That probably creates a selection bias in his survey. Those tall handsome young men who always met girls easily probably never became obsessed with lifting and RU-vid fitness in the first place, whereas Jeff’s followers are probably looking to improve something about themselves.
As Jeff said, there are so many variables to analyze… But this is kinda accurate because some variables are correlated to others.. I mean, he could add a Gaus bell for a trust interval and tell us how accurate in percentages this study was, but I’ll bet is around 90% accuracy
Most women really aren't into super muscular guys though, girls also can have completely different types. I like when guys have longer hair and there can be other girls that like the opposite of what I like.
I have achieved this, at least temporarily. At the bottom of a fat loss phase, I was buying sweet potatoes at Walmart. A middle-aged woman wanting the same items got in close enough quarters to see the full extent of my forearm vascularity. Soon as we made eye contact she hit me with a facial expression of pure repulsion.
@@zacharybuerkle2244definitely agree with that, but higher partner count also means that more people find you attractive in general. Which also means higher chances of getting girls.
This... I find this to be especially true with women. A lot of people will say whatever they think makes them look better, like a semi virtue signaling. Most dudes from very early on realise they cant actually rely on female advice, rarely are the same the type of men women say they like and their actual dating history.
Also don't ask men about their partners, they will always lie, even in anonymous poll, let alone in front of a camera, in your own gym surrounded by your bros. Come on, seriously! You're measuring self - esteem at best. And that correlates with dedication to lift aswell, by the way. So these graphs are completely pointless.
100%. In fact most of the time their actions don’t match their words. It’s fine to say “I like dad bods” but I can tell you from personal experience that when I’m in shape I get way more looks from woman. More woman flirt with me and my wife’s friends are constantly making comments. One actually asked for a picture of me on her wedding day to show one of her friends. Yuck! lol I’ve been pretty fat and bad looking, and really lean. I’ve been a bit more athletic looking and lean and the last couple of years I’ve been pretty big and lean. And at 42 years old I’ve never had so much attention. Most woman say certain things but they’re usually the same ones checking out jacked dudes covered in tattoos.
The field of evolutionary psychology has more or less confirmed this through the way humans' so-called "mating strategy" works. Men are generally more honest about what they find most attractive in women, while women tend to withhold their true preferences, whether for skinny or overweight men. There will, of course, always be exceptions, but that's not how the world works, and we can't base our understanding on exceptions. This is where the advice comes in not to listen too much to what people say, but rather to observe how they act, as their actions more often than not align with what they actually think. In short, if a woman has a history of only dating muscular and fit men chances are that she doesn't like guys with "dad bods" or skinny guys no matter how much she says that she finds them attractive.
There's an inherent issue with surveying people on what qualities they find attractive: people will tend to avoid answering in a way that makes them seem shallow. Even in anonymous surveys, people will typically feel guilty answering that they find someone being physically attractive more important than them being kind.
also people (all these alpha channels say women, but it's not just them) aren't good at evaluating what they want on their own. If you made some sort of database of their previous partners it wouldn't line up with what they think they want at all
Yep. This is why statistics from dating apps are brutally honest. People there are really swiping on the things they actually find attractive, whether they know what it is or not, whether they admit it or not.
This is just wrong. Yes there is an effect of social pressure when being surveyed on the street randomly but science has shown that people in scientific surveys and anonymous surveys are very honest.
As much as I love Jeff, I do feel like some of the data here might be misleading because his research was conducted in a gym, and thus his sample group is not representative of the entire population. Especially for questions like asking women what level of muscle is most attractive, it's extremely likely there'll be a correlation between the fitness levels of the women themselves and their preferred fitness level for partners. I know he does address it later in the video but it kinda invalidates some conclusions he made in the first bit of the video.
Even the scientific studies he used were heavily misinterpreted to the point where I feel like there's an agenda behind the video lol. The 2003 study about nice guys was comparing identical profiles except for personality traits, so ofc most people would pick the nicer person. The 2022 study was so unbelievable that I had to look it up, and it said nothing close to what Jeff said in the video, it was a study about reproductive success and mating habits across global populations (to try and find some biological rather than social link). It found that physical attractiveness was much more important in industrialized societies, especially for finding a partner (mating as per the study), but not as much for having children. The study also said nothing about personality, and the rest was just a broad "other" because it wasn't in the scope of the study.
facts I also noticed the question about how much someone benches and how much partners they have can be really inaccurate. because in general older lifters bench more and have had more relationships. this has nothing to do with bench strength causing more partners it has to do with time on the earth causing more strength and more time to date. I think Jeff should have taken results from people in one age group.
While this is true, women who go to the gym aren't going to the gym for the same extremities as men. They're not seeking to have the same musculature. Most men will go for bodybuilding entirely, and then some women.
