Gear Seekers failed to cover an important and basic requirement of a motherboard, the CMOS battery. On this board, which was very annoying, the CMOS battery is NOT accessible if you need to replace it. The CMOS battery is under the heat-sink that is part of the rear IO box. To replace the CMOS battery, you have to remove the entire board from the case, then remove 4 rather large screws under the board that hold the heat-sink in, then remove the heat-sink from the board. The CMOS battery is attached to the rear IO framework with a 2-way tape and plugged into the board with small wires and white connector. The CMOS battery is all one piece, including the wire that it needs to connect to the mother board. So this means you have to get this specific design/make of the battery to replace it. The heat-sink is that bulky metal cover that shows the MSI logo, and it is "L" shaped. It sits beside and at the left and top of the CPU cage as one piece. This heat-sink becomes part of the rear IO section of the board. . It is very upsetting for 2 reasons: 1 - cannot easily access it without removing the entire board from the case. 2 - CMOS battery appears to be proprietary, means the way it is designed you cannot just buy any same type battery like the old days and plunk it in, you have to get the specific battery as a part purchase from MSI. Essentially, it is like rebuilding the entire computer all over again just to replace a friggin battery. - that was a poor design.
How often do these CMOS batteries last? Thinking about getting this board. Would it be worth buying a new one and fitting it when first building the system?
@@furbs9999 I have this board and did not find out about the location of the CMOS battery until after I installed it. It has been 1 year since I got the board and no problems withe CMOS battery. I have not found any definite information as to how long this particular CMOS battery lasts, but read my comment on the horrible location of the battery, then decide if you want this board.
and 20 dollars of gas used to get you over half a tank its not just hardware going up its everything I count my blessings that the hardware isn't that bad in comparison still expensive but for high end hardware I'm glad its not more
@@Cruor34 not everything is about gaming, i have 10Gbe to my NAS, makes moving large files around much easier especially editing video/4k. Do you use wifi on your desktop? i would on a MB of this price no one would use wifi especially gaming.
@@OPTIMUS6LTR Well, the answer is I think it would be fair to say the board is heavily targeted at gamers and I don't want to pay for 10 Gbe, I have no need of it. I also see people asking "why aren't there more m.2 sockets" Like, we have 8 TB and larger m.2 drives, what the hell do you need all that space for? I think people need to understand they are fringe. I like a good GPU, CPU and 32 GB of ram but after that I am good to go, I think that is more representative of who this board is targeted at. I think they should make an option for a 10 Gbe and endless m.2 drives for guys like you, I just have no need, so I'd say the board is targeted at me.
@@Cruor34 what I’m saying is all these boards have wifi6e which we are paying for id rather 10gbe and most would, gamer or creator. 2x m.2 is plenty for me this has 4!
I just finished building my new Desktop with AMD *7950X* with and *X670E* And a kit of 4 * 32GB of DDR5 6400 Ram ♈ with 4 Terabyte Samsung NVME generation 5 And as i was about to *turn on the System* ♥️ just to check the Graphics and performance on my Favorite Game 😍 I woke up from the most *exotic* Dream 🤣 i ever had. 🚫⚡
I have the exact same feeling as you do regarding the full Audio I/O which is more rare nowadays, especially the optical output, compared to 10 years ago when motherboards did cost 1/3 of that price. About 10GbE as well, it does also feels weird considering the 10GbE copper standard specification was released about 15 years ago. I guess the demand for it wasn't enough but still.
That top m.2 slot cover is such a wonderfully simple mechanism but a brilliant addition. Hopefully more boards get a similar system in the future just like how the twist peg for securing the m.2 drive has been rapidly adopted.
Happy 5th anniversary. I am glad you spent some time talking about how crazy are prices. I'm waiting for b650 because i just cant waste $500 in motherboard...
Great video mate! I do agree that the X670E and X670 motherboards are just too expensive for the mainstream currently. I think in a years time pricing might make sense but currently they are way too overpriced.
