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MLB's steroid era has become one of its most commonly romanticized. So, who were its best players that have been left behind in its legacy?
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@anewt72690
@anewt72690 6 месяцев назад
Mike Cameron apologized to me for not signing my hat when I was a kid. Dude had to go do fielding drills when I was next in line. That "Sorry bro, I gotta run!" while pointing at me as if to say "I got you" (all while jogging backwards) is, oddly, one of my favorite baseball memories.
@user-cv8qe9ru8c
@user-cv8qe9ru8c 6 месяцев назад
That's really cool. Hope u still have the hat autograph or not. Love from NH bro.
@DonkeyDong69
@DonkeyDong69 6 месяцев назад
@@user-cv8qe9ru8c His story is literally about how he didn't get an autograph
@user-os8up4pc7s
@user-os8up4pc7s 6 месяцев назад
We loved him as a Brewer in Milwaukee
@jakematheson4
@jakematheson4 5 месяцев назад
I have so many random fond memories of Mike Cameron. I was like passionately committed to him as a kid. He’s the best.
@getschwifty9531
@getschwifty9531 5 месяцев назад
It was genuine, pal. Mike Cameron is a G for being a legit CF Gold Glover that has a 4 HR game.
@um52
@um52 Месяц назад
Omar vizquel won 11 gold gloves from 1993-2001, 2005-06, 3x all star with 2800+ hits. Most underrated player I ever saw. Defensive enforcer
@clevelandcbi
@clevelandcbi 27 дней назад
Agreed.
@todd4317
@todd4317 4 месяца назад
Jim Edmonds hit almost 400 home runs with a .280 average, won a handful of Gold Gloves and made perhaps the finest catch ever recorded in baseball.
@jaycepero8069
@jaycepero8069 3 месяца назад
He also had a career .900 OPS.
@mattburgess9312
@mattburgess9312 3 месяца назад
This video was about Zero votes. Not snubs.Jim got votes.
@Elite59
@Elite59 3 месяца назад
Jim had two handfuls of Gold Gloves (8), .504 slugging % and a 60.4 WAR. .903 career OPS, 393 HRs Yet he did not get any serious consideration for the HOF.
@1neOfN0ne
@1neOfN0ne 2 месяца назад
I will never forget watching the highlight of that catch for the first time on SportsCenter. It was the morning after the game, just before school and it was number 1 on the Top 10. That catch was a really big deal when it happened. Might be the first time I've ever seen a baseball player do something that I never thought possible
@BrandonGavin_EDC
@BrandonGavin_EDC 2 месяца назад
He was such a great player.
@captgeesh5163
@captgeesh5163 6 месяцев назад
Paul Konerko didn't make it out of the first voting and he has 440 home runs. Hall of the very good.
@mattburgess9312
@mattburgess9312 3 месяца назад
This video was about Zero votes. Paul got votes
@Elite59
@Elite59 28 дней назад
How many Gold Gloves did Konerko have?
@billybaugus1249
@billybaugus1249 23 дня назад
He should be in. Like Edmonds and A. Jones and that list could go on
@nattydesignstudio5102
@nattydesignstudio5102 20 дней назад
@@billybaugus1249 No. The HOF is alreayd tainted by players getting backdoor elected by the Veterans Committee. Marginal players should not be getting in.
@billybaugus1249
@billybaugus1249 20 дней назад
@@nattydesignstudio5102 i didn't name any marginal players
@TheoBresnahan-vk4wp
@TheoBresnahan-vk4wp 6 месяцев назад
Don’t forget Aramis Ramírez who hit 380 homers and 2300 hits in his career
@getschwifty9531
@getschwifty9531 5 месяцев назад
Clutch Cubby Thank you, Pittsburgh
@michaelnavarra6360
@michaelnavarra6360 5 месяцев назад
ARam is better than every guy in this video.
@nobeardthepirate9172
@nobeardthepirate9172 5 месяцев назад
​@@michaelnavarra6360and some HOFers
@ericschultz6539
@ericschultz6539 4 месяца назад
Shawn Green is another one for this list.
@littlelogan
@littlelogan 3 месяца назад
One of my favorite cubbies.
@niremetal
@niremetal 5 месяцев назад
He was pre-steroid era but...Dale Murphy, man. 398 career homers, back-to-back MVPs, one of the best defensive outfielders of his era. But by the time he got on the ballot in '99, 398 homers all of a sudden seemed like chump change. He and Roger Maris are the only non-cheaters with multiple MVP awards not in the Hall.
@mikepastor.k6233
@mikepastor.k6233 5 месяцев назад
Murphy was strange in that he had as good a #'s as anybody for about a 5 year stretch but hit a wall around age 28 when he couldn't catch up with high hard fastballs and pitchers just wore him out. There was no reason for it for he was notoriously straight laced and never drank or used drugs and in great shape and was a good model citizen.
@sea4our
@sea4our 6 месяцев назад
Genuinely appreciate content like this. There’s so many guys I look back on or “forgot about” that could make up a legendary roster themselves. As soon as I saw Troy Glaus, I knew I needed to sit down and watch.
@benchwarmerss9165
@benchwarmerss9165 6 месяцев назад
Yeah like ray Durham and lankford 😂😂 both very skilled though
@pray4us955
@pray4us955 6 месяцев назад
I remember when the Braves signed him and I was so stoked. He played one year in Atlanta. He was only 33. That was his last year in MLB. And I forget he played in Atlanta until I see his name brought up. Fucking Troy Glaus
@paulsimovich9157
@paulsimovich9157 6 месяцев назад
Best Angel third- baseman of ALL Time!... not even close...how we let him get away , was a joke on the front office!
