The Mystery Of JonBenet Ramsey | ICMAP | S3 EP10 

All of em. Really do think it’s all of them. Mostly Burke. It’s the way people ask about him and he always smirks🤢

I’m going for Burke too. Parents covered up for him as they didn’t want to lose both their children.

Check out the video by Logan (RU-vid channel Observe) where he analyzes the body language of her parents as it's fascinating. He thinks it was her dad based on non-verbal cues he gives off in interviews (there was an example of dupers delight IIRC). It's so interesting once you know the sort of things to look out for - even in the video clips you posted at the start of this video when her mum said 'we will be looking for the person that murdered her'... She's shaking her head no because that's not what they'll be doing at all.

@@amandab3022 Interesting! But I can’t see what his motive would be. Whereas sibling rivalry can be vicious. Usually results in bruises and scrapes, but I could see it ending up like this.

@@joannaw5913 I believe he thought it was sexual although I could be remembering wrong (her dad is/was friends with Jeffrey Epstein) - he didn't think the murder was intentional however (I remember that much). He also did a body language analysis of Burke's Dr Phil interview and just thinks Burke's constant smiling was a result of nerves.

And i keep my other child tied to my arm! Not send him away to stay with the Whites family members who are in town visiting for Christmas. Patsy never even told him bye!

Lmao

The "one thing that doesn't make sense " there's a whole lot that doesn't make sense. How about their insistence that, Burke remain alone upstairs in a house that size despite the fact that his sister had just been "kidnapped " Then later they entrust his safety to neighbors!!? Any normal parents would have yanked him out of bed and not let go of his hand until the police arrived. There's so much I could say

@@monicshastings8945 that was my first clue that something wasnt right! If one of my kids were missing, the other one would of been handcuffed to me until she was found. They left him in his room, alone, then sent him to the Whites, with relatives he didnt even know. WT F!

Why would anyone bother writing a kidnapping note knowing the body was there in the house ? What?!? Lol. Didn’t happen. As IF police and family wouldn’t find the body laying there in the house ? Ridiculous. Unbelievable. Just no.

There was never Any evidence pointing to the parents but there was Over 200 pieces of actual evidence that pointed to an intruder, coupled with the DNA from an unknown male, that's why they were Exonerated. The DNA Cleared all Ramseys plus lots of others then & since. JB did not even wet the bed & that flashlight was never considered a weapon & wasn't taken into evidence. All the media, books & now Utube has done a great job of brainwashing the public who don't realise that All media entities will say & repeat Whatever for financial gain. JB didn't eat Any of that pineapple, it was a staged item, one of Many. It doesn't matter what You Think that you would say first on a 911 call. The note said Tomorrow. Why write such a ridiculous note anyway? Only an imbecile would sit down & write All That in her own hand, on her own notepad & Then just put that And the marker near the phone For The Cops. AND, then say that the note was on the stairs. And, the body is still in the house, woops, the Ramseys must have forgotten about That!

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

I also found the statement "we have a kidnapping" to be extremely odd. "My daughter is gone/ someone has taken my daughter/ my child has been kidnapped/ my child is missing" ...are likely statement a parent would use. "We have a kidnapping" 😕😕😕😕

From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago.

@@moonriver4275 omg, it doesn't Matter what Patsy said, you ignorant people would deride her the Exact Same.

We are glad to hear that!

Child beauty pageants died out in the 90’s, prolly following this case...but i seem to remember an episode of Father Ted following a “hairy baby parade” where a bunch of babies are judged.

Nothing like the “lovely girls” competition

@THISIS THEGIRL Shirley Temple was abused and molested by some pretty big Hollywood producers. She was able to survive it, however her father stole her money.

Yet they appear to be popular in some circles.

Good. As a Brit, the whole child pageant thing turns my stomach. Horrible.

@@joannaw5913 the things we do here in the states, at times, embarrasses me to be American and unfortunately this is one of them.

@@joannaw5913 The pageants happen in the UK now too

@@imogeninsufferable Really?? That’s gross. I haven’t heard of any. 🤢

How does it feel knowing you've insulted half the country? You stay in your half and we'll stay in our half. Vacations excluded.

This was a carefully planned ransom demand & JB was never to be taken from the house, the perps had nowhere to operate.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

This was a very Very well Planned crime For Money & revenge, Not a robbery. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago.

@@bethryan9077 keep repeating yourself doesn't make it true love if your so sure of yourself go to the authorities but I'm sure after 25 yrs your not the one to solve it

@@katejones2172 I tell the True Facts about this case, it's Not my fault that you Don't Know Any. BTW - the Authorities Know.

