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Exactly man. They think it was made only for beginners and commercial artists. Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, whatever can all do the exact same stuff as FL, it's just knowing how to do it.
That’s like geezers getting upset that we have smart phones now (that do pretty much anything) instead of rotary phones (which only make calls). Technology gets created and evolves in order to make our lives easier. Being upset that something is too easy and accessible is asinine.
@@vincegreene7031 This exactly. But with true understanding and appreciation of music, what it took to do those things in the past can still be respected. It’s crazy how much easier it has gotten to do things considered extremely complex back then.
@@gremwaveit’s not gon change tho ai isn’t even a human doing it, prior to this humans have been doing shit and innovating, nobody supports ai taking over most shit
There are no "better ways" at music production. You just do what works for you, and that's it. Only insecure people that lack basic self esteem have others dictate to them on how to express their creativity.
@@djdspence Please do, it's disheartening AF to see people not getting the best out of themselves because they feel strangled into doing "what's right".
Ive been using FL for 21 years now. The disrespect was so real back in the day. Hardware heads didn't even regard fl users as real producers. FL has come a long way. Glad to see it getting the respect it deserves.
fl revolutionized the game because you could've NEVER made beats as complex as they are today on hardware the skill floor to making a good modern beat is often underestimated
@@se7ense7ense7ense7ense7en honestly man trackers and 8bit samplers on 16bit computeres like the Amiga and Atari ST were the first to bust the whole budget computer bedroom producer thing open.. in the mid late 90s liike 96+ then trackers like Ft2 and Screamtracker as well as Sonic Foundry's Acid Pro on PC as well as early Cubase/Logic on Mac os9 were just as dope as modern daw software.. just (a lot) slower :)
@@se7ense7ense7ense7ense7en additionally there are things that the ASR-10 or EPS or MPC can do that cannot be done on computers (they are all computers but u know what i mean) no matter how hard u try. It's custom circuity designed by musicians for making music, so there are some tricks and magic in some of those machiens. The real issue is keeping them alive lol
Peoples opinions start to lose value when you realize the most outspoken haters usually hate so passionately because, deep down, they know they can't do what you did. Even tho it seems easy and you make it look easy. They would rather take the easy road and insult you rather than take time, energy and effort to study and learn. Because learning makes my tiny little chimp brain uncomfortable and we seek "ease and comfort" over everything else.
Dude I've had some whack/bad/cringe/ignorant rappers come at me sideways, but 2 stand out. 1) The dumbass was using GarageBand on his iPad and told me that FL Studio wasn't professional enough for him to work with. 2) some whack rapper came at me saying that producers aren't needed and are irrelevant. i said "ok to prove your point, link me the best song that you produced, wrote lyrics to, recorded, mixed and mastered" and he said "oh nah i cant thats too complicated" so i said "okay well to prove your point WRONG then, here's one of my records that i made alllll from scratch in 1 day" and linked him the song and he left me on read.
Well said idd and this is definitely the polite way to put it, but if ya'll are interested in another version go check out the outro on J. Cole's applying pressure 😆 Made me think of it instantly, matter of fact, give that whole album a listen if ya haven't already. Off-Season is giga underrated.
9th seriously deserves the world. He's able to make so much from so little, like he can use a simple sample loop for an entire beat and make it work like a fuckin genius. Super underrated.
doubling a single quarter note on someone else's genius performance is genius? Seems basic to me. Kind of reminds me of Vanilla Ice trying to explain how his "genius" contribution to Queen/Bowie's "Under Pressure" was doing a note repeat on one of the notes. These songs are successful because a talented musician wrote some amazing parts for it that would have sounded great whether including the minor alteration chops or played unaltered. .
@@AdamsOlympia Then why don't you go on and make a living by making beats better than 9th Wonder? I guarantee you have no music worth listening to yet you got so much to say about others talent. Lmfao
I feel like the only reason people hated on fruity loops in the beginning (I started with FL3) was because of the people using the basic default sounds that came with the program, especially the drums. Not saying the default sounds were bad, but that you started to hear the exact same sounds on different tracks with no EQing or any other changes to them and this is what let to people knowing it was a FL beat immediately and hating.