@russellguercio3904
@russellguercio3904 2 месяца назад
Carney Lansford.@@paulsimovich9157
@mattstefon4878
@mattstefon4878 5 месяцев назад
Beckett was one of the finest postseason pitchers ever, and that should really count for something.
@unkledoda420
@unkledoda420 29 дней назад
He gets recognized for his post season performance. What, are you saying he should get in the HOF because of it? Cuz that's ridiculous.
@RememberTheGreatsSports
@RememberTheGreatsSports 6 месяцев назад
I think the most overlooked is Johnny Damon to be honest. Dude has a ton of hits and played on two World Series champs, all while doing a lot of great seasons in all else Kansas City. As for Lankford I think he was on the juice too, his teammates all were.....
@sludge8506
@sludge8506 10 дней назад
235 home runs, .284 batting average, playing his entire career during the Steroid Era. Two all star teams. I don’t think so, champ. 🤦🏻‍♂️
@ripharambe4796
@ripharambe4796 6 месяцев назад
carlos zambrano destroying things with a bat was always fun
@thomasguglielmo1509
@thomasguglielmo1509 6 месяцев назад
He walked so Chris sale could break tvs
@DrAnarchy69
@DrAnarchy69 6 месяцев назад
Not for the stadium custodial staff 😟
@robbiearroyo2292
@robbiearroyo2292 6 месяцев назад
​@DrAnarchy69 or dugout Gatorade tanks :( I did always thought he was hilarious in his way though.
@getschwifty9531
@getschwifty9531 5 месяцев назад
​@@thomasguglielmo1509Drake LaRoche dislikes your comment.
@cheeseburger12
@cheeseburger12 2 месяца назад
@@robbiearroyo2292 Or Michael Barret.
@DonTrump-sv1si
@DonTrump-sv1si 5 месяцев назад
Griffey had 99.3% vote for HOF. I just want to know who the .7% were that didnt vote for him
@kristopherjames1742
@kristopherjames1742 5 месяцев назад
One person who felt like nobody should have a 100% so they voted for someone else just to accomplish that.
@CharlesFlo305
@CharlesFlo305 13 дней назад
A Yankee fan for sure
@jamesesterline
@jamesesterline 6 месяцев назад
Jason Kendall also deserves a mention. He had 9 seasons of 10+ stolen bases as a catcher and leads the position in career stolen bases with 189, is 5th all-time on the hit-by-pitch leaderboard, is one of only 8 catchers with 2,000+ hits (and is behind only Ivan Rodriguez for the most hits at the position), was great defensively having put up nearly 14 dWAR, and made 3 All-Star appearances, but he never won a major award, not even a Gold Glove or Silver Slugger since he was overshadowed at the position in the NL by Mike Piazza for hitting and Charles Johnson for fielding in the late 90s-early 2000s (in fact the only time he recieved votes was when he finished 3rd in 1995 NL ROTY voting), and he only received two votes on the 2016 ballot.
@thomasguglielmo1509
@thomasguglielmo1509 6 месяцев назад
I wasn't a fan of any of his teams but bro literally was so above average offensively, he might not be putting up all them dingers but like you said he could steal and he usually had a high average at least for catchers standards
@Dontdoittoyoself
@Dontdoittoyoself 6 месяцев назад
Never wanted CC Sabathia to leave Milwaukee because of Jason Kendall. People overlook how well someone works with pitchers.
@mpaulm
@mpaulm 6 месяцев назад
My favorite catcher aside from Molina!👍
@decker528
@decker528 6 месяцев назад
If he'd played his entire career with the Yankees, he would probably be a hall of famer😅
@TheOGSticks11
@TheOGSticks11 6 месяцев назад
I wanted you to be wrong because I was thinking of terrible Pirates teams, but, his BR page shed light on him. A couple more years and he has 2,500 hits, 200 steals, 400 doubles, and a near .300 average. Pretty fucking good for a backstop.
@michaelmason7684
@michaelmason7684 6 месяцев назад
dude this is crazy but i’m in the photo of mike cameron signing autographs. i’ve never seen that photo before but the second it popped up i recognized myself and my childhood best friend. WILD
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 6 месяцев назад
very cool !
@DonTrump-sv1si
@DonTrump-sv1si 5 месяцев назад
Can I get your autograph?
@carl4291
@carl4291 3 месяца назад
The red head with the sun glasses?
@JamesSkools
@JamesSkools 6 месяцев назад
Rafael furcal has to be one of my favorite players of all time. His arm was INSANE!. Bullets to 1st base. Probably could have been a pitcher. Problem was injuries. Solid video here!
@areoinstylz
@areoinstylz 5 месяцев назад
1st player i got to see steal home.....absolutely loved his rookie year but that arm was special for sure 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@MH3GL
@MH3GL 5 месяцев назад
Played hard. Fun to watch. Made the game interesting. Miss seeing guys like him.
@kyheel6108
@kyheel6108 3 месяца назад
He would get doubles and triples off bunts. Crazy speed and arm strength
@1972mrkleen
@1972mrkleen 2 месяца назад
5 tool player for sure. Threw smoke to first base but aim was a little sketchy sometimes
@nextgencowboy
@nextgencowboy 5 месяцев назад
I am legitimately shocked Becket got ao little respect, his 6 year peak run from 05 with the Marlins through 2011 with Boston, he was 99-55, with over 1000 ks, and 5-1 in the playoffs. He also carried the sox in 07, going 20-7, although he lost the CYA to Sabathia.
