Guys hate her as much as you want but Tyra Sanchez completely ATE the girls up in season 2, not only she never landed on the bottom but also had 3 wins and she never placed below safe, also no, Raven was not robbed in neither season she competed in, she lost fair and square.
Tyra would never have a won in a later season, since production looks now more in other aspects. Her bitchy arrogant character would now prevent her to win.
@@dattebayodattebanedattebasa She had immunity at the times she did the "worst" (the Snatch Game, the Rocker girl challenge) so she never really had a chance of being in the bottom two. It kind of depends on your point-of-view whether "immunity" negates a low placement because it basically is a free-ride to next week. Anyway the only time she got negative critiques was the Rocker challenge and she almost certainly wouldn't have been in the bottom there anyway.
@@dattebayodattebanedattebasa Sure you're right but OP (and I) never said Tyra was always high, just that she never placed below safe. (You can be low-safe and still safe, it just means you were never in the bottom two).
Tyra was a villain and Raven was not? I vividly remember the “I would never say that” to Tatiana and then the camera going to confessional where Raven destroyed everything Tati did (“her outfit is sh*t, her book is sh*t etc). That never could be a winner. Also Tyra slayed.
Gigi Goode was allegedly disqualified as well. She filmed her first finale lip sync in a studio when the rules stated it had to be from home because of the pandemy.
The edit was not a winning one from snatch game to basically her third win. Sapphira was shown to have a fully-rounded narrative with one slip up to show “vulnerability” and the rest of the cast loved her. Nymphia went from a sleeper threat in the first half of the season to a little bit of a whiner who gets in her own head when she doesn’t need to. I don’t need the edit to make it *too* obvious who will win (AKA Season 15), but Nymphia was given a strong “finalist material with room to grow” edit for a large part of the season
@@Deedj1Agree with you 100%. I was rooting for Nymphia since the beginning and rlly wanted her to win the entire series since she represented Asians amazingly. However, I felt like the edit they gave her was unfinished, her performance in the middle portion of the competition was edited in a way that showed Nymphia as a contestant burning out and it was slow and then in the last portion of the season they completely rushed the ending of her storyline. It just wasn’t paced very well.
I can see why. I just don’t like winners that flop snatch game. Mind you, do an OK job (i.e. Violet) is enough. But train wrecks in snatch game (Yvie, Brooklin, Nymphia) in my mind blocks out a win.
I never understand the nymphia and jaida critique because why do you need to be spoon fed a winner edit? Like you shouldn’t have to rely on the edit to formulate your own thoughts
It just leaves things to be desired and let’s be honest Jaida was not winning that season originally even Heidi did in interviews some months back and she believed Sherry was gonna win and if not Sherry Gigi was Jaida was the last resort they had to go with
I agree, I said from the beginning just like many, looked at Nymphia as the winner. Then they're surprised she won. She a better track record enough to win more than Willow and Yvie. Where Sasha was the obvious production winner but also had a good showing anyway. In ANTM many winners were hidden.
Also... all stars 6, i know people said the trinity k bonet had a bad attitude but i feel like it was justified, she was robbed of her top 4 spot where she could have (possibly) won the crown or even be a runner up...but thats just my opinion
Tbh, if Trinity K Bonet made the cut, it's just gonna be her and Ra'Jah fighting for the crown in which TKB would undoubtedly win. But the producers did her dirty. Trin absolutely really deserved that and she's valid to feel like a sore loser.
Many queens have said that she has a bad attitude and brings a negative energy to the room, both on the show and on tour. You can see it on multiple episodes of the show, not just when she got eliminated.
Agree. As a fan of her going into as6 i immediately noticed her change. She had a bad attitude from the begining and also showed non sportmanship thats how i knew she wouldnt win. The silky special episode sealed her fate. Production/editing couldnt hide it at all
Thanks for letting me know! I honestly don't remember reading much outrage after Willow won from the communities I was in, but just shows how different communities have different thoughts.
I believe that was more the producers trying to add shock factor in the bottom 2 cause Willow was far from the worst in the remix, even willow said they filmed all the girls getting eliminated that episode. I don’t understand why it was even controversial, all the queens were deserving of winning the crown they all did well the whole season
Tyra would be in the Button with jujubee in the Rocker chick Episode, without Immunity, and would Had send Home, cause jujubee killed the lipsynch so hard and would besten everyone in it
Other controversial winners would be Lawrence Cheney, Krystal Versace, Blu Hydrangea, Tia Kofi, Elektra Bionic, Lina Galore, Vanessa Van Cartier, Giselle Lullaby, Precious Paula Nicole and Captivating Katkat.