Unironically, Reynolds is also a #4 body type on top of being tall, rich, handsome and funny. Soon as I saw the chart I was like "Oh, like Ryan Reynolds or Henry Cavill in Immortals/i.e.: my ideal build for the last 13 years"
There's a major problem with asking people their opinions: they can lie. I would rate your results based on correlation as far more reliable and relevant than what people say they like.
Yeah. I figured greater shoulder to waist ratio would boost male attractiveness, along with symmetry in face and clothing. And women with great hip to waist ratio would be attractive. I recently read a book called mean genes that was illuminating.
I'm a data scientist, and I gotta be honest, I don't trust any of the data collected here. Self-reported data is subject to all kinds of biases, even when surveyed anonymously. People that lie about one thing in their favor are more likely to lie about other things in their favor. Another factor is that if you've dedicated your life to lifting at the elite level, you're also more likely to exaggerate the positive effects, even if they're not real. People don't often like to admit that high dedication to a sport is only one-dimensional in its positivity. These data would be more useful to analyze human psychology than to accurately determine a correlation between weight lifting numbers and intimate partners. I think it's an interesting subject, but getting real numbers here would be incredibly difficult. You'd have to devise some kind of performative experiment on actual rejection rates based on appearance, but even this would be difficult to design well without creating variables by interfering. It's a tough thing to study, so I don't really blame Jeff for trying this methodology, I just don't think this was successful in showing correlation of anything let alone causation.
Not a data scientist (yet), but I am studying statistics and data science in university and I had some of these same thoughts. Self-reported data is tenuous at best, wholly unreliable and borderline unusable at worst. People exaggerating the positive effects of lifting because they have dedicated their lives to it is another really apt thought. I don't think this video really proves much
It's also pointless because there's plenty of studies showing that absolutely nothing matters until you pass a looks threshold. They do not remotely care if you're a "good person", not until at least you're very attractive and very successful
Not only that, but we also have a lot of preconditions we impose on the person with the characteristics we want. Which means that there is a lot of "unobserved" data, even if we believe everything else was right in the video. Example: you ask me what's the most important thing I want in a partner. I say: she's loyal. Then you respond "oh, so you are ok with dating a dog then! Those are loyal !!!!" Obviously not, but I thought her being human was a given (and we do that same thing with so much stuff!!!).
2:51 With regards to the people who have 4 plate bench presses and having the most partners, I'd like to reference the law of small numbers. The smaller the sample is, the more probable it is that it will yield extreme conclusions. Meaning that small samples are much more probable to gravitate towards an extreme result, either very high or low results. There are significantly less people that bench 4 plates, than people that bench 2. It's like flipping a coin 3 times versus 10 times. It's way more likely for the coin to flip on the same side 3 times than 10 times.
Jeff also brought up age, and while he seems to think it wouldn’t be a big enough factor to explain his results, it’s definitely a big factor when this effect is considered in tandem.
I would like to add that the message of the video absolutely resonates with me though. I rushed to write the comment before the video ended. I do believe that kindness, confidence and competence are highly correlated with romantic success. And having a high bench (naturally) usually goes together with those qualities. It takes high will, discipline and ambition to reach a high bench naturally.
@@RoflJoker1994 no, we did not evolve from chimpanzees. You will find no evolutionarily biologist claiming as much. We do however share common ancestors with chimps. Is that what you mean?
Jeff is genuinely making the world a better place. Pushes people to work out but not be narcissistic. Shows the importance of kindness and intelligence. Makes us realize we're all going to be ok
As a rule when it comes to determining people's preferences, remember that men exaggerate about themselves and women lie about what they want. The only data that is conclusive is to observe behavior, especially when lacking other stimuli. With all else being equal, what do people go for.
Girl at the 14:00 minute mark pretty much nailed it. I remember seeing a study (and takedown of said study) along these lines a ways back. Basically, the study surmised that most women want a guy who looks like he works out but doesn't actually work out all the time. The takedown suggested that women tended to not like the guys who were super shredded because they either A) Spent too much time in the gym and not enough with their girl or, B) Were full of themselves. There's also something to be said for those guys being perceived as having more options on the market, when that's typically something that favors the women in most cases.
There's a difference between "Nice" and "Kind" Kindness is a general state of being. Nice is actions you do for others. Nice actions can be self-serving (or deemed "clingy/needy") Kind > Nice Be Kind.
Was hoping to see this comment. What people report in surveys is useful but I do wonder how honest people are about what they are actually attracted to.
2:34 based off of that massive jump in numbers, those numbers make me think the ones who said they could "bench 4 plates" were lying out their ass for both the bench and the dates
It's also that people who bech 405 and above are almost always 25 as opposed to 135 being a weight that 12-14 year olds lift and i say this as a 15 year old. As they are older they probably go on more dates as in my experince most people I have seen do not have partners other than the seniors. also the people who bench 405 are probably very muscular where as anyone who can only do 185 or less is probably either overweight or skinny or only slightly muscular . but yeah the most probable cause is lying
Yeah I immediately sniffed that out. If these people were actually forced to show their bench, I'd be more inclined to believe their number of partners
I find it interesting how women prefer the aesthetics of level 2 and 3 muscular body physique, but the guys with level 8 strength in bench, squat and deadlift (who's 100% a level 5 muscular physique) has had the most amounts of dates/relationships.
