I’m sorry, but I couldn’t get through this. Love the Captain, but If they wanted to hear someone that can actually get that Peter Green sound they should have just brought in Dave Simpson. That guy nails it like nobody else can.
@@greenmanalishi6963 Yeah, they make a big deal about these getting the PG sound, but then make no attempt to duplicate that sound. Puzzling sales technique.🤷♂️
These pickups do the job. But around sounding like Peter Green - a _lot_ of his tone was the bridge pickup, and sometimes the neck pickup (especially in his last FM days). And that woody, unpotted PAF sound you hear on the TV version of Oh Well that sounds like a Telecaster before he swings up the volume and it roars... unpotted PAF clone and '50s wiring. It's not all about the out-of-phase sound. Though, like I say, these pickups are doing a great job in all positions.
I'm gonna say a hard nope. To sound like Peter Green you need to have his fingers... just listen to kirk hammett. Owns the actual guitar in question still doesn't sound like Green or Moore even if he tried. Greens sound was like any other guitarist. Unique because of how heavy or light he fretted, his string attack, etc...
So true. The out-of-phase thing was cool, but the real magic was in his fingers. That said, one important detail of the out-of-phase sound was how Peter would constantly vary the volume levels of each pickup to obtain a great variety of tones while playing a solo. The guy was a master of nuance.
Listen to the live albums recorded at the Boston tea party with fantastic call and response between Danny (God blessed him) Kirwan and Peter Green. These two guys were mind blowing....
The funny bit is that apparently Greeny himself wasn’t particularly fond of that guitar, he found the neck uncomfortably large. I saw the original a number of years ago at a guitar show, forlornly sitting in it’s open case, very faded, very beat to shite, and frankly very ordinary. The flame was nothing special, the luster was long gone. It just looked sad. I’ve saw much more beautiful Lesters that very day. To each his own really.
ive tried quite a few Montys pickups, they sound great. There clearly always well made, great quality components etc, nice branding and makes you feel special opening them up. But..... i really think new pickups can only be SO expensive before its just crossing the line. A pair of brand new humbuckers for £450... is ALOT
@@Ps3GamerVideos not sure if your talking used, inspired by are going for $649 the cheapest - $949 most sit around $849 new. That's 625 pounds for folks over the pond.
@@Nikoo033 I don't like to sprout off about similar brands on a forum promoting a particular brand its raining on the makers parade ,it's nice to be nice ,imagine meeting Gary Moore and crapping off about bloody John Norum being a great player AND can sing like Phil Lynott at the same time, BUT mentioning Lollar Imperials is the exception, Nashville session players 1st choice and reasonably priced all things considered, Godly heavenly glorious tones non derivative of the proverbial sonic holy grail '59's .Fair play.. I totally rate these Montys ,the full Monty I'll stick them in one of my Paul's 100% it's great to alternate between the best of the best for the sonic pallette.
@@enlightenedchristian3183 I am not particularly knowledgeable with respect to pickups, I am just sharing my experience of having these Lollar Imperial in my Eastman SB57, and they just sound immense. I didn’t know they are appreciated in Nashville. Thanks for the info. ☺️
I like my PAF's on my guitar , cost less too lol , if I said the brand of guitar and pickups, oh shit the missile's would be unleashed lol , and its not Harley Benton, it's a UK brand guitar lol, where the designer actually worked with Seth Lover,
This tone actually goes way back to the days when T-Bone walker had this sound on his ES-5(which had 3 P90’s) don’t know the story of the T-Bone Walker tone but I know it had existed way before Peter Green’s Out of Phase tone had came. Even Earl Hooker had some out of phase tones on some of his recordings! Peter Green for sure had given this tone more spotlight and giving the time people were wondering how he had gotten that tone compared to the days of T-Bone Walker and Earl Hooker were when the tone was starting to come it really wasn’t given the spotlight! Albert King supposely had Lucy wired out of phase but even I heard somewhere BB King played out of phase at somepoint! Peter shown light on an forgotten tone and got people wanting to play like him and have humbuckers and P90’s wired out of phase. Next to blues I think it could be a good country tone! Best videos I’ve loved watching this month next to ya’ll developing the Silver Sky SE! Thanks for showing some love on an underrated tone fellas! Btw I think the bass on the out of phase pickups is alot more warmer and the trebele is the right amount of bright but warm as well!
