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The Most Overrated Studio Gear (and the Most Underrated) 

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Justin Colletti gives his picks for the most overrated studio gear for recording, mixing and mastering, as well as the most underrated studio tools.
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@dougr5187
@dougr5187 3 года назад
Honestly, as I get older, I'm now viewing a decent chair (that doesn't increase my occasional lower back pain) or maybe even a standing desk as an under-rated necessity!
@josepuente8852
@josepuente8852 3 года назад
I’m 30 and man do I love having a simple ergonomic desk now. 😅
@jordanshreds747
@jordanshreds747 3 года назад
Ergo Chair, Mouse, and Keyboard my man. You hit the nail on the head
@DerekSmyth
@DerekSmyth 3 года назад
Spot on. I’ve been through 2 major spinal surgeries and just lost my job due to not having a well setup desk and chair. I recently upgraded my chair, electric sit/stand desk and using both hands for mousing. Huge improvement and obviously regret not having so it years ago
@aristokorat7599
@aristokorat7599 3 года назад
drum throne is the most underated gears in drumming..for me at least..the proof is the price
@RussArteaga
@RussArteaga 3 года назад
I went chair shopping about 5 years ago and found the best chair I’ve ever used long term. It’s called the Embody chair sold at Design Within Reach. Aerons are also incredible. Both are long term sitting chairs and work for people of all weights and sizes.
@3m63r3
@3m63r3 3 года назад
I've got a Neve summing mixer that never gets used - just a bunch of pretty lights for the studio. In blind tests, clients would more often choose the ITB mix over the Neve.
@3m63r3
@3m63r3 3 года назад
@@devianthousend Luxury problem, I know
@dx_armitage
@dx_armitage 3 года назад
Wanna sell it, lol?
@toneyrockstv
@toneyrockstv 3 года назад
Then you’re probably not using it right or your gain structure on the way to the summer is off. Summing is about gluing groups together with varying levels of harmonic distortion vs running the mix through a stereo saturation box like the Black Box or Culture Vulture. When removed, there should be a discernible loss of FEELING.
@avebac1
@avebac1 3 года назад
All those commenting are probably overated
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 3 года назад
gotta say i hear a lot of blind preamp tests and they sound vvvv similar to my ears but i heard a neve summing A/B and was blown away actually when i was really expecting it to be indiscernable, so was surprised to hear you say this. im still saving up for one
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
I agree with you 100%... but man... you could've said that in 5 minutes instead of 20.
@facteurkaloun
@facteurkaloun 3 года назад
Right!! This channel brings interesting topics but each video lasts approximately 20 minutes and more when each time it could be done in a less than 10 minutes video... So I am ending watching this channel in double speed mode lol I'm sure this channel would be sooo much better with 5 or 10 minutes formats and less repetitions. But anyway the topics are not so bad... Only youtubers think we can spend 24 hours watching long videos on RU-vid lol 😜
@jimmackraz2734
@jimmackraz2734 3 года назад
I was about to comment; 20 min saying same thing about pre-amps. It helps to tap '>' to speed up youtube. I tapped it twice.
@Mix3dbyMark
@Mix3dbyMark 3 года назад
It's for the algorithm, mo minutes, mo money
@andrewbetinsky5596
@andrewbetinsky5596 3 года назад
youtube has told you tubers that they need to be making longer videos. You'll notice that people that used to make 5-7 min videos are now making 14-17 min videos
@darrenhirst9900
@darrenhirst9900 3 года назад
@@andrewbetinsky5596 Make longer videos so we can put in more ads. 🤣
@flotopo
@flotopo 3 года назад
One of the best, if not THE best upgrades I did to my studio, is acoustic treatment. Without changing or adding a single piece of audio gear, I basically transformed my studio and started to realize that it wasn't my onboard preamps that needed upgrading, it wasn't the converters and it wasn't even my decent but modest studio monitors that needed upgrading. In a very real way, all of this equipment was "upgraded" when I radically upgraded the acoustic treatment of my studio. Hearing the things I recorded and later mixing them in the improved acoustics space made me realize that the equipment was not the issue but rather the acoustics of the environment I was working in. I 100% agree! Acoustic treatment is indeed the most underrated studio gear.
@pjeffries301
@pjeffries301 3 года назад
Underrated: experience, intelligence, work ethic, honesty.
@chriszichriszable
@chriszichriszable Год назад
health! In his pyramid of necessities, he missed that you need to eat healthy, otherwise that growling stomach will make too much noise!
@DarkTrapStudio
@DarkTrapStudio 4 месяца назад
Social Skills is 200% more important than experience, even the best in the world told that. Im the best producer of G House / Trap in my town as I know yet nobody asking for me because I lack social skills and networking
@DarkTrapStudio
@DarkTrapStudio 4 месяца назад
health yes most important thing in the whole universe
@GabrielCastellarTV
@GabrielCastellarTV 3 года назад
I respectfully disagree in regards to pre-amps being overrated. I think that’s the important part of the chain IMO. Due to the fact it is the first thing in the chain. Same logic goes with a guitarists amplifier. You can have all the best guitar pedals and effects, just as you can have the best mic’s, eq’s, compressors etc, but if the pre-amp is lacking or isn’t appropriate for the source being recorded, then from my experience, you’ll most likely have to over saturate your signal through those said effects to get any vibe or color for your recorded source. This is just my opinion of course! Love this video and topic. Cheers
@marksmusicplace3627
@marksmusicplace3627 2 года назад
I can see your point but I also have to disagree and agree with justin and heres why, the mic pre is not the first source but the musician or artist is. And the way he or she articulates their instrument rather its vocals or a physical instrument is thee most important. Second is the microphone that is capturing that instrument and how its placed. Some instruments are DI but a lot of instruments are captured in a good acoustic room. the quality of the instrument can make a huge difference. this is why a yamaha motif will always sound better than a 200 dollar casio. This is why pro studios are adement about their rooms and room ambience. Preamps are just a matter of color. Think about this for a second. IF a studio has an amazing console like a NEVE VR 80 or SSL 6000G or API Legacy. those consoles come with amazing preamps and usually one per channel so were talking at least 58 to 80 preamps or depending on the channel count. SO why in the world do they need outboard gear of different preamps? its because its a choice of preamp colors more than just preamps itself. And also the preamp are going to be conjoined in a signal chain with compressors such as a LA2A or 1176 or distressor and maybe a pultec before hitting the converter. SO preamps are important but not as important as the artist or the musician and the quality and playing and sound quality of the instrument.