Same i just work and go to the gym afterwards. So i can tell myself i have people around me. Never even speak to them, i am just a jacked lonely guy, then when I get home I eat and torture myself with some elden ring.
The real benefit of being fit to get women is your first impression, not to score a relationship. For someone to get to know you, they need to be at least intrigued. You’ll never have a satisfactory relationship if you’re a jerk but you’ll also never get someone to talk to you even if you’re really nice if you don’t take care of yourself and invest in your health
In the human behavior sciences there is the concept of stated and revealed preferences. Meaning people often answer a question they think others will find favorable but when you observe how they live it reveals a different story. This is very true with how women answer that they want this nice, soft, caring guy etc. But in fact so many go for a guy who is the opposite of those traits. I'm not saying become a jerk to get women. Just be careful with self-reported data especially when it comes to dating, because who we go for isn't always rational, a lot of it is subconscious.
Being in good shape and being a nice person is really the key. Whether it’s making friends or romantic stuff, people gravitate towards strong, kind people
And by nice I don’t mean like that stereotypical incel “nice guy” shit, I mean being a deeply compassionate and cool human being. You want to be a light in someone’s life, and when you help them up, they lift you up with them
IDK if I agree with this logic. I mean I've been in decent shape most of my life, a nice person and drive a nice car, but it's been years since I even had a date. I know part of the issue is I'm picky myself, but it also may be I'm very quiet and getting older. I'm not very tall either and have been very thin on top for decades.
@@Mrbobcat7 see what you’re doing there is focusing on only the perceived negative aspects of yourself. You need to stop that blackpill bullshit. Sounds to me like what your problem is is that you, like many people in our society, lack the social opportunity to meet people and strike up a relationship. Here’s what I suggest you do, join some kind of club, volunteer organization, or even go to something like community college. These kinds of environments are what sociologists call “third places”, which are proven to increase your social skills and help you meet people.
@@Mrbobcat7 also if you’re worried about your looks, there are very simple and easy ways to feel more confident and increase your attractiveness. While I personally believe the 1-10 system is a flawed and childish way of quantifying the concept of beauty, I tell people that EVERY MAN IS A 7, if you do a couple of things: 1. Regular grooming and hygiene practices. Shower every day, brush you teeth at least once a day, and get a good cologne that you like to wear (1 million by paco raban, Burberry London, and Le Male by Jean Paul Guttier are good ones) 2. Find out what hairstyle works for your head and if you can grow it, what facial hair works for you. Have you ever grown a mustache? Maybe you’ll look good with one, try it! 3. Cultivate a good style. There are many places you can get good clothes that can make you feel more confident. Boxed fitted t shirts, 501 Levi’s, and a good pair of boots like doc martens or Solovairs will help you look good and maybe even taller. That’s just one example. Now, this might all seem like a lot Anon, but if you are truly a nice person, that’s the most important thing. Everything else I’ve said is just like the side dishes to the main course that is your kindness. If you follow what I’ve said I’m certain you will achieve what you yearn for. Be brave.
@Mrbobcat7 Firstly, what you’re doing is you’re over focusing on the perceived negative aspects about yourself. You need to cut that blackpill bullshit out. Secondly, it sounds to me like your problem is one that many people in our society have, which is a lack of social opportunity to meet people and foster connections and relationships. Here’s what I suggest you do, join a club or some kind of volunteer organization, maybe even community college. These environments are what sociologists call “third places”, they are proven to introduce you to social situations and people that will make you more confident in your interactions and statistically increases your chances of finding someone you have a connection with. Also, if your physical appearance is something you are self conscious about, I have some advice for that too. While I personally feel that the 1-10 scale is a childish and unhelpful way of quantifying beauty, many people’s understanding, especially men on the internet, is through that lenses, so here’s what I tell people. EVERY MAN IS A 7! It just takes some effort on your part, here are a few ways of achieving this: 1. PERSONAL HYGIENE PRACTICES! Shower every day, brush your teeth at least once a day, wear deodorant and find a cologne that you like (1 million by paco raban, Burberry London, and Le Male by Jean Paul Guttier are all good ones) 2. Find out what hairstyle works for your head. You’d be surprised what can change by just getting out of the same-old haircut you’ve been keeping. Same with facial hair if you can grow it. Have you ever tried to grow a mustache? Try it! You might like how it looks! 3. Cultivate a good style. There are many places where you can get good clothes for not a lot of money (JCPenney, thrift stores, Ross). For example, box fitted t shirts, 501 Levi’s with legs measured about 1-2 inches less than what you normally buy (if you’re a 30 leg, try to find 29s for example) and buy a pair of boots, like doc martens or Solovairs. This is a classic style that will help you look good and maybe even a little taller. Now I know this seems like a lot Anon, but if you really are a nice person, these things will help you. Everything I’ve said is just the side dishes to the main course that is your kindness. Be brave.