No, I think you’re absolutely right. No ‘outsiders’ involved.

Let's hope new investigation techniques will be developed that will help solve this case. Like dna now resolves cold cases from decades ago.

@@reddragongnosis2255 i said like dna!

@@joannaw5913 The Ramseys were exonerated due to All the evidence that Showed someone was in the house & the DNA cleared them plus many others then & since.

@@bethryan9077 Agreed 100%! But the main ingredients required to get away with anything like the death of our own child, and than influence our own ability to control big media dialogue, , write our own narrative , (even ransom notes) and dictate if we want to include /invite local police investigations, or not, seems to be : professional prestige, connections, and wealth. But, somehow, the Ramsey’s “got it done” ,cleaned up and erased..Amazing! Most perverts entering homes and doing this are extremely messy + noisy beasts, , they rarely get away with murder! so yep, I agree with your scenario

The worst case of awful police work was the Meredith Kercher case. The Italian police pretty much destroyed any and all evidence within about ten minutes of arrival on the scene. Combined with a lunatic prosecutor obsessed with Satanic death-cults and a British reporter getting leaks from every confidential arm of the investigation meant Amanda Knox had no chance of a fair trial and Meredith's family will never know what happened to their daughter. Makes me absolutely furious.

@@gabbermensch Absolutely! I followed the case. Poor Meredith's family. I thought the Prosecutor sounded REALLY unbalanced.

@@suzanking5625 Same with the Natalee Holloway case, totally mishandled. didn't help that joren van der Snoot was a bullshitter and narcissist of the highest order. Low and behold, five years after Natalee's dissappearance, Van Der Snoot is jailed for the murder of Stephanie Flores Ramirez. What an utter, utter c- that guy is.

@@gabbermensch What saved Joren was that his father was a prominent Judge.

@@suzanking5625 Yeah, absolute slimeball. Him, the Kalpos and DJ Diablo. Absolute nest of scumbags.

Patsy only read to about - 'we have your daughter' & raced upstairs to find her gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone & he told her to call the cops. She was on the wall phone near the kitchen & John was on the floor then reading the note over & over. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops might take to get there. Patsy hung up & called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine for Help. Mrs Stine couldn't come. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim's advocates to come. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramseys wrote the note. Soo many have been brainwashed with all the bs for 25 years. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago.

Why wouldn't she give herself extra time? They had a reasonable excuse for not calling the cops until after 10am they could have taken the body out of the house

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

@@TheXander360 Because they thought that the police would leave, and after they would put her body in Samsonite suitcase, go for a trip and get rid of the body there. So, if they would've been seen leaving without JB, it would be understood. They didn't want to go out of the house because they could've been seen by someone.

@@divinejudgement7855 they could have just wrapped her in a blanket and if anyone saw them at like 5am say she's still asleep. And no mention of the boy? That's also weird. They could have said don't call the cops or we'll come back for your son

I'm the same it's like a drug, find it helps me in life too.

Me and my mate are wagon drivers and all we talk about on the road is true crime its fascinating. Really addicting

Me too.

I cracked Ben in the head with a full tin of coke from about 15ft, 13 years ago or so.... It goes down as a treasured memory 😊

@@ICouldMurderAPodcast sigh ....... the best is truly behind us

My boyfriend's brother hit him in the mouth with a hammer. It made my boyfriend wildly attractive with that missing front tooth.

the log might have something to say about that...

It was Bob

That’s a cop out to say the police messed up. They still have plenty of evidence. But it’s the parents who staged the scene like some poorly written elementary school play.

@@jdr9419 The 2 who got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the White's Xmas dinner had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly where to go. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid.

Kenda did Not work on the case & he has a big mouth about this crime that he knows Nothing about.

