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back in ds3 we had invader havels with dark hand eating siegbraus and divine blessings while using full upgraded estus at level 1 everytime the game was on sale, good times honestly :')
I haven't done much PvP, but I'M A NERD! The weapon is Troll's Hammer, colossal weapon, weight 16 and Troll's Roar AoW which costs 22 fp for the roar and 0 fp for the heavy follow up.
The ultimate twinks were the dragon bow backstabbers. Imagine a lizard man pops up into your world with nothing but a bow, walks up slightly to the left of you and sucks you into the 2 hit punch backstab animation, except the little punch is 4000 damage. No one knows how much damage the second punch would do.
I have a character called “the gunker” who I got to the lowest level possible to use the giant crusher and dumped basically everything in strength and made him look as terrifying as possible and completely naked I use this character exclusively to help people with bosses, it’s really fun
Bloody helice is not found in moghs palace. It's found in a chest in altus plateau. Thought I'd reword that. I meant to say that our adorable blue doll mistakenly said bloody helice is found in moghs palace. I think she thought this because of the amount of sanguine nobles there. But it's more likely a typo or misspoken word.
and there it is… never trust a person who flips out about “miSiNfOrMaTiOn,” because no one is infallible and they will eventually spread it themselves and be a huge hypocrite if they don’t correct themselves.
don't forget the armor upgrades, back in ds1 and ds2 you could upgrade your armor to make it more tough, so you could have a really deadly build while you could recieve less damange that expected. it's something that even the remaster of ds1 forgot to take account while reworking on the matchimaking.
The remaster frankly made the matchmaking worse, if anything. Using the DkS3 weapon level system made no sense in a game not even a tenth as linear as the game they lifted that system from. Just picking up the lightning spear in Sen's immediately screwed up your matchmaking, and catalysts being excluded from the system entirely is what gave rise to the dark bead plague in the first place. They fixed elemental weapon twinking, only to introduce half a dozen other problems.
My biggest problem with twinks is that I brought two copies of elden ring to play with my girlfriend. She had never played anything but valorant in her life, so naturally she very intimidated already. This guy with a weapon that two shot us (some straight sword buffed with magic) invades us, spams parry knowing that our weapons do next to no damage to him, parries and kills both of us and does the point down at her before leaving. This made her swear to never play the game again. I somehow convinced her to play thanks to seamless co-op but I will never forgive that guy for ruining the first time experience of what is already a very intimidating game for new players, and almost wasting my money. Shoutout to the dev of Seamless co-op for saving me, and i suspect plenty of others who just wanted to get a friend or partner into the beautiful world of elden ring.
Are there any other weapons with fire damage that tiny? I think you’re right, especially about the guard boost being solid for a two handed weapon, but really, the weirdest part of troll hammer was the super tiny bit of fire damage.
I make new characters and replay the game a lot, the number 1 issue is scarlet rot twinks in stormviel since people don't have access to rot boluses or flame cleanse me yet. If you're a mage build around that level one scarlet rot proc is sometimes enough to go through all your health and estus since you have blue estus allocated, especially as a phantom
I do the exact same thing. I love doing dry finger/taunter tongue runs, but every run I've had in Stormvei,l I've found at least 1 rot pot twink. Even had a Fire's Deadly Sin glitcher at one point. Who does that to a solo host?
I remember Twinks were all over ds1 , it was horrendous, you stood no chance and they could horribly overpowered , pyromancers were the worst offenders
I loved invading with overpowered stuff but leaving a huge glaring weakness in my build, naming myself in reference to that weakness, and acting like an NPC mini boss or some kind of tutorial. The most important thing about these builds is to get the "very good" carving so you can encourage the newbie host when they do well. EDIT: This was DS1
You should make a video explaining how to spot a friendly invader. I've had so many hosts who are hostile to invaders displaying friendship, it's sad. My biggest example is when someone named "free gifts!" invaded and when they found us, the host and other summon immediately ganked him even when he had no weapons, wasnt attacking, and was crouching a ton. Felt so bad.
I’ve had so many invaders display nothing but pure aggression/hatred. One time I was summoned as a hunter and upon spawning I noticed that my host was actually locked behind unopened doors, I thought this was funny so I was trying to play it off with the invader who spawned near to where I am Do you know what happened? Dude started using double lances, godskin stitcher with Thunderbolt, Greatbow with those golem arrows. Quickstep all while using Veterans set. I was being friendly up until I died. Don’t worry though because not a second after I got my revenge by killing him with a good placed Comet, which resulted in me receiving hate mail calling me “pathetic” all while I was cosplaying as Sir Gideon!
You can be a random coop summon help them progress through the game and give free gifts and be helpful that way. Why would you waste your time being a friendly invader. Just show up drop items and leave? what's the point?? It's so obnoxious to expect people to entertain that bs and a waste of everyone's time
The problem is that it's an invasion. I have had friendly invaders betray me. I've been duel summoned to fight club worlds that were really secret ganks. No matter what, it's best to practice caution and let the other person show their hand first.
An invader veteran had this piece of wisdom regarding this; "I can't make you play the game the way I want, and you can't make me play the game the way you want." At the end of the day we're all internet strangers who happen to interact through the game mechanics for a relatively brief period, and we have no idea what kind of players the other part has run into before it was our turn. So if you want to be a friendly invader and/or goofball, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so. Just don't expect people who potentially sit half a world away to play by the rules you made up in your head.
