One thing I tend to forget about is cross winds. Throw an OS disc on a hyzer in a cross wind that catches the underside of the disc and watch it take off like a lost balloon.
Or just get slammed into the ground immediately, yeah. Also, the most common mistake is an early release and the probability becomes the disc never turns when you need it to.
Absolutely loved this video dawg, this is something ive preached, Absolutely love having overstable approachers, playing lots of woods golf is always a must to get outa jail an throwing putters are the most fun especially when everyone else has fairways in their hand an you ripping a putter at it
Hi Robbie! It was great to meet you at Pro Worlds! I bag the Plasma Envy and the new L64 Grand Savior 4|4|0|3 which I’d define as a “thinner Harp”, which gives me a bit more distance and a more comfortable forehand grip.
I am currently bagging a Get Freaky Zone for the overstable slot, an Electron Envy for the straight to slightly overstable slot, and Electron Proxy for the slightly understable slot.
I am a new player. I am learning my disc. I currently bag a pig, jawbreaker zone, a5, warden soft, and a bounty. I have been trying them all out on different holes at my course to see what works best.
I bag a Truth and a Harp as my OS mid-range. I use a Judge and a Warden as my putters. I really like using my Truth with forehand and tend to lean towards the Harp on my backhand shots. I tend to use my Judge on downhill shots to the left. I mainly use my Warden in those long tunnel shots I don't wanna lose my Harp on. 😂
I’ve bagged a Rebirth envy since they dropped, which was my first look into a OS approach/ OS throwing putter option. While I was learning the ropes with that shot shape, I was able to use the Envy for both and it was great. But I definitely started having issues where I wasn’t getting the fade that I needed for certain shots. So I got a Drop, and now bag both. They really compliment each other well. Drop is a lot more OS than the envy and has been really fun to learn the new lines available to me now (BH & FH) that I couldn’t do with the Envy.
used to bag the gyropalooza envy and an entropy. lost the envy replaced it with a p model s and added a a4 which i prefer for backhand approaches over the entropy. I m gonna try the p3x out soon
Technically the harp is labeled a mid-range putter, i have two, an origio for putting (which i'll most likely replace with a BT as i don't vibe with origio) and a tournament-x for yeeting the beegees out of.
I throw a Cosmic Neutron Stabilizer, and Classic Slammer depending on wind, and distance. Both have been excellent and are staying in the bag for quite a while. If I need even more distance I have a freakishly overstable, for some reason, Proton Matrix, and a straighter, but reliably late fading Prism Plasma Pyro. Yes, mid ranges, but for me do the same job as an approach disc, just with a bit more easily accessible distance, if needed. Tail winds, and depending on the shot shape, I'm throwing Cosmic Neutron Pilots, or Neutron Proxy. Sound like an MVP fanboy, but only bag their slow stuff cuz they absolutely work. Did have a Neutron SE Jet in the tailwindy distance slot that was never returned from my local course. Other than that my bag is very mixed.
4:35 it's actually the opposite of what you said. A spinning object thrown RHBH naturally wants to turn and burn. Overstable fights against that, understable leans into it. Technically "turn" should be "turn resistance" as something with, for example, a -3 "turn" has a "negative resistance to turning over", meaning it wants to turn. A little convoluted, but it's how the physics works
I think the difference is the distance though; I find the 4 speed approaches cannot go as far and fare typically less glidey. I use envy, tactic and caiman personally and they are used for different things.
This might be a silly question but why would I want my putter to go further? I already have overlap between my comfortable putter range and my comfortable mid range. I don’t understand why more over lap is good. For example my golf line with my beat in zone is 225’ and I have definitely thrown an Aviar3 and Envy further but when I am comfortable throwing my mids 200’-275’ I don’t understand the value of an extra 25’ with a putter. It might be an interesting video. Is further always better?
I would personally want to have increased my putter distance, as the less aggressive fade when disc is slowing down would be great for me to have a lot further down the fairway. But that is me playing my courses, it might not apply to you.
I love the envy but it is not stable enough for me and goes too far compared to the zone. I like to bag both. if the zone is too beefy for you then the envy is a great alternative
My A5 says 3, 4, -1, 1. I hate/hated the A5 because it was recommended to me very early on in my disc golf journey. I'm slowly giving it more chances but we have a really bad history. Do not trust flight numbers, good people!
I threw pro rhynos for years and tried pigs but they weren't for me. Then the magic happened, the BT Hard MF'n Harp. For me it filled several gaps in my game. I'm still terrible but a happier terrible haha
I support mold maximalism, at least for low speed discs. Bag neutron watt, eclipse envy, eclipse tempo, and esp zone as my throwing putters and approaches. This slot especially I don't want to beat discs in to get certain flights. I want mostly fresh, maximally overstable (within my expectations for a mold), and maximally reliable discs. This means I need a different mold or at least different plastic for every type of flight in my game for those speed discs. I prefer that to Robbie's method of mold minimalization. I feel Robbie's pain though with availability. Tempo is, for me, the best floaty and less stable version of the zone available. But, that availability is brutal.
I didn't know I dogged on it! In my eyes saying it's so good it gives me problem putting other discs in was a compliment! My bad! 🤣🤣 Pig is love Pig is life!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf It was just the timing of this video following the Zone announcement which had a lot of heavy Pig disappointment. No worries, just thought you were going to drop a diss track next (kidding).
@@shanehinkley6265 yea eclipse plastic is for sure overstable, I forgot about that. If had the envy eagle for a while now and throw it 10 times a round and it still is more over stable than stable especially compared to my perfectly flipy cosmetic neutron envy
Stability and reliability are literally not the same thing despite how much those ideas are incorrectly intertwined by disc golfers. Reliability is fundamentally the ability to replicate a shot which is a skill and/or experience with a disc, stability is a flight characteristic of a disc...And you can see it in the pro game when pros invariably pick an overstable disc and reliably throw it out of bounds cause of extra skips, poor wind reads, not getting the disc to turn when they need it to and all sorts of factors because they are incapable of down-tempoing a shot or a disc, and you only need to look to people like Aaron Gossage for that who consistently stable and disc up and throw as hard as they possibly can. 9x out of 10 the most linear route to the basket is the correct one, something McBeth has called the “smart route” in the past in direct contrast to "simon lines." Beginners and even a vast majority of amateurs do not need stable discs like these other than for forehands, and even then throwing neutral or less stable discs on forehands is a skill. Using an overstable disc for forehands merely reduces the skill prerequisites because you can have terrible form and chop forehand instead of having a proper swing plane and learn all kinds of terrible bad habits. You can see players like Kristin Tattar only throws a harp for her forehand approaches and literally nothing else, but that’s more a reflection of her game does not have a backhand touch approach shot in it. Look at Paige Pierce who throws an understable Fierce to 400ft reliably at The Preserve which is often windy and for nearly every approach shot she makes, if you watch any round of hers since switching to discraft, chances are you will see Fierces thrown more than any other disc. I can reliably throw that Fierce or an understable Uplink 200ft easily, whether that’s straight at a basket or hyzered or shaping it. Reliability comes from experience and skill with a disc…stability is merely an approximation of how much a disc will dump. They are very much NOT the same thing.