@canilhan98
@canilhan98 2 года назад
i would have to agree to thisagree to agree again to maybe hear some differences herein most people might not agree to hear and negligible differences might be agreeable upon a second listen to a trained ear sich as myself but most people would disagree because they
@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect
@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect 3 года назад
Yes! So regarding "Maybe YOU can't hear the difference!" I'll tell you who absolutely cannot hear the difference and doesn't care. The person at the bus stop listening on their iPhone earbuds. I've never once heard an end-user say - Oh I love that track but would it have killed them to have used a Neve preamp on the lead vocal?! Nobody cares. I totally agree with your point regarding acoustic treatment. For those of us mixing ITB on a desktop and powered monitors, I'd say an uninterruptible power supply is an absolute must. Where I live the power has been rock solid for more than 20 years but this year there's been a number of freak storms that have caused power cuts. Twice while I've been mixing. My next studio gear acquisition will be made by APC!
@flotopo
@flotopo 3 года назад
I TOTALLY agree with you! My next purchase will be an APC, too! I've been needing one for a long time and I was aware that I do need one, but I would always find some reason to delay making that purchase. The point you're making with the "person at the bus stop listening on their iPhone earbuds" is one I make all the time. I have good, decent studio gear, but I do not have expensive, boutique style gear and yet I can make as good a music with my gear as the next guy who owns tons of expensive outboard gear, because at the end of the day, IF you really know your craft, you can make ITB mixes that sound just as good as mixes done on outboard gear and the "person at the bus stop listening on their iPhone earbuds" will not be displeased with the record they're listening to and say "man, I really wish this song was not mixed ITB, but rather I wish it was mixed on a real analog console with all the right analog outboard gear". That's NEVER going to realistically happen. So we should rather focus on improving our mixing skills, our craft, and not obsess over not having a Neve preamp, or some other expensive hear out there.
@JG-to8sp
@JG-to8sp 3 года назад
They would care if suddenly all they could buy sounded like total trash. The fact is, they still for the most part get to experience something extremely sophisticated. I've never liked the idea that end users don't have any intuitive sense of the quality in what they are hearing.
@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect
@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect 3 года назад
@@JG-to8sp Nobody said anything about quality. The end user often has absolutly no idea how the music was produced what equipment was used or who the producer was, who the eginner was what studio it was recorded in or who made the instruments. All this has absolutley nothing to do with the quality percieved by the user.
@JG-to8sp
@JG-to8sp 3 года назад
@@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect An end consumer is not concerned about the issues that we obsess over, anymore than I care about the manufacturing decisions of BMW cars, but I have a level of expectation from BMW that I take for granted. My point is that just because they can’t specify what was used on a record doesn’t mean they don’t care, we are a service industry that has insanely high standards and its very successful because of that. If consumers don’t care, it’s because the standard is high enough they don’t have to.
@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect
@Justin_the_Analog_IC_architect 3 года назад
@@JG-to8sp I can't think of a worse analogy.
@KolbyKnickerbockerMusic
@KolbyKnickerbockerMusic 3 года назад
This is spot on. I work with a lot of new-ish artists and I can't tell you how many times I listen to recordings from poorly treated rooms. I always say acoustic treatment is the first thing to do before you start recording.
@CarlyonProduction
@CarlyonProduction 3 года назад
Good point on preamps. The number of pop records being cut on little UAD interfaces is really a testament to this. I have been super impressed by my SPL crimson. It makes my DI guitar sound as good as ANYTHING I have used before. Mics make a MASSIVE difference. Performance makes a difference. The production choices you make also make a huge difference.
@stanleyassor3172
@stanleyassor3172 3 года назад
nice to hear, i bought the Crimson too but my mic is a Rode NT1 and i am saving HARD for an AKG Xlii. But i will surely get an avedis ma 5 as well. Haven't set up yet and will do mostly ITB...is the Crimson truly colorful as they say? do you use it for mixing
@CarlyonProduction
@CarlyonProduction 3 года назад
@@stanleyassor3172 Honestly buddy the Crimson is amazing. I am thinking about getting a UAD interface just for the convenience and being able to run extra plugins....but as far as sound is concerned, I don't think there is any way I will prefer the UAD interface. The crimson is such a bargain IMO. You get a lot of interface for that money, along with a decent 'control room' device. I love the guitar direct in a hell of a lot. I used to love using Avalon gear for direct input, but I honestly think the sound I get from my Crimson is my favourite yet. There is a great shootout on Gearslutz where people did a blind listening test between different devices. There you had a Metric Halo interface (worth over 2500) and the Crimson. Well, the Crimson won! Which validates the comments made in this video. Often the differences are small, whilst the more expensive gear doesn't always win out! I use mine for everything. I have taken to recording vocals with a dynamic mic recently and am getting incredible results - straight in with no processing. Hope you get on well with yours!!
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 Год назад
yes, choosing the optimal mic and placement saves sooooo much trouble and work down the line.
@davelordy
@davelordy 3 года назад
Best bang for the buck when it comes to improvement in sound when mastering: Red wine.
@Jalliams
@Jalliams 3 года назад
😂 indeed. Specifically, a good Syrah 👌
@johantt2591
@johantt2591 3 года назад
Damn, I poured a whole bottle in my mixer and it doesn’t sound better!! 😂
@pocket1684
@pocket1684 6 месяцев назад
Great vid. I"m one of those nerds. I used to be a hardware snob. Back in the early 2000's to 2010, I used apogee converters, and Avalon, U/A 610b, Chandler, Neve, API pre amps, plugins have become so great, that I have sold most of my hardware. I've also spent countless hours, trying different mic techniques and diff mics on various converters to find which combos work best.
@sicknoterecording
@sicknoterecording 3 года назад
I've been teaching myself to produce/mix for the past 18 months and monitor positioning was probably the last thing I did and overlooked. As you say there's so many easy wins. I have a pair of mid priced monitors which i love but I think knowing them and positioning is far more important than their quality. In addition to the aforementioned a good monitor controller, headphone amp is great. Even a reasonable mixer, that allows you set to up and record with zero latency, I find latency when recording a massive handicap- especially when recording vocals.
