The Mystery of Homo Naledi 

Even dogs are said to miss their owners after death❤elephant stories of grief are amazing

​@@stargatismy grandmother's sister saved puppy and raised him. After her early death in 1945 he found her grave and died there. All family was touched

IF is the operative word. There is no hard evidence for any of these examples, except some Neanderthal sites. Neanderthals were much closer to us than Homo Naledi.

​@@olabaskerville in what year the puppy die ?

@@lovingputu5916 around month after his owner's death (after her funeral he disappeared). He was adult dog at that time

Bingo,, if you are prey to another animal, the last thing you want is raw meat hanging around, even if it is your relative..It would endanger the tribe or clan..

That was my original thought too, rather than symbolism or ritual of afterlife. Still quite fascinating.

imagine using strong scents even to mask the rotting corpse. Assumed caves were used as temporary shelters by predators and hominids culturs may have developped by making a home for as long as needed. While that might have been a start there still remains the transition from practical to spiritual ritual.

Still amazing because they must have used fire to find their way. Complete darkness. They did find soot and hearths. So these naledi guys were smart.

In many cases in could be it but i feel like in this particular one it's highly unlikely because going into such a cave would probably be dangerous to the group because of cave layout, lack of sunlight and more

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I had an MRI (?) done a while back. They put me on a tray and slid me into a tube. I had a mild tranquilizer beforehand but I was still VERY uncomfortable even though that tube was relatively spacious and well lit in comparison to the midnight spaces those covers crawled through.

@@jessestreet2549 cavers, from the word cave!

@@merjamikkonen4991 thank spell/word correct. It changes what I type sometimes

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​@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8 I don't join cults!

@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8 and don't eat yellow snow.

I would like to look of the diversity of the small bones as larger carcasses are very unlikely to make it down those small tunnels

​@@FreeSpeechXtremistfrom what I've heard there were very few other species bones in the chambers where the Naledi were found.

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@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8 Shut the hell up.

The doc is BS. Did you see where they lowered his fat ass through this 8" opening and he made the find of the writing. That was straight bullshit. If any of it's bull shit , you have to wonder about everything.

@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8 God answers prayers of crippled boy. "No" says God

just think of the amount of caves or buried bones that straight up get destroyed because of construction work or natural causes such as earthquakes. Or all the caves and former living places, that are now sunken in the ocean like doggerland ect.

not to mention the nephilim bones hidden in the Smithsonian archives! 😆 sorry...I just couldn't resist

@@john-ic5pz 😂

Or, and not to sound conspiratorial, but sites and specimens that were literally bulldozed, blown up or built on, or hidden for someone's quick buck. Because lets face it, all the bogus and outlandish conspiracies are really just there to make the actual conspiracies seem crackers too

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First time I'm actually glad for the missionaries lmao

Omg hahah....

Hilarious, first time I've been even slightly relieved hearing about missionaries😂

Geeeze

I feel like the same result could be achieved using the skull of a large animal, like a wild pig or such.

I feel like that reinforced the idea, but there is also a second factor. If you're not a nomad species, it is not fun to see your loved ones rotting and being dragged by vultures and other animals after they're gone. It is not fun to be hunting or looking for berries and having to look at your mom's rotting corpse hanging out on the nearby rock.

