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I have a funny traumatic backstory with this movie, a friend of mine brought a ripped dvd of Martyrs to school when we were 11/12 years old, because the title was hurriedly scribbled on (plus neither English nor French is our first language) and she thought it was "Marley and Me". The teacher stopped it pretty quickly, but the tiny bit of imagery stuck with me for ages, and saying that Marley and Me is a very gory movie remained kind of a meme in our class.
I wonder if anyone has looked at Martyrs through the lens of philosopher Bataille. The themes of sacrifice, transgression and limit experiences are very prominent. Great video!
I don't mention Bataille by name but I read Eroticism in preparation for this video and this video is kind of a look at the film through that lens. I plan on doing a podcast later this week with Gio to go more in depth on it.
You beat me to it. That is definitely a source. In the torture chamber there are photographs of Chinese torture that he addresses directly in his work. This film is a masterpiece.
You may not like the nihilistic interpretation, but it seems the most realistic explanation for mademoiselle's haste to off herself, and also explains why she doesn't tell the others. Also, notice she doesn't seem relieved or happy after getting the message from Anna, she seems kinda pissed off. She doesn't want to be the one to tell them their entire sick setup was all for nothing, so she just feeds herself a lead sandwich and calls it a day. Very thoughtful of her 😂
I don't buy this interpretation, because 1) there would be nothing to report and 2) Mademoiselle would have most likely regarded this answer as another failed experiment.
obviously hard to watch start to finish, but the sequence with the woman from the basement is the most profoundly upsetting thing i’ve ever seen. i had the movie spoiled for me before i watched it so i knew what i was getting into, but nothing prepares you for that
I watched this movie when I was in a bad place and it made me feel much worse. Great film. Also, Kino is making it. He's getting Raid money now, nice lol.
I watched Martyrs years ago, it was one of my first 'disturbing' film experiences, but I didn't recall much of it except the home invasion and the very end. I wasn't much of a fan of it but you've shone some light on why this film is much better than I initially thought. Thanks for yet another great video Kino!
everything about this movie, and any videos about it, give me the same horrible feeling of helplessness that people will do anything to achieve what they desire. it's like a creeping invisible monster that is right outside the door at all times - similar to the vision that Lucy has. I actually couldn't even bring myself to finish watching after they started beating Anna up, but I know the ending well at this point...and this was probably over a year ago. no film has stuck with me like this one
Salo is also a work of art when you fully understand what the extremely cruel, disgustingly hedonistic, pure and unfiltered nihilism at the core of the film is metaphorically representing 🤷🏼♀️
@@rebeccahopkins9522 um, I guess you’re right but you could probably argue the same for A Serbian Film. I guess because it’s veiled in metaphor or it’s a satire, it’s less emotionally resonant then martyrs which, at least for me. Salo certainly in the context of when it was made was a pretty extreme statement on those in power (and arguably still are) but, again for me, I feel it’s shock is a bit mundane but only due to its age and shit I watched throughout the years (thank you early internet). I guess I can concede that it is a work of art, I do think the message is important but it doesn’t resonate with me and for me, that’s a key point in the art I enjoy. Also I just really hate the face the Bishop (or president?) makes when he’s being sodomised 😂 all the gross shit in the film and it’s that face which grosses me out
I worked at Blockbuster video when this came out on DVDs. I would recommend it to everyone. I would always sneak it onto the employee picks end-cap too 😅
Interesting point about anna being to drained to fight back, I've always thought that the reason anna reached martyrdom is because she was already emotionally drained and tired before the torture began, which causes her to be mentally dead before physically reaching her breaking point.
I think she endured the torture so when the time came the cult leader would believe her. Then told the cult leader a lie manipulating her into suicide.
She either lied OR what she found out wasnt good. 1. nothing is there 2. they were doomed to go to hell. 3. something so horrible that her mind was broken, like something beyond human comprehension. I doubt she was told something she wanted to hear. Her reaction was like someone finally getting the answer she knew was true, but didnt want to believe it. Seems to me she was just holding on by a string and thats what finally broke her. I assume the others knew was this meant.