@curtvincent3728
@curtvincent3728 2 года назад
Heh, MicPres" The king has no clothes! I say it and people want to kill me. A $5,500 DW Fearn VT-2 will make a Shure SM57 sound as good as it can, but it is still a $100 SM57. I have. VT-2 because it makes my $5,000 vintage RCA ribbon mics sound great! That is the differentiator. But if you have a $4,000 budget, spend the bulk on the mic, not converters. But as far as A/D converters go, right on! It is the analog filters at the head of the A/D process that makes the difference. Wrong slope and phase filtering at 20K and you get artifacts from aliasing distortion. Not from sampling and 24 bit quantization process. Thank you! And full disclosure, I was an intern at Doug Fearn's Philadelphia studio for a short period in 1980 long before he manufactured gear. He was brilliant.then and he is brilliant now. He taught me more than he knows. In closing "get the blue cables, they sound sooooo much better than the black ones." Yeah, right.
@lassorb4752
@lassorb4752 Год назад
Prio: 1) Acoustic treatment 2) speakers 3) mic 4) a good hardware compressor … 100) mic preamp 101) focusrite 6i8 … 1001) fancy midi-gear
@markmorrell3494
@markmorrell3494 3 года назад
While I disagree with your opinion on mic press and converters as being overrated, I do really appreciate that you touched on room treatment. All the best gear you can posses could be handicapped if you cannot control the acoustics of your listening environment with some measure of accuracy. Another eye opener for me was cables. Best not to cut corners when it comes to cables to save money. I unfortunately learned that lesson the hard way too many times. Especially when comes to your monitors. Thank you for the video!
@DarkTrapStudio
@DarkTrapStudio 4 месяца назад
1. Social proof with expensive gear 2. Pro Tools 3. Preamp indeed 4. Quality over social Skills 5. Phase shift of Multiband 6. Aquire gear over having clean electricity and conversion
@andrewstevenson3807
@andrewstevenson3807 3 года назад
1. Daw 2. Converters 3. Preamps 4. EQ plug-in 5. High End Cables Now I’ll have a listen and see what you reckon Justin!
@vyero
@vyero 3 года назад
I’m gonna comment on this before I see your picks… my picks are: Overrated: - NS10s - Avalon 737 - Neumann TLM102 - Every Genelec monitor with plastic cabinet. Underrated: - Joemeek stuff - JZ Microphones (any mic) - Elysia stuff (even the cheaper modules) - Josephson measuring mics - Cloudlifters
@Tommyalpaca
@Tommyalpaca Год назад
The listening test thing is so true, the differences are so subtle.
@DarkTrapStudio
@DarkTrapStudio 4 месяца назад
Most underrated : Chair Mouse Keyboard Screens Controllers (acoustic space for sure) Support for headphones Stock plugins
@jarjar45123
@jarjar45123 3 месяца назад
100% agree. Acoustic treatment is worth so so much more than anything else. It can cost 3-5k to do it right in a medium-small studio. But i waited way way too long to just bite the bullet and put gik bass traps and ceiling clouds everywhere
@mitchstone6023
@mitchstone6023 3 года назад
patchbay defiantly underrated
@djdanger9812
@djdanger9812 3 года назад
In my experience its all the subtle things combined that make the difference. When tracking and Mixing its the thing that's getting me closer to a more professional sounding end product. It all depends where your at in building your recording space. As you said they are subtle so start with what makes the biggest improvements in your sound first then refine your sound capture/processing with these more subtle things when the major things are sorted. Just my opinion.
@PhatLvis
@PhatLvis 2 года назад
The proper A/B test for preamps is not one versus another, but Preamp vs. No Preamp (straight digital). A good preamp will always sound better - especially if they can be driven/saturated, etc.
@SonicScoop
@SonicScoop 2 года назад
Ummm.... But there's no such thing as recording a mic with no preamp :-) You're always using a preamp somewhere, whether inside your interface, or even inside the mic itself if it's a USB mic or something. Hope that makes sense! -Justin
@bennettshapiro7711
@bennettshapiro7711 3 года назад
Preamps definitely have their own character. There are some decent inexpensive mic pre’s these days, but I have had to work on so many projects recorded on crappy preamp’s, and it’s really hard to make them sound like anything other than crap.
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 Год назад
It's when combining many channels recorded through them in the mix and using them to get the most from your mic locker that they become worth the investment. Unless you're mixing lots of channels and have the monitors+treatment to do it well, I don't think the $300+ per channel preamps are going to matter. e.g. for a podcaster, having a sexy pre-amp is mostly a fetish or peacocking / $tatus thing. At best, it can help a mic to sound less fatiguing over time. (in which case, the weak link is the mic and the pre is being used as an expensive band-aid)
@RichRobinson
@RichRobinson Год назад
100%. Preamps make a massive difference to my ears. I can hear fully the difference. People noticed a sonic jump when I went from average press to most sources being tracked with 1073s & Great Rivers. Obviously this isn’t quite the same if your room & mic sound weak. Obviously they make more of a difference. I’m not talking about that though.
@TheAsthmattack
@TheAsthmattack 3 года назад
Underrated: Monitors. I get crazy seeing all that setups with full racks of good outboard that costs thousands and then they're mixing on Krks or Yamahas hs's. Definetly acoustics in that group too.
@tomhigham88
@tomhigham88 3 года назад
@@loganwhite8375 Kali!
@aristokorat7599
@aristokorat7599 3 года назад
@@loganwhite8375 headphones..or none
@tomhigham88
@tomhigham88 3 года назад
@@aristokorat7599 no problem. I’m pretty sure this very channel has a review of them actually.
@dirgmario
@dirgmario 3 года назад
I’m somewhat sleepy right now and I read “overrated: monitors” and was about to lose my mind hahaha glad I kept reading and then read again.
@darrenhirst9900
@darrenhirst9900 3 года назад
Someone once said KRK's are like Beats headphones for boosting the bass. Yamaha HS are the cool new NS10'S and I agree with you on the expensive studio. Its like Abbey Road using krk's.
