That looks like one of the fans from the Fan Show Down on Major Hardware's channel. If I remember right it was from a few of seasons ago and performed really really well.
There has been a GPU with the monitor on the side though (I cannot remember who did it but I think it was a 3000 series Nvidia card and I don't think it was done by a top 3 GPU company which are Asus/MSI/Gigabyte and their gaming sub brand). ALSO I think this is because of 2 things firstly when under load that backplate can get very hot and this monitor will also be hot too and secondly due to thermodynamics and how hot air is lighter than cold air all the GPU heat will just be rising up through the card and the backplate will expel a huge chunk of that heat which will cause the monitor to suffer
Problem is with thermals, backplates get quite hot and the components not being able to dissipate heat from the back isn't great. Could be done, but would complicate things, probably requires some space above the backplate for it to breath. Even when you do you will mostly be looking from the side, so viewing angles are also problematic in most situations.
Oh that’s what they were calling it by moving the connectors to the back of the motherboard. I am so annoyed that they came up with a new-ish motherboard standard and didn’t replace the power cables with a bus bar.
@@shanent5793 a bus bar in this application could just have standardized plugs, you would just slide in the PSU to connect it on that end and there would be connectors you would drop the motherboard on the other end, rather than the eyelets you typically use with bus bars.
A two stage radiator. Best of both worlds. High fin density on the first stage to dissipate the hottest heat. Second stage fin density allows maximum air flow to cool the fluid to its coldest before going to pump head
@@NickyNiclas A heat pipe/vapor chamber has like 1 drop of water. Granted, with a more volatile liquid like methanol you could use more liquid, but still not mostly liquid.
@@NickyNiclas Point is, you were implying that it could be a standard vapor chamber, with water. But with only a tiny fraction of vapor, the boiling point would be >99C -- not helpful.
Ahhhh the fin density thing makes so much sense, the fans have much more static pressure on the outside, so this probably helps to actually move the air more spread out, idk what the actual performance difference is but it does make sense
3:05 yeah der8auer you're remembering all the extensive testing done a while back, 2004ish? or around there. It was tested everyway possible and more fin density = better performance = better cooling BUT also cost more as more material is being used etc.. MSI should've just said "cost" to keep the cost down. I do have to give MSI props for actually having support for the GPU's in the rear of the card. Unlike many I've seen without. No matter how strong the socket is, support is needed. I'm a simplistic person, no RGB's or screens, like it sleek and clean so a lot of the eye catching products are not for me
I think because higher fin density means more back pressure, and a thicker radiator also means higher back pressure, they balanced out the two rads so they'd have roughly the same amount of pressure to be matched with the fans. Lower fin density counteracts the thicker rad.
I like that AIO designed GPU. In my experience, even a 120mm radiator can out perform a massive tripple fan two-slot heatsink. Also that bottom-top fan ( don't know how to call it) is also pretty interesting. We can see the heatsink blades are horizontaled, means the hot air will be sunk from the bottom fan, travel through heatsink and be pull out by the top fan. This design well resolve the problem of conventional design that hot air was blocked by GPU card itself. The intake air temp would be affected by the exausted air which is not idle. Brilliant idea.
Trouble with reflections? Get a circular polarizing filter for your lens and never ever worry about that anymore, just get it set prior to start recording. Small edit: Hoya HD nano MK II is really good, Mk III is even better.
An issue not addressed by most SSD coolers is that they occupy a "dead zone" in many cases. Like in my Fractal Torrent, although it has great horizontal airflow generally, there's nearly no air movement over where the M.2 alots are on the board, and the GPU is so massive with its enclosed shell design there's no passing airflow. These massive, horizontally mounted GPUs cause huge airflow restriction and do weird things to internal vertical convection. Many cases now don't have top vents, or have PSU enclosures at the top, making fan placement more difficult particularly with the huge 25-35 cm rads we're now having to use on modern CPUs. My 40 series card almost totally blocks airflow over the SSD slots (ProArt X670E) and I've had to fit low profile finned xclio heatsinks to get temps reasonable. Having a PCIe 5.0 SSD also doesn't help for thermals. Perhaps it's time for a design which incorporates a very low noise fan, or we bring back Zalman PCI slot mounted fan brackets and make those cool again?