@nigelroxbury
@nigelroxbury 6 месяцев назад
Alphonso Soriano. 7x all-star, 4x silver-slugger, 40-40 club, 412 homers.
@SSJRadioBluth
@SSJRadioBluth 6 месяцев назад
He got one vote.
@yankees29
@yankees29 6 месяцев назад
Almost 50/50 pretty darn close one year
@axelagosto5196
@axelagosto5196 6 месяцев назад
And horrible defense
@josephabrams4059
@josephabrams4059 6 месяцев назад
I was gonna say him too
@erickennedy8534
@erickennedy8534 6 месяцев назад
Soriano get a better look in veterans committee down the road.
@alexvoigt9204
@alexvoigt9204 6 месяцев назад
Not sure if you mentioned him in a different video, but Jermaine Dye probably deserves a shout out as well: Averaged 27 homers and 91 RBIs for a solid decade on .280/.345/.506 splits, bashed 30+ homers on 4 different occasions and even logged a Top 5 MVP season in ‘06. Dude was legit.
@JT-wn7wb
@JT-wn7wb 6 месяцев назад
no doubt great player!! consistent numbers!.
@GeeEm1313
@GeeEm1313 6 месяцев назад
I wanted the Orioles to sign him before the White Sox gobbled him up in the FA Market.
@johnnymoondog9474
@johnnymoondog9474 6 месяцев назад
The image of his leg breaking on a foul tip lives rent free in my head to this day.
@whitedeion598
@whitedeion598 6 месяцев назад
Dye was a casualty of McGriff wanting to stay in Atlanta. The braves offered him a lowball salary never expecting him to take it. The plan was to move klesko to first base. Since mcgriff accepted the deal, dye was buried behind grissom, klesko, Justice, and Andruw Jones. The braves would trade justice and grissom for Lofton and trade Dye to KC for bench players.
@alexvoigt9204
@alexvoigt9204 6 месяцев назад
@@whitedeion598 if I recall correctly, he got his first shot as a rookie filling in for Justice in ‘96 after Justice went down with a dislocated shoulder and did at least a serviceable job with it. You are correct though that the Braves were loaded with outfield talent back, plus they just kept luring in marquee players via trade or free agency (Lofton, Galaragga, Brian Jordan, etc). It’s actually kind of insane they only won 1 World Series in that era.
@tiedomi80
@tiedomi80 6 месяцев назад
I feel Carlos Delgado doesn't get enough love. He at least got some votes though.
@joel8692
@joel8692 6 месяцев назад
Yup I think he should definitely be in
@jamessansone3455
@jamessansone3455 2 месяца назад
That man hated the Yankees
@Phoenix-pm2qr
@Phoenix-pm2qr 2 месяца назад
He was very good
@jamessansone3455
@jamessansone3455 2 месяца назад
@@Phoenix-pm2qr Don Mattingly also
@dylancontento2267
@dylancontento2267 6 месяцев назад
Props for The Strokes in the background. Also for shedding some light on my guy Reggie Sanders. He was a lone bright spot on an awful Pirates club. Glad to see him and these other guys from my childhood get some recognition. Great video
@ohsoedgy6888
@ohsoedgy6888 6 месяцев назад
Jake Peavy won a pitching Triple Crown and he didn’t receive a Hall of Fame vote!
@StarkRavingSports
@StarkRavingSports 6 месяцев назад
he’s in the video from last year that got mentioned at the beginning
@getschwifty9531
@getschwifty9531 5 месяцев назад
Man, he carried those Padres teams hard. No wonder he mangled his rotator cuff.
@unkledoda420
@unkledoda420 29 дней назад
He didn't get votes because his peak was so short. He was good from like '04-'08, that's it. You typically need more than like 5 impressive seasons to get real HOF consideration.
@tastyneck
@tastyneck 6 месяцев назад
Wow, this vid is such a nostalgia hit. So cool to see these players again. Also, pretty hilarious that several of these guys were on the Padres. I wonder if Steve Finley qualifies for a vid, like this.
@nestormarrero538
@nestormarrero538 6 месяцев назад
Looking back at the 2001 Diamondbacks team is crazy that they were the underdogs to win it all. That team was stacked by this kind of players. Look into it
@alwillk
@alwillk 5 месяцев назад
Underdogs in the World Series maybe, but they had the second best record in the NL.
@outwest100az
@outwest100az 6 месяцев назад
Funny how you had Giles in this video as I am going thru my card collection and have 3 different mint 9 and one 10 rookie cards of him. He was like a copy of my all time favorite player Howard Johnson and a mention to another player Ron Gant. I really enjoyed this and thx for the memories. Have a great holiday season.
@BBall0027
@BBall0027 6 месяцев назад
As a Braves fan, I appreciate the love for a lot of Braves from the era I first remember watching (I was born in 1995 so my earliest memories were of the early-to-mid-2000's teams). Also, as a Braves fan, I can't ignore the fact that, even though he was too injury-prone and inconsistent to be eligible, that Brian Giles's brother Marcus was always one of my favorites as a kid and it's good to see that he's turned out better in the long run.
@ElevateThatMeal
@ElevateThatMeal 6 месяцев назад
Great pull with Lankford. I watched him play as a kid and loved the guy. Big lefty wearing my favorite number. Glad he made the StL HOF and we get to see him with a red jacket every year. Awesome that you gave him mention because he was definitely a fan favorite!