@doctorjoyboylove
@doctorjoyboylove 3 года назад
I totally agree with your picks of over- and underrated gear, but there is one point missing for me: I think blind-tests do not always tell the whole truth about a difference in sound quality if you only listen on a single sound source. From my experience even differences in the range of nuances can add up to a significant difference when applied to multiple channels in a mix - for better or worse. Of course that's not only true for Preamps, but even more for room-treatment, not to mention for the source of the signal (like a Drumset that is set up perfectly or is not), but I think you have to keep that in mind to appreciate what Preamps do to the sound (at least if you compare cheap and half-decent preamps and not decent preamps and boutique preamps - I'm not so sure about that).
@ckiraly2007
@ckiraly2007 3 года назад
Most underrated: On-line UPS (uninterruptible power supply). Keeps gear healthy, protects gears and eliminates noise. Best purchase I ever made.
@simon_patterson
@simon_patterson 3 года назад
Thanks for the tip! I will try this.
@ckiraly2007
@ckiraly2007 3 года назад
@@simon_patterson Make sure it's the on-line type UPS which converts AC to DC to AC, that's what makes the difference. Eliminates all electrical noise on the supply side.
@simon_patterson
@simon_patterson 3 года назад
@@ckiraly2007 thanks for the tip. That makes sense.
@maurizioita86
@maurizioita86 3 года назад
An example please? Which one di you own? Can you also connect a valve guitar amp to It?
@alanlockwood849
@alanlockwood849 3 года назад
Planning a good room isolation, treatment, blah blah blah is the first thing. If you don’t feel comfortable and you get distracted with this issues doesn’t matter the gear you have you will never reach your goal. I agree that low price interfaces sound great comparing them to older devices. Anyway there is a big difference with more expensive models. Also, for me it’s not about the price it’s more how you feel and like the sound thru them and that’s the same for pre-amps. Having in your room a 1073 is great but maybe doesn’t fit in your sound and that’s why I think it’s more important to make a balance between quality, personal taste, workflow and price. As in other comments I agree that pre amps, compressors or eq shine is during the recording stage were you use them in context with the interpretation from the musician, singer or whatever and so in the mixing stage when you overthinking what to do with a sound.
@joeboonmusic4004
@joeboonmusic4004 3 года назад
The only preamp I've heard that would make me justify a huge expenditure was when I heard the Coil tube preamps... They have an EQ on them too, the most almighty tone.
@kevinbatchelor9566
@kevinbatchelor9566 2 года назад
I’ve been craving for the Coil Pres too. That CA70 sounds amazing.
@joeboonmusic4004
@joeboonmusic4004 2 года назад
@@kevinbatchelor9566 Right?! They're unbelievable, even just on a 57 it was unbelievable. I have a tube mic in my studio, the idea of that through a Coil is almost too much to bear!
@bassplayerBV
@bassplayerBV Год назад
An efficient and and effective workflow is highly underrated.
@circusreturn2397
@circusreturn2397 3 года назад
i would say guitar/bass pedals are underrated pieces of gear. they can be really useful for adding colours to mixing. especially nowadays many manufacturers already increases the specs to handle hotter signals. and plus, we all live to have impedance mismatch for distortion anyways, aren’t we? hehe
@GDMartin
@GDMartin 3 года назад
Phillips hue is a must !!! And they just dropped an update to where the light shift and change autonomously it’s the best ambience ever !! Highly recommend !
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
Well, any kind of colour leds.
@AlecBridges
@AlecBridges 3 года назад
100% agree.
@GDMartin
@GDMartin 3 года назад
@@supersonicsroots yes but this is one of those times where being s snob and getting the name brand I fully endorse to go the not good financial advice route haha the product is lifetime and it really does noticeably sauce harder. I have other brand bulbs as well and there is simply no comparison to the HUE bulbs 🤍🤍🤍
@VinceWhitacre
@VinceWhitacre 2 года назад
I'm a big fan of hybrid work. I mainly include analog outboard pricing because I love the tactile element. FOR ME, getting my hands on those knobs helps with my workflow. Reason #2 is to take a little load off the CPU - ITB saturation processors are finally there. You can make a record in the box today and nobody can tell the difference - if two criteria are met: 1) the engineer and the plugins/DAW are high enough quality, and 2) you have the CPU. Now, I'm happy with the gear I have. Still, if I really wanted to truly match my analog sound, I'd need more power. Maybe that's my skill level too (almost certainly is 😉) but you can push analog gear hard, saturate the hell out of it over the entire range - and no aliasing! Because that's how it works! All that said, I do not spend a lot on outboard gear. I have the Black Lion parametric eq they put out years back that nobody actually bought 🤣 and the ART Pro-VLA optical compressor. Would matched pairs of Pultecs and LA-2As be better? Yeah! For sure! But I'm comfortable with these pieces. They're fine for what I'm doing; and the upgrade, while it would be nice to have, wouldn't be worth the price. Hell, if I could redo my rack from scratch I'd just fill it with the Drawmer tube preamp/comp, EQ, multiband FET comp, and saturator/stereo processor. Those 4 pieces are like $5K new. Total. And I'd be happy, they're outstanding, pro-level (far more pro-level than the engineer, in my case) kit; at very reasonable prices. Mics... man, you can go a long way for a lot less $$ than you used to be able to. I don't care for the peaky Chinese 67 capsule, but it did do one huge thing: it put downward price pressure on the industry overall. You can stock a mic locker with world-class pieces from JZ, Austrian Audio, and Lewitt for... well, a well-stocked locker is still expensive in absolute terms - but relatively? And that's just for companies that are still innovating: Telefunken USA, Lauten Audio - and yeah, Roswell/MicParts - are making traditional (read: German 😂) style mics for a fraction of the price. **edit - wanted to show some love to Fathead and Royer 10 ribbons, too. And one of my favorite mics to fill a gap in the spectrum is this $80 MXL dynamic with a smaller and a larger cartridge you can blend together for whatever frequency range you might need - I doubt I'll ever sing into it, or mic a solo acoustic or anything like that; but it's exactly what I reach for when someone else might reach for a 57. Plugins? Klanghelm makes killer compressors and a saturator... FOR FREE. And their full-featured versions are like $30. Kazrog's True Iron transformer saturator is 30 or 40. Analog Obsession makes free stuff, not to mention Valhalla - you can fill your *virtual* rack for free or cheap, too. All that brings me to: the right room? It's harder to skimp on that. Acoustic treatments? One panel isn't expensive, but it adds up - how much you need depends on the room. You don't need to spend a *lot* on monitoring, but there's definitely a floor: I do most mixing on headphones and use NF monitors (intentionally crappy ones 😉) to check my mix - Beyer 770s and MixCubes. I don't know that you can do it much cheaper than that (and if I had $2K to upgrade, it'd probably go to decent monitors that can fill in the gap, give full-range monitoring in speaker form... BUT monitoring on speakers would necessitate improving my room...) And of course the other thing you can't cheap out on is time. It takes time to learn an instrument, to write songs, to learn the crafts of recording, mixing, mastering... and that's time you could have spent doing literally anything else, unless you're one of us who just HAS to make music.