might be more visible than on video, but I did at least see one single bubble on my phone. heat is the main thing I would worry about, would be better to just get something dedicated to loop bubbles in safe conditions, rather than that unsafe "cooler"
G'day Roman, The new SSD Coolers remind me of the Gigabyte LGA775 SilentPipe Northbridge Coolers 🤔With the Chonk Suprim at first when you mentioned less Fin Density of one Rad to the other, I thought maybe the lower Fin Density is for less restriction of air flow over the VRM, but then the VRM is under the Thinner Rad with Higher Density, so yeah 🤷♂???
Can't see that SSD cooler exploding, thermally throttling sure but not exploding. It would be far better if it were all metal with a little plastic window to see the bubbles at work.
Tighter fin spacing means more air resistance. Unless you want to run 15000rpm fans, tighter fin spacing can often lead to worsened performance because of this. And the thicker the radiator and lower fan speed you want to use, the more space is needed between the fins to keep the air flow acceptable.
@@MEWJr90 I think it is about the Ai crud they slap on everything, ppl see Ai and think "Must buy". Heck they even have Ai toothbrushes now, "Must buy"!
Yeah that M.2 heatsink from MSI doesn't look substantial enough to cool a PCIE 5 drive at all! It looks like it's been designed down to contain the failure (leakage) as a bigger unit would leak more in interface with the metal cooling
CAMM variants is going to remain pretty obscure as long as it fastens with a bunch of screws - this is slow and fiddly to install, and obviously will make mass production more expensive. A tool-less variety should be a top priority meesa thinks.
Would love to see them fitting that ssd cooler with a gpu in the pcie slot, every time I see people worried about wires and cooling and stuff, I just wonder when are they going to worry about actually being able to use the complete motherboard without working around stuff, can't change your nvme without removing gpu, can't add cooling without worrying about the gpu, can't use all pcie slots with a big gpu unless you go vertical and then you can maby use some of it, but you have to remove the gpu, so dumb
If the denser fin stack is on the side where the higher temperature liquid is entering the radiator, it makes sense that you would not need as dense a fin stack on the output side to reach an lower targeted output temperature. This would also reduce manufacturing costs. With GPU and CPU cores running at higher temperatures, how long will it be before a thermostat is required to keep temperature balance in the cooling system?
Depends on the liquid. We used to use a silicone based fluid to cool the small crt picture tubes on rear projection tvs. It was an optically clear cooling fluid because the 9" crt tubes were run bright as heck and hot as heck. The lens and mounts were plastic and would have leaked if the fluid expanded too much. They didnt. I still have a bottle of it and wondered how it would work in a pc cooling system. It would need an oil pump style pump.
When? 12 years ago. It's called MXM and was very common in laptops about 10 years ago, but is mostly abandoned because it's more complicated than just soldering the GPU to the motherboard, and designing coolers that are the right shape to work with MXMs with different GPUs and VRAM is difficult. A few ultra-high-end "desktop replacement" laptops still use MXMs, but it's rare. AFAIK there has never been a mainstream desktop motherboard that supports MXM (unless you use a PCIe to MXM adapter, which defeats the purpose of having a thin and compact GPU module), but some new industrial/server motherboards (e.g. AIMB-288E, which has an LGA1700 socket) have MXM slots.
Got the stock spreaders on with my msi motherboard, top gen 4 ssd is running 29c, bottom two gen 3's in raid 0 running 34/35c. I think it's good on cooling.
@@concinnus Yep. Even on my previous motherboard with my 2 gen 3's they had no spreaders at all. I bought a be quiet bc1 pro cooler for each and it did exactly nothing on temperatures for them. I'd say that only when moving into u.2 and beyond that those modules really need cooling.
1:05 No .. Sorry MLG is not a chinese translation is actually an Acronym. Major League Gaming. In other words is the "XXXXXX Gaming XXX Major league gaming edition" with extra GAMING...
