@@chadjordan2099 that's what I'm saying, don't get me wrong OutKast, Goodie Mob, Major Bank, Ghetto Mafia, A Town Players, and the list goes on. That was the ATL music I say was the shit! Now it's booty!
this brings me back, im grown now but i do remember growing up watching this, it was a couple years old by the time i watched it, what i appreciate is that you didnt only show what parts we always see from this night( suge, snooop, andre) and you actually showed john trying to cool things down, and broke everything down yassine you are doing the music history world wonders with these and i appreciate them so much, thanks.
I will never forget the night Tupac died. It was Friday the 13th, Sept 1996. He had been shot 7 days earlier and everyone expected him to survive, come back and make a bigger diss song than Hit em Up. Something in Hip Hop died with Pac and Biggie. Nothing has ever been the same. Such a sad turn.
You're just a clown talking clown s*** because everybody knows Nas is still making music and I remember the day Tupac died I was happy as hell I'm from the Bronx I was upstate in SUNY Delhi and they announced it some corny girls was crying and I was like f*** that dude he ain't give a fuk about us lol@@TroubledOnePaydirt
@@Selfloathingmisanthrope imagine if y'all had embraced the West and South instead of being a-holes then turned around to become bloods and crips doing gangsta rap with better beats then fell off.🥴
😭🤣yall lames kill me with this. hiphop moves in phases. it was nyc, then cali, them south, Florida, then chi. all those cities can say they took over the game at a point. the facts are most in the GOLDEN AGE OF HIPHOP was nyc artist
What a time to be alive! I remember watching the show back in the day and then telling my friend that shit is going to pop off in there. I was so focused on East Coast/West Coast Beef that I totally forgot about Andre 3000's rant. Dayum Andre! The South was ready too! I was too young to understand the whole magnitude of what was really going on that night. Me and my friends thought the whole shit was funny at the time. Good breakdown of the event! So sad that Pac and Biggie got killed over some BS.
You said that Tupac‘s death row records was feuding with bad boy while he was in prison… that’s not accurate, he wasn’t even signed to death row until Suge came and bailed him out for $3 million.
You are correct. That’s why suge gave him a shout out. The deal was suge bails Tupac out and Tupac releases 3 albums under the death row label. That’s the reason why “all eyez on me” was a double album. “Makavelli the don killuminati: the 7 day theory” was supposed to be his last album to fulfill that agreement
@@AnTunZee and Tupac wanted desperately out that deal and thats why he had so much music after his death cause he was working so hard to meet the 3 album deal. Ppl just thought he had an insane work ethic which he might have...but he was working hard to leave Deathrow.....and Suge knew
That was the night where hip hop as we all know could really end. Like Nas said on The Defiant Ones: > Also, first time I see a so well made analysis of what happened that night in one singular video. Love this🔥
I was 22. Recent grad and was in law school. From Philly, went to Morehouse, and had a paid internship in downtown Manhattan at this firm. I decided to treat myself to a break from work and studying for the bar. I decided to go to The Source Awards. At first, the energy was crazy, in a good way. My homeboy and I talking to all types of females, sapped up Craig Mac, Dazz, and a couple of other rappers. The night was right. I can personally tell you, about 1 1/2 hours into the show, the energy changed. It really felt something was going to pop off at any moment. You saw a lot of dudes posting up instead of trying to holla at the ladies. Dudes had their heads on swivels with a concentrated look, myself included. We stayed for the whole show, but we positioned ourselves for the get out in case something popped off. NY dudes was popping off at the mouth real hard about the diss. I mean regular dudes l, not rappers. The ish was crazy!!!
He absolutely did not. Suge did. You mix the timeline up drastically. You cant bring in the chain story, or the so called hit he ordered as him playing his part. Puff was 100% forced to do that, because you had idiots like suge and pac not having any limits or forsight. And I love DR and Pac, but lets be real. I dont accept nonsense even as a fan of pacs music.