Oh, it is way worse than that, only people from the gym, and only SELF REPORTING from a group of people who constantly lie about what they do and their preferences.
One if the worst things anyone can do for their self esteem is to workout under the assumption it will get you a girlfriend/boyfriend. Thats waging your happiness on a result you have no control over. You should always and only workout if you genuinely wish to better yourself for your own sake. Not for anyone else. Just you. You look sexy for yourself. If you need others to validate your own opinions of yourself then youre setting yourself up for failure.
@@senzatieee no it's like eating food for yourself. you eat food go "mm nice delicious"; you put in the work and see your body and go "mm nice delicious" like wtf you talking bout man? believe it or not working on your body solely and exclusively for the approval of people who don't care about you and whom you don't care about is a surefire way to be miserable and perpetually unsatisfied with yourself
@@tippa7328 It is though. If it weren't for other people no one would have any fucking concept of what is sexy. Original comment is just trying to appear like they aren't shallow. Nothing more
@senzatieee @minimalsheep8900 maybe the wording is bad, of course looking sexy for yourself is not a thing unless you’re a narcissist, what he probably means is doing it because you yourself enjoy the progress you make and seeing how your physique and your looks improve gives you fulfilment. you CAN improve your looks without thinking about other people or doing it for others. if you do it because you enjoy seeing progress after working hard at something and it makes you feel better about yourself when you start looking better that has nothing to do with others besides that your perception of what looks good obviously comes from everybody else. but if you do it that way you’re not doing it for anyone else.
@minimalsheep8900 it takes an incredibly insecure person to value the opinions of others on their own body than their own opinions of themselves. You are the ONLY PERSON who has to live in your body and as such you should care most how YOU want to look. Changing yourself to seek the approval of others is never good and can even be self destructive. Jeff literally details how most people really don't care how you look. The factors that matter most is how kind you are. You don't seem too kind, which might be why you seek to bridge the gap with physical looks.
Hey brother we met in the airport yesterday in New Orleans. Just wanted to say again how much I appreciate your content and meeting you in person was totally cool. Hope you got home safely my friend!
Jeff, one part you didn't address - maybe you didn't want to offend anyone, is that the people with the highest bench and biggest body in your survey, are also likely to attract "fitness groupie" women, which are with them specifically for their body or because they've had some preconceived notions of those men (or have a "list item to check off"). This is a similar situation with rockstars, famous athletes, popular guys in high school, fraternity brothers, etc. Obviously these are not women that most guys would see themselves dating. Just a point to consider.
Crazy to say having in mind that the the graphs shown in 13:40 explicitly show that heterosexual men are in fact the ones most driven by physical attractiveness.
@@tonacion Some of that you need to take with a grain of salt because it's survey data. Not that I think people are lying on purpose, but because they don't really understand what it is they value. I don't have any sources so I don't have any weight to this claim, but anecdotally we all know in our lives people who say they want XYZ in their partner and continually choose people who don't espouse those things and instead exhibit behaviors and traits of ABC.
@@tonacion fitness women aren’t the ones being groupies but they are the ones being surveyed here. Most of the people surveyed won’t be dating others being surveyed.
what many men don't realize is that there's a stark contrast between being "nice" in order to get laid and being a genuinely good person without any expectations.
Exactly bro woman observe guys a nice guy treats his mom well holds the door for men and woman has concern about the people around them in one way or another and helping people in general these so called nice guys legit just treat the girl sweet for 2 weeks while tryna get some tang
Being the second person leaves you with being used and abused, no more dates, still gonna be kind because I have this energy on the inside which wants to help others
but dont go thinking being genuinely nice will land you dates, actually, dont go in thinking anything, you shouldnt need a reason to be a nice human, even if you dont applauds or dates for it, thats something that i learned pretty slowly
Yeah a lot of people lie on these studies. Can be hard to get an honest answer. Probably have to take this as well as real life anecdotes to get closer to the truth.
You're making a big mistake in your logic. More dates does not only mean that you're more attractive. It can also mean that you have more trouble keeping your relationships. So more plates can also mean that you're getting dumped more.
or you're dumping more. these numbers simply mean nothing. it's the job of a professional to do these analytics in a very professional environment (or however a professional should research), not a normal person. still appreciate the effort and it is helpful to some degree, but it's just some numbers, you gotta move on anyways if you don't wish to fall into the ocean of fallacies
Yeah, this is just a gut feeling but I think men who hyper fixate on gaining muscle are just more likely to play the field rather than settle. I’m married and I’ve definitely let myself go a bit, but I’m in a strong 6 year relationship that’s not going anywhere and we’re both very happy. My body is basically irrelevant, but keeping the house clean and being good parents keeps us going.