@boogitybear2283
@boogitybear2283 5 месяцев назад
Ray Lankford was one of my favorite Cardinal Icons! He was lethal as a hitter if he didn’t strike out!!
@SylviusTheMad
@SylviusTheMad 5 месяцев назад
Mike Cameron's 4 homerun game for Seattle was amazing. Dude went back-to-back with Bret Boone TWICE in the SAME INNING.
@DonTrump-sv1si
@DonTrump-sv1si 3 месяца назад
Crazy. I miss those years
@mm6461
@mm6461 3 месяца назад
Boone did roids
@DonTrump-sv1si
@DonTrump-sv1si 3 месяца назад
@@mm6461 Totally. When I was growing up in the 80s your second baseman was a great infielder and you were lucky if he hit above.270. Then all of a sudden, in the 90s, you had guys like Boone hitting.330 with Popeye forearms, blast 30+ homeruns
@jonathanwashington9199
@jonathanwashington9199 28 дней назад
And Mike Cameron Now Has An Signature Card In MLB 24 The Show Now That's Ironic In Itself Looks Like Cameron Is Getting His Respect
@auskip07
@auskip07 6 месяцев назад
thanks for the trip down memory lane, as a kid who religiously watched the braves and baseball in general from 95- 2006 all these guys were something to see (even Brian Giles) on the diamond. Furcal had an amazing arm Andres Galarraga 1st base (Nicknamed Big Cat) had a plastic protector installed in his glove to handle the heat from furcal. Ryan Klesko had always flown under the radar. I dont remember much about Beckett. Glaus rookie card surged when it came out and was a very solid 3rd /1st baseman. I hated when the braves played Ray Durham that guy was a tough out. JD drew had all the clout and talent but he was just always hurt and wasnt willing to play hurt. I think at one point he turned down signing with the phillies and they threw batteries at him on the field when he visited with the cardinals.
@jasonmgomez
@jasonmgomez 5 месяцев назад
Ron Gant and Doug Drabek were both from my hometown and should have gotten at least a single vote....Gant played for 16 years with Atl and StL, hit over 300 HRs and went to multiple WS. Drabek, a Pirate, won a Cy Young and had a 22 win season. Both had a career WAR above 30.0
@mariohnyc
@mariohnyc 6 месяцев назад
I always liked Cameron, he was a great player for the Mets. That collision he had in the outfield with Beltran was tough to watch, glad they were both able to recover and continue their respective careers.
@nickkaufmann6554
@nickkaufmann6554 6 месяцев назад
As a cardinals fan I love the representation of 2 solid but under loved redbirds both those guys were so fundamental to many playoff runs I hope furcal is enjoying his travel days!
@brianlesley4099
@brianlesley4099 6 месяцев назад
Love this video. I remember all these players growing up in the late 90s and early 00s
@southernvoltageelectricser437
@southernvoltageelectricser437 27 дней назад
Great video. Well thought out and you showed your work. I’m gonna subscribe
@OH_MY_DOGGG
@OH_MY_DOGGG 6 месяцев назад
Klesko definitely took me by surprise because I just thought he was perfect on the Braves and unable to replicate
@morimo11
@morimo11 6 месяцев назад
What a great player selection. Fun video.
@user-yt6rb4lp6j
@user-yt6rb4lp6j 6 месяцев назад
Awesome video! Ray Lankford was the star for the cards in the early 90s when I was growing up!! I always had the number 16 on my jersey!! I was at the game in 1991 when he hit for the cycle!! Plus Brett Hull was the number 16!!
@dpennington19
@dpennington19 6 месяцев назад
Awesome video! Definitely had multiple "oh shit I remember that guy, he was pretty good" moments. I'm a Sox fan and remember Josh Beckett's time with the team. I think his attitude in Boston sank him and ruined his relationship with the media. The "chicken and beer" flop down the stretch in 2011 was all anyone was talking about here that year. And he was CONSTANTLY ridiculed by the local media for his perceived lack of work ethic. His matter-of-fact, apathetic attitude he took with them didn't help either. He gained a reputation for being lazy and a bad clubhouse guy here, I wonder if that followed him into retirement and ultimately onto the HOF ballot.
@commbruce
@commbruce 6 месяцев назад
I literally clicked on the video hoping Mike Cameron would be here. Then I screamed ‘that’s my boy!” When you brought him up.
@dereksupernaut
@dereksupernaut 6 месяцев назад
Josh Beckett in playoffs... 93ING, 3.07ERA, excellent4.7K/W... in '03 Shut Out Cubs with Marlins down 3-1 in elimination game, THEN threw 4 ING of relief in game 7, THEN won World Series MVP with Game 6 legendary performance at Yankee Stadium... in Game 6 Beckett opens with 2 inside fastballs to dead fastball hitter Derek Jeter even though Jeter nailed the first pitch just foul down the 3rd base line, i'm not sure how many MLB have the balls to throw a 2nd fastball inside knowing Jeter probably is not expecting it but could hit a HR if things go wrong... in '05 i sat behind home plate and it looked like Beckett's curveball went Shoulders-to-Shins when he wasn't throwing 98mph fastballs at 6 foot 5 inches... fax!!!