There's another advantage you didn't mentioned: estus flasks. In DS3 specifically, you having 15 +10 estus flasks had no influence on your PvP level range, so twinks on high wall would out-heal you even if you had overleveled phantoms, not to count the non scaling weapons and siegward drinks.
Yea I remember beating an invader so bad in the undead village they wound up disconnecting vs lose since they had full estus in the second area, they really didnt like me pulling out the partizan lol.
@@boyishdude1234phantoms are barely downscaled on ds3, that being terrible for pvp invasions... it just seriously nerfed life pool, but damage and estus are mostly the same lol. Also, host have ember advantage.
@@boyishdude1234 idk man, i really don't care that much to text you a paragraph. Hosts having less estus than invaders? Unless we're talking about twinks that is a complete lie because estus charges get halved when you invade. If you are getting one-shotted... Maybe level up vigor? On ds3 you can't oneshot the same way that you can on elden ring, it's waaay less common (the only true early "one-shot" comes from dark hand L2, so either you don't roll or have 0 vigor).
@@boyishdude1234 stun-lock builds?? Man, you're fat-rolling? R1 into R1 is a true combo, but aside from that there are barely other stunlocks unless you don't know how to time rolls/are encumbered. Dark souls 3 being linear? You can skip most of the game to end bosses, that's exactly how you get a twink. If you can't, you are simply not that good. You can literally beat dancer, Iudex Gundyr, Oceiros and all the dlcs before reaching the first lord of cinder if you have the hands to do that. Invasions are griefing? Man it's a game mechanic. It's a conscious decision from the developers to put invaders in your way if you want to coop. If you don't like it, don't play coop and beat the game alone. If you really think that invaders are too much for your playthroughs, don't wanna play alone and don't like that mechanic a bit... i'm sorry, but maybe you should try another game. There are plenty of games that offer a seamless coop experience, why tf would you play souls if you don't like them? Also, poison is gaaaarbage on DS3. The only game where it worked was DS1 and maaaaybe DS2, but even then the game gives you enough herbs to counter it. I hate to be that guy but it still seems to me that you are a guy that is forcing himself to play a game that don't really likes. I'm not good at platformers but i don't go to platformers videos to write "gravity is a BROKEN mechanic, wtf are these devs thinking, they should make the character movement more dynamic when in the air"...
one type of invader that every dark souls player is afraid is the one with +5 chaos zweihander, grass crest shield, mask of father and a +5 giant armor set
This is a shitty cookie cutter meme build that people didn't actually use that often. Seeing a player with a glowing falchion should scare you far more
No because Little Timmy needs an easy enough play through. They need the overlevelled phantoms because like, imagine learning how to play a game esp one you invest $60+ for 🤷♂️
@@jonpaul6948 If you got balls to talk about it, do it. If you buy a game so others can beat it for you and your fat rolling all the way up to Elden Beast then you’re a joke. This nonsense with new kids on souls games didn’t happen in ds1 and previous releases nearly to what it is in ER. Why buy a game if you don’t bother really learning to play it 🤦♂️ That’s a fair question.
@@StoicScape219 I know this concept is hard to understand for someone who derives part of their identity from beating a video game, but SOME people play games to have fun. It's wild! I've beaten every souls game since demon souls, and I don't judge anyone who wants to have fun with their friends and doesn't treat it hardcore. Because I'm not a loser, nothing about my sense of self worth comes from gaming. What is your life like that you care so much about how another person games? I bet it's pretty sad.
@@StoicScape219 If by the grace of god you were teleported back in time to the OG Dark Souls release, someone would recommend firebombing the Capra Demon from the Undead Parish and you'd have a stroke and die at the thought of someone "c-c-c-cheesing a boss??!?!?! in MY Dark Souls?!?!??!?!"
in DS1 I got myself some super high level armor and just enough strength to use the black knight ultragreatsword. I tested it against my friends and upgraded it so the heavy two handed would come just shy of oneshotting most builds. I then got dusk's bow and the "very good" carving. I would then invade but only move and attack like a boss of the game. I was difficult to hurt normally and my sword was scary but not one-hit deadly. Whenever the low level player managed to parry me or backstabbed me or lured me into a dangerous setup where they had and advantage I would drop "very good". And players did learn quite well all these basic skills I was trying to teach them. That's how you do low level invading with high level gear properly. I would naturally reward my students with a humanity and jump off the ledge when I was done. Edit: I would also do this with dual shields and super high level armor with the name "backstab tutorial" basically letting new players practice dealing with shield turtling. I would never attack but I would roll. Another thing I would do is invade with the weapons with wonky hitboxes (scythe, whip, etc) but the weapons would be broken so they would do like no damage. I think the name I picked was like "Learn Hitbox" or something like that. I would stand in place and do the same attack over and over. Not locked on. usually they would get curious and walk into one attack. upon realizing it did like no damage they would move around and figure out where the hitbox was.
I used to run a Crossbreed Priscilla cosplay at the main grace in Liurnia, sometimes I would invade and other times I would taunt but one thing I actually loved about the area was the amount of genuinely new invaders or host, it was more fun watching them improve and “learn my move set” than it was to win 😂
HAHAHA BRO that guy r3lznir is something else, whenever he happens to invade me he just goes back to his world as he can see that I am not a new player, such a loser this guy ngl
Keep in mind it’s Elden Ring, not Dark Souls IV. A lot of standard quality that you’d expect from a Souls title such as player balance, covenants, unique encounters, obscure mechanics, long lasting quest lines and player incentives are not fully present in this game. Another jarring thing is you’ll find that you won’t die to the environment very often. A lot of map design in Elden Ring was just made to look nice; not to act as an additional challenge alongside the enemies.