Despite being awkward and skinny, I got laid a lot in my 20s because I was an attractive pretty boy with interesting things to say. Didn't do anything except cardio. I also didn't hang out with gym goers. I only started to lift (and thus find channels like Jeff's) because I liked the mood-boosting endorphins. Working out has made my spaced-out ADHD brain feel more present and alive in the world, and that's enough for me.
Same thing with me regarding the ADHD part. Dating wise, I started getting a LOT more attention from women when I went from overweight (93kg) to extremely skinny (57kg at 5'9). Two girls I dated who already knew me admitted they weren't interested until I lost the weight. Nowadays though that I'm at 80kg and fairly strong/muscular, I'm in a weird spot where girls do approach me semi-frequently or at least tell me I'm cute, but it never leads anywhere because I'm not good at conversation with strangers and they expect me to chase them. Not sure if there's a correlation, but when I was skinnier the women that were interested chased me instead. My theory is that maybe the added musculature gives them the expectation of confidence from me which I don't have, while when I was skinny I was seen as the cute shy boy that obviously would never make the first move, making them more likely to chase.
One of the last points you made is one of the most insightful, I think. Intelligence and kindness ranked 1-2 in importance for what all groups of people find attractive *except* for heterosexual men, who say physical attractiveness is more important in a partner than kindness. Men often see themselves through the same lens in which they view women rather than evaluating themselves through the lens of how women see men. As a result, we worry way too much about physical attractiveness and not enough about kindness. Great stuff!
This is true but there’s also plenty of data showing women don’t pick who they say they will pick. And, they select from who approaches them. More dominant men will approach women more and get who they want more.
@@docd2295 This is why i distrust surveys . Ofcourse when presented with options and a logical mind without biases or hormones , everyone will pick kindness . The only real way to know is to look at their previous partners and analyse those traits
As a lesbian who has to listen to their female straight friends complain ALOT about their dates, I can confirm that. Men put too much importancy in looking and being percieved as "supermacho", but most girls don't dig that kind of attitude/appearance. Some dominance is good, but to the point that makes you look and act like a douchbag or a neanderthal is not desirable.
Do remember though that there seems to be a huge suvivorship bias in the sample surveyed. -On live interview it was done in gyms and people tended to be quite fit -I guess the 50,000 respondents come mainly from Jeff’s community, thus way more likely to be sports oriented. So the sample is probably not representative of the population whose characteritics we’re trying to measure The correct question would be more something like « What is the most attractive body type for women and men who are gyms goers » or for « who are jeff nippard subscribers »
Stated vs revealed preferences. People SAY they like intelligence and kindness - but in PRACTICE, they prefer people who are attractive, good lovers, smell good, and are sexy in *addition* to being intelligent and kind.
I don't think its really an either/or type situation, having a partner that is intelligent and kind could well be the most important, but they also have to be well groomed, tidy, driven, good lovers, etc. to fill up the rest of the bar to attraction.
It’s evolutionary. Let me explain. Physical attractiveness is a sign of health and genetic quality. Facial symmetry shows lack of deformity, illness, and injury. Facial masculinity shows testosterone levels, which correlates to better survival. Height is an indicator of hunting and competitive ability against rival males. If a female sleeps with a man who is physically unattractive, she is passing those genes onto her children which means they will have a lower chance of survival and the lineage will end. If she sleeps with an attractive guy, then it is at least ensuring that her children will have a better chance of survival. The problem with kindness and intelligence is that these things can not be judged quickly. If a woman sleeps with a man and then that man leaves her (which was often the case) then she would have no way of knowing if the man possessed those traits or not. This is why evolution selected women to judge genetic quality based on quick visual data i.e. looks. In terms of kindness, this is also only more important for the survival of the woman herself (kind men likely will provide resources and care for her) which is secondary to reproduction. Reproduction takes precedent in evolution, so looks will always come first in both sexes. Though men will probably value kindness more because it correlates to a nurturing mother which is key for his offspring’s survival. Hence why the “nice guys finish last” thing is usually only said about men. Despite what is said in this video, women care a lot less about a guy being nice when it comes to just sleeping with a man.