@scottharris7222
@scottharris7222 3 года назад
Agree completely with pres and convertors, I have a couple of expensive racks here. Like you there is some difference and I have my preferences but it is subtle. If I was starting over I'd put more emphasis on the room, the speakers, headphones and room treatments for sure. Agree completely on the room comfort and the dimmers tip is great. One other important factor for a good space is organized storage space. It isn't sexy but man it makes a difference when you have a place for your tripods, cables etc. Keep it coming.
@scottspaulding7965
@scottspaulding7965 3 года назад
Most underrated....studio treatment. I See so many home set ups with terable rooms. Getting your room reflections taking care of as best you can should be your first priority
@nilsunderseer2157
@nilsunderseer2157 Год назад
While I would rather weight and argue more on usability in some cases than on quality I 100% agree with additional external mic pre amps. Even if we have several diamonds of them here on SAN I always argue regarding the pre recording coloring. It limits your mix flexibility. Lot of it you can do afterwards. But I do not agree with convertes because: Far more important than a pre amp is the mic input quality of your recording device, no matter if it is an analogue one or an audio interface (and there you also should care about the quality of AD/DA, yes). There you can trash your recordings finally before they even get recorded. So put more money in the mic input quality than into external mic preamps if you have to choose. And to blind test AD/DA you should create "summed up" examples. Comparing single shots wouldn't be fair to proove that there are differences. What I mean by that is you will hear differences when you go in and out and in and out again. And you will hear differences when you record an orchestra of 100 people > 100 mics/channels and you sum them up. There you will definitely hear the difference between a good and a bad AD/DA or mic input.
@DarkTrapStudio
@DarkTrapStudio 4 месяца назад
I love Burl sound too
@ThisMichaelBrown
@ThisMichaelBrown 2 года назад
My list of overrated: Summing mixer versus no summing mixer, expensive guitars vs moderate guitars, tube amps versus Kemper, a zillion mic types versus 3 or 4......type of speakers versus learning the decent speakers and room you have. Underrated - music promotion!....ie what to do once you record Sgt Pepper and you cant find ears to hear your music...ha....Thanks for the fun discussion! (ps...thanks for encouraging me to treat room...I have a low C build up that is rattling my brain....I know it is there and I account for it....but that would be a good use of money to make that go away)
@argiletonne
@argiletonne 2 года назад
A good option for this conversation could be the lack of transformer technology in modern music compared to analog gear with transformers. Some SSL popular equipment does not use transformers, neither does the more recently sold Neumann preamp. Computer plugins obviously cannot imbue the flavor of transformers into a mix being a digital emulation of analog gear. A lot of people prefer the modern taste of no transformer over transformer in. Like SSL preferred over Neve style music sound as you may already know. Transformer yes or transformer no, that is the question.
@AMAMMusic-hc4hb
@AMAMMusic-hc4hb 3 года назад
this guy is my favorite narcisst lol.
@donnythompson408
@donnythompson408 2 года назад
I have several external mic preamps, of different types; tube, solid state (both with XFO’s and without) and while I agree that there are sonic differences between them, I wouldn’t consider any of those differences to be “crucial” in terms of making (or breaking) the overall sound of a record. What I find more important with mic preamps, is in their functionality…things like beefy amounts of available gain, or impedance selection/adjustment, both of which can make a very noticeable difference when using ribbon and lower output dynamic mics… Other features, such as having inserts for external processing, multiple outputs for aux/cue sends, XLR, 1/4” instrument DI and balanced Line inputs, are all more important to me than the subtle, esoteric sonic differences between different preamp models. IMO.
@HunterHendricksonMusic
@HunterHendricksonMusic 3 года назад
The one thing that I wonder about with all the preamp/converter double blind talk is about the cumulative effect. From what I’ve seen it’s not about a single track sounding different, it’s about the entire project all having that super subtle touch each track which therefore amounts to something not so subtle at all by the end. Some of those sounds we love are from signals being processed by line amps and what these days is unnecessary analog physical travel of audio around a studio, imparting ‘that’ sound. That being said, I’ve waisted too much time listening and reading about preamps. It’s a good point to bring, especially for artists and producers.
@hethaerto1
@hethaerto1 Год назад
I remember seeing that preamp shootout on some recording forum back in 2005 or so. All the preamps sounded identical to me except for the Great River unit. That one stood out (to me).
@lilshoota19
@lilshoota19 Год назад
Your ear isn't developed enough to know which proves your point 94 percent of people can't hear the difference
@dslabosky
@dslabosky 3 года назад
Underated: Direct boxes. Comfortable Chair. Trackball mouse. Sand clock.
@aristokorat7599
@aristokorat7599 3 года назад
direct box is most likely snake oil
@dslabosky
@dslabosky 3 года назад
@@aristokorat7599 I'm sure you can save some money believing so....
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
Hm.. most interfaces have great hi-z inputs for guitar and bass. I've A-B'd direct hi-z guitar recording and d.i. box, but there was literally no detectable difference between the two.
@aristokorat7599
@aristokorat7599 3 года назад
@@dslabosky i'm not as good as pro builders..but back then i can design discrete amp topology and breadboard only by memory and knowledge..maybe not the best..not even special..direct boxes should be build only with a box,jacks and wires..