I'll say that it's a bit of a step up from DS3 in terms of general difficulty in some cases, but is also easier than it in others. I will say that DS3 is the closest Dark Souls game to the gameplay of Elden Ring and that a lot of what you learned will be applicable. Overall, you'll likely have a good time of it.
I’ll be honest after your first play through in ER you’ll do some pvp then get bored at the terrible balance. I’m going back to previous souls titles at this point.
add talisman slots to invasion formula, and the amount of the map you have discovered. Then, make it so a host can only summon players that fit within the invasion formula. Boom, no more twinks, no more over leveled phantoms. Everyone is happy.
My friends who started getting into Elden Ring wanted to do coop with me. I start new characters to go on the journey with them so I don't carry them. We didn't even make it 10 minutes before some MF'er with 7 chugs, like 20 bubble aromatics, all tossables and rot and dragon breath spells. We blocked him. Next invader we got status, breath, bubble aromatics and yet again... 7 chugs. We beat Margit and goddamn that castle is full of the exact same invader over and over. Eventually I switched to my overlevelled character and we camped them until they stopped invading. After that session I spent hours gathering all the cheesy shit on my low levelled character and levelling it just in case shitty invaders come in again. My rule now is if I see "ALL THAT GOOD SHIT" I am matching your energy and busting out ALL THAT GOOD SHIT in return. Best part is that twinkers don't know what to do when they come up against someone who can actually fight. Clowns. All of them.
Is a low level invader toxic? No. Is someone with end game gear and spells and scarlet rot etc that most people can't deal with with literal starting gear toxic? very. It's called intent and malice. Literal bully mentality
Isn't that what an invader is supposed to look like according to the lore? You know, they are very bad guys who kill their tarnished companions just for the pleasure of killing
@ RyuHardGore Hey, then don’t bitch, when you get ganked by the host and their party. They are meant to protect the host. There is even a QUEST where you team up with an NPC to take down an NPC invader. LORE, am I right? This ain’t a one way street, pal.
@@domanskikid I never complained about that, in fact it is the invaders who win fights of up to 3 vs 1 with a complete disadvantage, that makes you think about the group's abilities, right?
I made a level 35 Belmont build and quickly quit due to two things, the amount of players with level 5000 phantoms and the amount of invaders that just rock triple status builds which unless you dupe a million curatives, is impossible to defend against.
I have a level 25. I just committed, and duped the curratives. For overleveled phantoms, well, I accepted that sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some. I have beat quite a few level 250, level 300 plus phantoms. It's not impossible. But a themed build like yours might still struggle if you are strict with staying true to theme. I hardly ever invade with my themed builds for that reason.
@@spacedoohicky Most of the time I don’t even lose to getting hit, I just get rotted and poisoned because of shit net code, I don’t even get hit and I still get status effects and without duping you pretty much lose because not only do they have twink gear to tank your hits long enough to the status to kill you, even when you whittle them down, that have max estus or whatever they call it now so they get back to max meanwhile my 5 heals barely give me anything. It’s just such a shit experience, I likely won’t even get the dlc. Rather just play DS3 at this point, at least it was possible to get good fights there.
@@ChuckFinelyForever The best way to deal with that is to level vigor mostly, and only meet weapon requirements in offensive stats.40 Vig is good for rune level 35. Get the great jar dropped to you, and get some good armor dropped. Then get boluses dropped to you. Run solo to get the golden seeds, and sacred tears early. Have someone help you kill the Dragon Barrow Erdtree Avatar for the Opaline Hardtear. Start Boggart's quest to get shrimp. To be frank in order to be committed like this a person has to enjoy breaking twinks. Personally I do, so I take an hour, or 2 to setup like this before committing to a run. But the setup pays back well. I collect my tools, and weapons. Along the way I defeat some invaders. Being prepared makes for a big difference. I know this sort of thing isn't for everyone.
Just dont turn on multiplayer with your in game item. Problem solved. This is why i abslutely adore pocket summons. Dont need to summon players ina pinch anymore. So no toxic pvp babies in my lobby
Oh yea I remember Undead Burg invasions with my SL4 dark bead sorcerer every time there was this return to DS1 event on reddit. Truly balanced stuff, tho getting to dark bead at this level in the first place was probably more fun overall. Occasionally I even oneshot the Taurus as a sunbro cause funny
As somebody who doesn’t have a lot of free time to pvp I’ve found that at least in dark souls 3 and Elden ring that low level invasions are almost always the most abundant. If I want to do invasions I could waste hours at meta level only getting a couple or I could invade at level 30 and get dozens.
It's worth noting that twinking wasn't worth it without cheating in pre-agape ring DS2 because of Soul Memory. Soul Memory puts a timer on your ability to invade your current bracket, and requires a minimum SM for you to even have that weapon. Honestly, the only truly bad problem with Soul Memory was that it was kinda harsh to new players.
@@IdToaster It absolutely was. Soul Memory actually had some pretty positive things going for it, but Agape Ring kept all the negatives and lost almost all the positives. If I could change ONE THING, I'd have the Agape Ring be given to you by Vendrick in Undead Catacombs or by the Ancient Dragon in Dragon Shrine. Getting the Agape Ring late game would solve most of the bad things about it without losing the good parts of Soul Memory.
I will never forget the guy who invaded me at Gargoyles in DS1. I waited for him to come to me for a few minutes but he never did. I cleared the area without interruption, taking every corner carefully. Finally, I got the last hollow down and walked slowly to the ladder only to be drop attacked by a giantdad with a lightning zweihander. It killed me in one hit. I was in party chat with a friend narrating the entire thing, and I couldn't stop myself from laughing.