@@JohnnyWalkerBlack142 Your analysis is incomplete. Kindness is also a marker for genetic quality because in order to share your resources with others (which kindness generally entails - even if that resource is nothing more than your time) you have to be successful enough to take the fitness hit from helping out someone else. This can be seen in anthropological studies of hunter gatherer societies - those who behave more altruistically are more successful at finding partners. As far as being able to judge qualities such as kindness - evolution absolutely did not select women to depend on quick visual data for the simple reason that for almost the entirety of human evolutionary history we lived in close-knit and relatively insular tribal groups and you would have known any potential partners very well, probably from birth. Speed dating did not exist in the Paleolithic. Whether women give more weight to physical characteristics or to personality traits such as "kind," and "loyal" actually depends on their social and economic situation. Studies have repeatedly demonstrated that in poor and violent societies women are more likely to choose stronger and stereotypically masculine partners. In wealthier and more peaceful societies (so most of the Western world, and definitely where Jeff Nippard is living) women are more likely to choose partners based on desirable character traits (and yes, kindness and intelligence are typically weighted very heavily). So no, looks don't always come first (although they always help - a kind and attractive man will be more successful than a kind and unnattractive man). I am finishing up a degree in biological anthropology and have had to read a lot about this topic.
Intelligence and kindness probably matter more for keeping a relationship compared to initially getting into a relationship or hooking up (where they can't necessarily determine those things accurately). I think the stats are that most married people are married to someone of similar intelligence to themselves
As a woman who likes to lift and do sports, I can say that most of the women I met (who lift and don't lift) they also dislike "5" the crazy buffed up dude taking steroids. I can appreciate their dedication to achieve this, but its not as attractive. Indeed number 3 muscularity is my favorite. It shows dedication and not being crazy about the gym and self-obsessed about muscles and lookin "small" which a lot of guys fear. I also don't prefer number 1 cause they look a bit weak and soft. So in reality AVERAGE muscles gym lifter is the winner. Actually just being sporty, athletic and fit is enough to get that first attraction. So even if you don't go to the gym but you play sports is also good. At the end of the day, being attracted to certain muscles size is only the beginning chapter of the relationship. Personality, common interests/values and compatibility are always more important for a lasting healthy relationship.
There's nothing average about that physique. This is how delusional women are. 3+ is maybe 5% of male gym goers. Easily less than 1% of the general population.
I think women tend to have a bit wider variance in what they like than men so being skinny, cardio body, ultra roided jacked etc.. is very popular with some women. But as you say the natural jacked look is definitely the most popular overall.
You wanna know what’s crazy about Jeff? He has millions upon millions of subscribers… and yet he doesn’t make zany overproduced controversial videos meant to keep us consuming. He just picks a topic, does a great job explaining it, and focuses on what he knows and is good at. I wish everyone who made videos like this could succeed so thoroughly. Thank you Jeff, keep up the awesome work.
Asking people in the gym only is really niche, what I mean is people outside the gym may find in shape people more attractive or less than those who also lift. Most of the world doesn’t lift so your partner most likely doesn’t. But just an observation from a social scientist.
Short answer: yes. Long answer: Yes, essentially all initial attraction (first 2 weeks after meeting each other) is based on looks. People who claim otherwise and say they're attracted to personality fail to realise that whenever we see an attractive person we do not (or barely) know, we positively RATIONALISE about how their personality is. That's called the Halo effect, and is scientifically proven again and again. So as long as looking more athletic (which often requires lifting weights) makes one look more conventionally attractive, then yes, more people want to date you if you do that. edit: don't get me wrong, personality is of course the most important after the initial attraction-phase. It's an honest truth that people must know, because right now many are buying into the myth that people fail in their love life because there's something wrong with them on the inside. People don't get dates because they are pure of heart, they get dates because they're attractive. And of course, people don't get rejected because they are impure in any way, but because they are unattractive. It's horrendous to see how so many develop a genuine belief in that they are inadequate as a person over a dumb feel good hollywood myth
Absolutely. States preferences versus revealed preferences are two completely different things. Women can say they like nice guys, when what they mean is that they like tall, handsome nice guys.
That's an oversimplification. People should want to exercise because being healthy is a worthy goal in and of itself, but no amount of exercise is going to remove underlying insecurities. I agree that a certain baseline level of attractiveness is necessary to get a date with most people, but that means not being a total slob for the most part. After you get a date, personality absolutely matters and people who work on themselves both physically and mentally have significantly more attractive personalities than those who don't
Yeah, physical attractivenes matters in the start, a bit, but in long term its not a priority at all, otherwise no relations would exist past 50, where most people lose their charm, and its not like you need to be attractive, there are plenty of average looking guys, or even ugly ones, with partners way more atractive than them, and the other way around. So you are comparing how you feel with research, and claiming yourself to be right. Maybe its a coping mechanism, to deal with the fact that you arent very intelligent, while the video shows thats what matters the most.
Even satisfaction/happiness part of the questionnaire can be misleading. It might not be the muscle/lack of bodyfat that makes people more satisfied or happy, but that satisfied/happy people have the energy to exercise more.