@dslabosky
@dslabosky 3 года назад
@@aristokorat7599 As far as I can tell cheese is made only from milk. I guess anyone paying cheese more than the price of milk is buying snakeoil right?
@pmbison73
@pmbison73 3 года назад
The Hardware OVERPRICED studio Boogie man is gonna GET YOU😂🤣😂🤣💯💪
@ractorstudios
@ractorstudios 3 года назад
About pre amps. Everywhere on the internet said you need an analog pre amp for your mic. Then i got slate ...
@RyanHarris77
@RyanHarris77 Год назад
AD/DA converters we’re much more of a big deal about 20-25 years ago when the market was still emerging.
@henryssurfshowcase
@henryssurfshowcase 8 месяцев назад
I was thinking preamps #1 before you said it..
@antcall6779
@antcall6779 3 года назад
Headphone cables! Good headphone/. Cue system with good cables is overlooked too often. Great video as always
@steveclarkowski9637
@steveclarkowski9637 3 года назад
Wow you can really go on and on! Cheers.
@riktascale4
@riktascale4 3 года назад
Makes s lot of sense but for me l would include the monitors (as best as you can afford.)They go hand in hand with the ac. treatment.
@december1064
@december1064 3 года назад
Launchpad is overrated, especially the mini. Too many pads and all jumbled together. They're too small and hard to keep track of which is which laid out 8x8. And the ability to "control Live" with it: useless. I sold mine & got a Korg nanoPAD2: 2 rows of 8 pads, bigger, more spaced out, and they don't push in, they're stiff but soft, much better response. You don't hit several pads at once and you can remember which is which. Plus the lil X-Y finger pad is great. Expensive USB interfaces are overrated: all the $500+ ones with 8 mic inputs dont have a Mix knob! (Blend between the interface inputs and the DAW outputs.) The Behringer UMC1820 for $279 has this, why doesn't the $549 Focusrite or the $529 Presonus? I think Ableton Live 11 Suite is overrated and overpriced. Got mine for $600 (upgrade price + coupon). There are so many things it doesn't do that Reaper can. I mean, just compare the preferences menus: the Live prefs are few, Reaper has pages upon pages of details to fine tune. And zooming in Live is so irritating, having to drag up/down to zoom, which also goes left/right because no mouse is that precise, so trying to zoom into a specific point is so ridiculously hard. You need a XXL mouse pad, too. The only reason I got Live was so many good drums. The graphics are about 20 years old looking, too. Underrated (and overpriced): having fresh stainless steel bass strings. Large, triangle picks made of metal! Wound G strings for guitar are infinitely better and completely solve the G string intonation and ugly ringing noise issues. E-Bow! You can do so much with an E-Bow. Turns a guitar into a completely different instrument, for a relatively low price. Overrated: Boss ME-80 multi-FX: great layout/interface and FX, but sounds very thin & digital. Balanced 1/4" cables: nothing gets rid of that nasty digital computer noise (the sound of the hard drive & processors running that gets into the speakers, gross. Just have to keep reminding yourself that it's not really there and won't be in the rendered track.)
@paulsmith1807
@paulsmith1807 5 месяцев назад
This is a great video - love it. All totally true and yet I'm not going to even look at the disagreement in the comments. Keep up the good work :-) 🙂
@melaninn8581
@melaninn8581 3 года назад
If I may ask, Justin, 1. what type of music have you done most and, 2. What's your preferred genre?
@pdgrecordlabel
@pdgrecordlabel 3 года назад
Hope the AC gets fixed soon brotha xD !! But really keep up the episodes!
@mrflynn01
@mrflynn01 3 года назад
You’re crazy on the micpre!!
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
Nope, most people (99.9% of all listeners) won't hear any difference whatsoever. Máybe you can (may-be) but your audience most certainly not.
@mrflynn01
@mrflynn01 3 года назад
@@supersonicsroots, most ppl know a bad sounding record vs a great sounding record.
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
@@mrflynn01 yes maybe, but not the difference between a 300 or 3000 interface. Or even interface preamps and Neve preamps. No listener will ever hear that subtle difference, heck.. in a blind test not even most engineers will hear it. There's even very little difference these days in a 300 dollar Røde condenser or the "real thing" like a U47. In a full mix, these differences are negligible. It will save you some mixing time maybe. Our first 2 albums were recorded with great pre-amps and higher-end mics like WA-47's. The last one is being recorded with a Presonus interface, Røde microphones... no one can hear a difference. It's all about the musicianship, the songs and the mix / master. Not the gear.
@mrflynn01
@mrflynn01 3 года назад
@@supersonicsroots, I respectfully disagree with you.
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
@@mrflynn01 You may, sir.
@HR2635
@HR2635 3 года назад
Most underrated: trying out different mics.. even cheap ones. Price does NOT mean better in every situation :-).. and many techs just put the mics on the session that they always use.. NEVER stop trying different mics. Example: SM57 is great on snare drums.. sure.. are there other choices that with some drummers, and some snare drums will do a better job?.. YES
@chrisjordan8789
@chrisjordan8789 3 года назад
I will certainly not flag you about the mike preamp, but i have to tell that the way I use them, they DO have their reason to exist. I drive them pretty hot, and then i attenuate the output to an amount where my AD/DA interface will not clip, but still get the girth of the analog compression and subtle distrortion that comes across with a good mike pre.
@DanielSilvestriProd
@DanielSilvestriProd 2 года назад
Don’t light dimmers (and neon) cause EMI and overall noise in electric guitars? Maybe that’s not a great advice for guitar people, I agree with all the rest tho
@SonicScoop
@SonicScoop 2 года назад
You will want to get transformed isolated dimmers! Or use Phillips Hie bulbs. That alleviates this issue. But yes. It’s something to be aware of! -Justin
@g.o.9513
@g.o.9513 Год назад
Hi @SonicScoop, will a Kayotica Eyeball improve the “room” of the microphone?
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 3 года назад
id really like to see an experiment where we play a regular person a song recorded on all behringer gear, and then the same song recorded at abbey road but it's 5db quieter and see what people prefer. probs the same outcome if you subtract a few db off a high shelf of the abbey road one too. the human ear is so easily hackable
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 Год назад
Why "go for it" @Abbey Road if you're just going to handicap the outcome? If a mix is balanced and not distorting noticeably, then louder is always going to sound better, especially with such a massive difference of 5 dB.