Suge started all that him hiring Bloods for Security. Swelled his and Pac head up thinking they couldn't be touched. Suge hated Puff for having that same type Streets Security. New York Gangsters that could match his Bloods Security !
I actually remember hearing Suge in an interview saying his comment was about Jermaine Dupri because Suge was supposed to sign Lill Bow Wow but Dupri scooped him instead
I was born in 2001 so seeing this whole clip and what everyone had to say was kinda dope to me in a way. I’m really glad that nothing popped off in there even though there was hella tension and animosity in the room.
Fr and if u can’t see that.. u dumb. Especially now. A lot of mfs are playing both sides. But especially snoop. He a rat and phony for what he did to pac.
i hope you do more of these people need too understand these award shows and beefs are crazy becareful in picking and choosing what party or celebration too go too
I somewhat remember watching this as a kid. I recently watched this on RU-vid as an adult and OMG this was a train wreck. A wonderful, awkward, historic train wreck.
I'll never forget this Award Show. 🤣 I was born in Cleveland Ohio home of Bone Thugs and I have Love for them and Eazy E for getting them started but back in the day I was all about the West Coast baby because of the greatest rapper of all time Mr. Tupac Shakur Westside!🤗 I still say that.🤣 🖤
Actually Tupac is from Harlem, New York,born and raised, if u didnt know. So if he end up on west coast, doesnt mean he is representing, if u like him as u say, you would realize that hes 100% east coast when rhyme pattern comes to question. And that east west was just his paranoia that BIG wanted to kill him...Tupac had very messy life in young age, his mom try to move him from all that violence, when they moved in Marin city, but you can take a boy out of hood, but you cant take hood out of homeboy, get it? Sad thing was BIG was shoot dead, again from hand of Suge. For Tupac i dont feel anything. He got what he asked for!!!
I just remember Nas and Mobb Deep was there. And how crazy it was that Biggie won everything while Nas and Mobb Deep was there. Even lyricist of the year and Album of the year. The man himself openly admitted he didn’t think he had a chance with Nas on that joint. Let’s go back years later and revisit as a hip hop fan. Who ran 1995? My only problem with that entire night.
@@dexenationgracey1979 that’s not true, Illmatic and Ready to Die had both went Gold. After sometime had passed they both increased to Platinum and beyond.
Suge gets biggie and tupac killed, suge ends up in prison for the rest of his life and the others do the smart thing, continue making music and have successful careers the end.
@@MikeEdwards-co7ip half and half he just said it all so blunt and randomly in one breathe like woah how did we get to this point!? 🤣🤣 but also i always thought it was well speculated that puff was behind pac's death.
The most dangerous night in hip-hop was March 9, 1997. that was the first example of a rapper getting caught lackin in the opps neighborhood even though his crew was told not to go there.
It was biggie, the entire bad boy crew was warned not to come to Los Angeles because there were still tension after 2Pac was killed. they went to Los Angeles to promote life after death and shoot a video for hypnotized.
You right biggie didn't want to go there Even the ceo trying to convince diddy for the Europe tour Like if I had to choose i would have told diddy to not go to la
nah it was the source awards, it could have been an entire generation of rappers wiped out in one night had it gone south.. You already had tension from all the NY boroughs in there, plus the East V West rivalry... and the south wanting to prove themselves.
I used to love hip hop and beef like this when I was a teen. Now that I’m in my 30s and have people to take care of and set examples for, it’s sad to know people helped encourage and promote such a terrible violent and immoral way of life… But it is nice some of them tried to squash the beef…
I remember a rapper describing how Suge used to discipline his artists and staff like they were his kids. Late? Get smacked, talk back? Get smacked. Etc. And one crazy story of how he beat a disobedient rapper like it was his stepson with punches, kicks, chasing around the office and throwing shit at 'em. Wild.
