Olivia smashed Final question but Janine was the more well rounded competitor tough call.... This competition is a great example of how different perceptions, beauty standards and small differences can effect the placement of very deserving competitors. Sometimes it comes down to one persons personal preference that determines the outcome but this also shows that regardless of placement a Queen can stand the test of time and leave a mark on the would without having been awarded the top title.
Q: "What is something that you have done that you will never do again?" A: "First I’d like to start off by saying that every experience, no matter what it is, good or bad, you’ll learn from it. That’s just life, but something I’ve done that I’ve probably regretted would be picking on my siblings growing up because you appreciate them so much more when you’re older, you get closer with your family. Everybody fights with their siblings, right?! But I don’t regret it." I agree that the presentation of her answer was very calm, chill, and relatable..but the only thing that didn't make sense to me was the final line of her answer, "But I don't regret it." If she just ended her answer with, "Everybody fights with their siblings, right?!" it would have been better and not contradict her earlier line, "but something I've done that I've probably regretted.." Olivia is one of the prettiest Miss Universes we've ever had, but Janine was the clear winner that night. Period.
It was Trump Era and it was obvious that Trump wanted an air brushed, polished queen and he found it from Olivia. But hey, it was 1 Decade ago and it has been written in the world of Pageantry. So let this issue rest coz both queen have their successful careers now. Janine made Filipinos proud, that matters the most.
@@mariank425 if u saw the original live telecast you would know some part were removed when the 2012 MU was uploaded in youtube. 1. was the start of janine's finals gown competition where she did something with the gown and if I remember right the commentator said something like a "ballerina twirl" 2. After announcement of the winner the camera focused on Trump and the woman with him. The woman was clearly angry and shouting to Trump cause of the final Result This 2 were removed in the full MU 2012 youtube. I liked Olivia, she is beautiful and her answer is amazing if not for the last contradicting line. But the thing is she didn't deserve to enter top 5. Many beat her in the swimsuit and gown segment, so why even bother to argue about qna when she shouldn't have reached that part. Her walk was awful. I am from the Philippines and I accept defeat when there is a better candidate, but 2012 for me was clearly for the Philippines.
@@gemsplus7583 I'm Fil/Am and have lived in the US and the Philippines for years..During MU 2012, I was living in the US and was solely a US citizen at the time (now I'm dual (US/PH)), but Janine was still my winner hands down. If it was in the IMG era, Janine would have been the winner 🏆 I agree, Olivia's swimsuit and gown performance wasn't the best/underwhelming. I just commented about the final Q&A, cuz Davonna mentioned that Olivia "smashed" the Q&A segment & I didn't think she did.
Am South African but I think Phillipines have really been robbed a lot. 1.Miss World 2016 Catriona Gray 2.Miss grand 2020 Samantha Bernardo 3. Miss universe 2012. ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️
Nope it's not those our girls are poor Quality of accepting being deserving to wear a crown I can tell you good answers and performances are not the only basis of being a queen . The best is you've got your beautiful shape of your face a sweet attitude and not rough as rock. I'm so sorry for your poor Results but not that is... USA is the owner of MUO so they know alot than other countries period.🙄🙄🙄
Catriona Gray did make Julia Morley and Miss World wince and mumble when she won Miss Universe 2018. Nawat is a coward for not having the grapefruits to crown the Philippines their winner in Miss Grand International in both 2016 and 2020. Olivia Culpo did return the favor for the Philippines three years later as a judge in Miss Universe 2015 in the same building and same city for Pia Wurtzbach.
Before I write this comment, I must say that I am not american, filipino nor venezuelan. -- I did not watch the show nor did I follow the MU2012 pageant. However, everyone was talking about Miss Philippine being robbed. --After watching the show I must say I liked Venezuela much better, until she decided to answer in "Spanglish (or whatever the hell that was) and it came down to the USA and the Philippines. -- Olivia has a beautiful face and, I think a better final answer, however, anything else goes to the lady from the Philippines. She should had won. -- As someone who speaks Spanish and Portuguese(brazilian), everytime I watch a video about undeserved MU, 2012's is usually one of the top ones. It is obvious to most everybody the crown belonged Janine.