@bradfordpalmer2795
@bradfordpalmer2795 5 месяцев назад
Not exactly sure what the voters were looking for but I think Beckett should at least should have gotten a few votes
@patrickcarrillo714
@patrickcarrillo714 Месяц назад
6:31 this man is beloved in Anaheim an absolute legend to Angels fans The 2002 World Series MVP and probably the greatest hit in franchise history with his double in Game 6 of the 2002 World Series to complete the greatest comeback in World Series history being down 0-5 to 6-5 winning the Game 6 forcing Game 7
@silentiumm2677
@silentiumm2677 6 месяцев назад
I started watching baseball in 2003 and playing All-Star Baseball and MVP baseball around 2004 and this vid just took me back to my childhood lol. Miss guys like Ryan Klesko and Troy Glaus.
@sluglow6357
@sluglow6357 6 месяцев назад
Ray Lankford for some reason is a guy I always remember from that era lol Reggie sanders too,I love this list ,that era was def my favorite era of baseball steroids or not it was pure theater from bonds ,Sosa,Maguire to Yankees vs Red Sox in the playoffs there was always something
@billysikes1374
@billysikes1374 6 месяцев назад
They had the sweetest looking rookie cards, Especially Lankford
@stephen9281
@stephen9281 6 месяцев назад
Furcal was one of the first guys to catch my eye as a kid. I was a fan when he was a Brave, happy for him when he won the world series, and even saw him play in Miami.
@jasonwilliams5550
@jasonwilliams5550 5 месяцев назад
i remember him hitting a bunt double, never seen that b4
@dylancontento2267
@dylancontento2267 6 месяцев назад
Props for The Strokes in the background. Cool video as always too!
@darudy
@darudy 6 месяцев назад
Great video as always
@foramoreperfectamerica8490
@foramoreperfectamerica8490 6 месяцев назад
It's Troy Glaus isn't it?
@RM-TheOctoroon
@RM-TheOctoroon 3 месяца назад
He retired at only 33 too.
@IAMYAMAMA
@IAMYAMAMA 6 месяцев назад
That marlins ws winning play call was so bland lol dude sounded like he lost a bet
@Toblehrone
@Toblehrone 6 месяцев назад
welcome to 2000s era joe buck
@SteamboatMack
@SteamboatMack 6 месяцев назад
Really great video. Love it
@cobly6873
@cobly6873 6 месяцев назад
Love the use of strokes songs on the background especially considering their first album came out around the peak of the steroid era
@MrQuinn-tc3uo
@MrQuinn-tc3uo 5 месяцев назад
WAR makes you take too big of a logical leap to take seriuosly.
@ShadyAcacia
@ShadyAcacia 6 месяцев назад
The only era of baseball I liked. Mark, Sammy and Griffey Jr in the home run race of 98 was crazy. I think Griffey hit high 30’s, low 40’s in home runs that year which is sad cause he was clean and was clearly the best of the 3.
@JamesSmith-nc9jm
@JamesSmith-nc9jm 5 месяцев назад
He hit 56, which is incredible in its own right.
@TheLockdownKidNYC
@TheLockdownKidNYC 3 месяца назад
He was in the race for a little bit but then the other two guys blew past him in the last few months. I mean 56 HRs is killer regardless.
@manatarmsslaps
@manatarmsslaps Месяц назад
Great video sir! Yeah Ray Lankford is severely underrated man... St. Louis folks remember him but not many else... It's funny that you had Mike Cameron on the list as he was slept on also but the guy he rated just below (#37) was Willie Wilson who had an even weirder career arc and also slept on.. both player until they were 38 but Willie had 2 more years on Mike but numbers very similar.. just opposite type of players that played the same position.. Willie was super speedy (like 600+ s), more average (won a batting title) and defense..
@rsuriyop
@rsuriyop 6 месяцев назад
You've one-upped me (and probably everybody else) highlighting good players from the steroid era with zero HOF votes. But I think there are still several other underrated guys from that period who are pretty much forgotten now who also deserve some mention as well (although they may have received a HOF vote or two). Guys like Bobby Abreu, Travis Hafner, Derek Lee, Carlos Lee, Elis Burks, Javy Lopez, and Brian Jordan (almost near identical to former teammate Ray Lankford who you've listed) just off the top of my head. Anyhow, great list.
@TheTEN24
@TheTEN24 6 месяцев назад
Glad to see guys like Furcal and Cameron mentioned enjoyed watching them play a lot. I’m actually not familiar with Durham or sanders so it’s cool to learn about someone new.
@jamesdrake142
@jamesdrake142 6 месяцев назад
I would last-pick Durham every year for my fantasy baseball second baseman and he’d always do like 90% as well as 2Bs who were like the third or fourth 2B drafted.
@TheTEN24
@TheTEN24 6 месяцев назад
@@jamesdrake142 sounds like a steal
@robot5546
@robot5546 5 месяцев назад
If Paul Konerko played for LA, NY, Bos, etc...He would be in the Hall for sure
@johnmatthew8710
@johnmatthew8710 5 месяцев назад
If nothing else, I doubt he would have fallen off the ballot the first time he was eligible to be voted in like he experienced.
@mattburgess9312
@mattburgess9312 3 месяца назад
But this video is about Zero votes
@mr.fancypants1524
@mr.fancypants1524 5 месяцев назад
When I think of players that are underrated from the steroid era, I think of John Olerud and Will Clark. These two were penalized for NOT taking steroids, and were both better baseball players (and hitters) than every single player in this video. They're the biggest victims of the juice era to me.