I like Tutorial Invader's style. I'm sure they had lots of fun and you all did too. Like you said, it's the human side of gameplay that makes invasions so great. Minmaxing damage output against newbies is sign of mental illness
i still remember when i used to 'twink' but i never invaded, i only laid down my summon sign... specifically in the not so difficult areas (like the gargoyles in DS1). essentially i would just be helping out usually new players who didnt know what they were doing. id show them items/secrets, all while wearing stone armor and wielding a base cannon (chaos zweihander). once got invaded by a dark bead spammer while helping someone, so i used the chaos flame wheel to kill him through the wall while his dark beads deflected off it. its good to be helping :)
Way back when it was still fresh on ps3, my first time being invaded in Dark Souls 1 was a fat rolling japanese Smough in the sewers chasing me around with poison, toxic with the Ring of Fog which made you untargettable at the time. I thought I needed to use that one item that let you hit ghost to kill him. Anyways I died, but I still remember it more than a decade later. I've been on both ends of it and honestly it's fine if it's done with good intent. Just being a mini-boss for the host and friends and that. Where it sucks is when the twink player clearly does it as a crutch with meta stuff to win all their invasions against new players and go out of their way to be rude for no reason other than ego.
the only time i had a "twink" in game she actually just dropped me a bunch of high level stuff like fireknight set and dancer blades, 250000 runes then did a little dance, and dipped lmao
Yeah, DS 1 had a few things in the early section which could level some of that gulf on greedier invaders (beat a ninja-flipping giant blacksmith's hammer using an estoc), but it was rough. What I've done in my relatively few invasions was specifically limit myself to gear found in the natural next area so I can show off an option they have coming up. Gives them a chance to see it in action while not potentially going way beyond their skill level to obtain.
Started a coop run with a buddy a few months after the game came out. literally every time our invade cooldown was off we would get invaded by a twink in limgrave. Max fully upgraded flasks, end game weapons and AoW. for the most part they were all terrible at the game, but it essentially cause west limgrave to take about 2 to 3 times as long to finish. It was always, summon or get summoned, wait for invader, fight for god knows how long, die or return to our world after the fight so we could rest, resummon, play the game. Drove me up a god damn wall. Luckily seamless coop got announced a week later and we waited for that to come out. Never coop'd without it again, never looked back. My friends and I could actually play the game at a reasonable pace and the progress would count for both of us at the same time. God bless LukeYui for not letting random people waste endless hours of my friends and my time
Twinks ruin these games for a lot of people. The other souls games don't have a seamless co op mod. FromSoft needs to find a better solution to this nonsense. Perhaps they could do matchmaking based on flasks?
@@00McMuffin00 the problem then moves towards the talismans, or the physick tears, or the ashes of war, or any other item that new players are not going to be aware of. I think Waifu hit the nail on the head, the crux of the issue is skill. I've finished the game, and started a second playthrough to play with a friend, and every twink invasion was a gamble (we're beyond twink world at this point lol). That is, if they weren't good at the game, then I could wreck them even with a bastard sword and lordsworn's greatsword only (no special endgame ashes, physick tears or anything like that, just good ol greatsword bonking, and gear from Limgrave). On the other hand, the competent twinks would just tear through my friend, and possibly me. Competition is inherently a display/measure of skill. Take away all the power-boosting nonsense that twinks have and if they are better, they will still win. The problem really boils down to "how do you ensure that matchmaking is truly skill-based?". If I'm just starting to learn some martial art, the black belt doesn't come down for sparring just to pummel me and then walk away. They will match you up with other fighters of similar skill thresholds, since that will allow for a smooth learning curve. But, how do you truly measure skill in an online video game? PvP is unfair by nature, and even more so in open-world RPG's (where things are intentionally unbalanced). If FromSoft's answer to people asking for co-op is to also put them into PvP situations, then you're going to get a lot of casual fans who are annoyed that (for the sake of the metaphor) black belts are walking into their training sessions just to show off how good they've gotten over the last 10 years.
@@maj.peppers3332 Hard disagree. Nothing you said is an excuse to have balance this poor. You can have twinks who aren't indestructible with infinite flasks. It's not binary, and the game would be better if they weren't that OP. I shouldn't have to be 50x better than my opponent to kill them. Fixing this is not an impossible task.
I'm pretty sure the term "Twink" for overpowered low level characters in multiplayer games originated in EverQuest. We were using that term as early as 1999-2000 on the Rallos Zek server anyway.
if you're a invader you don't deserve to be treated nicely just because. you're essentially ruining someones co op run sometimes. its not fun for EVERYONE when you show up. some people do co op for PVP sure, but from personal experience of just wanting to play the game with a friend, invaders were nothing but people who wanted to ruin the game and be selfish.
I used to invade at lvl 30, +3, using poison builds. Just basic poison, on, like, weathered straight swords or etc. I also had the Serpentbone Katana when I met dedicated ganks and REAL players, but... it was more for fun. Use boring, low damage weapons with the -slow- poison to play around. True twinking... is just pathetic.