Janine said so herself during an interview. It doesnt matter if you performed better or have given a better answer, it all boils down to the judges. If you did everything right but the judges still think that your not the one then you will not get the crown. Since judging is personal, so they will jusge based on their liking, and at that time they liked Olivia more than they did Janine. So she took home the crown.
I must biasedly agree to you. This is what I notice every year. So the candidates really need to plant in their minds that studying Judges' personality type preference , having American vibe, Magnetic and catchable charisma, Physical and stamina conditioning, knowledgeable and very conversational to every person, and styling and most of all proper ethics and styling is VERY A MUST TO TRAINED! DON'T JUST GO THERE AND FIGHT FOR THE TOP 5 SPOT! BE YOUR MOST TO THE MOST OUT OF WHAT I MENTIONED! It's too hard really, but this is very helpful to you.
Yes very true. Venus Raj also said the same line after her miss universe stint in 2010 Judging is relative. They have varied tastes. Winning beauty contests is largely based on luck as Gloria Diaz herself said in an interview before
@@djsongera Winning beauty pageantry is 99% luck according to Gloria Diaz on her interview before. Imagine all girls there are beautiful and winners in their countries but only 15 or 20 move on, and only one lucky girl win. Change the judges or the finals night and you get a different result. That's why many girls who lost in miss univese later won miss world or vice versa. If you don't win its simply not your luck or destiny. Period
@@vivjrhy1129 Right your exactly right now but now I hate the winners . I don't like the results after trump era. Very In appropriate I don't like it. It's not about beauty it's based thier winner on hyped , on answers only but not in beauty I'm very sad I'm happy on trump era Miss universe editions .🙄🙄🙄🙄
If Venezuela hadn't chosen to answer her question in English, we wouldn't be having this discussion because she outperformed everybody. Irene's swimsuit and evening gown performances were miles ahead of the other girls, including Janine and Olivia. But of course, after the Q&A there was no way she was going to win.
@@michaelsonortega2387 I cant remember where exactly i read this but some fans way back in 2013-2015 actually posed the theory that had Irene Esser won in 2012, we would probably not have a Gabriela Isler win in 2013. And this made sense to me somehow, given that Venezuela has just scored the only back2back win in MU just 3 years before Irene (in 2008-2009), the likelihood of another B2B win by Venezuela in 2012-2013 would be very low. Had Irene won in 2012 I think there's a bigger chance that Trump would have actually crowned Spain in 2013 instead.
Makes sense when she said that Philippines always has been sending an IMG type of competitor even before Trump era. The first year IMG handled MU, Philippines won with Pia. It felt like we are just waiting until the pageant would look for someone with way more power and less basic.
@@fadalerabrasool3563 she's rooting for Ariella to be her successor I watched it in a American-Russian Channel during Miss Universe 2013 because she believed that Ariella gave the most better answer in Top 3.
I was also salty and bitter when Olivia won, but after watching an interview of Olivia debating with a Russian journalist belittling her and pageantry, I suddenly had mad respect for her
As a Filipino, not being biased, I firmly believe that Janine Tugonon could have take home the Philippines' third Miss U crown. BUT after all these years, one thing I realized was we should not put the blame against Olivia Culpo. She performed. The judges liked her. The organization, probably oriented the judges to choose a specific personality for Miss Universe and that's Olivia. We should stop saying/bashing as if Olivia had done anything under the table to rob the crown to Janine. At the end of the day, they are both, indeed, a queen.
Its easy to get so mad at the winner whos performance wasnt as well liked as your personal bet. Ive learned this the hard way, with the whole janick andrea debacle
This is the answer instead: Filipinos don't know how to move on and accept defeat. Grudge is something very prevalent in the Philippines in general. I am speaking as a Filipino and it's really sickening.