@mahtinp
@mahtinp 5 месяцев назад
I feel like you did a very good job unpacking this topic. If there were a catcher in this video, this lineup of guys would have made a dominant team! Bits of why these folks are underrated and unloved: Giles... you mentioned it, an awful human putting up good numbers on awful teams. Zambrano ... would probably be a Hall of Famer if he'd wanted to keep caring about baseball, but he didn't. Lankford ... the only other solid bat in that Cards lineup other than Big Mac and passaround Reggie when he was there. And the toughest end of the stick on this list has to be Mike Cameron ... The dude gets traded for Konerko, then Junior, then has his biggest breakout season in '01 when Ichiro showed up and broke baseball. He still put up good offensive numbers in spite of playing home games in Cinergy, Safeco, Shea, and Petco, finally putting up home run numbers compatible with his actual power when he played at Miller Park towards the tail end of his career ... and gosh, he just looked like he was having fun playing baseball and that was worth idolizing. p.s.: If I never have to watch Ryan Klesko's stupid batflip or godawful defense ever again, I'll be happy.
@angelsfancrc1
@angelsfancrc1 6 месяцев назад
I'm the 39th best Stark Raving Sports viewer
@StarkRavingSports
@StarkRavingSports 6 месяцев назад
love that energy
@TheOfficialYoutubeCommenter
@TheOfficialYoutubeCommenter 6 месяцев назад
SRS on top!
@SLUGGER_CITY
@SLUGGER_CITY 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for standing up/speaking out against cowards that beat & abuse women. Too much of that goes on, and seems to be ignored. Great list of players, such as LANKFORD, & SANDERS, two of my favorite players, & criminally underrated. Awesome video, my friend, thanks for sharing!!
@BrandonGavin_EDC
@BrandonGavin_EDC 2 месяца назад
Ryan Klesko was my childhood! I freaking never missed a Braves TBS game from like 1989-2005. Ray Lankford has a sweet swing.
@ryanslevenski4825
@ryanslevenski4825 5 месяцев назад
I feel Juan Pierre was very underated. Juan Pierre had no power, but was super consistent throughout career with his career batting average at .295 and over 600 career stolen bases. Not to mention a decent glove in the outfield.
@unkledoda420
@unkledoda420 29 дней назад
He had season WAR totals ranging from -0.9 to 3.9, not exactly the definition of consistency. With Pierre you may get slightly below replacement level production or you may get borderline all-star level production, season to season he was a total crap shoot.
@ryanslevenski4825
@ryanslevenski4825 23 дня назад
@@unkledoda420 Fair to say, however Juan pierre is in select company having over 600 stolen bases and over 2000 hits in his career. I'm not making a case for him in the hall of fame. However I would definitely put him in the hall of very good. If my team needed an outfielder, I would not hesitate to have someone similar to his level of play on the team. IMO he is underated.
@ILoveMisty1985
@ILoveMisty1985 6 месяцев назад
I've been following the Hall of Fame vote for about 25 years now, and once thing I've noticed is that the number of players to go without a vote seem to increase in the past 15 years or so. In the 2000s it seems that a few writers were likely to throw candidates they like a vote. I looked at the vote dating back to 1999, and from 1999-2010 there were never more than four players that failed to get a vote. However, beginning in 2011 there was an eruption of players that failed to get a vote. In fact, there were more players that failed to get a vote in the five years from 2011-2015 than there were from 1999-2010! 1999 - 2010: 34 2011 - 2015: 36 2016 - 2019: 35 The 0-vote problem seem to be dying down as there were only 21 of those in the four ballots since 2020. Nevertheless, there does seem to be a distinct rise in the number of players to receive 0 votes. There are probably a lot of factors behind that. The steroid controversy is probably one issue, as writers have shown they generally don't want to vote for anybody with any connections to steroids, but that probably isn't the only factor or even the biggest one. The year of the big leap in number of players to get 0 votes is 2011. It just so happens that the year before, there were four players that debuted on the ballot that are now in the Hall of Fame (Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff), the same number as those that failed to get a vote (including Ray Lankford). The thing is none of them got in on their first try, which meant they carried over to the 2011 ballot. Then the 2011 ballot added Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker, both of whom are in, but neither of them got in on their first try. Even though Alomar was elected in 2011 and Larkin in 2012, you had a backlog of Hall worthy players that grew exponentially with the Great Ballotgeddon of 2013, when guys like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza, Curt Schilling and Sammy Sosa got 5% but none of them were elected. This backlog only continued over the next several years that finally died down after the BBWAA elected an unprecedented 20 players in six years from 2014-2019. Consequently, it probably isn't surprising to see the courtesy vote fall to the wayside. Throw on top of that the increasing transparency, and you might expect voters to be find it easier to withhold a vote for a guy like Brian Giles than try to explain why they are voting for a wife-beater like him. Anyways, for the tl;dr, there are a lot more players that didn't get a vote if they debuted between 2011-2019 and it was probably because the ballot was full of Hall worthy candidates.
@rogerreid5925
@rogerreid5925 4 месяца назад
They should remove the baseball from the hall of fame because even though it performed during the dead ball era it has of late been juiced. Zero votes for the baseball. The difference being that the juiced players, especially Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire, saved MLB post strike. Not letting some of these players into the HOF (even Pete Rose) is a joke.
@WillFordIV
@WillFordIV 3 месяца назад
Good job man
@rickmoreno7166
@rickmoreno7166 6 месяцев назад
Nice video! I always maintain that anybody who appears on the HOF ballot at least belongs in the Hall of Very Good automatically. You had to have something to last 10 years!