You could be right - one might assume that more fit girls have more experienced with gym guys who might don't treat them well and as a result, they're selling gym guys short to be in a relationship where they feel like they are the more attractive partner. Obviously I made this hypothesis up on the spot, but if Jeff's results align with existing scientific literature, there should be no difference between populations/samples.
I’ve never cared to workout to impress women. My sole purpose for weight training is to break my limits and become the strongest possible version of myself. I have an end goal in mind to satisfy my own desires as a strength athlete.
One doesn't really invalidate the other. 1. He says that kindness is ONE OF the most important qualities, so there's still room for fame and financial stability to weigh heavily as well. 2. While kindness is one of the most important traits, there are absolutely certain people for which fame and wealth, when taken to enough of an extreme, will start to weigh even heavier than kindess. 3. Only a miniscule number of people will ever be famous or wealthy, so it's true that kindness is one of the most important traits for the general public.
People driven by their need to prove themselves, and are self-obsessed, being drawn to people who need to prove themselves and are self-obsessed, shocker. The millionaires and movie stars who are in long-term, stable relationships are usually not attention seekers and they often met their significant others before fame hit.
Yes exactly, if you have one partner and get married to her. That means you are likely a person who isn't so self centered and need your partner to be subservient. You are either a person who understands fairness or are willing to be subservient to your partner. Either way, you aren't the problem in the relationship, you are always willing to make it work no matter what your partner and you go through.
@@nunninkav Exactly. Kindness never got any woman, only the fastes way into the friendzone. Woman desire self-assured, purposeful, successful Alphas. Kindness is instead contraindicating.
@@nunninkavright? women answer these questions based on their thinking, but they choose men based on their feelings, and the two almost never match; virtually antagonistic 😂
Kindness is one of the very first traits you see in a person when you interact with them… what do you mean? So much of these types of comments sound like people projecting their massive insecurities as realities
in my very personal experience, being jacked can be good and bad to attract the women. first of all, all women and men love muscles. and thats a fact. so if anyone who says otherwise, that person has never seen or touched a real muscular jacked body before. so it definitely gives you advantage to attract the eyes in the beginning. However, once you are jacked you will automatically become a jackazz more or less. and if you are enhanced you will sometimes act strange too. and that will scares off people or women who were in the first place attracted by you.
Exactly. For most people the optimal situation would be high relationship satisfaction and a low number of lifetime partners. I could think of some ways that physical fitness relates to this. People with high relationship satisfaction and few lifetime partners tend to be more religious, and higher than the general population in both trait orderliness (which basically is sensitivity to disgust), agreeableness, and in impulse control, while being lower than average in neuroticism. Being high in orderliness and impulse control strongly predicts self-discipline and I assume it also predicts a higher than average level of physical fitness.
@@vega23565 No but it helps reveal your TRUE features so theres more objectivity im how you look so you can go from there. Its a net POSITIVE regardles😂. Theres literally no negatives in getting fit that I cam think of
having muscles won't hurt, and the kind of confidence (which in experience of many people is as attractive as the traits you mentioned, citation: the tiktok with a girl talking about "short tall" and "tall short") you get from lifting, being stronger overall and looking better both in clothes and naked is, in my opinion, irreplacable
Face is cope. You can be average looking and still pull a lot, but height is the thing that will separate you. Being 5’8 and below is a death sentence, 5’9-6’0 is neutral, and anything higher is a massive plus.
Started gym a year ago Bench 50kg with reps. Don't have spotter for a pr. Partners 3 (life total). Married...11 years. Short guy at 164cms. A lucky bastard here
I’m a decent size, bench 345, about 14-15% body fat (currently dieting), and 27 years old. Been happily married for 2 years and been with my now wife for 6 years. I’ve always had a girl around me, but when i was a kid, i was FAT (got up to 280lbs at 13 years old…) and still had girls around in my fat days. Massive imposter syndrome. I love training and what it’s done for me, but there’s still times where when I’m bulking and get a little fat the insecurity creeps in. This video actually really put things in perspective. As much as this is kind of just a fun thing, it actually really helps seeing data on this. Good thing my wife doesn’t mind a little body fat 🤣
There's a lot, and I mean a LOT that could be discussed in reference to all these stats. The broad takeaway for me is that being stronger and more muscular correlates with having more sexual partners, however more sexual partners is consistently linked to lower levels of long term happiness and fulfilment, which is also linked to drug use, and very strong/muscular people are generally more likely to be using drugs. Physical fitness seems to only be linked to actual long term happiness and success in a relationship up to the point of general health and wellness, where confidence, discipline and hard work are traits linked to both of these constructs.
I surveyed the literature on this and one of the things I remember is that more muscle is definitely better for 'short -term pairings' aka casual sex, compared to long-term relationships. There was another study that found that the more attractive a woman (using waist to hip ratio as a proxy for attractiveness), the more muscularity they preferred. The overall implication to me is that women (men too I'm sure) aren't attracted to men in a vacuum, they learn their own value in the dating market as well as the tradeoffs of different attributes, and this ends up shaping what they state their preferences are.