One of my favorite things about Elden Ring that made it my most-played soulslike is how quickly you can get the things you need to make most builds. Every place before the Altus Plateau can be reached just by horse-ride. I make a plan for what I want to use before starting a new save, like damage types or specific weapons, and I do what I can to find those items quickly before investing in levels or story progression (progression being Shardbearer kills and quest lines). For example, if you wanted to use a madness build, you can in fact just rush the Ailing village, kill Vyke, and get his spear along with the frenzied burst incantation just a jog away. It isn’t difficult when you’re used to fighting NPC Tarnished. If you ask me, Morgott is the dividing line between which things are easily/quickly accessible and which things take time to collect. The Dectus Medallion is easy to assemble, so Lightning Slash in the Altus Plateau is also something you can just rush to collect with a new save. I did this to make a cool yellow-lightning invader build, somewhere between lv30-40. I would say that particular build isn’t a twink build, because its tools are easy to collect. I love how, when you know what you’re doing, *most* items in Elden Ring are easily accessible. So, looking at your question of is the lv30 Rivers of Blood guy a twink… an easier way to determine that is rephrasing the question to, “could this guy have beaten Morgott at or below lv30?” because that’s all it takes to get RoB. Personally, I still have trouble getting Morgott to behave in a reliable way in his fight at an appropriate level, so I could probably only do it with summons at lv 30. Most people can do that, though. And because most people can do that, it *definitely* means most people can get two of any great runes to access Morgott in the first place. So, if you ask me, we can’t point to RoB *by itself* being indicative of a twink build, because it’s reasonably accessible for any given lv30 player, as long as they can beat Morgott. I’d say post-Fire Giant weapons might be a better indicator-I would absolutely say a lv30 Black Blade user makes them a twink build, compared to RoB (even if RoB has the worse stigma), because I’d think someone would have a *much* worse time beating Maliketh at lv 30 compared to Morgott, which is already difficult as is. I think the player’s choice of armor, or really the look of their build in general, is a better way to quickly determine if they’re a twink or not. Like you point out, a Bull Goat user doesn’t quite belong in Limgrave. If I see a lower level Bullgoat guy, and he’s using dual nagi’s, or anything that isn’t a heavy or colossal weapon, I assume they’re a twink. But if their look *does* match their weapon, I give them the benefit of the doubt, because I assume most players who invade know what they’re doing. A white mask user? Almost always a twink, unless they’re wearing the rest of the surgeon’s set (or some other cloth armor), and not using RoB or Mohg’s spear or something like that. Their behaviour matters too-non-twinks won’t *only* press L2 when using RoB, but if they are, they will. A lot of text to elaborate on a simple idea, I know. What I’m trying to get at is, if a player looks like they’re built around stat bonuses/efficiency over any sort of theme or cosplay, I’d say that’s a twink. This would also mean newbies who, say, wear White Mask while wearing metal armor because their damage gets better, are also twinks, albeit unintentionally. It’s Elden Ring-let yourself go, you *should* be leaning into the “RP” part of this RPG, because I guarantee that will give you a better experience than pumping your AR from 630 to 650 at the cost of style points. It’s just not a game about having better numbers. If it is, for you, then you’re a twink. You can definitely have strong builds with intentional stat spreads without being forced to min-max. I’m happy that Elden Ring can let us immediately put together cool character ideas, because of most gear being easily accessible. I’m glad that, because of this, twinks are (mostly) reduced to a mindset, instead of being immediately associated with build choice. Like, blood builds might be more cancerous than before, but the *range* of blood builds is much larger too. I think that’s a great thing.
heh heh... The first time I fought a RoB player was as a summon outside the Radahn Festival. I unintentionally had a counter to it with the sheer level of poise I had, and the bleed resist my set happen to have (Mausoleum knight set with eclipse greatshield). They went so all in on dex that one ground slam was enough to both interupt the L2 and 1 shot them. Oh yea I took a ample number of hits, and I hardly survived, buuuut~,
I kind of want to buy elden ring again on my pc just so I can encounter people like this. Playing on Xbox means that encounters like that are very rare.
I have elden ring on both Xbox and PC. I actually enjoy pvp in PC more because Xbox requires duplication or else you will be in a huge disadvantage against “try hards” while PC can lets u use a character creator with all of the gear you want. Pve is more fun on Xbox tho because of the less amount of try hards and quicker invasions due to most players having a finite resource
@@dennismadrid5146Even against try hard meta clones, I’ve never seen the need to use consumables against them. What stuff are you talking about cheating into the game, and what for?
My main gripe with Elden Ring (besides the placement of certain items and gear) is that leveling suffers from Bloodborne's bath messengers shop inflation.
@@crazyadam9281 yep, items that should be rare drops from enemies like the golden troll sword, the lordsworn greatsword and the Alabaster lord's sword. Not to mention the rewards for some areas just suck, like castle sol's eclipse shotel and castle morne's grafted sword.
I loved hunting twink invaders in Elden Ring with Pyromancy. Here's what I did, get a level 80 or 90 with most of the points spent in mana and faith. When a Tryhard invader comes after who I'm helping, they get one-shot by "Giantsflame Take Thee"
@@seldomsweet Considering most players end the game at level 120-150. It is pretty low. Plus, at level 80, you don't expect someone with 60 faith to be protecting who you are invading.