Project zero motherboards should still have the ATX power connector on the front since it's a nice visual aspect of the whole setup with the individualy sleeved cables.
It's odd how MSI want to have both their M.2 cooling solutions under the same name when the first one is using only a heat sink and the other one with vapor chamber, when it's pretty obvious it shouldn't work as good. The only "selling points" for that one is maybe the see through chamber and the smaller size... Pretty much the lame RGB selling point, not far from the one Ali Express types with RGB on M.2 cooling, but that rather heats the M.2. If they had any kind of knowledge about marketing, they should be able to conclude that, if the sales of the vapor chamber version is going bad, it most likely will make the other product with the same name sell less. I figured this out, and I hate marketing.... It seems like more and more of those getting a degree but doesn't know shit are taking over.
An AIO card with a 120mm radiator is completely dumb. Because it will not cool better than an air cooled card of the same size and the pump will fail at some point.
Explode? It may crack, but explode is just clickbait. MSI also had a board with the PCI-e slot quick eject button.. I'm not usually on youtube a lot, but computex and CES coverage I watch all week.
Personally I would go back to "hard mode" cable management and forgo any space behind the motherboard tray. I remember running flat/unsleeved cables ON the motherboard tray and then setting the motherboard down on top of them, it accomplished the same thing but the cases back then were basically just a steel wrapper around the PSU and 5.25 bays, as thin as 160mm wide, which is absolutely miniscule these days. And imo PC width matters more than any other dimension for desk space.
AI = new buzz word for software. Mr. Someone (who is a very busy person world wide) STILL has to write the code AND proof the code. It always has been and always will be "Garbage in = Garbage out.
If MSI loves money as much as they claim that they do from sales, they would bring those AI designs to market and they would never be able to keep them in stock!
I for one don't want screens. I built a $5,000+ pc last year and not one screen. Even if I wanted to spend more money I wouldn't want them. All that shit cost enough as it is.
"AI Generated Artwork Print" to make a gpu design is definitely one of the more abhorrent dogshit things I've seen this week. Hire a real fucking designer/artist to make your product. But then again, these companies, this whole gross bubble regarding AI is just shovelling disgusting amounts of money into some bullshit. Companies throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into a forced wave & bubble just like the rest of the new-gen tech bullshit that could have been used for something good and instead ends up a capitalistic hellscape.
No way. The EVGA 3090TI Has a 360 radiator and the heat that exspells is very warm. With a 120 radiator and a 40 or 50 series cards, no way it can cool properly. Save your money and build a custom loop
SSD water-cooling is the industry realizing people are looking to waste money on stupid shit! Have been water cooling for so long, I'm moving exclusively to air next build. It's all a waste of money anymore with marginal gains in cooling performance if any. Hell, so many are on water these days, it's not even bragging right worthy! Lol
Not sure what the point of the aio-gpus are if they don’t make the gpu’s take up less slot width. I guess maybe more OC? But they don’t get that much benefit from oc right?
I feel like a lot of these SSD coolers don't address the fact that they will be soaking up loads of heat from GPU backplates. Really the primary M2 slot needs to move away from that location (maybe CAMM2 will free up space elsewhere?)
I mean it's like a heat pipe, just using the acrylic which is probably not the best - but who knows, with testing it could work. And if people like the way it looks, meh.
Thicker radiator allows you to achieve the same surface area with less airflow restriction. The amount of heat a radiator can reject depends on the area of its “face”, once the air is the same temperature as the the water additional surface area can’t have any effect, and you have diminishing returns the whole way there, so it’s better to reduce airflow restriction so you can get more air through
There will not be pressure building up in the SSD cooler case if it is typical phase change. It would start off under vacuum and as the temperature of the system increases the vacuum would be reduced. If water is used it needs to go over 100c before it builds pressure.
I think that for the less dense aio the reasoning could be that they can now optimise for higher flow rather pressure. I could easily see a bigger benefit in higher flow speed/more air than more surface area. Also, they raised its thickness, which could indicate that they still needed a bit more area to make up for any losses? Makes me wonder what other effects it might have