Giselle deserved her win!!!! Jada, Kimmy Couture, and Miss Fierce had more low moments in S3 of CDR! Did we watch the same show? After Giselle’s Snatch Game performance, it was obvious that she was going to win by the way they edited it!
@joaqueen Fierce had a better overall track record, and Giselle had no storyline. Not to mention that Fierce was the only reason Canada 3 was watchable. The fact that Fierce couldn't even lip sync for the crown makes it controversial. Also, many say that she lost her finale lip sync. My list was based on fan perception, not my own opinion as well.
Was Blu really that controversial ? I feel like going into the finale, we all agreed she was the only queen left who deserved the crown, since Mo and Baga were just ok and Juju did terribly that season
@maximeminassian6002 I agree. But based on the criteria of the frontrunner being eliminated before the finale, it fits. I think it was a controversial season more than anything. But also, I don't feel like Blu is treated as a winner by the fan base so...
I love your speech about season 12, and I agree 100%, Jada deserves the crown. Tyra was always on the top or safe, never bottom, Raven lip sync 2 times, no doubt for me Tyra was the winner I was rooting for Saphira but Nymphia did well!
Idk but I've seen a lot of people rooting for Nymphia more than Sapphira even before the season starts. People only started to root for Sapphira mid season.
You don't need to point out the visuals for Jinkx's crowning, you can HEAR the audio. It's actually crazy how after this many years the audio people/editors there have actually no idea what they're doing.
I dont think bosco was a frontrunner tho. Lady Camden yess but bosco got in 1 season a middle row start,a downfall and at the second part a rudemption which is a good edit but maybe not for a winner. +i think willow was like a second front runner since she only got one win but indeed had many fans and was def robbed of some wins with so many high placements
@@DanteFrank123I mean, Willow got her win in the beggining of the season and she ended the season in the bottom. Its like a "one shot wonder". And even that one win was debated.
@@jpmedina8328that bottom placement at the end was for shock factor , cause she wasn’t even the worst in the music video, even willow said they filmed all the girls getting eliminated that episode
@@corkyhorror9225 Who cares lol. The show still flunged her into the bottom. Imo it should have been Bosco vs Angeria, but it happened with Willow. Thats what we got. Besides, she was the 3rd best tha week.
I'm sorry but if you didn't see Nymphia winning or as a winner you really were blind. It's the main reason why there were a lot of RU-vidrs making videos about her edit being weird because they saw that production wanted her as a winner but she got a weird edit especially in the middle of the season
idk... you might wanna rewatch the season cuz she was absent for a lot of episodes, and when she WAS there it was her lying on the floor sulking about not being able to do it and everyone being frustrated and annoyed at her in confessionals because of it. Going into the finale there was like a slim possibility she could sneak in, because you never know what can happen especially with a lip sync for the crown, but Sapphira definitely had the most momentum and the entire season's edit really was just "this is how Sapphira is going to win" while Nymphia got more of a "she's a finale contender but she needs room to grow, gain confidence, and mature in some areas"
"Symone was the front-runner" - What's your definition of front-runner? I thought that a front-runner is someone who had the best track record (or when the scores are close enough, who has more wins/made a bigger impact). Rose (at least by my definition) was the clear front-runner. She had one less win than Symone but, two more highs, a top 2 and a low (while Symone had no lows, but 2 bottom placements). Not saying that Symone did not deserve to win, but can we start giving Rose her flowers? Having one of the best TR's is the whole RPDR and best TR out of all non-winners (US, regular seasons) is, imo, a big accomplishment.
I mean, i go by that defenition aswell, but Symone was so talented and fashion foward on S13 that i consider her a front runner too. Looking back at it, her hold on the competition was very opressive and i think her TR is very fair, especially when we compare it to S13 overall judging (a rigged af season).
Honestly S13 should've been between Rosé and Gottmik, Symone did good but not enough to win and Kandy was there only because Ru liked her but she was trash compared to the others
I agree with pretty much everything you said, except that Sapphira's solo number was the best for me. Just think that the song choice for the final lipsync got her. And Nymphia is a great option of a winner and has been doing a lot since her crowning.
I don’t think Nymphia’s win was controversial. Nymphia or Sapphira would’ve had controversy either way. Following Marina Summers’ snub, the fanbase was probably gonna explode if another Asian queen gets snubbed … especially Nymphia. This would’ve been the season where a double win could’ve saved all the controversy.