I will never forget the time I was playing with a friend, both of us on fresh builds in the weeping peninsula, and we got invaded by a twink using Ekzyke's Decay, the old Carian Realtiation Glitch, and then tried using Radahn's Bow/Arrows against us. We ended up getting spared by the 2-minute disconnect bug, but I remember bringing that guy up once on Oroboro's stream to make fun of him for trying that hard against 2 level 10s and got told "Oh hulloh yeah it sucks we gotta play like that so we don't lose, Oh hulloh". I'm embellishing a little with the last part but I was so fucking stunned that the dude got a pass lmao
Twinks have ruined pvp in the series, and the pvp community has no one but themselves to blame. I remember watching guys like Otzdarva and others absolutely destroying casual players, mocking them, calling them gankers for trying to hide behind phantoms, and promoting this mindset that pvp players are justified no mattered how toxic or mean spirited they act. It was the perfect breeding ground for twinks. And now, those same guys complain that Invaders are so disadvantaged like it wasn't their fault it turned out that way. My experience, having spent the majority of my time, in Elden Ring especially, playing coop with my friends and siblings is that running into an invader that provides a positive pvp experience is roughly 1-in-10. With the other 9 being twinks, meta-gamers, or other varieties of seal-clubbers. Unless I'm running my high level character, coop just isn't possible since, like clockwork, a negative experience invader shows up at every possible interval. Even as an overleveled phantom, I still die the majority of times since I'm just not that good at pvp, it's just the only way to make survival possible. Twinks and toxic meta-gamers have ruined pvp in the series and have no one but themselves to blame. The early pvp community that treated this negative pvp experience as a joke or justified it have cemented it. Even to this day coop pve players are maligned as gankers, and twinks send vile messages bragging or degrading their opponents. It's just as toxic as it's ever been and I don't think it will ever change.
I think something people forget about twinks is that all that min/maxing can go towards co-op as well. When the password summons aren't around the twinks are there helping hosts as well as ganking them lol
the only thing that is really bad in ER is using scarlet rot for low levels everything else dosnt come close to that bs, also the storm axe was always broken that shit needs to give negative poise while doing the weapon art lmao, or any weapon art that just spins around while giving the user virtually infinite poise
I remember doing some goofing in DS3 both as invader and sunbro, like having a "Santa" character that would gift people stuff. But in the end the amount of socially inept players made it unbearable, there was no session without several sweaty tryhard invaders or overleveled phantoms babysitting their "online GFs" and giving them every weapon in the game at the very start, completely ruining their ability to discover and enjoy the game by themselves. In the end it's these kind of subhuman players why we can't have nice and novel things like invasions and why FromSoftware is obviously moving more and more towards their elimination (There's not even covenants anymore).
There’s a difference between twinkers and low lvl pvp builds. Some of the only low lvl, toxic twink builds involve relying completely on Rot (Antspur), Consumable Spam, Dragon Halberd, or Stormhawk King. They offer very low survivability for people they invade against because the damage output is not balanced for that level. Every other build sub lvl 30 are typically honest and are looking for fight clubs, or 1v3s…which can involve getting ganked by overleveled summons…who usually just drop end game gear for their friends, which imo is on the same level of toxic play as legit twinkers.
@@Philosufical outside of where it’s obtained, please explain to me how it isn’t a twink weapon. I’m really interested in what your perception is towards low lvl pvp and what justifies it as being balanced.
@@knabrotzky4826 Oh I think that low level pvp is dogsh*t And my reason for not calling the dragon halberd a twink weapon is becouse you can obtain it without much effort Now my perception of twinking is if you are not able to get certain equipment but you have it you are a sh*tty twinker that only invade in low level ranges becouse your ass get kicked in high level pvp and you only want to shit on "noobs" Now if you are able to get all the weapons at level 1 by playing through the game I have respect for that person And you can see on how a guy is playing if they have the skill or they dont have the skill to obtain those weapons Now and this goes in all directions hosts phantoms and invaders
@@Philosufical I agree with pretty much all of your reasons. Low lvl pvp is just something I’ve dabbled in to justify the low lvl playthroughs, so as long as I haven’t been running into 1-shot builds, it’s just been claymore 1v3s mainly. Respect for the blunt, honest opinion.
Took a good 10 seconds for me to go like "oh, ohhh, THOSE twinks, now I get it" Seems like I've done a bit too much researching on the other topic lately
Twinks are what got me to quit playing online when I first got into Dark Souls. In addition to the current matchmaking balance they could use an inventory and/or game progression check to make things even more even. Also I wonder if all the various checks could be used not as a guideline, but as hard limitations for who you can summon.
I got the opposite reaction. When I first played ds3 and died to a twink, I got hyped because I didn’t know pvp was an actually thing with actual combos. The guy did point down at me tho but I obviously didn’t know what it meant back then
Hero starting class, base stats, Starscourge Heirloom, Radagon's Soreseal, Horned Warrior Helm, Strength-Knot Crystal Tear, Godrick's Great Rune, Dragonscale Flesh, two-handing Giant-Crusher with Savage Lion's Claw. Two-Handed Sword Talisman for extra damage, Erdtree's Favor +2 for Medium Roll, Royal Remains Armor/Gauntlets/Greaves to offset HP loss from Dragonscale Flesh.
Chase had a great series back in the DKS3 days where he’d make an “honest twink” for each area of the game, using only gear that could be obtained at that point in the game, but in the most optimized fashion. It was a fun series, and he dominated in invasions as usual, he also demonstrated that with the proper game knowledge you could make easily accessible equipment very powerful.
When Elden Ring came out, about a month later my favorite thing to do was to make a low level build, run through the mountaintop of giants, and return to low level areas to invade and try to one shot people with Giantsflame Take Thee. I'm sorry.
Im not even the biggest fan of souls games I've only played 3 and elden ring but some of favorite games are the remnant titles but I love watching your videos because I sit here and fangirl about how adorable your lil character is
One if these guys appeared in front of me while i was just chilling in Limgrave, i was literally level 35, this fucker with some magic shit came and on shot me, i was like : Waraadooo?