17:20 What !?! If his ears are so bad he can't hear the difference turning a HB physically around, why is he doing what he's doing ? It is less noticable w the Neck, but anyone w good ears can hear it. Try it yourself. The Bridge flipped is even more obvious. Too much time w his 100W Marshall w no ear protection ? The parallel sound is even slightly different w both buckers in the same dirrection.
I'm not sold on the Greeny pups there's far better sounding ones to my ears out there such as the Peter Florance voodoos which are highly rare & collectable tragically due to the sudden death of Peter they aren't being produced anymore which is such a very deep shame Another killer set of pups are the stock 50 sr 60 st that came originally included in the Epi Elitist axe which undoubtedly is the best Epi ever made & in Japan sadly no more either which makes these axes highly collectable amongst the many enthusiasts out there
What makes these Peter Green pickups more of a faithful recreation then the other 20 or so top shelf boutique wound Peter Green authentic PAF clones. Every one of those winders claim their is the most accurate and every set have near identical specs . Same outputs and most have the same Magnet . Most have alnico 2 magenta but there are a handful or so that use A5 but A2 is most common . The neck is almost always 7.8k to 8.2k and the Bridge 8.6k or 8.7k flipped magnet plain enamel mag wire for the bridge and heavy formvar for the neck. The specs are almost identical in every set because there have been winders who were given access to the guitar and got to examine the pickups and take measurements of the outputs of each pickup and take gauss readings of the magnets so the specs for the original pickups have been known for a long . So what makes Montys more accurate then the Throwbak version? The Bareknuckle version ? WCR? And so many other highly regarded boutique versions. Are Montys one of the winders who got to examine the originals? Even if they are they are not the first the only ones and if they were not wouldn't that make the winders who examined the originals have the more accurate versions. In the end none of this really matters because the secret to the tone is not rocket science . Take any high quality 1959 Alnico 2 based PAF clones with an 8.k neck and 8.5 to 8.7k bridge and flip the neck pickup magnet and you got the sound . Personally I find the standard in Phase middle tone to be more versatile. And the out of Phase tone limiting. With right les Paul and the right pickups you can get the Tele om steroids middle tone which sounds far more appealing then the out phase tone .
Ouch glad they made me watch the whole video just to hit me in the nuts with a 500 quid price tag... Sorry pass on that. I can see a select market for these, but not for me.
Dunno if Lee was the right player for this video. Nothing he played invoked Greeny style. So it all sounded the same regardless of guitar, price or pickups. The Monty's guy did better in the intro. No not listening on my phone speakers too.
As an early Fleetwood fan, I can hear the distinctive tone. But, as stated, it is touch sensitive ... However, that aside, I think they are really good sounding pick-ups on position 1 & 3. I hope you'all sell a bunch. And I'd like Andertons to install a set in an Epiphone and let Pete play it in a video ... If I were to buy another LP, it would get a set ASAP.
The more I listen to the original recording of Albatross, I more I believe the rumour that it was recorded with the Strat that Green and Kirwan had in 68. Love his LP tone, including the out of phase sound, but that track sounds like a Strat neck pickup when I just use my ears. As for the stories around how that out of phase sound resulted… plenty of those out there. The only sure truth is what wonderful music the man made.
Whatever is right or wrong or different about a guitars' sound, it took a GREAT PLAYER to bring IT/THAT into prominence. No matter what the guitar, amp or effects are available a player is only as good as his/her ability is as a player. A Stratocaster didn't make Hendrix. A Les Paul didn't make Jimmy Page. It was their skill and the years of dedication and practice. When they played any other guitar they were still great. It's the player that makes all the "stuff" sound great. The "stuff doesn't make a player great.
Right the pickups are only 317 compared to Bare Knuckle/ Senymour/ Monty/ it’s relatively cheap. For me I can’t decide between the manalishi pickups and OX4 rolling man. For my Lazarus epiphone Les Paul
I have a set of Seymour duncan antiquities in my gibson les paul traditional and I flipped the neck pups magnet and it sounds pretty killer in the middle position
I flipped mine once. I hated it. If I want to make strat sounds, I'll just pick up one of my strats. Not that I'm knocking it. It just wasn't for me. I don't even like splitting the coils. Sounds terrible, especially compared to a real strat tone.