@@jdr9419 This is part of the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out, what Really happened to JonBenet Ramsey because y’all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about every member of JonBenet’s family instead & all because you watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hateful agenda & repeat that as if all true. There most certainly are plenty of posters who have Intelligence, common sense & logical thought processes, who can work out sensible scenarios of what may have happened But, few dare to venture onto these hate-filled pages. . The Ramseys were officially & publicly Exonerated with an Abundance of Real evidence. Just because You Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement - Did deal with Case Evidence, law enforcement including - expert Seasoned investigators, forensic DNA Scientists & expert Crime Scene techs. That Case Evidence included - the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull, the Authentic autopsy report, hundreds of crime scene photos, cops’ walk-thru videos, police reports, affidavits, depositions, evidence lists, witness statements, videos & Full transcripts of John & Patsy’s police interviews of ’97, ’98 & 2000, other recorded interviews, over 200 evidence items, forensic items, the full layout of the Whole 7,000 sq ft mansion - being all 4 storeys & also, what was Out of Place & what was Missing. All is in Evidence & a great deal is online for all to source. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case, nor the ins & outs or the bits & pieces that, Make Up the Puzzle. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an Authentic one. Reddit for example & the proliferation of videos on YT are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, including Fake writing ‘samples’ & Fake individual ‘letter’ samples as if Patsy did that too. Producers through the years have always edited their programmes to suit Their agendas & flash photos & pages on the screen in the middle of whatever dialogue, whether these were the Ramseys TV interviews or parts of their police interviews. All of the Same misleading & False information that’s been going around for 26 years & counting. You people need to wake up to yourselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines as well & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. As long as it’s Against this fine upstanding family, Anything goes & it all must be true. * BTW - who would WRITE a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? There is something seriously very Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!. Why would she say the note was found on the Back Staircase for Heaven’s Sake? One would have said it was found on the child’s Pillow! And woops the body is still in the house. Why write a 3 Page ridiculous note anyway? One would stage a break in & call the cops. SIMPLE. I pity all those who can’t even figure out the Basics of this heinous crime, which was In Fact very, Very well Planned. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ & so-called ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime & they Keep At It because of - all those who are naïve, ignorant, highly gullible, hateful, brainwashed & cruel. Then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid. There’s such an abundance of Ramsey bashers, the never-ending ‘shows’ full of the same old BS will, never end. One would say - feeding the beast.

The note was Brought into the house. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Glenn Meyer invited himself there saying he was looking for the Barnhills & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. He was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road & to the left. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. He organised it all with 3 from the house on the corner. JB's dog was kept over there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes over the years in her print writing. One from the corner house had a grudge against John in relation to family in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. JB was never to be taken from the house as they had nowhere to operate. 4 involved have been identified, justice is coming.

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022

@ Liloo C. Exactly right! And the pad/tablet used to write the ransom note had 7 sets of latent prints according to BPD. 1 set belonged to an investigator who handled the note, 1 set to a police sergeant who also handled the note and the remaining 5 were *all* Patsy Ramsey's. 🧐🤔

@@---Joy--- This is part of the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out, what Really happened to JonBenet Ramsey because y’all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about every member of JonBenet’s family instead & all because you watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hateful agenda & repeat that as if all true. There most certainly are plenty of posters who have Intelligence, common sense & logical thought processes, who can work out sensible scenarios of what may have happened But, few dare to venture onto these hate-filled pages. . The Ramseys were officially & publicly Exonerated with an Abundance of Real evidence. Just because You Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement - Did deal with Case Evidence, law enforcement including - expert Seasoned investigators, forensic DNA Scientists & expert Crime Scene techs. That Case Evidence included - the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull, the Authentic autopsy report, hundreds of crime scene photos, cops’ walk-thru videos, police reports, affidavits, depositions, evidence lists, witness statements, videos & Full transcripts of John & Patsy’s police interviews of ’97, ’98 & 2000, other recorded interviews, over 200 evidence items, forensic items, the full layout of the Whole 7,000 sq ft mansion - being all 4 storeys & also, what was Out of Place & what was Missing. All is in Evidence & a great deal is online for all to source. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case, nor the ins & outs or the bits & pieces that, Make Up the Puzzle. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an Authentic one. Reddit for example & the proliferation of videos on YT are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, including Fake writing ‘samples’ & Fake individual ‘letter’ samples as if Patsy did that too. Producers through the years have always edited their programmes to suit Their agendas & flash photos & pages on the screen in the middle of whatever dialogue, whether these were the Ramseys TV interviews or parts of their police interviews. All of the Same misleading & False information that’s been going around for 26 years & counting. You people need to wake up to yourselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines as well & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. As long as it’s Against this fine upstanding family, Anything goes & it all must be true. * BTW - who would WRITE a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? There is something seriously very Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!. Why would she say the note was found on the Back Staircase for Heaven’s Sake? One would have said it was found on the child’s Pillow! And woops the body is still in the house. Why write a 3 Page ridiculous note anyway? One would stage a break in & call the cops. SIMPLE. I pity all those who can’t even figure out the Basics of this heinous crime, which was In Fact very, Very well Planned. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ & so-called ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime & they Keep At It because of - all those who are naïve, ignorant, highly gullible, hateful, brainwashed & cruel. Then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid. There’s such an abundance of Ramsey bashers, the never-ending ‘shows’ full of the same old BS will, never end. One would say - feeding the beast.