Waifu I’ve seen you Twink on multiple of your videos lmao (Raptor Talons + Bloodflame for example is fairly twinked for the first church in Limgrave). I don’t think twinking is entirely bad, depending on the extent to which someone is twinking. I do, however, think it’s a lot more fun to fight on equal terms in Limgrave with Limgrave-only equipment. I have a whole list of equipment only found in Limgrave for those interested in retaining that pure early game PvP experience. I’ll comment it down below
I'd be more interested in pre lake of leurnia not as balanced, but it wouldn't be a true simulation without that one guy wielding the gravity staff because he suffered through the puzzle at the red place been so long since I played I forgot its name lol.
When I was learning the robes years ago I gotten to a point where I jumped off when I saw another player just assuming that I will die anyways. I gotten better now. Also pvp became kinda fun at times. It depends on the enemy. Ther way I approach them depends on if they emote before a fight or not.
My main annoyance with twinks are the bastards who will only invade in Limgrave and Liurnia in the overworld and never in a dungeon. At the very least in a dungeon you're able to force the bastard home by going to the boss or cornering him. In the open world they literally just lurk, never taking a bad fight and then running across the entire land where you and the host have no option but to either chase him or just disconnect and start over. Overworld invasion are very, very stupid. I can't believe FS fixing the 2 minute disconnect bug ended up being a net negative.
Honestly I think Elden Ring twinks are way more powerful than any DS twinks. DS1 - yes, you had the neat feture of spells and catalysts not scaling and upgrading resulting in every player using dark bead getting everyone oneshot. But at least there were few guys with the resilience to play through the game on sl1 all the way to the DLC. Twinks are usually garbage at PvE anyways. Dark Souls 2 points are valid, but soul memory/weapon matchmaking system was deliberately made to counter twinks and not many guys really used that anti-sm ring from Straid. Dark Souls 3's twink weapon was the dark hand, which mainly capitalized on having no requirements and dark damage having extremely low resistances, especially ealy game. But other than that, it was short, and very easily interceptable. Everyone used it, so everyone learned to counter it. The thing with Elden Ring is the open world doesn't put any barriers in front of wannabe twinks to get absolutely broken in like 30 minutes without cheats. Thanks to Rya, things like the bullgoat set antspur and the winged CT are obtainable literally 20 minutes after launching a fresh character. Just infuse it with cold, put poison mist on it and you instantly have 3 status effects that are literally uncounterable for new players under rl30. I never go overleveled, and it was a pain in the butt to protect my very beginner friends from these scumbags. Especially since they still feel cowardly in ther broken gear and rather rush under a random runebears ballsacks than face my sacred blade starting halberd. Not to mention the golden seed abundance basically lets everyne stock up on more heals than a 3-man party in like 30 minutes.
My first experience with souls p v p. Me and my friend are starting the game. Joined together to fight the Tree sentinel in the beginning He had full Bullgoat Armor Proceeded to poison us And run away... So we downloaded the co-op mod and we've been having a lot of good times. Went back to bass game to do some p v p And did not have any good Duals or invasions I think i'm more cut out for player versus enemy 😂
When you get good enough those dudes are pretty easy to destroy since they're generally low skill all gimmick, but it takes a long while to adjust to pvp
Oh my god I recognize this sound track from the first minute and 20 seconds of the video. I felt my childhood coming back but my brain can’t put a finger on where exactly the track is from.
My first invasion in Dark Souls 3 on the high wall was a twink. My friend and I had just begun playing the game and some dude showed up with gear and items we'd eventually learn were from later on in the game. Really soured our start to the game, I believe a lot of streamers also got hit by people like this at the start.
I remember making a build that could just barely use wrath of the gods in DS1, and I would call myself the gatekeeper of sen's fortress. Basically all of my successful kills were knocking someone to their doom on the many thin platforms, but some players knew how to spam roll through it. Soul memory was actually super abusable back in DS2 as well. Mule saves were giga common on console, which had every item/spell and max souls as soon as you started, so your soul memory would be zero while being level 150+, creating even worse twinks than ds1 which had the stats of a NG+2 character as well as the weapons.
Honestly, thinks are not only in the best and most balanced they have ever been, but also among the most balanced matchups in Elden Ring’s current PvP. From my personal experience as both a phantom and invader, the odds are much more evened in a 3v1 against a twinked red man than if everyone has the same gear.
8:16 it still baffles me that after a year of the game being out, people still don’t realize what *SPAWN PROTECTION* is. Hilarious to capitalize, infuriating to watch as the host you’re helping gets two tapped
Twinks has no excuse for invading low level players. even if the player has a twink on their team, if you’re an invader you have every enemy on the map backing you with nothing to lose meanwhile the noob has to go against the odds and can lose experience, time, progress, and resources. I’ve learned that it comes with the lease agreement of souls games I still have fun despite that but a twink is a twink no excuses.
Okay, but why can't they just scale weapon upgrade level up or down until it's within the acceptable range instead of simply preventing the connection entirely? Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do and then we wouldn't need to worry about being in both the proper weapon upgrade _and_ soul/rune level range to PvP in specific areas. Multiplayer games live or die by the ability of players to connect with one another. You never want to end up in a position where you have two players who both want to engage in multiplayer but the game refuses to match them with anyone, not even each other.