@southboundguitar the out of phase isn't for everyone. I ended up sending the neck pup in to Seymour duncan recently for a rewind and asked if they could put a little more of a treble bite in it and they certainly did something right. Not near as bassy now and it's like a fat tele in the neck position. No out of phase this time
I played Albatross with Peter Green in 1980s on his Birthday at a social club at Collierswood. We both played on Fender Stratocasters. He was a very humble man, and he showed me Albatross using open chords, ( B) A, Emaj13th, and I still play it the way he taught me. What I like to know what school he attended, as we had a Peter Green in my class in the sixties, i doubt if it were the same guy.
I had a Peter Green in my class at primary school in Stevenage in the 80s he was a white dude with a Afro but I don’t think he was the same Peter Green either
I'm tempted by Matt's paf replicas..... My son has a daphne blue jazz master built by him when he was but a lad at Chandler Guitars in Kew.... It's a fabulous guitar... And he's a lovely guy!
I've had a couple of sets made with the formvar wire by other winders and made to historically correct specs and i get THAT sound. However, as much as I respect Matt and his excellent work, the cost he's asking for these puppies is huge. Get the usual pafs he does, ensure the neck magnet is A2 and reversed, and work with your amp to suit that guitar. You'll get in the same ballpark and sound wonderful.
You can amass the same gear these players used BUT there is a lot to be said about YOUR HANDS. I have had the fortunate opportunity to play some of their gear and I don't care who you are, YOU nor I will ever sound like THEM on their gear. Never. Welcome to 'chasing the dragon.'
Apparently Bare Knuckle PG Blues are the way to go. From what I've seen they're the most authentic and Gary Moore himself used them after selling the original guitar. That's really all the endorsement I need tbh
@@enlightenedchristian3183 "Gary was playing his Gibson Guitar Company Collector's Choice #1 in 2010, the guitar that he had retro-fitted with our PG Blues humbuckers." That's on BK website, interesting fact, didn't know that either.
I have the Bareknuckle PG blues pickups for years now and they are the bomb!I have some clips on my YT channel.Check them out and let me know what you think
I just wanted to add that Gibson didn't release their "Greeny" pickups until August 2023, so Monty did it first. I have a used Epiphone Greeny model I got this year used (2024) which uses Gibson Greeny pickups, and I LOVE it (Greeny fan from 1972). I also have an Epiphone 1959 reissue with "custom buckers", and slightly prefer the Greeny pickups, which are hotter so the bridge pickup is fuller sounding (like comparing a broadcaster pickup to a later telecaster pickup). Monty is becoming legendary, and for good reason too, thanks Cap'n!
One year late to the party but getting tired of Captain sugar coating everything. YES, we can all hear the dynamic difference between the cheap and expensive guitars you are demoing. YES this Gibson sounds like a better guitar than the Epiphone, even through RU-vid's compression. But now I'm at peace as I accepted the reality: you cannot be a good gear demoer if you're the one owning the company that sell that gear.
its just got a backward magnet in the neck pickup...loosen up 4 screws and flip it around yourself... It's not really difficult...works on any humbucker pickup you may have...
Little late to this one but dude is WRONG about the stock burstbucker pickups. They are UN-POTTED per Gibson's own spec. The 57 Classic pickups are wax potted.
Strange video, they talk about the Peter Green set, but after that Lee sits and blues riffs on a few Les Paul guitars without really asking the person in the room who is very experienced in tone and what pickups sound like actually thinks.
Good video and great to see that Peter Green's playing and guitar mod is still of interest to players. I did this mod 20+ years ago to my 92 Les Paul Studio. Back then it was still a bit of a mystery as to how that "quack" tone was achieved so I to the lazy way out and made contact with Seymour Duncan and he built me on using and Antiquity pickup as the starting point and then I replaced the bridge pickup with a stock Antiquity pickup. I also use flat wound strings to get as close to the late 60's British blues sound. And you're spot on with the effect of rolling off the bridge pickup volume to modify the tone ... my actually gets slightly louder as I roll down the volume to 8 and the tone changes slightly. Again great video.
Yeh, I'm obviously missing the point. Only saw Peter live 3 times and I'm not hearing anything like his tones. I'm stuck with an old Samick Epiphone until I meet a Gibson that plays or sounds sweeter. No mention of the strings? Bucket load of guitar shop vibrato and sales hype. Keep it real. I have no objection to anyone who is giving it their best all the same. Peter Green, world keep on turning. If you doubt what I've added.