I have a personal interpretation for what Anna told Mademoiselle that ties up pretty much all loose ends. Anna tells Mademoiselle that there is indeed an afterlife and that it's a beautiful paradise. However, this knowledge is forbidden for mere mortals to possess unless they have achieved martyrdom. Anna tells Mademoiselle that her obtaining this knowledge without achieving martyrdom first means she will never be allowed entrance into paradise, no matter what she does. Instead, Mademoiselle will experience eternal oblivion after she dies. Her soul blink out of existence upon death, never to experience awareness or being ever again. Now that Mademoiselle possesses this knowledge, she knows there's nothing she can do but resign to her fate. However, she can still spare her followers from eternal oblivion by refusing to tell them Anna's testimony. The only problem is, Mademoiselle knows the lengths the cult will go to just for the slim chance they can create a martyr. Imagine what they would do to someone who has the answers but won't tell them. She knows that the cult will ultimately subject her to horrific torture in order to make her talk, so she decides to just end her own life painlessly instead. Sure, it means having to enter eternal oblivion prematurely, but it's much better than having to endure prolonged torture and agony beforehand. Mademoiselle also tells Etienne to "keep doubting" as well because ignorance of the afterlife is what keeps him (and the rest of us) from being forever denied entrance to it. To me, this theory makes the most sense because the other ones have plot holes in them. If Anna told Mademoiselle that there was a blissful paradise and Mademoiselle offed herself to get there faster, why couldn't she be bothered to tell her followers? If Anna told Mademoiselle that she and her followers are all going to suffer in hell for what they've done, why would she kill herself to get there faster? If Anna told her that there is no afterlife why wouldn't Mademoiselle just assume the experiment was a failure and try again? Meanwhile, the forbidden knowledge theory explains why Mademoiselle ended her own life and didn't tell her followers what Anna told her. Anyway, that's just my personal theory. I don't believe what Anna told Mademoiselle is the point of the film but it's still fun to speculate regardless.
I think this theory also has a plot hole. Because Mademoiselle could just lie about It. Telling the rest of the cult that there Is no afterlife, so the cult doesnt believe she Is hidding the information. That would save her from going to oblivion faster by not having to commit suicide, and she also would save the culture by not giving them the truth and not denying them the possibility to reach Paradise.
@@tacipotti7289 Zealots don't take very kindly to something that challenges their beliefs. We still have people today that think the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that creationism is the answer despite the bevy of scientific evidence to the contrary. Fundamentalists have a curious way of blocking out any and all evidence that is contrary to their beliefs. Considering the zealots in this film are more than willing to subject even children to brutal torture to find the answers, imagine what they would do to a heretic within their own fold. There's also the possibility that hearing the information that she did just broke Mademoiselle. Now that she knows she'll never get to experience what she'd been seeking for so long was so existentially devastating to her that she just decided to end it all without even really thinking too much about the others. She figured she just wouldn't tell them and take herself out and be done with it. Of course, this is all speculation. I don't believe the writers ever came up with a definitive answer and it was always meant to be ambiguous and each interpretation is just as valid as the next.
@@tacipotti7289 I think this kind of underestimates the power and delusion of zealotry though. I have a difficult time believing the cult would accept the answer of there being no afterlife. You needn't look further than the religious fundamentalists of today who firmly believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and believe in creationism over evolution despite the bevy of evidence to the contrary. Blind faith makes you...well, blind to all outside criticism and evidence to the contrary. Considering this was a group willing to torture and kill for their ideology, I have a hard time believing they would've simply accepted Mademoiselle telling them that Anna saw nothing.
@@tacipotti7289 Oh come on. The actress Mylene Jampanoi is on jeffrey epstein Black book. Don't you see the inspiration of the movie ? It is an initiation to something... creepy.