I started with FL 3 as well. Remember Acid pro?😝..I still use Audacity 😂 I came from A drum Machine. I remember those days it wasn't til later when everyone started to adopt FL and Daws is when you got all the VSTS, Drum Packs, midi packs, etc. before that it was tough making beats with FL. You had to rely on sampling heavy, damn those were the good days.❤
@@sourdiesel681 lol yes, I started on ACID Pro then “CoolEdit” before it became Adobe Audition, now Reaper. They all function the same, as long as you have support for the most common filetypes of plug-ins you can do pretty much whatever you want in any DAW
The first fl studio I ever owned was fl studio 6 and since then I've produced for Killah Priest, Sunz of Man...Wu - Tang Affiliates. One of those songs I produced, is named Marked for Death. Mic Gutz feat. Killah Priest on youtube
From what I remember, Fruity Loops came out in the late ninties, right around the time of Napster. I feel like it was 1998/99 when we were hanging in a friends dorm room and somehow found it online. It was laughed at by everyone, and called "fruity", but I was in love with it. The drums even hit back then and it had such a unique amazing sound. The simplicity was addictive, but also why everyone clowned it. I guess production was supposed to be "hard to do" or it wasn't authentic. First time I heard 808s too, but didn't know it at the time. I used the demo version of it for the longest and couldn't save any of my work bc of this. So I found an audio ripper and would record my finished beats that way. Eventually cracked versions hit the scene. Unreal what it's evolved into now 20 yrs later. Love seeing the younger generation take it and run it up the way they have
True but remember back then Fruity Loops was really limited. Just a drum machine basically. It was pretty much a toy compared to what it is today. Like you I enjoyed using it to. What amazes me is I bought the producer edition way back when they first offered it which as you know comes with a lifetime of free updates. I bought it having no idea what a beast of a program it would grow into and how popular it would become in the future and to this day they still honor that and I'm able to download the newest version for free.
@@hostilesavage4299 Since you're old enough to remember using original FL then I have to assume you're an Adult. Why a grown man or woman would resort to name calling over something as innocuous as the comment I made is beyond me. Anyway I didn't say Fruity Loops was a toy. I said "It was pretty much a toy compared to what it is today." And I stand by that. I'm simply pointing out how much more advanced and capable the software has become.
@@hostilesavage4299 the original release was nothing more than a drum sequencer. It was a software kids toy until it started receiving upgrades to become a DAW
@@animbot6817 Indeed, I acquired it when it was merely a step sequencer. Originating from my 1990s experience composing music in Protracker, followed by DOS Impulse Tracker, I encountered FruityLoops around the end of '98. I found it exceptional for crafting drum patterns. Subsequently, I transitioned to Reason, which was groundbreaking in 2000; yet, I continued to utilize FruityLoops for rhythm composition. When the inaugural DAW version was released, I opted for purchase, enticed by the offer of ‘unlimited lifetime upgrades’ for merely 99 USD for the full edition-a preferable alternative to procuring Reason’s upgraded version for 349.99(499.99 for full no upgrade). My initial foray into using FruityLoops as a DAW was astounding; it fulfilled my long-standing desire to employ VSTs, which Reason did not support. Later, I became affiliated with the AiRISO cracking group. We were prolific in cracking numerous VSTs at that time, and I contributed to the team that devised the Cubase 5.5 hardware dongle emulator crack. Additionally, I composed the majority of the crack music for AiR releases from 2001 to 2007. I yearn for the bygone era of the internet. I still remember what the original image-line website looked like. Black background, with spinning CDs. They were selling 2 or 3 arcade games at the time too.
this is so beautiful! I love this message! something i always preach in my lives too. "what are you doing it for?" if it is for a quick gain, clout and status then it won't last long.