@@hisdarksecret Luh. Naka-move on n ko pero d p dn nagbabago ung pananaw ko n c janine tugonon ung dapat nanalo nung year n yan. 😂 I mean hindi nmn n ko bitter, pero d p dn nagbabago pananaw ko. 😝
Beauty pageant are not fair and we all know that. The women are so different from one another and tbh most of them deserve to win and it all comes down to what the organization is looking for that year. Let’s not be hypocrite, if there was the voting system on the final night, it would’ve been even less fair.
I didn’t like Olivia’s winning night, but she clearly was the queen the organization needed and she is still to this day a great queen. Janine is as amazing too And Irene Esser is also amazing And All the girls were amazing 😂
I never thought Olivia would win either. But Janine’s placement revealed Filipino’s hypocrisy and lack of sportsmanship…. Something I am sure we all know.
@@PungiFungi it is NOT hypocrisy when Almost ALL Pageant fans around d world with exquisite taste and impeccable aesthetic sense NOT only FILIPINOS I MUST STRESSED SO THAT YOU WILL COMPREHEND, thought that the real queen and super clear winner That night was definitely JANINE!
@@cultureleague the same fans that demanded MU be able to speak English then did a turnaround when their own candidate said otherwise a year later? That’s hypocrisy. How convenient you guys seem to have forgotten your first comments on the 2011 pageant.
@@Cninnamon_roll Shamcey Supsup of the Philippines was the only one in the top 5 who answered her final question in English while the other four, Angola, Ukraine, China and Brazil all required interpreters.
I really appreciate your discussion on this topic. When you explained "...Janine was a IMG queen in a Trump era..." I understand better now. Love you Davonna ❤ fan from 🇦🇺
Whatever Era it is, Women are here (in the competition) to break standards and barriers. They became Miss Universe not to be the standard but to be a concept of Change and that is the true essence of a Queen!! 👑
Even Irene was quite competitive. She ended up throwing away her chances of winning by having answered the final question in English. That's where Irene screwed up. I still remember watching Irene's performance during the evening gown & swimsuit rounds. Irene was by far the strongest. She gave far better performances than Mexico, Brazil, France & Australia. After the Top 5 got called, I presumed Irene was ready to claim the title. Even the questions she received during the final Q&A round were the easiest. Plus, many of those contestants in 2012 could still participate today & win during the IMG era. That year had a lot of tough competition. Brazil, Hungary, France, Spain, South Africa & Venezuela were exceptionally well-prepared to take on Olivia & Janine during the finals.
2012 was THAT year indeed. At the time I thought it was the most confusing win in Miss Universe history. Over the years, I came to realize why the judges decided how they did. While I never saw it through the lens of the Trump v IMG era, I think The Sovereign's analysis makes total sense. Olivia won because she appealed to what the judges were looking for. I initially thought it was only because they found her more beautiful than Janine. While that may still be the case, it was her overall performance and package as a contestant that earned her the crown. With that said, I believe had Venezuela not completely bombed her final question, it probably would have been her wearing the Diamond Nexus crown at the end as she exuded the same Trump-esque Miss Universe quality that was favoured at that time. Venezuela knocked herself out the competition with that unacceptable answer so it became a choice between Janine and Olivia and the scale tipped in favour of Olivia. Today, I really don't mind that Olivia is our Miss Universe 2012. She is a true stunner in every sense who has gone on to become a prominent social media personality, looking more and more beautiful with every post. The thing about Miss Universe in any case is that most of the contestants in a given year can wear the crown and wear it well. It's really a matter of luck, timing and destiny that determines who walks away with the title. The stars aligned for Olivia, but Janine will always be the quintessential queen for us pageant fans.