Be right back I need to rewatch K-On for the fifth time after watching this video. Thanks Kino for saving me the trouble and curiosity of watching some of these graphical nightmares.
11:25 I actually laughed out loud. Subbed. Martyrs suffer for a belief they won't abandon. If this suffering brings enlightenment then those who do not suffer cannot fathom that enlightenment.
I’ve only seen Martyrs once… and once is all it took. I didn’t hate it! In fact, I thought it was very thought provoking… but I’m not watching it again 🤢
100 % agree! Martyrs is the most disturbing movie I ever watched so far! I learned about this film in 2010 but had to prekäre myself emotionally for a couple of years until I felt ready to watch it and still it is the most disturbing film for me!
The French Extremity Movement still to this day, doesn't get the love and respect it deserves for pushing genre cinema forward and creating some of the most challenging and powerful films in modern French cinema
ive watched it long time ago and it was like "meeh more gore porn and a ending that leave more questions that answers". but watching hereditary a year ago rly messed me up in a way no horror movie ever did
Psychopath writer Ayn Rand once said "if there was a heaven I'd kill myself to be with my husband". I think Anna told the old woman she had reunited with Lucy and the old woman wanted to see her loved ones again. The end credits are a big clue as to what Anna saw.
After a while, the beatings were over the top, in regards to how much a little girl like that could take and stay conscious. I really liked the music when the "monster" was around. Great movie
there is in fact a happy ending , the main character experiences sudden enlightenment aka satori , just the single essence of life, pure subjectivity. To look farther into this you could listen to Ramdass or Mooji for a clean cut.
I believe the film is an allegory for any and all religion. The manipulation of love leads to self enslaving yourself to an ideology that has never nor will ever be in the best interest of any participant. It doesn't matter if you believe in a god. What you choose to serve will indifferently watch you return to the dust from which you came. Your strife will have been that of your own making.
@@Thagomizer You missed the point entirely. I don't know or think there is a difference between cults and religions but it doesn't matter. My point is the horrors committed on behalf of faith and belief. Sorry if you are religious and I hurt your feelings. It wasn't my intention to do so.
I think Anna saw the afterlife what made her see that knowing the afterlife cannot be survived. Anna told Mademoiselle what she saw out of revenge so Mademoiselle needs to die too. Mademoiselle didn't tell them to protect them from death and because doubting is what creates life in the first place. It wasn't really a suicide. It's the way we would interpret her death but it's actually death taking her to the afterlife without her consent. Lucy also appeared to commit suicide but it maybe was the demon woman she was haunted by. At least this is how I interpret this scene.
I was never into horror and at no point did I imagine that a film like this could peak my interest, but your review somehow did it. I'm going to put it on my to-watch list. One day I'll see what it's all about and who knows, maybe it will change my view of the slasher/horror films
Whats brilliant about this movie is that slides in and out of different genres. Starting off as a paranormal monster movie, blending in a gay love story, then a home invasion drama, turning to a psychopath cellar flick, turning to abuse porn and ending up with a ancient cult movie… and none of the turns i saw comming
This is Gaspar Noe on STEROIDS! Beautifully realised on every level : narrative, montage, cinematography. Hands down the most original, beautifully crafted, distressing film I’ve viewed since Noe’s Irreversible. This Kinio guy provides the most detailed , thoughtful analysis of the film. He really is amazing.
The film blew me a way, not torture porn, not even focused on the violence. Rather it focuses on exploring the human experience in relation to death, and to what extremes people will go to to try to make peace with the inevitability. Seeking this peace is humans will often engage in terrible acts. This film communicates this film like no other film.