@@enkiimuto1041 Yep, a big factor at play here. We see a trend regarding intelligence and emotions when we're looking at life(mammals at least), the more intelligent an animal becomes, the more nonsensical and extreme its behaviour becomes in terms of emotions. For example, elephants can be very caring and are known to remember their dead and even have 'rituals' regarding them, however, they can still feel extreme hate and they often express it in very violent outbursts. Same as whales, look at Moby Dick for an example(yes, the book was based on a real whale), a whale that went crazy after whalers fucked with either it or its family, another example would be Porphyrios, a presumed sperm whale that terrorised the Holy Roman Empire, we still have no fucking idea why it was so far inland but nonetheless it wasn't mentally stable at all, as it sunk dozens if not hundreds of vessels. Ahem, I don't know where this went but anyway, summed up, the more intelligent an animal becomes, the 'stupider' it is in turn, as it starts 'believing' in stuff that's not true like made up concepts, we for example see meaning where there is not, when a less than blessed animal looks at a corpse it just sees a corpse, an ant doesn't feel emotion, it doesn't feel a need to remember individuals within the colony, but when a human sees a corpse, be it human or not, we see a reminder of life and death, something that most animals don't even understand, because they do not know they will die. We hate and love death at the same time, the greatest enemy and most powerful ally of humanity, we are captivated and horrified by it, but life doesn't care if you're afraid of death or not, all it cares about is if you spread your genes, that's it, it doesn't care if you want there to be an afterlife, you're just a pawn to be used and then thrown away, to explode into energy and then crumble to dust. "It is sometimes and appropriate response to reality to go insane", to feel anger towards it is useless, what good does it do to scream into an abyss? Wow I gotta take my meds.

There are easier ways to get rid of a body. Like walking away.

@@julianshepherd2038 Kinda hard to carry a body for long distances while watching out for predators, while humans werr extremely nomadic, we still gravitated towards favorable areas for shelter, food, etc, caves are a good example, the last thing you wanna do in the wild is abandon your shelter if you don't know where tf you are going, don't let go of the sparrow in your hand for the crow on the fence.

@@dud3655I don’t read comments when they’re this long usually but this was worth it✅interesting. That violence that comes through to defend love, that thing were all trying to get back to, but we keep taking eyes instead. We aren’t done with war. We aren’t nearing oneness, we’re still only hate OR love, good OR bad. We will keep doing this until ?

Recently came across David Gerber and some Prof from Oxford who combines anthropology and archeology. Wow. Changed my view of how material culture affects thought and vice versa.

"grief is love with nowhere to go" I imagine that protecting the dead body of their loved ones from predators was a final act of love. It doesn't really surprise me that they were capable of feeling that way but I'm in awe that they felt the need to act on those feelings.

Most likely they were eaten at the same time

​@@chubbydinosaur9148it may not be correct, they may have went to the cave to eat their dead in peace from predators. Chimpanzees, gorillas do commonly chew their dead. And dyk that aghari tribe in India eat dead human flesh? It's still being done today.

I was taught that it is not the size of the brain, but its anatomy that determines intelligence.

Don't go apeshit over all the speculation of "wow, they were so advanced" quite yet. The peer-review has some valid criticisms... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gGsDAtCOAFw.html

It doesn't appear that the species IS that different to ours, though. More basal, sure. But not too different. It wasn't a predatory bear, it wasn't a flying animal, it wasn't a burrowing mammal, for a few examples. It was an upright hominin, almost certainly a hominid that was very closely related to our own lineage.

This.

Thank you!

Yes, brutal is a fairly gentle word for them. 😂 They basically say Berger needed to do a WHOLE bunch more tests before deciding what actually went on in the cave. Which, yeah, he did skip a lot, I think because he badly wants this all to be true, and let it blind him to the slow and methodical steps needed in science.

apparently the fire and the cave"art" is not what it seems,

@@albertmendoza6618I think no one knows until they compare the zigzags to the patterns on the rock

Thank you! More people need to know this. The study clearly wasn’t ready for publication.

Speak for yourself

I mean, he could use the metric system when talking about their heights =/

@@enkiimuto1041 I mean, you could stop commenting for a while.

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possibly not all in one cave. And/or, that cave is for only one category of tribe member

@@thekaxmax Which is why this is such a fascinating puzzle - every suggested explanation raises its own questions.

@@qwertyuiopgarth more finds required, any way around.

I recall the Eons podcast mentioning there are signs of habitants on other caves, but never this one. Tool use and other things from likely other hominid species, but that one seems to be deemed not good to live, adding intent to when they did enter it.