@@ordinarryaliendating is by definition a marketplace with limited resources on either side and competition with others. The currency is one’s own attractiveness (however you define that) and they succeed or fail to get what they want based on that. You might not like the language being conflated with financial language but it works in the same way
@@deelarso3766 I know but the term "dating market" is often associated with incel and red pill circles, giving it a negative connotation that objectifies relationships. This is similar to how the swastika or the salute, though not invented by the Nazis, is now universally avoided due to its association with their atrocities. Just as we have abandoned symbols linked to harmful ideologies, we should be cautious about using language that perpetuates unhealthy views on relationships. Choosing terms that emphasise respect and emotional connection can foster a more positive discourse around dating.
@@ordinarryalien dating is one big market place wether you like it or not. You can use any words you like to describe it, but it won't change reality that the dating market is just that. A market. Changing words doesn't change reality, so why not just use the appropriate terms which describe reality as it is?
Jeff, you are so great. I love watching your videos. The infusion of science that you pour into them without turning them to be boring is such a precious skill. 💯
Hey Jeff, I really apprecate the content! I love how you highlight that your data shows no causality, only correlations. Since I know you have a scientific background and aspires to go into a PhD, I'd like to give you some data presentation feedback. I'm sure that a lot of your audience is science versed and most people would probably appreciate if you work on your figures. Bar plots with no data points and no error bars should be illegal. For every bar plot you showed, I kept asking myself if there is really a difference between your groups or not. If you have too many points to plot with the bars, you could opt for violin plots instead. They're much more informative as they also show the distribution of the data within each group. If you really want to stick with bar plots, at least put on some error bars into those. For videos like these (where you gather some data and then present it), I think it would be awesome to spend 1 or 2 extra minutes explaining your methods. Throughout the video, I was always confused if a bar plot was coming out of a survey that you did with your subscribers or if it was coming from the few people you talked to in the gym... Sample size matters a lot. If you show averages only from ~20 people you talked to around the gym, the results are very weak. But if you have thousands of responses from a survey to the subscribers, then the data starts to become a lot of more interesting. I'm sure you know all of this stuff already, but it would be awesome to see it being implemented in the videos! Consider using the software GraphPad Prism for plotting your data instead of excel. You'll have a way easier time. Thank you for the amazing work and content! Cheers
ancient greeks didnt look as those statues did, they sculptures were the fantasies of perverts & nonces turned into statues =D & in the uk "body buiding" in the 80s was only found or seen in the back of the beano comic next to the JOKE shop classifieds hahaha
I suspect this is also why women think its attractive to have massive lips or botox etc, whereas most men dont really want that or find it overly attractive.
There's definitely a correlation. Over the past 15 years, I've lived through being fat, very lean with athletic muscularity (triathlete), getting chubby again, then lifting (increasing muscle-mass and getting to high teens/low 20s body fat). I've been married since the triathlon stage but it's blindingly obvious that girls have taken a lot more interest during the triathlete stage and lifting stage than at other times. It's also a bit of a snowball affect as a good physique and attention builds confidence that is also an attractive trait. You don't need to be jacked to find lots of partners, or the one great one, But it certainly helps if they're already checking you out.
No woman is going to select a "jerk" when given the option on a survey, that in no way reflects what happens in real life because people select what they think they should most of the time on surveys.
No sane individual would get involved with an asshole. There are some people with issues however, and other factors at play here like low intelligence, manipulation, etc
It's hilarious how woman always say this while no hot asshole badboy is ever single and they always had the hottest chicks, growing up. Most men have this experience but according to women it all ain't true.
It's also relative. It is easy to justify your partners behaviour. The world might see an awful guy or girl and rate them as a total jerk, while their partner is more inclined to see the circumstances and rate them as nicer.
It seemed like all of these women are pretty into fitness so maybe a selection bias lol. I can confidently say that lifting has garnered me more unwanted gay male attention and not as much overt female attention as younger me had hoped. Also there may be reporting bias where certain people might be more prone to overreport things like # partners.
generally initiation is men's role, and IMO gaining muscle definitely helped my dating life although women still never approach me. It does make you more attractive to women which is hugely important in whether or not your advances (or online dating profile) is successful or not
Such an incredible video!! 🙌🏼 Always coming through with absolute bangers! This vid was such a huge project that I went through 3 different haircuts in the clips 😅 ps Jeffanie going 8 years strong ♥️
Aren't you like his wife or girlfriend or something? Why are you leaving a random youtube comment to show support LMAO literally text him or go walk into the next room and tell him... again, are you not his wife or girlfriend?
@@DogMakingSausage You and I live in very, very different realities, my guy. My perspective on life isn't tainted by the frustration of endless sexual rejection like yours is.