@simon_patterson
@simon_patterson 3 года назад
2:02 the first item
@fabianvasquezjr8852
@fabianvasquezjr8852 3 года назад
Coming from Behringer eurodesk preamps to Presonus xamps in their digital mixers was an eye opener or should I say ear opener big difference! As my studio grew and I got better gear did I fuck up and waste my cash?!?? I got a Chameleon Labs 7603 Xmod the latest acquisition does it make a difference? Does made in the USA parts and construction and UK Charnhill input/output transformers make a difference did I waste my $$? Well yes to my ears yes it makes a difference coming from what I was using It does to me I blind tested lots of gear and don't just buy shit to look cool in my racks lots of reasearch goes into those purchases that may be nothing to the financially set but not to the average joe that has to put food on the table.
@AdventureswithJack453
@AdventureswithJack453 3 года назад
Hey Justin, great video and while I agree with you on your list unfortunately the real world sees things differently. As I see it in order to survive in the world of pro studios most of us are not working with top name talent. We are working with the wana bees. Or the artist that is releasing on sound cloud etc. Most of these musicians have no real idea about what it takes to record a top quality track. When they hire a studio they look at 2 things, the hourly price and the equipment list. And that equipment list needs to be long. If they come to visit the studio before they book, they want to see a wall of blinking lights. Rack after rack of outboard equipment. Granted, we can do most everything in the box now days but these people don't know that. That wall of equipment will keep you busy. 2 studios side by side, same rates. One using just a DAW and plugins. Studio 2 has all of the equipment as studio 1 plus a wall full of outboard gear. Studio 2 will get the gig most every time. This is true even if studio 1 produces a better product. You may not realize it but when you traveled around with that rack of gear. You impressed a ton of people. Having said all of that, your list of under rated items was spot on.
@NatureSleepSerenity
@NatureSleepSerenity 2 года назад
You are spot on with this. It really depends if you are making music for yourself or have a studio for hire by clients. In those instances, some things we know don't make as big of a difference in the end result and sound (wall of mic pre's), can go a long way as to who books the studio. I would say that inexperienced people would look at 3 things when booking a studio: 1- hourly price, 2-equipment list (I include the physical space in this), 3-portfolio/examples. I've seen quite a few studios that are decked out, and the sound samples are pretty dreadful.
@dimoscondos
@dimoscondos Месяц назад
The “3D” sound you-get from Neve , API… You will never get from any interface, plus if you own a commercial business , that’s what people pay for. Equipment they can’t own.
@SonicScoop
@SonicScoop Месяц назад
I’m not so sure. If your studio is only selling that it has gear, you’re a dime a dozen. If your studio sells outcomes, and a great track record of them, you may have a real business on your hands! That said, sure, as you progress, having some prestige pieces is an outward sign of potential credibility. …But it is one which is easily purchased. I’ve seen countless studios with all the “right gear” sit empty and then go out of business. But that’s what they are: Prestige items. They are nice to have, but they aren’t necessary for great results, and they aren’t enough to get them. Don’t confuse the trappings of success with what it takes to become successful. This is not to say they don’t make any difference in sound. Some can. It’s just that the difference me that they make are among the smallest in the studio, not the largest, and are not where you should focus your energies first.
@donnydarko7624
@donnydarko7624 7 месяцев назад
Computer Ram and processing power with your computer
@bwithrow011
@bwithrow011 3 года назад
Hey Justin. Just found you. Just subscribed. Looking forward to more videos like this one 👍
@marcushawkinsmusic
@marcushawkinsmusic 3 года назад
Just stopped me from getting another preamp!!! Morning hawk
@dirkchurlish4074
@dirkchurlish4074 3 года назад
Ooh, which preamp were you wanting? :)
@marcushawkinsmusic
@marcushawkinsmusic 3 года назад
@@dirkchurlish4074 I was looking into something really clean like the Grace and something colored like the 1073. I sing, rap and record real instruments. I'm currently using the apogee element and the UA 710.
@OKvalosound
@OKvalosound 2 года назад
Very good video and totally on the point. Preamps are amplifiers and they supposed to make signals louder. That is their main job - surprise. If anybody shows another anybody a new song on streaming service it wouldn't be possible to tell which preamps where used.
@gfromshankside
@gfromshankside Год назад
Sir... What is this "de-noiser" of which you speak?
@SonicScoop
@SonicScoop Год назад
Something like iZotope RX or similar. -Justin
@ignacedhont9816
@ignacedhont9816 3 года назад
Spot on with the pre amps..
@HaHaHaHope
@HaHaHaHope 2 года назад
Well, as far as mic pre’s go, just ask Elliott Randal how his solo would have come out were it not for the NEVE. I can tell you first hand if I were to overdrive my Trident 80B like they did on his solo it would have been unusable the Trident compared to a Neve is a big difference when it comes to their mic pre’s. The Trident is ok but nowhere on the level of a Neve or SSL.
@kalendmusic356
@kalendmusic356 3 года назад
Those Lynn Fuston comparison CDs were great.
@donnydarko7624
@donnydarko7624 7 месяцев назад
Ppl who have done ear training are going to going to be more likely to be able to tell the difference with mic pre's than a person who is just starting out so why would someone need them when first stating out?
@demonicsweaters
@demonicsweaters Год назад
so many people are just fooled by name brand snobery. Great for the company, bad for the customer.
@EDAPE
@EDAPE 3 года назад
My two cents. 1. It's hard to talk about mic pres in a general way. It's about the chain. The source that's in front of you and the mics and pres available. You may not have a selection of pres thst have different enough character to decern. The charecter and fequency profile of your source may translate well on many things... or not. You might want to use a ribbon mic in witch case preamp choice is a much bigger deal. So..The subtle difference in pres can become far less subtle on a particular sorce... but, however subtle, you certainly want what sounds better and it's certainly not a small thing bc....point number 2... Subtle difference plus subtle difference plus subtle difference ect. equals big difference. Like folks who design high output engines. It's 1 percent here plus 2 percent there and so on that gets you a 12 percent acceleration boost. In a bubble, a subtle differnce on 1 sorce doesn't make or brake the song, but how about a subtle difference on every sorce? 50 plus sorces?We get to a point where we're ringing out subtle differences at every point in the process to gain a big decernible difference when the records done. To conclude... none of these things are over rated. What individuals need to decide is.. at what price point do the benifits of each of things make sense. And that depends on your work flow and your goals and whatever else.