On a more serious note, I disagree with some of your interpretations. It's actually more medieval than scientific if you think about it. Torture and execution in the middle ages were thought to have a redemptive spiritual aspect for those who've sinned, so the theory behind what the cult does here would probably be something along the lines of using that method on ostensibly "pure" beings to elevate them further to a saintly state where they're in direct communion with the divine in the moments before their death. Also, if supernatural elements are implied to exist by the end of the movie that would retroactively make the mangled woman from earlier more than a hallucination - possibly a demon from a different version of the procedure that connected its victim to hell instead of heaven. It being French also makes me think of Gilles de Rais and medieval French Satanism (effectively an inversion of catholicism) as described in Là-Bas rather than anything more modern.
my theory is that there is nothing Anna saw and she told the truth to the woman, that there is no such thing as much as anything after death. somehow that was the first interpretation I had while watching and upon thinking about it more, it still seems to be the most plausible one to me.
Some nice direction, some nice misdirection too - I didn’t find it overly profound though. The film definitely revelled in the violence, to me the added layer of transgression felt just enough to render it not pure exploitation, but also not enough to give it substantial substance worthy of discussion
It took me 15 years to find the courage to watch Martyrs. The legit 2008 one, not the 2013 sacrilegious joke. I finally watched it a month ago. It is still with me. I want to watch it again, but I think I'll be able to do it soon. It's the best horror film I've ever watched and I don't think there will be another. I can't watch Salo, though. Neither Serbian Film. There is no chance. Thanks for the video. Greetings from Greece.
This movie was unbelievably depressing until the second half when it becomes really pretentious with the secret society stuff, and at one moment I was so numb through all the excessive torture it became a waste of time. Like i get the point kinda, but it goes on and on.
Learning of "Martyrs" for the first time here and now. The most disturbing movie I've seen to date is "Antichrist", so I'll have to see what's going on with this one.
I can generally deal with the horror genre, but NOT this. So far-out nihilistic and, in my opinion, disgustingly gratuitous with the torture. OK yes, it was a good film but I NEVER want to see it again. Felt similarly about The Golden Egg (aka The Vanishing), The Human Centipede, and Junk Food. I actually feel concerned for Kino Corner having spent all that time soaking up this film to make this video!
Probably many of those who see this video will tell you that "Martyrs" is one of their favorite movies, and I think the same. For me it's not just a horror movie, it's a love movie, a beautiful story covered by the human fear of the unknown. But be that as it may, it is a story that stays with you forever. Personally, I don't want to know what there is or isn't on the other side, that gives emotion to the trip.
I wish this movie bothered me, but it just didnt. Not sure why. Funny Games, High Tension and quite a few Japanese movies have really gotten under my skin but this didn't at all.
I never liked [The Goetz Brother’s Martyrs]. I’ve never liked it. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. But I revisited the film… Noé’s Vortex. This is phenomenal; it just make me ache. So intense and so beautiful… It makes you ache, it’s so beautiful. And we also watched his Irreversible. It’s an incredible film.
"She doesn't fight back. She doesn't try to escape." Wtf are you talking about? Of course she does. You really want to claim Anna becomes the next torture victim voluntarily? What the f?
I really disliked this movie. Hostel without the laughs. I've watched a lot of pretentious garbage recently, and I'm being less charitable in my criticism.
Well, for me, there are only two possible endings. 1.She sees heaven and that all are welcome, so Mademoiselle speeds herself away. 2.She sees nothing (no heaven) but tells Mademoiselle there is something, in the hope that she will kill herself for no reason. A variation is that she sees Heaven and tricks Mademoiselle. Tells her all sins are forgiven (they are not), so she offs herself. As for the "keep doubting". Well, she is the leader, the one who believes it the most when others have had doubts. This is why she almost gladly does away with herself. It's almost like "I was right. See you later suckers" To me, the only thing you have to work out is did she speak truthfully or not to Mademoiselle.
I think the ending is meta. I do think that anna sacrifices herself in order for the torture to stop but mademoiselle offing herself negates that. I think the motivations of the organization is really dumb, everybody who'd really think about could see that it doesn't work. the filmi isn't meant to tell a story but it's meant to drain you. The ending works towards that.
Ive seen salona serbian film and this back when i was a bored. I dont see how people say this one is disturbing. Salo and serbian...yeah. The men behind the sun is vastly more disturbing than this.
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