His worst nightmare was losing Padme (mother already gone). His nightmare became reality. I would say his love for Padme equates and transitions into his grief in that moment. Palpatine was overthrown because that intensity of Anakin's pain is exemplified in the force. A force that Palpatine could never imagine.
Because Sidious is a psychopath and he wouldn't be able to fully understand the range of emotions of normal humans nor feel them. Anakin obviously has borderline personality disorder but he is still otherwise another typical human with emotions more intenser. Palpatine is not really emotional compared to Anakin, they appear on the surface but then quickly die down.
Darth Plagueis overpowering his own apprentice time and time again proves why the Rule of Two exists within the Sith. The Master holds all the power and the apprentice craves for it.
Yup. If you read any books about the sith academy thousand years before luke was born there was so much infighting it did cause issues. That said they also won many battles to. Darth Bane created the rule of 2
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He could have killed the emperor so many times though. Physically kill him, no magical force but physical force. Vader is half terminator. He could literally crush the emperor's old wrinkled ass. Just wait till he's next to him then pick him up by his throat, crush. One good back hand, face caved in. Mabey even just rip his head off. Rip his limbs off. Probably a little extreme and I know that wouldn't happen. But I've always asked myself why didn't Vader just do that instead. I know the answer is probably Padme's death and him never forgiving himself for that, but didn't Vader want to overthrow and kill Palpatine just to rule the empire himself??? I've always thought that was in the back of his mind some what. Ain't no way Palpatine had him shook that much.
@@jasonvoorhees310 no way he could get close enough to do that without palpatine sensing it. Wanting to kill someone sends ripples in the force that can be felt by force sensitives. Remember, they have like pre cognition / spidey senses. And also remember that the force can be used to augment speed and strength. What you’re saying would almost certainly apply to igniting a lightsaber and striking him down and no chance vadar could have done that either. Grabbing him is not faster than turning on a lightsaber
He also used the force to sustain himself as he was throwing Sidious down the chamber because they were both getting hit with the lightening, but Vader's suit was a superconductor of it, thus Vader was calling on the maximum usage of the force to sustain himself long enough to catapult him.
Yeah but I think force users can do that innately. That means he didn't have the intent until the moment he picked up Sidious, who was distracted enough not to notice.
06:30 - A rude wake up call for Sidious, even in this crippled form, Vader was still insanely powerful and 1 to be feared! Also WTF? 😮 Vader is smiling and content, very rarely seen!
Ironically, killing Vader at that moment would have been the greatest kindness he could have given to him, and Vader would likely have agreed. Well, he would have agreed, then killed you for your presumptuousness in asking him.
The Fact that Vader still has the Raw strength when he is insanely enough to break through Palpatines force shield imagine what could've happened had he just tried to pull Palpatine up to his hand and choke him that easy it could've been
I mean to be fair though, Disney canon has stated that Vader actually was more powerful than Sidious. But Sidious being the master manipulator that he is, never really had to worry about his apprentice killing him, despite the him having the power to do so. I wonder if that irritated him or if he enjoyed this predicament.
Would love to have seen this extended interaction in ROTS. It would have set the power dynamic between the two characters, making the payoff on the Death Star 2 even more gratifying.
0:44- Anakin wasn't actually subservient to Palpatine when he threw him down that shaft to save Luke! Though you could argue that's why the film is called Return of the Jedi, it's basically about Anakin Skywalker's redemption in addition to Luke refusing to end up going down the same dark path as his father, choosing to embrace the Light Side as his masters had taught him, but tempered by his compassion (as Luke had a much healthier childhood thanks the Beru & Owen)!
I think Palpatine was more insulted & disgusted by the fact that his prized broken trophy (which broke itself), distraught by outcome of its actions/decisions would DARE lash out at him, his "one true friend". Aniken failed in Palpatines eyes after he was beaten by Obi Wan and left legless & buring on Mustafar, so Palpatine must have thought Vader had no right to dare attack him with the power he recently introduced Vader to (like a new student trying to school the teacher and being put in their place so they don't act up again). This is just how I interpret it
7:21 - Sort of, I mean, killing you Sith Master is something that one would expect from a Sith! Mind you, the Rule of Two is meant to make the Sith stronger by having the student kill the master once they have learned everything they can, but in practice, it's basically student killing their master when their vulnerable, like Sidious ultimately did to his master!
My server right about that throwing him down the reactor shop is the most insulting thing he could’ve done and most incredible. You should’ve done that way earlier. What if there was a water for he did that much earlier he would also be able to upgrade his suit and be like, oh I didn’t know I could do that that early
Same, it’s strangely inconsistent though, I’ve also heard he was 22, and now in this video I’ve heard he was 21. I’ve heard some RU-vidrs say he spent half of his life on the light side of the force, and half his life on the dark side, and that he died at 44 or 46 years old. I guess now it’s possible he was 42 when he died, it all just depends on what’s actually canonically the true answer, if there even is one.
I wonder if Vader's suit got updated to a lighter and more flexible model, if he would've been able to reclaim some of his former potential. If it did, I wonder if Anakin could've forced his way back to the surface, especially since a lot of the agony and discomfort of Vader's suit served as a catalyst for his connection to the dark side.
Vader didn’t lose potential in Canon and was stated to be above Sidious in power. He also was told by Sidious that he can upgrade his suit however he wished but Vader only did small upgrades.
Personally, this is one aspect that i dont like about Canon Star Wars. I prefer how originally in the movie it seemed his failure had brought him so low that he couldnt touch his Master, and the further context of the novelisation that he didnt even want to. The shadow understood him The shadow forgave him The shadow was all he had left
I agree.. Vader could have killed Sidious any time, but he would have perished. Just like in ROTJ. But.. .what else is there? dying for the sake of dying? Sidious was no match for vader anyways.