And look at Olivia's swimsuit walk it was so awkward she can't go toe to toe with Janine's cobra walk with that 😓 rewatching this again makes me just sad even more Janine really deserved it her QaA was so powerful too
During that time I really thought Venezuela would won, because she really performed well from Swimsuit to Evening Gown and she was the most trending candidate because of her beauty, but her Q and A hurt her to get the crown that's why she placed 2nd RU, PH was 1st RU and the winner was USA.
I understand now. And i agree with you. Thank you very much for this (another) great pagent video. It always feels like im in classroom and you wyave my attention. Makes me think More power! 💖💖💖
I really thought it boiled down to the Q and A, and there it was clearly based on the preference of the judges and the Trump era. During that time content of the answer was valued less than relatability and sassiness. I agree with on your take on their answers and that's how Olivia won. I think for us Filipinos, it was really stingy cause during that time we've been placing for three consecutive years and finally have a contestant who gave an arguably flawless performance and yet, didn't win.
This is not Miss Earth. It is rather telling that Filipino fans are big fans of MU and yet do not know how the competition works. A good answer to the final question helps… But oftentimes one contestant stood out and the judges made their decision already and it is only to determine who is first runner up.
And also by the way, im your fan right from the beggining of your pageant commentary journey, ive been following your channel for a long time, even though there are Filipino commentary and pageant fanatics that says a lot about pageant issues, the only way i can have the truth and honest commentary is from you lovely queen, you are who you are and thats what makes this channel soooo entertaining to watch, because it is what it is. More subscribers to come!
Sometimes it's always happened that the best answers queen can't get the crown and placed as runner up ....in miss universe 1995 india gave the best answer but she placed as 1st runner up...same with 2020 when Peru gave the best answer but she can't win ....while same goes with philippines in 2012 while venezuela gave very weak answer but even she placed as 2nd runner up
Irene Esser is the one expected to win in 2012. See why she placed 2nd runner-up even with a terrible answer? It's because she excelled in all parts of the competition. She just messed up the Q&A. Her score was too high from swimsuit and evening gown and that made her place higher in the Top 5. We wouldn't be having this debate for over a decade with Olivia and Janine if only Irene answered well and in Spanish.
@@hisdarksecret I suspect Irene still got a couple of #1 and #2 rankings despite bombing her Q&A. Some judges appreciated her effort or were not deterred by her snafu. It may even be the #1 votes were split between Olivia, Janine and Irene and Olivia won by having the most #2 rankings.
Irene Esser of Venezuela overpowered both Olivia and Janine by mileees! She was super consistent. That Crown was Venezuela’s until she clearly messed up with her final answer, ending up in 2nd runner up position. BYW… I preferred Janine better than Olivia Culpo.
Exactly, perfectly explained. Way back its hard to understand it by looking technically but now yes! Devona you make a big period and classy way of ending this national issue (lol) in the philippines:) more power to you lovely queen.
It was for Venezuela who was the crowds favorite and excellent performance until q and a ruined her. Philippines got the best answers of the night but they choose a marketable beauty which is Miss USA.
Fun fact: Melania Trump (then known as Melania Knauss) was a judge in Miss Universe 1999 where another Filipina, Miriam Quiambao, ended as 1st Runner-Up.
Thank you The Sovereign. Atleast with your explanation, I can now let go of my disappointment on 2012 MU. Standard do matters that time, sorry, for every era. 🙂
Most disputed indeed. Because, for the final Q&A, Miss Philippines nailed it. Her answer is on point. From swimsuit to evening gown rounds, it was Miss Philippines who performed better. My opinion.
As a Filipino, aside from the performance, I think most Filipinos also are bothered with the Q&A part. I personally can't remember how it actually went but people say Janine gave the best answer than Olivia.
But Janine got an easy question. Olivia’s question was the most difficult. She answered it while engaged everybody with her personality and came from behind and took it all. One of the judges later said that off camera, Olivia was just enjoying herself, talking with the other contestants etc. That also helped her win the judges’ favor.