This is why I love the Pioneers of rap and Hip Hop. They had beef with our enemy and not amongst each other. Melle Mel KRS-1 , Kurtis Blow and others moved like grown men and sent a real message. Sad that we have people who love this beef wars.
They tried real damn hard to bring it together. Dre, Snoop, Diddy. And because of the loss of Pac and Biggie, we wish we could rewind and make it work. Make it happen. But I always think of what might have happened if things were altered. I think of this when I was asked about something I am passionate about that has nothing to do with music. The RMS Titanic. I had always said "Oh I wish I could go back in time, and prevent it from sinking." But my college professor pointed this little nugget out to me. "John do you realize if the Titanic had not sunk that night, its sister ship Britannic would NOT have been made to have lifeboats for everyone. It sank in less than 30 minutes, rather than over 2 hours. Because of the Titanic ALL of Britannic's passengers made it off the ship in less than 30 minutes. (30 died only because they were sucked into the emerging propeller)" That hit me hard. If not for the sinking of the Titanic.....the next 3 sinkings would have had far far more casualties. And 1500 is a hard pill to swallow already. I no longer wish I could change this or alter that. Because there can always be seen a worse scenario down the line from it being altered in hind sight. I then sit in situations like this one and wonder.....would it have gotten worse? How much more worse could it have been? The olive branches were going out......but to no avail. I think honestly it took losing these absolute icons to make people wake the fuck up. Realize how wrong it really was, and how far it was going. But if it had not happened the way it did.....who would not be here now? Dre, Snoop....Wutang, Diddy, I mean the list is long. And then think of the people they have brought into the music world since then. The domino effect is mind numbing. As a lover of the hip hop golden time (80's and 90's) I long for new Tupac music. Biggie on a great track with Michael again. (This Time Around: HIStory) But I always remind myself of how much worse it could have been. It could have ended the entire genre. Maybe these icons were put into the place of losing them to END the absolute violence. It just makes me honor them all the more.
Chief keef would of been invited to the source awards, wish BET was more like the source award cause they’re talking about the state of the culture truthfully in front of everyone involved
@@Chiefteeth1 he said that after finding out they ain’t want him there. So yeah he said fuck them after acting to good to invite the him the breakout artist of the year to the award show. I think Kodak Black got his first invite last year
Man I remember watching this live as a kid. The best hip hop awards ever. The source soundtrack was the shit. I held on to that CD for dear life until my boombox needed repairs at Sears...they broke it. Danny boy on stage with Suge he whined up dead too
Crazy how Outkast was an underdog representing Atlanta, and now Atlanta literally rules Hip hop. Young Thug, Lil baby, Gunna, Gucci Mane, Future, Carti, 21 Savage. like 90 percent of modern mainstream rappers are from there now. Who would have expected
Who else had them the source hip hop hits albums?? Vol. 3 was probably my favorite but i had a couple of them. It was always a good buy back then. You got a lot of hit singles on one album.
I just seen your videos and this has to be one of my favorites I’m hoping if you haven’t already could talk about the Gucci vs Jeezy beef one of the most dangerous feud of the 2000s
People need to remember that east coast/west coast tensions started to buildup a few years before this show. It only heightened after Pac signed with Deathrow.
I love Pac and the artists from Death Row but Suge really is the devil smh. This was the first time I saw the event played out and although it was the abridged version of the whole show, I'm proud of those that chose peace and the bigger picture over instigating. I feel like in today's climate, someone in Diddy's position may have escalated the situation further leading to way more bloodshed.
2pac almost got drafted by the south by j. Prince. Suge came up with the money first and won the powerball meaning pac. Scarface and pac would've been crazy on the same label. Rap alot describes pac work ethic perfectly.
Hip Hop revenue was almost 3 billion in 2021. Not sure we want to say it “died” in 1995. Perhaps it’s best to say the Source Awards event was a “game changer, and a deadly game changer at that” in the Hip Hop industry.