Funny story, 9th was a producer based in NC, and my father, who also sequences beats, had the pleasure of meeting him. They would become acquaintances and, according to my dad, 9th had actually stepped foot inside the house that I'm living in currently (I wouldn't know because I wasn't born yet). I'm glad that you mentioned Jay-Z's Black Album because I get the chance to show everyone some secret lore about 9th Wonder that I can assure no one knows. In 03', 9th was looking for a computer that he would use for beat making. My dad had offered one to him for free and they made the exchange at my house. 9th produced one singular beat on that computer and never used it again. The instrumental for "Threat" would end up on "The Black Album" by Jay-Z. When my dad met him after the album dropped and 9th gained his notoriety, he asked 9th, "So I guess you could say that you owe your career to me?" And 9th responded, "I guess you could say that." This story is so crazy even for me; I would've never believed my dad if he hadn't shown me a piece of paper with 9th Wonder's phone number on it.
I have an MPC2500 and an ASR10 rack. My first machine was the MPC60. I still use the 2500 and ASR10 rack all the time, but sometimes i jump back just into ProTools and do all my work in PT. I actually find it faster using PT cuz I can edit and mix while making the beat. I get bored and jump back and forth. So ya use what makes it fun for u.
As a guy who made beats on Cakewalk in 1995 on my PC... i NEVER understood the hate. I moved on to Reason, like it better than FL, but either way, both could be mastered and made amazing. These days I like Reaper, less than 49mbs to run it
That message x1000000. The breakdown and delivery of them people that "ain't go no friends" goes hard. I know everyone here can relate, no matter if its beats, vocals, video, photo, graphic design, you name it.
9th Wonder's production inspired me heavily I used to listen to his beats everyday "I see now" "The Sender" it's incredible what he did with FL and really pushed me to keep opening up a new project on FL and also sampling soul music, he chopped up the soul effortlessly and made it groovy, I noticed that he overused a certain snare which i have in my library and it's like one of those trick snares that fit on 90% of beats and also his basslines are phat, he revolutionized the game of FL beatmaking. Great video bro
When I listen to his beats I get transported to a very specific time of my life, being a kid and just riding my bike around listening to beats and daydreaming about being able to make beats myself. I don’t even make beats and 9th inspired me heavily. I just appreciate how his beats sound, they are uniquely him, maybe it is that snare, but the way he flips samples is otherworldly to me
Great message, you're absolutely right about the dudes who just want to feel bigger by making others small. A similar thing happens today with producers who use Splice versus producers who refuse to because it's "cheating". It's all about what you make and how it makes people feel. Splice and other sample resources are a tool and you can use it OR you don't have to. If you make things that people connect with, it really doesn't matter how you made them.
I remember those days. What's funny is 9th Wonder was also used as the justification FOR using Fruity Loops. His name came up a lot in a positive way, too. If 9th Wonder was using it, then it's absolutely legit. We owe a lot to him for being as strong as he was skilled. I always wanted to make beats, but was never able to afford an MPC. But I could afford a copy of Fruity Loops 3, which literally opened up a new world for myself and countless other people. Gotta show love to both 9th and FL. They helped pave the way.
I remember when Fruity Loops first dropped. Lots of cats were playing around with cracked versions in the early 2000s but no one took FL “producers” seriously back then. And even when 9th broke out and became well-known, I feel like his work still had a very noticeable FL vibe, if that makes sense (Jay-Z’s “Threat” is a perfect example of what I mean). I was *shocked* to learn, years later, that so many successful new producers were using FL. It’s something that was truly unimaginable in 2000, 2001.
yep. this is the exact comment i was looking for. everyone used to make fun of producers that used fruity loops back when i was in high school. people acted as if you weren’t serious about producing unless you used reason or something along those lines, smh. now EVERYONE uses FL & NO ONE uses Reason. oh, how the tides have turned 😂
His beats DID have the fruityloops "sound". Theres a specific type of sound that FL gave to drums, you could most easily hear it in the snares. You can hear it all over the early LB work. This is why everyone knew when he switched from FL to MPC.
What an informative video man, I really loved the enormous work on your videos, always that I watch a video from yours I ended obtaining great knowledge to keep becoming a great producer and a authentic artist, thank you for that. Peace and health to you man 🙏🏻
Navie D makes the best educational project of its kind! I’ve been watching you for several years, almost from the very beginning, it’s nice to watch how you grow and experiment with the formats of your educational show, you do a good job and inspire a lot of people!