I loved katya on her season...i accepted the fact that alaska was gonna win but i was expecting that ru would twist the result in favor of katya but alaska would eventually take her crown... love them both tho
Funny people didn’t agree with Nymphia winning and she is the queen with the best reign in the shortest amount of time of any winner and that’s just FACTS
I wouldn’t say Sapphira was robbed (Nymphia had an amazing showing and was without a doubt the runway queen, sorry Q), but I think production missed an opportunity not using the double crowning edit. They would have been an AMAZING set of twinners, and we’ve never had a double crowning on the main series. They were both so extremely deserving.
For me all stars 3,4 and 6 was wild 3 - Shangela ofc should won 4 - Manila or Trinity by herself but they didn’t want another white blonde queen so 6 - Ra’Jah, I can’t believe that people agree with the results… Kylie was okay but she even Ginger made more sense
Nymphia absolutely had a winner edit. The editors know that looosing is the new winning, and they know that showcasing nymphia as a "non proeuction favorite", especially compared to Sapphira, is going to make her fan support boom The finale lipsync was filmed quite early, before the airing of the season, so the editors could have this storyline of "non favored/loosing into snatching the win thanks to the lipsync " and know nymphia would have rhe most fan support
I think when you want someone as a contender to win in the audience's mind, you need them to be present in their minds and make them think "oh yeah I know this queen, I love this queen, she's done really great in this competition" and they will do that by making them present in the edit and giving them screentime and confessionals and all that. Nymphia was absent for a lot of the middle-half of the season especially around the Rusical time. Being an underdog is one thing and Willow Pill proved you can absolutely win with that kind of edit, but being completely absent from the show is another...
Nymphia got probably the worst winner edit in modern drag race. She was literally shown as goofy supporting character on the show. She also somehow got away with not being in bottom for THAT snatch game and those damn Yellow runways.
@@sagrecordsdoll of course few yellow runways....the confessional look.....the werkroom look......not even counting the banana runways....the girl group looks.......the entrance and the final look
@@maximeminassian6002 well since we're not going by the producers decisions, she shouldn't have been in the bottom for that episode in the first place.
Well, technically in S13 and 14, Rose and Lady Camden were the frontrunners, but Willow's and Symone's wins were pretty obvious regardless, since they were fan favs with best storylines and also very good track records.
Also: S9, 12 and 16 are seen as the greatest seasons of all time. So having a controversial win also helps making a season great, because a surprising winner is just more exciting, than a season where it is clear from the beginning.
I feel like it’s quite just not true that Symone and Willow were the front runners, not saying they shouldn’t have won, just saying they were not the front runners
Nymphia had an equal chance of winning the season as Sapphira did and it truly came down to the final lip sync, of which Nymphia ate Sapphira up. If you really need a contrived storyline to tell you who's gonna win, that speaks more on you than it does of the winner.
*TYRA SANCHEZ* deserved her win! It was so wrong the way she was treated. It's because of this that I have always given Raven the side eye. She was absolutely a sore loser who thought she was better than she was. What she and the toxic fans of white privilege did to Tyra was out of order and sad to watch.
@donWWE31108 She went on to be toxic because of the barrage of abuse she faced after her win. 🤨 Have you forgotten what happened? Even when all the Queens did that collective interview around that table speaking to the fans and media when they had Tyra placed at the edge of the table like some afterthought and Raven arrived late on purpose being dramatic and then was placed at the center of the table as if she had won. And then Michelle Visage posting that Raven was robbed and then all of social media running with it; targeting tyra and attacking her. This was *Before* Tyra started acting out. White privilege in all of its toxic and rotten glory. Absolutely disgusting. Now. .. you want to blame Tyra. Acting like it was all on her. That's some bullshit and so unfair. You are part of the problem she didn't deserve that. However, see how quickly people jumped on her when she retaliated. Even when it came to Dragcon and no one went to her booth because #RavenWasRobbed was trending? She's only human. How would you feel if that was you?
@donWWE31108 She became toxic as a trauma response to all the abuse she faced after her win. She was so epic on her season and is the reason I started watching the show.
There’s absolutely nothing controversial about nymphias win unless you’re a delusional sapphira Stan, besides snatch game she had an incredible track record, phenomenal runways and performance and was entertaining, and honestly the top 3 was one of the best top 3 the show has ever had, if this was like season 6 where the finale was just a reunion and the finalist don’t do anything and just get crowned I wouldn’t be surprised if nymphia, plane, or sapphira won they all had ups and downs in the competition but still did phenomenal but after the finale we got with their runways, performances, and lipsync there’s no way nymphia wasn’t winning
@@johnnybaxter8078 I’m confused how she was edited out in ep 2, 3, 5, 6, 9, 11, 13, and 14 where she showed how amazing she was, was mostly in the top with 3 wins, and got praise from the judges and other queens, and had plenty of confessional, and even in ep 8, 10, and 12 where she did poorly she still wasn’t in the background but opening up about her self esteem issues failing those challenges helped her win ep 14 so it was a full circle moment for her storyline, literally only ep she was in the background was maybe ep 7 ( and maybe ep 4 but I skipped it when I saw mirage was eliminated so idk how she did ) so I’m genuinely have no idea how you think she was a background character 💀
I want to take a moment to thank you all for sticking up for Tyra. There was never an issue of her winning until Michelle Visage went on her "Raven was robbed" campaign. Then it was all downhill after that. Then once WOW joined in there was no coming back. They invalided her win, and Rupaul never stood up for Tyra. Drag race created this narrative of queens being robbed, but they arent.