@@thekaxmax - Perhaps there were other tomb chambers where more bodies were interred, but have since been closed off by geological forces. Any way you look at it, the Naledi must have REALLY wanted those bodies to be placed where they were - can you imagine doing the "Superman crawl" section while trying to bring the weight of a dead fellow Naledi with you? They must have been a very athletic people.

I was passionately in favor of Berger's work until I found out about how he treated the peer review process. Now I suspect that he's done more damage to the peer review process than any of his discoveries can justify.

@@Cat_Woods that’s not him, it’s eLife, which has become a lot like a predatory journal after it changed owners.

@@ArjanKop I'm sorry, Berger deserves a lot of the blame here, the response to the reviews was a standard form letter not really addressing individual criticisms --- Berger et al chose eLife because they couldn't get published in other journals.

@@charoleawood that’s true. It’s a shame, really, because even without all the wishful thinking and roaring news items, a cave full of pretty much intact early hominin fossils is exciting enough as it is.

Nah. It was a ceiling collapse, probably a while after burial.

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Don’t let degrees hold you back from expressing questions you may have. The question/thought alone may often be unique in itself that it helps professionals see a connection or rethink any current theories or models.

​@@serenity6281 Okay, here it is. I find myself wondering what kind of egocentrism makes H. sapiens feel that "we" could ever be the only creatures who routinely and ritually disposed of our dead.

@@CZPanthyr probably because for the longest time we are the only species doing so, of course there are creatures like the elephants who were known to visit the skeleton of their dead relatives, but for the longest time it is understand that only we do this ritualistic burial and another thing is that fossils rarely preserve behavior, so finding such evidence for a thing that were usually attributed to our species in an older and more "ancient" lineage of humans are quite surprising at least

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@@usmcson3 ?? where'd this come from

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3:46 He said in the video that there where no signs of any other way in that may had collapsed.

The researchers have suggested that was not likely. The caved in path couldn't be found.

Well addressed already in the video; NO collapses nor shifts noted . (Q-Tip time, maybe?)

@@kensmith5694 There is other evidence that the dragon's back had fallen from the roof and the route has become more restricted. We need to be skeptical as a lot of these claims are quite sensational, and need to be viewed with more critical care than Dr. Berger has been using. Please consider the critique brought up in this discussion:ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tWavjXAg5Tw.htmlsi=ZAwPI_7fRWi0tqCM

@@Hiznogood that's fascinating. If accurate, how they got so deep without leaving traces of fires?

​@@yak601Twice no less

Except that have so many more modern features.

Ikr

Surely there's too many for them to have all fallen in though?

Yes, that does seem unlikely.@@WolfieDawn

Interesting 🇺🇸

It may be that they were not torches. A small fire on the floor of the cave with shed light you could use for some distance. Human eyes are not super well adapted for night vision but we do OK. A moon is enough light to see where you are going at night.

Have to feel your way. A lighter torch I difficult and fires would kill you.

And there is a lot of gatekeeping of the site and of the findings that are made public --- Berger and Netflix didn't want the larger scientific community doing research in Rising Star that would discount their narratives (which they built before rigorous data was collected by a wide range of experts).

From all I heard they said that intentional burying was the "most plausible" because they could not find any evidence for the alternative scenarios laid out. So I whonder, what is the most plausible scenario explaining the discovery situation for you?

@@charoleawood From all I heard they said that intentional burying was the "most plausible" because they could not find any evidence for the alternative scenarios laid out. So I whonder, what is the most plausible scenario explaining the discovery situation for you?

@@charoleawood big red flags.

I believe there around I see them at gas station alot

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@@James-oc7gp - I go to gas stations and do not feel like a different species. I'd say that AT LEAST half of all Sapiens wind up at a gas station at some point in their lives, probably WAY MORE. That makes them a sub-set, a cohort, but NOT a different species. Why do you feel the need to insult people with your weak statement?