I used to get shit from my own homies for using reason while they were hardware snobs. I made so much more music than they did over the years and even made a little name for myself (Medl4) within the hip hop/beat making community, so the message of this video is very much appreciated.
I really like your take in this video I have a MPC but I can get the same feel in Fl studio with a midi keyboard and serato sample it’s not about what you use but finding what works best for you to make beats that sound good at the end of the day
This happens in many manners of the creative game. Appreciate the clarity and the demonstrations. "It's all about the tools" In reality, it's about the work. Putting in the WORK. And using whatever tools you have to do the best work possible. Great vid man. 🖤
Great video, sir! I'm with you, I think there are very few situations where hardware has an unbeatable advantage over in the box. There is however a growing movement (championed by people like E-A Ski) preaching that you can't get the sound without the hardware.
It don't matter what you use, a dope beat is a dope beat. I just can't stand the copy and paste "producers" who take a pre-made melody loop and pre-made drum loops, slap them together and think they did something. Takes no skill, anybody can do that...
@Dice562 I used to do that when I first got into producing and you gotta have a musical eat to a certain regard so the loops you put together sound good, but starting loops helped me learn how to mix genres so now it's been really helpful and has improved my skills
I started making music in FL when I was in 8th grade (it was back in 2018) and almost every time when I told people in my school that I make music on my computer, they would laugh at me. The reason for this was that they didn`t know anything about music production. They simply weren`t aware that DAWs exist and that most of today`s music is produced on computers. They had stereotype that to make music you need real instruments, expensive equipment and years of studying in musical school (I learned basic music theory by myself on the internet). So that`s why even school teachers were laughing at me while talking about how talanted was the girl from my class, that plays piano but doesn`t write her own songs. Of course not everyone was thinking that way, there were few people I was friends with, who just like me were trying different software to create something
Great video! I've been making beats for longer than I want to say starting out with two HD VCR machines and a 4 second sample time to work with! Using the VCRs to overdub my tracks because they had CD quality sound that didn't degrade very much. Use what you have and can afford and be creative with it. You might just develop a new sound just by having to do some crazy work-around.
Navie D Man I liked Your Version better than the Hardware You are a Genius when it comes to Emulations been throwing out the word out there to boost your subscribers and audience! Happy New Year 2023 and much Love! Keep doing what You do!
yo that is fucking crazy this guy i know has like 50k worth of studio shit but he dont do shit just like u said he got no friends and he tried to shit on me for using fl studio its crazy how you are so right with these types of people
I started on hardware, then over time I found myself in pc software. About 2 years ago I moved back to mpc. I'm making music faster now, I use my ears more and concentrate less on the screen. For me workflow and getting an idea down fast is king. I'm back on pc though for the master. It's really about what works for the individual.
argh, in 2014, i fell in love with fl studio the moment i saw the possibilities because i often have this moment of hearing certain sounds from my mind and i would just go to fl and try to replicate what my mind hears and that is always the best feeling that fl gave to me, even until now
I went from FL to an MPC and love it. Still doesn’t matter what you make your music on. My friend still uses FL 8 and makes 🔥. He makes the Wasp plugin sound like a really expensive hardware synth lol
I think it was shocking to industry people who were used to big boards and studios. But what 9th did is par for the course for Indie Hip Hop, DIY approach. It’s like how people are making movies with phones for the past few years. You have nothing, you use what you have at your disposal and hopefully it works. Underground Hip Hop.
Naive I’m looking forward for your new update to your website I hope it’s gonna come sooner then later because I’m dying to learn how to improve thanks for your help and information you’re awesome!
The accuracy of this video is incredible! Quick story: When I started making beats in 2004, FL was brand new to most hiphop producers. Old school heads talked so much trash about the program(fruity loops was the og name before Kellogg said hold up lol, all of those puns included, yeah those 😢). Long story short, anyone making beats before 2005 on FL was considered a kid and not looked at as serious. Soulja Boy would come and shut up the haters. However, what people don’t credit is that DFB and D4L made the program popular before Soulja did. Coming on 20 years of beat production now, boy has times changed. (Edit, watch this: I still make beats on FL 6! Yes, all of my beats are made on FL 6 20 years later. The program is powerful enough to compete in changing times, it’s just a matter of knowing how to do it in an old school sense.)