@@iloveplumpgrannies174 maybe for Miss Earth. Stop applying Filipino ran pageant criteria on other pageants. Who is to say the judges were not impressed by someone who handled a harder a question?. You guys are the first to cry foul if your candidate got a question substantially more difficult than someone else’s. I still remember the furor in 2011.
@@PungiFungi Then they should give the same question to all contestants since to you, the difficulty level of a question gets more points than actually giving a sensible answer to than difficult question. In other words, a dumb answer doesn't matter so long as you get a tough question. I wish it worked that way in real life. Lmao
@@iloveplumpgrannies174 it is purely your opinion that Olivia delivered a dumb answer considering that Janine got a question with only one possible response.
You laid down the justice, ma'am. You're not biased, you saw the strengths and weaknesses of both. Olivia was on the right time, right place even though Janine was the right woman, the right winner for us.
I think one reason why everyone watched Miss Universe 2012 is because it was held in a holiday. Everyone, from students - adults watched it because it was literally a free day, compare from the past 2 years. It's still vivid in my mind how heartbroken everyone was, including me, when Philippines lost. We would hilariously watch the replay thinking the result might change 🤣
Finally, with your in-depth insight, knowledge, and expertise on the world of pageantry specifically, the Miss Universe pageant, this issue is put to rest. The Trump era Miss Universe which businessman Donald Trump mostly favored were the Latina beauties with a back-to-back win from Venezuela, he was not more into Asians. Here's the list of winners from 1996 to 2014~ 2014Paulina Vega Dieppa (Colombia) 2013Gabriela Isler (Venezuela) 2012 Olivia Culpo (USA) 2011Leila Lopes (Angola) 2010Ximena Navarrete (Mexico) 2009Stefanía Fernández (Venezuela) 2008 Dayana Mendoza (Venezuela) 2007Riyo Mori (Japan) 2006Zuleyka Riviera Mendoza (Puerto Rico) 2005Natalie Glebova (Canada) 2004Jennifer Hawkins (Australia) 2003Amelia Vega Polanco (Dominican Republic) 2002Justine Pasek (Panama) 2002Oksana Fyodorova (Russia) 2001Denise M. Quiñones (Puerto Rico) 2000Lara Dutta (India) 1999Mpule Kwelagobe (Botswana) 1998Wendy Fitzwilliam (Trinidad & Tobago) 1997Brook Lee (USA) 1996Alicia Machado (Venezuela) Always remember that the first most controversial winner of the IMG era Miss Universe 2015 was from the Philippines 🇵🇭 in the person of Pia Wurtzbach followed by Catriona Gray in 2018.
I followed Miss Universe 2012 pretty well, and Janine was never a favorite to win that year. I believe 1st runner up is already a high rank and we Filipino should celebrate it.
@@yourgirlkaizuh for a Miss Universe pageant fan like me since the mid 90s , it is but 1st runner is 1st runner up. I am not one of those Filipino bitter in 2012.
@@lilytsui3015 Yes it's more painful for Melinda Bam or Bodine Koehler who did not make the cut. I love Miss Ecuador that year too (One of the best I've seen so far but yet she failed to make the cut).
@@boneratosairu Miss Ecuador is stunning! But her makeup was too heavy. And I remember her English was not too good hence I suspect her interview likely cost her a spot in the semis. The same probably happened to Miss Puerto Rico, she probably bombed it.
It's been a decade since that fateful Miss U pageant and it feels good to know that people still recognize and acknowledge the qualities that Janine Tugonon brought to that stage that night. I'm not butt-hurt anymore by the results (well, maybe just a little tbh). Thanks for the video - it was fun.
Anyways,I still love ur opinion about what happen way back in 2012...I love Olivia culpo .she loves Philippines..she loves us Filipino ..so love love love..