Yeah, when I'm playing PVE, I just play offline so I don't have to deal with invaders. I do this with all Souls games, I just want to play the game in single player first time around without worrying about overpowered assholes killing me when I'm trying to get to my next destination on a first playthrough. When I do NG+ I play online then.
first time i ever got invaded on ds2 was actually a twink i was in the first area of the forest of the fallen giants and i was invaded by this dude in maxed out smelter armor with the interlocking greatshields making him basically invincible
oh hey it was you i invaded, okina was a gimmick build, it's terrible and doesn't work but was a fun thing to make. it is accurate using the dagger not an uchi so it's not broken or anything, twink yes but not a good one just a gimmick for people to take revenge on
In Bloodborne I used a now patched glitch to get the Reiterpallasch as early as possible to pvp as early as possible. It wasn't overpowered, I couldn't upgrade it beyond anyone else at that point in the game, and it just felt like I had a weapon I wouldn't see anyone else use at the time. Early pvping is so much more enjoyable than late game pvping not because your fighting people new to the game but because surprisingly the fights last longer than late game. And if you go out of your way to get an item possibly nobody has at that point then that just spices things up, but mid-maxing to do the most damage as possible as early as possible for pvp just ruins the fun completely.
I had terrible luck when I was low-level with only 2 flask no hp going against meta builds all the time was fighting more than progressing the story. Plus, insult to injury they would always run away to giants or to dogs when I was winning. When I invaded in Dark Souls 3, I never did any of that. It was to always have fun and mess around. When I invaded low lv characters, I always gave a gift, and then I'd play like fun, no sweating. I'm just glad seeing people still having fun while invading on both sides. P.S. I'm so glad it's different from Dark Souls 1, which was brutal.
I love low level invasions especially in dark souls 3. I'll leave items, show them through the level or attempt to initiate honor duels if players are new. Every so often you get one of those huge battle royals or fight clubs where skilled players use dried finger and get a full roster of summons and invaders to goof off and have fun.
I swear for the life of me I couldn’t find a single player on Elden Ring with enough social construct to understand that just because I can harm you, doesn’t mean I will. Doesn’t matter if I gesture, unequip my weapons or use some voice pottery. They always just seem to be in no brain attack mode.
@@CuriosityMisledMe it's baby's first Souls game. The vets are well aware of our customs while new players just see us as hostile enemies. Doesn't help invaders have a bad rep.
The twinks in DS3 were so unfathomably brutal I ended up making a character specifically made for carrying beginners through the Highwall of Lothric called "The Immortal Man", whose gimmick was I would use Cheat Engine to become invincible and fight off any invaders while engaging minimally in PVE encounters. My best experience with a twink was funnily enough in DS1 when I invaded a gravelord in the Undead Burg who was so extremely optimized that he didn't even take any form of damage for several invasions straight. The goal that day was to deal _some_ form of real damage to him, and after many invasions of getting spawnkilled, threatened off a cliff, and in general getting my ass kicked, I managed to strike him _once._ He dropped a "Very Good" on me for that, and I was proud of myself. Really the part that makes twinks cross a line for me is when they invade a total beginner with no idea what they're doing, then act like they're hot shit when pretty much all they did was kick down a child's sandcastle.
Been binge watching this channel and I know it's a month old video but wanted to share my experiences. On PC, I've met countless twink invaders who have no shame regardless of "host new-ness"! I used to play ER on ps4 often and created "twink" characters of my own but to be summoned in for help rather than an invader, so if I noticed the invaders were the kind of toxic twink invader, I'd deal with them accordingly with my own array of perfumes xD almost done my main playthrough and going to start up the twink defense again! Surprisingly enough all I've really needed to deal with most is flaming strike lance and then claymore with storm stomp. Everything else is just farming the mats to craft boluses and the perfumes are completely overkill. I miss when this game first launched where there was more fun and silliness in invasions, but nowadays more often than not - at least in my early-mid game experience - it's just ego trips running the show :(
im runnin a mr sandman build at level 60 right now with saint trinas. And damn near every invasion today was filled with over levelled full bull goat summons either spamming magic or using broken stuff from the dlc. and most of em are sitting in cleared areas waitin to gank. these days i think invaders go in assuming thats whats gonna happen so they prepare ahead of time for it
If they got it threw skill I see no problems. Now if they did it this way Then yeah it sucks. twinking refers to a character gaining equipment with the assistance of a higher level character, particularly by giving the low-level character higher level equipment that is otherwise unattainable
i remember making twink accounts in DS3 and Elden ring, initially it wasn't because of the pvp aspect (i'm god awful at invasions) but as a way of challenging myself. in the end i did about 300 or so invasions in stormwind roughly 6 months after release, but with weapons like great stars with bloodflame buff, and the swarm incantation. funny enough most people i fought did end up having things like full havel, mohg spear, ROB, moonveil etc, while i had things like varres mask, black knife chestpiece and ronin gloves/boots with the earlier mentioned great stars, a full setup obtainable after morgott if you do snowfield skip
My first twink was in DeS: He invaded me maybe ten minutes after phalanx broke every piece of my gear wasted all of my healing grass and then finally put on some fuckin' clothes and killed me in one hit. Things have certainly improved.
Soul memory in Ds2 didn't completely solve the twink problem on it's own but there were other things like invasion prioritizing human players over hollows, consumable invasion items, human effigy blocking multiplayer and blue sentinels that helped to support SM matchmaking system. Elden ring's approach to have weapon matchmaking, invasions only when host has summons etc. has killed the pvp whereas Ds2 is still thriving, which tells me Ds2 approach is the best choice in long term.
also chaos weapons were even better as if i remember correctly chaos weapons scale with 10 humanity but the physical defense increase goes up to 99. not the best