Technically any distance between the peak of the sine waves means that the pickups are out of phase. They can be out of phase by different amounts, that are measured in degrees or radians. ‘Fully out of phase’ just means that the wave of the second pickup would be 180degrees out of phase from the first, or just a cosine wave. At least if I understood the material in my Physics 467 class, which was on different types of waves and their behaviour, focusing on electrical waves and spring forces. Fully explaining it needs imaginary numbers and Euler’s equation which would take forever
In old days, manufacturing of any product was followed/backed up by constant real lab testing, research, tweaking....these days it is done " too much" via computer modeling that processes only dry raw data...human touch is missing so results reflects all of that
1 person in a thousand can tell the difference between magnetic and electric phase reversal- Keep the buckers you already own and simply reverse the wires on one pup (assuming you have the appropriate wires) OR better yet.. buy a DPDT switch and have both sounds...
Here’s a free tip. Everyone wants to throw money and parts at a problem. If you want to get that tone you need to do more than buy a guitar or pickup. You can get close to greeny sounds out of a stock LP if you experiment with diff tone settings for each pickup indivisually and *then* you go to the middle position and see how it sounds. And you just need to go back and forth between neck and bridge pulling tone/volume out of one then the other. And checking the middle again. If you do it right you can get that quacky strat on wah kind of sound from a standard LP while also keeping good tones on neck and bridge for the trifecta. For greeny imo nobody talks enough about how It was more about his different tone settings virtually than having a weird clash in the middle spot alone. Do you think Peter Green played with his guitar controls dimed all day and had some of the best tones ever. No. He played with the controls. Go forth. Experiment. Do a thing. Youre welcome😊 I’m not at a guitar rn so I might confuse a knob remotely, but I personally like to have the bridge with a lot of tone pulled out. Muddy it right up. If you dime your bridge volume and roll off the tone it should do the hollow wah pedal sound. Then I’ll mess with the neck pickup tone pot and make little adjustments until I get both a tone i want on neck only for contrast but set so it also quacks and hollows out when it’s party time in the middle. Combine with a tube screamer and pull some tone out of that too and try the gain knob. experiment. You can get borderline wah sounds from a LP straight into a clean amp by putting it on bridge pickup and rolling off all/most of the tone you start to get a wah sound. What you need to do is experiment with your personal guitar and get it to carry that wah sound over to the middle position while trying to keep some of the tone bite in the neck and keep adjusting the volume knobs to get the right ratio between them in the middle. It depends on your individual setup. but it’s there. You can find that tone (and many other cool ones) by messing with the knobs relationships with each other. I get better greeny tones out of my standard 60’s than I’ve seen in actual 20-50k$ greeny reviews. I fiddle with my settings. I can get killer tones straight into my Marshall Origin 20 combo at living room volume levels. But when I wanna take it next level I’ll boost that dialed guitar thru an archer ikon into a tube screamer. By futzing with the dials on guitar and both those pedals I can get more tones than a Line 6 lol.
I wonder if Peter ever regretted not being able to produce the signature Greeny tones after he sold it to Gary? Was he ever able to get close to the Greeny sound with another guitar setup, or did he even care?
Already nailed the Peter Green sound by sticking a set of OX4 "Rollin' Man" PAFs in my R9. Les Pauls should come with the middle position out of phase by default, in my opinion 😜
As for whether it was on purpose or a matter of experimentation: It's a simple matter of Ohm's Law. A pickup is an inductor, and the frequency response of inductance is easy to calculate. Same goes for the caps on your pots. It was the Fifties, not the Fifteen-hundreds.
Faraday's Laws of inductance and Henry's work too, not Ohms Law. Then there's the whole RLC resonance calculations too. Picky I know, but not as simple as you have stated.
@@SytRep You're changing the subject. RLC calculations are part of basic AC theory; anyone who learns Ohm's Law subsequently learns how to calculate tank circuits, RLC resonance and such. Keyword: "basic." I didn't mean to imply I was giving credit to anyone, rather simply that Seth Lover had these equations available at the time.