Had Venezuela answered her question correctly and not flubbed it she would’ve won the entire thing. After Venezuela’s epic fail in her answer, my second choice would’ve been Philippines and that’s fairly obvious.
yes absolutely. the top 2 should have been Venezuela and Philippines, since the beginning. Obviously before Q&A Venezuela had it bagged, but Philippines knocked it out of the park during andwers. She was the winner. It’s just the way things are. Olivia was a surprise and I don’t think she was anyones first choice but hey, it is what it is.
@@pinkvelvet3865 You need better listening skills. I never once said it always had to be Venezuela. I’m just simply stating a fact. If Venezuela would’ve answered her question correctly, she would’ve won the whole thing and Philippines would’ve just been another runner-up. The true winner AFTER Venezuela’s fail as a second choice should’ve been Philippines. Other wise Venezuela had it in the bag. And anyone who wants to debate me on this can try, just know that it’s pointless because I know I’m right. Toodles
Reading your comment a year later makes me wonder if you really watched her reaction video. It’s not about having the best answer that year. It’s fucking Trump era not IMG!!!! Your comprehension skill is no where to be found 🤡🤣
That's the reason why it was hard for the PH to win during the trump era. Good thing that the owner has been changed so they could select the most deserving queen, fair and square.
Your are absolutely correct ms Sovereign. 2012 was the year of the powerhouses. Philippines, USA and Venezuela. Venezuela is winning that day but q and a missed her. Philippines performed well in all areas. But USA is the brand they're looking for. The beauty and brain of miss USA convinced mr trump doesnt matter if she performed or not in the stage. Anyway, we just have our 4 queens . 🥰
I remember this pageant and making a comment to my family early in the competition about how they are gonna make USA win because Sandy Hook shooting just happened and everyone felt bad for USA and most of the judges are Americans who wanted to somehow cheer USA up with this win. I absolutely hated Olivia's gown, possibly the worst gown for an MU winner for me and thought she was so stiff with her bobblehead, but unlike many Filipinos, I was NOT surprised she won. I really think the context of Sandy Hook shootings had something to do with it, which is ironic how school shootings are so common now in the US but back then, the murder of so many little kids was so new and horrifying that sympathy was on USA.
I was expecting it like the 2008 edition (Yes, Trump Era) wherein Venezuela outsmarted Colombia during the final Q&A that's why Dayana won. The whole evening Colombia was slaying every portion but come question and answer and Dayana sealed the deal that night and won. That's one of the reason why we cannot moved on with this year (2012), because we thought that when it comes to the final 5, having a powerful answer would make you win that night. Some would say that Janine got a much easier question, but was it her fault? She was asked and she delivered a beautiful and relatable answer. I am not invalidating Olivia's effort that time but Janine was way more ahead of her in each segments (swimsuit, gown and final answer). Final thought: It all comes down to who the organization wants to represent them and sadly it's not our girl Janine. But she will always be a Miss Universe for us Filipinos. Our third Miss Universe (supposedly if she won).
I love your analysis! Very on point. I just have a question because this also baffles me. How about the mid to late 1990s when the winners were Brooke Lee, Wendy Fitzwilliam, Mpule Kwelagobe and Lara Dutta? That time Trump was already the owner of Miss Universe. Do you think Janine fits that "Trump standard" if Miss Universe? Or Is it the standard of the pageantry era (the 90's era)? Can you say Trump has changed his Miss universe standard over the years? Sorry for the many questions. Hehehe Thanks.
Before, could be he didn't bother to look into Ms. U. Or by convenience, he decided in 2012 what would suit him best. Didn't matter if a candidate tops all category, if he didn't fancy, will still chose differently.
Janine slays the swimsuit round, but Olivia nailed the evening gown. In the Q and A, Janine gave the best answer but Olivia's answer is more relatable and sincere that's why she won. First runner is still a high achievement!
and to add, actually the home court decision did really contribute as well.. some other die hard fans were also inclining the incident (well for some) politically. An honest retrospection tho