And what would darth Sidious expect from the Chosen one he may have been diminished but he was still among the most powerful people in terms of his still Innate Force Potential
True. Even injured and placed in the suit, he was still more powerful than any surviving jedi at their very best. That’s proof of the force strength he had after losing so much
@@frankdees507 and had darth Sidious not Limited Vader Aka Anakin so much Vader Probably would've destroyed Palpatine around the time of the Kenobi series
This is extremely powerful. Extremely. Vader indeed had incredible physical strength. It was easy for him to throw him into reaction. May the Force be with you too. Have a nice day too
More knowledge is always welcome. How dare Vader touch his master Siddious in such a disrespectful manner, if Siddious didn't need Vader at that point in time he would have killed him on the spot.
While there's fact, that after his defeat and burning, his potential was 880% of Palpatine and was much less experience, his rage fuel his dark side and gave him power to overcome his Master. I remember that Palpatine did on some occasions say, that Vader is on many aspects perfect Sith Lord. UUsing rage and hatred to grow stronger is very Sith.
Okay, this comic is kind of a good explanation as to why they deleted that scene from the clone wars where Maul had Palpatine pinned against the wall with the force for several seconds. The fact that no one could break the force barrier is insane. And the fact that Vader is pretty much the only one is even better.
@1:28 states " that the only other time that Vader uses the force on his master, was to save SIDIOUS'S life" you mean to save LUKE'S life surely? I really like this video, as all your videos. Makes me think. Great insight into the SWU. Love the creepy music too! Thanks
I think another factor may be that sideous killed his family by slamming them into a bulkhead so not only was that the first time someone touched him but he was suddenly put in the reverse position of the moment he became a sith
You forgot to mention made windu in ROTS. When Mace Windu deflected force lightning back at sidious with his lightsaber that traumatized sidious. Physically deformed him too. Maybe he was just pretending to be phased but seemed pretty painful for him to me. And he would never get laid again. Ever. Not even by jar jar. That being said, maybe his freakout had something to do with what recently happened with Windu
I would have thought that Vader throwing him down the reactor shaft would have been the worst thing. He basically threw him like a rag doll down the reactor shaft.
Losing to Obi Wan was far more insulting to Sidius, his little line of "Vader will grow more powerful than either of us" would never come true. In Sidius's eyes, Vader was a huge disappointment.
What about the time palpatine orchestrate his own assassination Vader then force pushed him off his throne and threw it outside a window in Coruscant, and killed some royal guardsman for not looking at the throne to see if there is anything that wasn't supposed to be there!
Sorry but you are wrong that it was easy for Darth Vader to man handling lift Palpatine over his head. It has always been written and told that because of his new Suite/Armor, he had limited motion and movement of all his limbs, especially that he greatly struggled and had trouble raising his arms over his head. Thus it being the main reasoning behind him changing his fighting form and movements. But otherwise it was a good story on a decent theory to Palpatine reaction to being touch and/or man handled so easily, after he obtained the title of and ruled as Sith Lord and Master.
I'm sorry but you're actually the one wrong here. When it comes to star wars canon the movies have always been the highest source for canon. If something conflicts with the movies it is wrong. The first time we see Darth Vader in episode 4 he is holding a grown man up by the neck with one hand. He definitely has the strength to life a person easily and hold them above his head. He literally does it in 2 of the 3 original trilogy movies. What youre referring to is something from a side story that tries to explain why Vader's fighting style in the original trilogy is so much different from his style in the prequels. It is a retcon excuse for the fact that the expertise and technology to show a lightsaber fight had progressed a great deal between the original and prequel trilogies.
@Kidomniman8635- I guess it's a win/win for Star Wars fans, bc whenever people discuss, disagree and/or argue points and tribute info, one person will bring up that it's not so as far as Canon then the other person will say but in legends..... ru-vid.com5cSVKY7boGk?feature=share
Didn't Mace Windu also show he was on a similar level to Sidious as he was able to with his own force abilities and light saber blast Sidious force lightning right back and the sith lord.
Hear Me Out:: "Force Leech" allows the Master to 'tap into' their apprentices Force connection, strengthening their powers and extending their lifespan (though the body continues to weaken). Sidious was Pelagius' last apprentice, who eventually murdered him in his sleep. He 'drains' Maul, then Tyranus, then Vader ...
You know I've always thought to myself that Vader could overpower sidious at any moment, so why didn't he. Not with the force of course, the video explains that plus we all knew that as fans, but I'm talking like just physically kill him. Vader is half terminator, all he had to do was pick a time where sidious is right next to him then BAM!!!!! Vader grabs him by his neck front or back, lifts him up and crushes the emperor's windpipe. Done. Probably could even rip his head off. He has robotic arms. It's so obvious now too looking back. Vader had so many opportunities to kill sidious. Hell, one good back hand from vader could crush the emperor's face in. No force needed. Except vaders physical force.
I think Palpatine knew exactly what would happen when Anikan came into conflict with Obiwan . He just wanted to use Anikan but make sure he was crippled but with enough power to do the Emperor's bidding . He knew if Anikan was left to become what he should have it would be his end . Unfortunately for Palpatine he could not understand what a parent will do for a child. So he miscalculated . I still think Vader held back when fighting Luke in the Return of the Jedi. He was handcapped by his feelings for Luke. There was no way he was going to let the Emperor kill his child even if it meant his own demise. Palpatines weakness was he did not understand this basic law of nature.
If Anakin never fail to darkside of the force if he was sitting on the jedi council as jedi master and He would be the worst jedi master ever cause he is a power of authority. People who do not like authority are the worst people to have authority when they have become authority f figures