After Shangelas true colors were shown I don’t think anyone thinks it’s controversial anymore thank god Trixie won but yea then it was very controversial
I had really weird feelings about Sasha's win in season 9 because I was really rooting for her the whole way through but by the time we got to the end I felt like she hadn't been given the wins to back it up. But I also thought she'd been overlooked for at least one solo win (the ball) and hadn't really been gotten her flowers so I was fine with a Shea win because she was still dope on her season and then they kind of did an uno reverse because of the new format messing with things. Was just odd.
I disagree that Jinkx was expected to win Season 5. I think that would've been anyone from Rolaskatox, most likely Roxxxy. Jinkx was a dark horse that got read all season for her drag, then proved why she deserved the crown. Nymphia is another one that snuck up on everyone. That's not controversial, that's talent.
@@totsss if anything i was sure alaska was NOT gonna win. her only arc was being sharon's bf who needs to prove herself while roxxxy and jinkx had way more compelling storylines. If s5 was s1 or 2 roxxxy would've taken it 100%.
"Best Solo number" While I won't deny Nymphia's lip sync performance. To say her solo number was the best is a choice. Sapphira ate the both of them up with her solo number, it was perhaps one of the best solo numbers in drag races, imo.
Wins that don't make sense to me no matter how anyone tries to justify: S14-Willow S16-Nymphia AS1-Chad AS3-Trixie AS4-Monet AS6-Kylie UVTW1-Blu UVTW2-Tia CVTW1-Rajah
Please hear me out: I 100% disagree with the comment that the George Floyd protest didn't have somethingt to do with the fact that Jaida won. It 100% did. Does that mean Jaida is not worthy of the title? Absolutely not. But Ru Paul's Dragrace has ALWAYS been in tune with social discourse, picking winners and storylines that would create the most buzz and add to positive social change / discourse. To think otherwhise is just ignorant. Please don't be a RuPologist that will always defend the picked winner, no matter what. The winners 100% deserve their win, every time. I would argue if you make it to the top 3/4 you are somewhat deserving of the title. It's just RuPauls Emmy's choice at that point. I think Jaida is a fabulous winner, and I am happy she won. She is absolutely deserving. Was so happy to see her win. But in an alternate Universe where Gigi or Crystal won, you would sit here make the same video and bring the same arguments over why the fanbase thinks one of the other girls shouldve won I guarantee!!!! Edit: corrected last sentence, lol
I would argue that Nymphia winning also has somethng to do with the Taiwan conflict. Now - does she deserve to win? ABSOLUTELY. SHE ATE THAT LIPSYNC IN THE FINALE: But would the drag race fandom be sitting here and finding reasons for why Saphira deserved the win if she won instead? Well yes. Because most of the fanbase are rupologist. Did Nymphia winning bring a lot of queer interest in Taiwanese culture? Well yes. If you think politics have nothing to do with who wins, I think you should know.
The fact that Monet X Change, one of the strongest queens in history, is part of this countdown of dubious winners is a testament to just how legendary Manila Luzon is
Why was Tyra the villain of the season???? Because she won three challenges? Honestly, I don’t get why she get that much hate. It just sounds racist to me. Raven was insulting other contestants in the confessionals basically every episode, and still you don’t see her as a villain. Think about that.
I truly do not remember Jaida's win being all that controversial. The fans kind of turned on Gigi a bit mid season, as they felt she was getting clearly favored by the judges and earned a win or two that wasn't quite deserved. In fact, at the time of the Top 3 social media posts, Crystal was the favorite to win, with Jaida in second
I don't know how anyone watched season 16 and thinks Nymphia is a controversial winner. She was obviously going to be in the top after seeing her first or second runway. Icon.
Lmao to say Willow was the frontrunner is a S-T-R-E-T-C-H. Camden ate that season and we all knew that. Actually, most of the opinion in this video is a stretch anyway, so it's very on brand tbw. P.S. - saying "track record" while showing Shangela wearing a record outfit is honestly a cunt edit and it slayed me fierce. Werk!