Suge put it on JD because of what Diddy said at his acceptance speech about no drama between the both Coast, so yeah it made Suge want to leave it alone too, plus remember Suge homeboy died in Atlanta in a discussion with Diddy and his team
Diddy was honestly smart as fuck he dealt with all of that like a real gangster. All the mob guys would try to sit down and talk things out back in the day before all the mafia wars.
First, great video, the production and script are fantastic. Second, France. Third, It's a really shame the consequences after the conflict in that Award Show. When you mentioned that Tupac wasn't there, I become sad.
James 4:1-3 (NIV) 1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
Good video, except I think you missed the other part of the point Quest love was making. It wasn’t just the east coast/ west coast beef that killed hip hop as we knew it. Quest love also mentions that at the same time, there was an east coast hip hop civil war going on between was was considered underground at the time ( Wu, red man, black moon , ditc, bush babees, Gangstaar, Native Tongue, etc…) and the new east coast street/commercial/ mafioso kingpin sound that Bad Boy, Raekwon ushered in. When Nas didn’t win a single award for illmatic and no underground artist won anything that night, it was official over for the grimy east coast underground sound. Nas switched his image up the next year, and no underground-style artist except for Wu tang saw that level of notoriety in hip hop ever again. That’s the real reason why Quest Love said hip hop died that night.
@@kwoodward6189 since I was well known in the industry as being from LA and it was mostly an industry crowd - I wasn’t in danger per se - but the death row guys or anyone súper west coast looking - and maybe hard to imagine now but people dressed really different on each coast so it was kinda obvious who was who definitely were not safe in the building or the after parties around town
Was 16 at the time and while watching this it reminded me of a high school assembly in the auditorium and the presenters and winners were like the teachers trying to calm the students down falling on deaf ears 😂
So NOTHING happened other then some Highschool type hand slapping... was wondering why I never herd of what went down. That's because, NOTHING WENT DOWN!!!!
If I remember correctly, pac hadn’t signed yet. They were talking. And therefore, the “east vs west” war didn’t start yet either, it was heating up. But this night and pac A.) joining death row and B.) releasing hit ‘em up started all the stupid shit that has followed.
The 90's was the golden age of rap and R & B at the time I was in my 30's I didnt like rap so much, mainly because gangster rap was for teenagers and people in their 20s, but the R & B male groups Dru Hill , Silk, Jagged Edge, 112 , H-town, boys 2 Men, and the crooners Jaheim, Tyreese, Tank ect were on the scene and I didnt really appreciate all of them the way I do know and how powerful that decade really was because the music the youth have today doesnt compare.
Biggie and Jr. Mafia with lil Kim had a dope performance that night. Look it up. Biggie had me hype when he started out with Yeah. Then stood up. Yeah. Then Kim killled it
Kids of the 70s talk about the summer of love, kids of the 80's talked about rock and roll and cutlasses, and kids of the 90's talked about East Coast vs the West Coast. Lol... There should be a movie made about this.... lol
You know, after all these years of interviews and story telling, there was one thing that stood out...Snoop had beef with both Biggie and 2Pac which gbrings me to a theory that Snoop had something to do with both deaths.
@drosmith1781 True. But Snoop did say in one of his past interview that he Suge and Pac got into it for some reason and was they refused to speak to each other on a plane ride to Vegas...That very day Pac was killed.
That east coast west coast had a huge ripple effect everywhere Even up north in Canada 🇨🇦 lol! You were either down with Biggie or Tupac Me personally listened more to the east coast however back of the bus by Outcast was a club banger with its hard rumbling bass and guitar🎸 accents All of hip hop has evolved since then into somany genres now in 2023 once again awesome short hip hop documentary!!
Pac was bailed out just two months later, so it's possible that he'd made a verbal agreement...and for Suge to shout out Pac during his speech, the deal was definitely in motion
If you watch the jail cells when Death Row artists are performing, you can see a 2Pac figure model made of carton inside on a cell. So that means a lot.