Just getting into FL and music making in general and I've already encountered the purists. Having professionals like you and 9th spreading this truth is great man.
When I started making beats at around 05 using FL Studio, I remember lots of people saying that I should get an MPC or at least some other daw like Pro Tools. So when I heard that 9th Wonder uses FL Studio I knew that I don't need to worry about those remarks.
I can relate to this video just like many other producers who use FL. In the end, It’s all about what helps you create the best sounding music to you and your audience. Excellent video.
In the early 90’s we had Atari ST and Commodore Amiga computers with software like Protracker or Soundtracker. Many hiphop and house artists used software to create music. Fruity Loops is just a newer version of that. It’s not about the tools, it’s what you do with them that counts … or sounds in this case.
The thing i like the most about software is how quick and easy you can go through things like chop a sample and things like that. Just drag and drop, stretch, etc. Using hardware is cool, but it's a pain to spend a lot preparing all to just realize the sample doesn't work as you may think. Have absolute no hate to the people who do the opposite thing, well instead i may admire their patience.
I still use FL but I use MIDI keyboards and drum pads for my drums and melodies because it’s more fun to me than clicking in notes. For sampling I prefer the MPC because of the workflow and more performative feel of making music. I just bought an analog synth because I like turning knobs and fine tuning sounds, but I’m well aware I could’ve accomplished the mostly the same with my midi keyboard and stock FL synths. To me it’s about what’s fun.
@@SwimDaEntertainer I got the MPK Mini mk3 and I use a custom program made by the RU-vidr Al Be. I’d start with a MPK mini mk3 or mini plus. It’s a drum pad and keyboard all in one. Check out Al Be’s custom program to it basically turns FL into an MPC you can work everything from the controller.
I'm from Durham, right up the street where he went to school at NCCU with Little Brother. I remember when Little Brother distinquished that new sample boom bap back pack but hard hitting edgy sound that 9th Wonder developed with his production techniques. Fruity Loops was the wave for our generation, it was hated on by the old heads back then and many still today, but a real producer can make magic with any DAW. The man makes the DAW, DAW doesn't make the man. Dope video, brought back memories.
He inspired me to make beats with FL Studio about twenty years ago. Nothing came of it because I didn't pursue it, but I made some decent stuff and had a lot of fun. I still make a beat every once in a while.
This is a great video and a great story! Didn’t know this.. people need to focus on what they are doin and get better at what THEY do instead of hating so damn much.: nice video Navie!
Maaaan. FL2 demo was my launching pad. When 9th took off with it, and Murs said "9th you made these beats on fruity loops!?" I was proud AF, like, the path was on point. Peace.
This was a great video. And the point about hardware versus software was done in a manner. I feel that was very tasteful. I for one come from the era of hardware and have embraced software, and now prefer a hybrid set up, usually including some of the hardware samplers that I used to use, while combining that with SOFTWARE I use today. I think you’re right people shouldn’t chase certain things assuming it will make you better. Use the tools that work best for you. That’s one thing that speak about in my videos on my channel because it’s easy to get trapped in this concept that you can’t do it without this or that. And you’re right in reality you only need a few things to make amazing music like you showcase in this video.
@@NavieD there’s literally no need for two SP1200’s, or multiple vintage MPC’s to be plugged up and on a desk. One SP404 with batteries can do the same thing, and a lot more! 🤣
I made beats on FL back in the early 2000s. It was super shit on by default. I used to get the "you made that in Fruity loops?!". Like people didn't even want to believe that it had a sampler so you could load your own sounds and VSTs and connect it to keyboards and sound modules and play it with a MIDI controller. "Fruity" being in the title didn't help it any but the "loops" part made a lot of people think it was just MTV Music Generator and all you could do with is mix and match premade loops. The sounds that came with it were pretty cheesy though.
in Poland (and probably most of European states that were broke) people would make beats on their PCs even back in 1990. the exampli gratia of this is the band Kaliber 44, which started their career 'officially' in 1994, but their main producer would use a Commodore PC and a piece of software even few years back and few years forward. See, that's the difference, in USA you could afford a beat machine if you saved for some time, and here, if you had a piece of electonic hardware back in the 90's, you'd be either very lucky or really, really rich, cuz that stuff's pricy.