@@SytRep Okay, except that my comment was meant to be an answer to a question Lee asked in the video. The question was whether they found those classic tones by calculation or experimentation. I answered by saying that AC theory was not only contemporaneous to the invention of those tones, indeed not only predated them but that the electric guitar is a FUNCTION of AC theory. Therefore it was likelier calculations than experimentation, but I'm nevertheless speculating. Does that help make sense of what I meant by "changing the subject?"
Love the flutey tone. Ignore the tone deaf weasels, doctors of electrics, and home guitar wankers who have been there and done that. The last 10% is the hardest to achieve.
RANT - Been watching this channel for about 8 years, I've gone through marriage and children and mortgage while watching this channel on an evening. However I really don't agree with the 'Andertons Extra' thing. Please don't spoil something so good!
Monty states the pickups in the 50s Standard are wax potted. The guitar uses Burstbucker 1 and 2 pickups, both of which aren't potted according to Gibson.
How so? My epiphone les paul standard pro has dual humbuggers as Peter H. Would say😂 with both coil splits on each. Split one and put it in middle postuon?
I had an R7 with the WCF version of the Green pickups. The way that you "adjust" the tone in that middle position is by plying with the volume of each pickup. If you have both at the same level, that is when you get the most scooped sound. Listen to the last solo on the cut "Watch Out" from the Chicago album for a good example.
The great Mr. Greenbaum was constantly manipulating his Les Paul’s controls to coax an infinite number of tones out of it; not mentioning his magic delicate touch. Yes, with the ‘50’s wiring and those pickups the controls become very interactive and even confusing; sometimes you expect the tone to be a certain way and they react in the exact opposite 😉.
Killer pickups! Put them in my 2022 Murphy lab heavy relic LP! The local guitar shop has a couple of Peter Green fanatics and they were skeptical at first but blown away after we installed them. Yeah their pricey but worth every penny. Great work!!!!
Nah man. Trevor Wilkinson's pickups in the vintage lemon drop are the most faithful versions imo. He learnt from Seth Lover how to build a PAF. Sold all my Gibson's and Tokais to buy two Vintage Lemon Drops, one relic and one non relic and to me they are a better built, better sounding and better playing Les Paul
The Monty's sounded great. Real clarity and well balanced. Pete's Les Paul also sounded excellent. I've got Monty's PAFs in both my SG and Les Paul. If I play the SG close to the bridge It sounds just like the Oh Well guitar sound. The price of £450 for a set of Bethnal Greens may seem expensive but if it's the sound you are after then it saves you a lot of searching for 'that tone'.
@@greenmanalishi6963 Hi. I've not tried the ox4's but seen them compared in videos and they also appear to be excellent. Another one to add to the mix is the Throbak (spelling?) pickups, they also sound great. Some good choices out there but I'm happy with my Monty's.
I was wondering WHEN the volume controls would come into play (Lee).....very nice ...all of them...but The Befnul Gween set are top of the heap here....I wonder what a 57/08 PRS set would sound like given the same treatment?...P.S I love the Monty's pickups anyway...I have some.
Cheap vs expensive guitars I hear a more complex tone and a more singing tone in expensive guitars, I'm pretty sure it's the wood that makes it so. You can have the same electronics, pots, pup's and cheap guitar still won't sound as good.
This is such a fantastic video to get Matt's input on pickup building and those Bethnal Greens sound great. I already own a set of Monty's PAFs with phase reversal switching in a Les Paul Tribute, Monty's also made a new loom for and I love them. They get me in the Greeny ballpark. Absolutely fantastic pickups that nail the original PAF tone. Highly recommended Montys, some of the best repros on the market imo.
Those are some sweet sounding pickups...English made pickups would certainly justify the shipping cost of ordering from Anderton’s...🤔....then I could get a t shirt too 😏...I love when I can logically justify an impulsive frivolous purchase 🙃
If using a term like "most", then should probably compare to more than a single item. Bare Knuckle (also UK) and Jonesy Blues (US) offer hand-wound PG pups. Would be interesting to hear their takes on what makes a PG sound and to invlude them in the mix. Having said this I am a big fan of this show. Great musicians critically comparing instruments. It has aided my shopping. Thanks
'Uranus' - The Brunning Sunflower Bues Band. (1969) From the album 'Trackside Blues". Interesting story. In this song Peter Green (sounds to me like he), starts with the middle then the neck then the bridge and back to the middle... Peter has a clean to breakup sound is singing and his performance is perfect and very open and clear. I found it helpful.