@brucehathcockmusic
@brucehathcockmusic 3 года назад
Suttle differences make all the difference in any sport and the competition atmosphere in this business runs a close race so get any edge you can. So get the pre amp if you can.
@catarinomedina9557
@catarinomedina9557 Год назад
I used a cheap focus rite recently and the expense was horrible a great needs a great mic pre and great converters..the cheap sounds cheap..something I cannot get out of it ....I tried them all ...I go burl with neve summing all day external gear with plugins ...great room with focal trio 11
@user-ob9zo9cr4c
@user-ob9zo9cr4c 3 года назад
can I actually just base on computer with good audiointerface and make it 100% right?
@emilyballhouse
@emilyballhouse 3 года назад
Also overrated piece of equipment: Kaotica Eyeball. I’m better off with my blankets shoved into the ceiling in my basement 😂
@OZKitchen
@OZKitchen 3 года назад
Those things destroy the sound
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
True. You're even better off tracking vocals within a sleeping bag.
@morbidmanmusic
@morbidmanmusic 3 года назад
Until a fire happens...
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
@@morbidmanmusic then all is to shit anyway 🤷‍♂️ (to be clear, my room is acoustically treated)
@wickstorm_records
@wickstorm_records 3 года назад
”Sponsored by Focusrite Shitlett”
@eyeque7
@eyeque7 10 месяцев назад
My greatest instrument - the mouse.
@johnthecreative
@johnthecreative 3 года назад
if you dont drive the preamp enough it wont sound much different. that's the key. sometimes you want transparency though. with 8-16 tracks on a vintage Neve it's more colored than on an SSL. in solo the individual tracks might sound pretty close.
@johnthecreative
@johnthecreative 3 года назад
I think I get the gist of your point. If you have a budget, put it where you get the most bang for our buck. I can't disagree with that logic
@pongmaster123
@pongmaster123 3 года назад
ONLY the preamp matters
@soisaid9004
@soisaid9004 2 года назад
Solid points…
@RocknRollkat
@RocknRollkat Год назад
The most important piece of gear in my room ? My ears. Start at the BEGINNING. Learn how to record with one mic., one MONO tape recorder, one basement. Train your EARS. You will NOT need 99% of this studio 'gear'. Learn how to record music, not FIX music. Imagine that.
@RichRobinson
@RichRobinson Год назад
I disagree on preamps. They make a big difference when everything else is decent. Of course they aren’t the most important part of the chain.
@SonicScoop
@SonicScoop Год назад
I agree with all of that except maybe the word “big”. Based on this you might like yesterday’s episode with Joel Wanasek! -Justin
@RocknRollkat
@RocknRollkat Год назад
Hi Scoop, Overrated gear ? That huge SSL 9000 in the main room ! If that's what you think you need to make a good recording, you might want to reassess your capabilities. The big studios have this gear to attract big name talent. As you point out, far better records were made with far less gear. Underrated gear ? A properly tuned (NOT 'dead') room and excellent LARGE monitors. You can't reproduce 30 Hz. with 8" monitors.
@ElectromagneDikk
@ElectromagneDikk 3 года назад
When it comes to analog to digital conversion there's definitely a whole realm of different possibilities and you can definitely hear the difference but when it comes to digital to analog conversion, it is a fact that pretty much every home stereo and every laptop and every cell phone and every MP3 player and so on and so forth down the line of things that create sound that have a digital memory Bank in them all have the exact same Samsung chip in them or the same Taisco chip in them, and the funny part about that is that 90% of all of those products have those two chips and those two chips really aren't even different from each other.
@crayola2288
@crayola2288 3 года назад
I'd say most overrated would be outboard gear (compressors, Eqs, limiters, etc.) Most underrated would probably be Monitors, computer and chair.
@alexptvz1076
@alexptvz1076 2 года назад
I don't agree about preamps. Just try to record through your built-in preamp and outboard preamp, obviously you will hear not a subtle difference
@SonicScoop
@SonicScoop 2 года назад
Try some proper level matched double blind listening tests. You might be surprised. I find that almost everyone who makes this kind of comment hasn’t done so. I can hear differences between some preamps under double blind conditions, but even I have to admit that they are almost always very subtle, especially when compared to things like microphones and speakers. Hope that makes sense, -Justin
@chriszichriszable
@chriszichriszable Год назад
Googled "whataboutism" and landed here.
@chike1866
@chike1866 3 года назад
Funny that the only gear apart from the essentials that I have in my studio is a mic preamp. I have the dbx 286s and I got it to solve a specific problem. It helps me filter low level noise, helps with tonal flavour of the mic so I don't have to always switch mics for different vocals. Also use the deesser. I find that it helps me get better recordings on vocals particularly and reduces the time I spend trying to fix harsh or noisy recordings.
@supersonicsroots
@supersonicsroots 3 года назад
Yes, but then again the 268 is not only just a pre-amp. You're using the effects and EQ. You can do that in post, and even better and more specific. The actual pre-amp itself is not necessary.
@robertfontaine3650
@robertfontaine3650 2 года назад
The best preamp should do nothing to the sound. Any preamp that modifies the sound is adding distortion.
@jdrum4371
@jdrum4371 3 года назад
I had warm audio 312 api knock off and isa428. Then i got all neve 1073 and my recording took a big step forward. Its not about 1 pre amp. Its how they stack after 24 tracks.
@mudi2000a
@mudi2000a 3 года назад
I think many of this comes from past times where there was actual bad gear on the market. Nowadays even budget gear is not really bad. Of course there is a difference to high end gear but it’s not as high as it used to be.
@patovega
@patovega 3 года назад
mic position is more important than the preamp too
@ibanez777vbk
@ibanez777vbk 3 года назад
As a 80s lover guitarist,i love rack gear,best gear is dytronics tri stereo chorus+digitech gsp 2101 overated is anything by ART i had a sgx express pre amp i thought it was utter crap
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