@tankwfw
@tankwfw 6 месяцев назад
We live in an era where EVERY hitter is hitting 20+ HR's but the HR leaders usually finish with 45ish 30 years ago it was the opposite. If you hit 20+ HR's you were seen as having decent power and the HR kings were hitting 50+
@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507
@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507 6 месяцев назад
.. That's the same
@terrenceliburd8655
@terrenceliburd8655 6 месяцев назад
Maaaan listen how do WE know Griffey aint take roids? His HR's jumped exponentially!
@pray4us955
@pray4us955 6 месяцев назад
Lol. Don't ever speak down on the Kid ever again
@alwillk
@alwillk 5 месяцев назад
Agreed. He fits the criteria. Broken down in his mid 30s after great years. Just because he want big like bonds. Neither was Brian roberts or Alex Sanchez .
@jimbo1028
@jimbo1028 5 месяцев назад
Wow, this video brings back memories!
@WaVePalmz
@WaVePalmz 6 месяцев назад
I love all the stroke songs in the back ground 🔥🔥🔥
@terrenceliburd8655
@terrenceliburd8655 6 месяцев назад
Dont forget about Ron Gant
@mm6461
@mm6461 3 месяца назад
Ron Can’t wasn’t good
@DoctorEw220
@DoctorEw220 6 месяцев назад
This is the thing. Nowadays you can play with the statistics to make anyone look good. It's the Hall Of FAME. It's more about how famous they were.
@azcardguy7825
@azcardguy7825 6 месяцев назад
I need someone who is like 35 years old making these videos that actually remembers watching baseball during the steroid era
@shanecrossen1042
@shanecrossen1042 5 месяцев назад
I like this video a lot, as a 80’s baby I remember and loved watching all of these guys play
@nacoran
@nacoran 6 месяцев назад
WAR isn't perfect but usually use 50 as my cutoff for HOF cases. They are a little earlier than this, but just under 50, Brett Butler and just over, Tony Phillips are two guys I always think of who I watched as a kid. I love perusing Notinhalloffame. I liked Dwight Evans too. Kenny Lofton, David Cone, Mattingly doesn't make the cut by WAR because his back went out, but he was one of the best. His defense was amazing, and for his short prime he was an amazing offensive force. I think the fact that the Yankees sucked most of his tenure there and then the steroid guys came along and changed our perception of what a hitter should do. (Edit, those aren't 0 vote guys, just guys who dropped off the ballot.)
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 6 месяцев назад
WAR is a horrible stat
@yankees29
@yankees29 6 месяцев назад
Mattingly had a 4-5 year run where he was probably the best hitter in the league.
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 6 месяцев назад
@@yankees29 was sure fun to watch
@yankees29
@yankees29 5 месяцев назад
Yes it was. I was a huge fan and a card collector
@kevmac1230
@kevmac1230 20 дней назад
IMO Dewey Evens is HOF worthy.
@marcparkinson4118
@marcparkinson4118 5 месяцев назад
Hall of fame, is not the hall of very good. Do not drop the bar.
@troysteadman3183
@troysteadman3183 25 дней назад
Yet they let in Todd Helton and Scott Rolen smh.
@Zoggosh
@Zoggosh 5 месяцев назад
Beckett is a perfect fit for a list like this. Gun to my head, not a lot of guys I would rather give the ball to in a do or die game. I'm pretty biased as a Sox fan, but absolutely loved watching him.
@petekowalczuk4795
@petekowalczuk4795 6 месяцев назад
Love the strokes in the background
@michaelminichini6651
@michaelminichini6651 5 месяцев назад
Great video! Couple other players that came to mind: Michael Young Garrett Anderson Ben Sheets Bobby Abreu Mike Sweeney Derrick Lee
@condemnedto4093
@condemnedto4093 4 месяца назад
Been a die hard Phillies fan for 41 yrs now, so I hated the Braves my entire life, and I especially hated the Braves as a teenager in the mid-‘90s. But growing up I was very fortunate to be in a position to meet many players (mostly on the East Coast) thanks to so many being clients of my old man’s company. Ironically, one client that I got to meet was Tom Glavine, and he was generous enough to give us tickets to that nights game. That night I’m not ashamed to say I became a huge Ryan Klesko fan. Klesko went 2-4 with 2 monster HR’s, a walk, and 3 RBI’s. He was an absolute beast! And even tho my two younger brothers still give me crap for liking a Braves player, I feel no guilt, dude was so much fun to watch…
@richminor3081
@richminor3081 6 месяцев назад
Great intro !!!
@bmac4
@bmac4 6 месяцев назад
Man I love the early 2000s Giants (Bonds and Kent feud aside), Durham was such a reliable guy for us.
@JT-wn7wb
@JT-wn7wb 6 месяцев назад
Great stuff so many good ones with solid numbers. Players like Rodríguez, Ramírez just to mention a few should never be on a list of so many good players. Andrew Jones if I recall was also a user.
@joel8692
@joel8692 6 месяцев назад
Andrew Jones wasn't a steroid guy and he was never even rumored to be .
@MrQuinn-tc3uo
@MrQuinn-tc3uo 5 месяцев назад
Tino martinez, bernie williams, paul O' neil, jorge posada..basically the entire middle of the yankee lineup in the late 90's.
@alvarolopeziriarte872
@alvarolopeziriarte872 6 месяцев назад
Another crazy thing about Carlos Zambrano is that he prefers football (or Soccer in the US), he even had some great anecdotes with Real Madrid players.
@bitemenow609
@bitemenow609 6 месяцев назад
I was at the Start of the Steroid era and the MLB. In California in the early 80s. I knew everyone who was working with bodybuilders and who knew the places where they worked out.
