't open anyone up without Kung Lao- this is common knowledge..Kung Lao is his best kameo by far and its not even close- thats who you should be using.
They need to open the game up with more fast mids i mean not every mid has 2 be 9 frames or have insane pressure but against alot of character neutral duck and mashing d1 completely invalidates their gameplan like raiden and Johny have fast mids with good pressure i play reptile his mid is slower and has worse stagger potential and is really stubby and is really minus now i know your thinking reptile has a mid projectile that combos but that move is ass in neutral it looses to every other projectile in the game
I woudlnt say no archetypes but thy are less pronounced. Johnny, Raiden and Kenshi are all pressure but they do it differently. Quan Chi and Kitana are probably the only dedicated zoners and they do it differently. No one plays like Nitara she just sucks. Everyone else though idk. I feel like they could have archetypes but like you said they probably arent going to try and add them in.
Nitara doesn't suck, watch sonic's video where he is abusing the block infinite, latter half of that video you can see him get consistently shit on by a nitara. Nitara has a ton of potential that is very rarely utilized. Pros are just too busy whoring out w top tiers, makes sense tho, I'd do the same for the prize money lol
This game is just horribly made to be honest. I try to have fun with this game but i just cant. You got button delay like a mf bc just yesterday alone i got screwed like 3-4 times out of a match bc of literal button delays. Then you have people picking homelander just to spam overhead moves in the corner, johnny players get to do whatever they want, sindel players doing the same rinse and repeat overhead/low bs and not to mention kenshi which is essentially playing against two kameos and one character which is a major balance problem. How can one character have something like this but the rest of the roster be garbage?They shouldn't have half assed these characters just so that they can depend on a stupid kameo attack to be safe. They really need to consider buffing every character except for sindel, kenshi, johnny, lui kang, and all dlc characters not including quan chi bc this getting ridiculous
Not having Arctype is just dumb... and proves NRS doesnt know to balance one great exemple is JP from Street FIgther he is the Perfect Zoner he can combo almost full scream he have high , Low and Overhead projectile even a Projectile that Grab but his defence is kind trash , but insteant of nerf his projectile Capcom just nerf some of his normal that was stoping the people to jump of him making a but weak against caracter try to get close to him while still strong in the mid and far scream ... Each Archtype is a annoying but also have their weaking against others
The top three BS characters are number one Baraka, Raiden, Johnny Cage. Omniman was stupid too because damage and tracking but I’ve since learned to fight Omni man.
All of you have skill issues and complain out the a$$. I personally deal with characters who have an upper hand against my Raka. Complain all you want, cry about it ya’ll are all soft and lack skill. Get better stop complaining somehow I don’t btch about Liu Kang, PM, Tanya, Sindel etc. homelander is not broke?!?!?!?! Quan Chi ain’t broke with his buffs?! Plus more thisnis insane how everyone is crying about Cyrax and Raka….. Khameleon?!?!?!?! Stryker with JC/PM is not a problem get outta here I don’t want to hear this ridiculousness UNBELIEVABLE