@@NavieD I think so, but I'm pretty sure they're private property of the families. the guy I mentioned in my initial comment (producer from Kaliber 44) unalived himself in 2000. but these old 80's and 90's PCs of popular brands, like Amiga, Commodore, etc. are still available to buy in some places. I think finding a DAW for it would be more difficult, feel free to research:)
dope video ! ..i can definitely tell the difference more when you played the song before you remade the alchemist beat and comparison . in my opinion its in Mono everything sounds together iand in Stereo makes it sound more modern
Ive always been sort of ashamed of the way i manually rearrange slices on my main sample track for chops while my sp404 rots under my bed, but theres some things that my human fingers just cant do in real time lol. Great video as always!
It's not just the hardware guys that are elitist. I got questioned on several occasions while opening FL to record people in the studio instead of Pro Tools. It's always some old head producer that's trying to sell me on Pro Tools too, I think their understanding of technology and technique is as outdated as the beats they make.
Great video. That's it, use whatever you're comfortable with and keep going. This type of hate usually comes from a place of envy, and music means much more than that. Don't fall for it
He was hated because it was new. Same reason people used to hate on me when I was one of the first people messing with online dating. In the beginning, if you were on the original dating websites, you'd get laughed at. "You'll never find a woman online!" I used to get told! Next thing you know, my friends that talked shit, were suddenly ALL ONLINE trying to find women because I was bagging some hotties and they were struggling finding women at bars, clubs etc. Nobody likes when something new comes along until it's popularized by those that get hated on! Same thing when we went to CD's instead of tape cassettes. Same thing when we went to DVD's instead of VHS Tapes. I could share 100 other examples that are no different than why people originally hated on producers that relied on a computer!
It's the name of my Podcast. After years of producing hip hop I got tired of all the haters calling me cracker, honky, stealing black man's music etc. so rather than run away from the name, I chose to embrace it! For I... AM THE SUPER HONKY! Love your channel bro! :D @@NavieD
@Super "Nobody likes when something new comes along until it's popularized". And this is why I hate following crowds. There's many people out there who have a herd mentality. I would have called out your so called friends on their hypocrisy.
While people were busy hating, 9th Wonder was busy putting in work making beats. To be honest, the fact that 9th Wonder used FL Studio actually gave me inspiration to work more on my beats. I don't make beats for a long time now, but I never thought software was a downside, but I also didn't produce in early 2000s so I'm not influenced by hardware. I was just amazed that I used this same tool that someone whose music I liked also used. It just showed me that I don't need thousands of dollars of equipment to make music.
Maaan. I learned to make beats on that music generator! I graduated to a daw on my pc and have put out bangers. I tried FL but didn’t like it. The final product is what matters.
Navi... I just found out about wave sampler... in FL It's crazy dope🤘🔥🥀 Seeing someone like you get creative with it would be Incredible.... There's two different versions... I'm Still rocking fruity Fire Edition.. so I only get to use so much of it.. You've taught me a lot, Navi... Thank you...🙏💪👊
I love NPRs video on Kendrick's Damn, where 9th Wonder talks about his production style on Duckworth. Idk if that adds anything here, but this video is such a good companion piece to that NPR video, mad props.
My knock on 9th is that he rarely switches his drums.You CAN tell a 9th beat.I NEVER repeat the SAME drums.The challenge is finding fresh drums and there's MILLIONS of drum samples.I prefer ALCHEMIST,DILLA,MADLIB,ILL MIND,BEATMINERS, ODDISEE.Nothing wrong with a "signature sound"though.
@@NavieD the beat only sounds authentic if it's done by someone being bit to hell by mosquitos. using fruityloops is as good as splattering strawberry jam on yourself to emulate mosquito bites.
I loved this vid he is one of my biggest influences as a beatmaker. He just has such a fiya chop technique. I remember growing up all I had was a computer and he made me feel like I didn't need all the crazy gear to make good music.