@yankees29
@yankees29 6 месяцев назад
I remember hearing announcers in the 80’s talk about “weight training” with certain players back then. I knew even as a kid what was going on. It was pretty obvious if you knew anyone in the bodybuilding world.
@bitemenow609
@bitemenow609 6 месяцев назад
@@yankees29 I do not remember the exact year. But I was close to the Angels team. They had 2 players in paticular that came back from off season with 30 pounds of muscle and had great power seasons that first year. It looked pretty fishy to me. So I asked around and met their trainers. I also had a buddy that turned into Mr. Universe in about a year, ( kidding) But wow you could get big fast.
@yankees29
@yankees29 6 месяцев назад
@@bitemenow609 was it Brian Downing era?
@bitemenow609
@bitemenow609 6 месяцев назад
Yes,
@bitemenow609
@bitemenow609 6 месяцев назад
@@yankees29 Yes the Angels had 2 that I knew for sure. And they had career years.
@jasonic-ks2tm
@jasonic-ks2tm 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for the klesko mention. Dude was a beast
@cjcable6995
@cjcable6995 3 месяца назад
I do agree that some of these guys are better than guys in the HOF already. And I really liked the way you built the list. Fun video overall. I wouldn't have had a vote to spare for any of these guys though. On every ballot they were on, there was at least 15+ guys I'd personally vote for to get into the HOF. So no room left for them. And the guys that typically throw out random or pity votes for guys that won't ever get in are big hall guys that I just don't think could've found room on their ballot either. If the BBWAA could've found some agreement on the steroid guys (either vote them in like they should've or just completely drop them off to avoid clogging the ballot), then these guys might've gotten a few votes.
@bginysta
@bginysta 3 месяца назад
I remember watching Josh Beckett's No-hitter against the Phillies from Citizen's Bank Park. Was neat to see a no-hitter live even if it was against my team.
@clementsfamily7002
@clementsfamily7002 5 месяцев назад
Great video about the Hall of Good.
@joshuatavares2384
@joshuatavares2384 5 месяцев назад
I watched that becket game and he threw a masterpiece. Walked into yankee stadium like he owned then. He was a big game pitcher for Boston also.
@mikepastor.k6233
@mikepastor.k6233 5 месяцев назад
Richie Sexton was on the same team that had Brian Giles and platooned.. the 97's Indian team was absolutely loaded. Too bad they had to ditch some players like both Sexton and Giles. Another player they had around that time was Russell Braynan who swang for the fences and hit the most prodigious home runs..
@Krobscorner2006
@Krobscorner2006 6 месяцев назад
Ray Ray was my guy as a kid! He was so smooth in the outdield and at the plate for the cardinals in the 90s, and amchored the first all black outfield i can remember, wjtb Ron Gant and Brian Jordan; easily the most athletic trio in the field.
@davidmatheny1993
@davidmatheny1993 6 месяцев назад
While she didn't know him super well, my mom was classmates with Mike Cameron at LaGrange HS (LaGrange,GA). The only thing that subdued just how great of a player he was then was playing baseball at a school with a historically great football program. They won state and then a national title in 1991.
@in2rock275
@in2rock275 6 месяцев назад
In the early 2000's I saw Mike Cameron pre-game in Cincinnati (he was with the Mariners). I told my wife, now there's a man amongst men. Then Reuben Sierra walked out. Made him look like a toothpick. I don't think either should be in the hall though. Just my opinion.
@DopeyDetector
@DopeyDetector 5 месяцев назад
😂😂totally made up story
@ChiCubsRule1
@ChiCubsRule1 5 месяцев назад
“Wins Above Replacement is a good stat” Ok i’ve seen enough of this video. Moving on.
@phillylifer
@phillylifer Месяц назад
Great great list
@mattysquizzato7094
@mattysquizzato7094 5 месяцев назад
I don't understand how Josh Beckett isn't in the HOF. The fact that he hasn't received a single vote is mind-blowing. What he did in 2003 was nothing short of remarkable.
@wakawaka1976
@wakawaka1976 5 месяцев назад
138 wins
@thickerconstrictor9037
@thickerconstrictor9037 4 месяца назад
I LOVED watching Furcal play. I wa a huge sheffield fan and that 2003 season was thr most fun i had watching baseball ever. Furcal had an absolute cannon too.i loved his push bunt hits. He would draw in the fielder and push the bunt hard in the air over the fielders head. Miss furcal
@WhackaWhacka
@WhackaWhacka 6 месяцев назад
Got to see Ray Lankford play all the way back to Single A a million years ago. It's funny they use his card from that team for his Wikipedia photo. He's in the Cardinals hall of fame at least, very deservedly. Fond memories of Reggie Sanders too.
@christianedwards6364
@christianedwards6364 6 месяцев назад
I was born in 94 so a lot of these guys I remember being so good when I was young. Most of them I have in the hall of very good and not hof though. But I think the hall should be more exclusive then it is and has guys that shouldn't be in. It also hurts that numbers in that era are inflated and the writers pick and choose who they like and don't.
@nicholasschroeder3678
@nicholasschroeder3678 5 месяцев назад
Agree on every point. No shame in having a very good major league career. The Hall should really only be for players that were iconic legends that produced top notch year after year.
@evancastella
@evancastella 5 месяцев назад
This video is like a graveyard of names I remember from MVP Baseball 2005
@reynold2
@reynold2 5 месяцев назад
I appreciate this
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