So, Raven wasnt a villain? The girl literally had a few girls mad at that reunion versus Tyra who didn't have any issues. The only issues she had was with Tatianna and Juju but they got cool on the show and after. Yall refuse to call Raven out.
How was Willow frontrunner? Bosco, Angeria and Camden all had better track records. Daya also could have easily won more challenges and there's isn't a challenge apart from the ball that Willow could have won.
Seeing all of the delusional Nymphia stans is so funny. It's like they're all trying to convince themselves that she was going to win all along. Even though she was less consistent, had a worse track record, and was hardly shown in those latter half episodes. Like sure, good for her, but it was a shock when RuPaul called her name above Sapphira
Many realized that at the time. She decimated the first half of the season. Bimini only came alive after the pandemic-enforced break which hit Lawrence a lot harder mentally - all clubs were shutdown in Scotland while queens in England were still able to work
@@morgenmuffel5747No they didnt. The outrage was *HUGE* at the time. Ppl were being "oh she just won bcs fat" or "we all knew Ru loved her so thats why she won". Ppl were *OBSSESED* with Bimini.
I wouldn’t say nymphia had the best solo number. Ppl don’t like sapphires boots but the audience was up and vibing they both did great tbh it was a very close race
i want to watch the original edit of s12... as it aired, Gigi Goode's story is not exactly a winner edit. She had massive fan support because she's skinny, white and fashion, but she did quite poorly in multiple challenges and was saved from the bottom. Her crowning wouldn't be half as satisfying as Jaida's, who had a very traditional winner track record despite receiving little help from the producers.
Trixie definitely DID NOT deserve the crown in AS3. She is just mediocre , basic and overhyped. In AS3 most of the queens are more talented than her. Former WOW staff confirmed Trixie was rigged to win that season since she used to work with RuPaul before
Nymphia, Sasha and Jada are the only two I can say had me say "what?" when they won. Same with Symone. Nymphia has no personality, Jada is whatever, and Symone we've seen it all before. Sasha has no personality imo.
was Tyra's crowning controversial in 2010???? the "Raven should've won" movement feels like it happened later, as Tyra quite obviously dominates the competition despite being a "villain". Raven is just as villainous, but with a much worse track record.
no shade in this comment, but i feel like you grazed over all stars 2 just a bit. it was more controversial than people just wanting katya to win. alaskas ex spilled ALL the tea on reddit and a lot of fans ended up thinking she should’ve been disqualified, after she sent home tatianna again & then alyssa going home over her & roxxxy , people were FLOOOODING her comments with 🐍, if you go back she has over like 3,000 comments on her winning post. it was VERY controversial
Girl come on 🙄..despite not appearing on the confessionals enough, nymphia's run on the season was phenomenal. She never had to lip sync for the life once,where saphira has lip synced for the life,and also she did good almost every challenge and the challenges that she struggled a little was immediately taken away by her runway looks. So in my opinion she is the rightful one to win the crown, and if the girls have a problem with it.. well cry about it Mmwa😚💕
Sapphire has to lipsync once but she also had more wins …so that kinda evens out I think from an editing perspective Sapphire was the one they were painting out to be the winner all season whereas Nymphia was a background character and then to have her lose out in the end sucked and I just was a bigger fan of hers that banana stuff got old real fast and it became annoying to me
@@marcusmelancon3426 Sapphira had ONE more win, Nymphia could’ve also easily and justifiably gotten another 2 wins. I agree that she didn’t get a winners edit, but she had a good track record that landed her in the finale, which she then ultimately did the best in. That’s why she’s a fully deserving winner.
@@Hidethemmoneyyall She should’ve won snatch game (in my opinion) but I didn’t agree with another one of her wins. Nymphia should’ve also won the talent show (Plane rated her low so it is what it is). Overall if it was completely fair, they would have a very similar track record, with Sapphira having more high placements. She definitely didn’t smoke her, she was just the most consistent. Then Nymphia was better in the finale so her win is absolutely deserved.
How Willow Pill with only 1 win and 2 bottom were a front runner against Candem with 3 wins and 1 bottom? I love love Willow, and wanted her to win, but call her the front runner when we had Candem, and even Angeria, is not that accurate.
It may not be controversial but season 14's top two, Lady Camden and Willow Pill still stands out as a WTF top two especially seeing how much steam Angeria had up until the third from the last episode. Am still stunned she wasn't crowned.
For season 14 I was SURE angeria would win. And from the first episode I thought it was either her or cornbread. No hate to willow tho ofc she’s fabulous 🙏🙏