Labelling my cables? 🤣 MSi thinks I will randomly forget whats different between PCIe and EPS cables 😳😂 I love the 4 M.2 slots on my B550 Unify, so it's nice to see MSi does kept that again. Lightning is really tastefully done on this board.
You can add a 10/100 Gbe using the 8x slot. How these boards are built (VRMs) and the associated pricing seems to indicate that they will easily support at least 3 generations of processors. These are more for professionals or those with deep pockets.
The price of entry for AM5 _Is Too Damn High_ , what a shame. Lovely motherboard though. Personally, I really never use the full feature set of onboard audio. Just the green line out to a pair of powered speakers. _For me_ , the onboard audio is of little concern. Asrock has all but eliminated it on their B650M PG Riptide. Question : do you think Asrock will send you one for review? I hope so.
That’s the board that count my eye on new egg , ace is nice but to high , and godlike is way over kill for what I do , but the carbon is perfect price is fair and it offers a lot , I’ll order mine next moth sometime 😊
Appreciate the detail connector review along the edge. That type of detail can be very important for planning a build. Only suggestion is perhaps call out all the fan headers as a separate section. The extended coverage of the rear support plate for the CPU is also a great call out. Congrats on 5 years!
Wow, this AM5 Carbon board is about $250+ more expensive than the last 8th Gen Carbon board I bought. I guess MSI and other board manufacturers think that gamers and enthusiasts all hit the jackpot at the same time...
Yeah. There seems to be a sweet spot between $200-330 above which you really get diminishing returns out of x670E. Paying an ultra premium for 1 or 2 xtra features
great video, glad to hear your views on what you think these new motherboards should come with considering the high prices 🙂👍 also Happy 5 Year RU-vid Anniversary 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
I waited for Zen4 to come out to realize that for +30% performance it requires +150% price (in mainboard+memory spendings). Also AM4 supports silently ECC on the better boards (and Pro Ryzens) while I don't hear about ECC DDR5 support on AM5. (Don't tell me about the on-die DDR5 ECC, because this is to improve the yields/reduce defective modules).
yes msi mpg carbon x670e wifi is best for me i have asus crosshire x670e hero but this is shit bios is shit not stable i must have 4800mhz ram and default bios setings but ever not stable every 30 minuts black screen and restart. now i have msi carbon and i have not any problem ram 6400 mhz
Banger of a motherboard overview fams. The Carbon wifi looks sleek. Happy congratulations on making 5 years once again. Keep up the hard work as always
I just got a used MPG_X570S_CARBON_MAX_WIFI motherboard with a Ryzen 9 5900X cpu, 32gb mem, and a 1TB NVMe for a good price. I like this board but it will be several years before I look for one of these used. This is a nice board though.
Is it worth getting an X670E motherboard over the B650E motherboards? I was planning to get the Asus ROG Strix B650E-F mobo. But whenever I come across this MSI mobo, I get confused. Can anyone please help me out with this? Is X670E will be better in terms of longevity as compared to B650. I don't want to change mobos every 2-3 years.
I got X670E for a 7900X, for the future PCIE apps. Strix B650E-F is already strong enough to run all Ryzen 9, I will say the choice between B650E and X670E highly depends on how many PCIE devices you plan to run. ROG B650E-E is another popular mobo for players do not like the serial 2-chips on X670. Keep an eye on the BIOS version and SOC voltage of Asus mobo.
Not sure why video did not mention this very small feature yet important feature which is the CMOS battery! The usual CR2032 CMOS battery for this board is not the usual available form factor. It is still a CR2032 with plug (KTS CR2032) which is not ready avail at supermarket or store but at more specialised electronic store. Next it is the position of this CMOS battery. It is tuck and glued to behind the back panel audio header under the VRM heatsink. This means the VRM need to be remove in order to change the CMOS battery. This is sooo not obvious until u need to replace the CMOS battery.... However the B650 Carbon with a lower price tag, its CMOS battery is the usual form factor at a very convenient position. This 670E board is a premium series w/ high price tag thus I expect nothing but the best design incorporated. Next i remembered that Asus and MSI will corporate a sort of remote push button lever to eject the GPU from the PCIE slot. Nowaday with big GPU, i find it quite hard to unlatch the lock lever in order to remove the GPU. Asus Strix did implement this remote push button on their 670E but i can't find this feature on the MSI carbon or even ACE... Actually I wish to use MSI for the 670 series but now I re-consider stick back to Asus Strix instead..
Does it fit a 2.5 pcie slot gpu without blocking the second pcie slot? I got the SAPPHIRE NITRO+ AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT, and the motherboard's manual doesn't tell us too much about...
Now we start seeing 2 empty expansion slots above the GPU, and GPUs pushing 4 slots. Soon we gonna se graphics cards not fit in the pc because of the motherboard!?! I really do not understand this
One important thing to note about the PCIe slots: If you only use the first slot, but not the second, the first slot will be PCIe5.0 with 16x allocated data lanes. If you use the first slot, but also the second slot, they will both become PCIe5.0 with 8x allocated data lanes (which in turn basically becomes PCIe4.0x16).
Two questions. 1) who needs the "full audio connection" I have a steel series arctus pro wireless (whatever the newest $350 headset is called) it sounds great, it's noise canceling and it connects its hub with 1 USB. Do you need more? Honest question. It gets high reviews everywhere. 2) who the hell needs more than 2.5 GB speed? May e I'm an old man but I remember dual up modems. I was thrilled when DSL became a thing. Honestly once I have a fast enough connection to have a low ping and can steam a movie and game all at once who cares? I have 500mb/sec which imo is way more than I need. They are trying to sell me gig speed and I'm like why? When I do get a new game I take a dump or have a shower or eat a snack as it downloads and it's ready in no time. How fast does a download need to be? You can have a good ping and a much narrower connection.
I don't like the look of this Carbon board compared to the x570 and z690. It completely forgoes the carbon fiber look that it's named after. Still looks fine, but I'm a bit disappointed. Maybe the (hopefully upcoming) EK X version with the CPU monoblock will look better
Given the extreme prices of recent releases in terms of motherboards, perhaps maybe a partial review could be conducted on some stuff like overclocking headroom? I'd love to know if there were functional differences in my ability to overclock between the top of the line X670 to the lowest B650 when released. And if it is found that there are no differences, that could help people save a lot of money.
@@jasperlorenzo3102 Yeah I'm going to skip MSI altogether with this platform. Also, the x570s came out at least a year later, it wouldn't have helped me much as it wasn't available at launch.
If I want max storage without decreasing bandwidth to PCIe 1, which slots would I install my M.2 SSDs? Also would any SATA ports be disabled if using any M.2 slots? I want to maintain x16 in PCIe 1.
I might have bought this board . But they killed it by having some game looking USB that I will not use. I would rather have the extra M.2 lane to the CPU. Yes it only has 1 M.2 Gen5 Gigabyte master has 2
Feels like a bit of a ripoff, tbh. Maybe it's got something uber expensive going on in power management or overclocking headroom that I don't understand, but what is MSI offering here that the $100+ cheaper ASUS ROG Strix isn't? You'd think in a top of the line board for a chipmaker that is angling towards USB you might want to at least put a header on there somewhere for the nascent 4.0. ASRock Taichi is also $100+ cheaper with the same PCIe 5.0 features and actually has USB 4.0 right on the rear IO. These new X670's are all beasts for sure and a big step up, but I would want something a little more futureproof across the board for that much money. We'll see what cyber Monday brings :D
I'd argue that the X670E Taichi is a much more interesting AM5 board for around the same price. The X670E Carbon seems about $100 too expensive when compared with the competition
It kills me how ugly most MSI mobos are. They typically do OK on their graphics cards. The only uglier mobos that I can think of offhand are ASRock's Taichi boards, which redefine fugly.