@@---Joy--- Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store, her & John had one each. Later that morning, detective Patterson asked John for a sample of their writing & John handed him both, writing on his in front of that cop. On the first 2 -3 pages of the one that belonged to Patsy, was her writing. Gee deary, according to your Story, more than one Cop, put their fingerprints all over Patsy's notepad & according to your Story, they did that Only on Hers. LMAO. Doh.

Maybe? Wow... that boy IS the Spectrum

He was laughing smiling and bouncing around

@@Cupcakeprosup victory?

She was the most normal member of that family unit.

@@stevenmcghee6649 Right, so You lived with them yeah?

@@bethryan9077 for a brief period of time, yes

Could Burke have written it?

@@crazyalice9514 I suppose it's possible 🤔 but I think if he did, someone was dictating it to him. I don't think he would have been able to do it alone.

I think Burke hit her on the head with a flashlight (not meaning to kill her) and it caused her to go into convulsions..I think Jon finished her off to end her pain. Patsy wrote letter.

Prairie Dust There are so many unanswered questions, I guess anything is possible

@@mollysmeow3455 I agree....

You might be onto something there 🤔

Obviously! 🤔

Understatement of the year

@@mistiroberts1576 no doubt me and my sister went rounds.but I think Burke was jealous maybe even doing things that the parents knew about just ignored.the sexual assault or possibility of it happen leads me to believe Burke was actively attacking her and it finally went to far.

@@mistiroberts1576 the whole doctor saying she had swollen areas makes me think he was doing to her what he felt was being done to him.plus the whole mom having cancer just makes me think he was angry.

@Stephanie Windler well thankfully you weren’t there or we would Know less then we already do.

@Stephanie Windler : You say "it is not possible he killed her with the flashlight". Did you watch the Netflix show when they got a boy his age and size and asked him to hit a skull with a flashlight? The kid could do exactly the damage she had to her skull so sorry but it is 100% possible.

@@robinc6288 I think he could have killed her by hitting her on the head too, maybe in a fit of rage. Siblings can be annoying. BUT I doubt he made and used the garrotte which makes me think twice about that theory. 🤷‍♀️

Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge & no defence lawyers. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution, 99.6% of the time. And Steve Thomas withheld vital evidence. The DNA Alone Proved just how Wrong the jurors Were. Alex Hunter was one of the few who had Integrity & unlike the public, He Saw all the evidence. BTW - the vote was never for murder. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a very long time ago.

That's totally rational of the DA. There just was no evidence to support the charges, and definitely no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

John did it

@Stephanie Windler But the suggestion is the garotte itself was staged. Everything about the body placed there and the tape over the mouth happened after the death of the child. Think about it. Why go thru all the effort of making a garotte when u can simply strangle the child with your bare hands? Its been supposed the crime was pedophilic in nature yet the ransom note did not suggest this and the post mortem performed on the body found no evidence of sexual abuse.

Burke was never even a suspect & All Ramseys were exonerated due to All the evidence that Showed someone was in the house & the DNA Cleared them all. JB was choked, tasered, tortured with the bondage device, strangled to death, then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons. The 1st caused the huge fracture, the 3rd caused the hole. The problem for the public like yourself is that you don't know All that happened to JB Nor do you know All that went on on that house. It is 2021, Al is Known & 4 involved have been identified, the BPD are holding things up

@@Hamigal All Ramseys are Innocent & over 200 pieces of Evidence pointed to an intruder. All is now known & 4 involved have been identified.

From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all said 4 No Ramsey wrote the note. It’s now 2022 & because of the many dedicated investigators who continued the search, all is known & the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. It is Way over time to leave the Proven Innocent family In Peace.

I have suspected number 4 happened. However, where is the evidence of that? Having two female children die tragically with only the male parent in common is suspicious in and of itself.

#4 never happened

@@mollysmeow3455 she died.. no evidence of abuse what so ever

@@southernbelle850 yeah, WTF was that about, in decades I've never heard that alleged

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

@Stephanie Windler the ransom note said they would be called between 8-10am for instructions on delivering the $118,000. Her body was found at noon.

@Stephanie Windler The notes were being photo-copied.

@@KDSima The note said Tomorrow & she was found at 1 p.m.

Exactly that is some thing I never understood. It also needs to be noted that they didn’t even mention or care about the phone call never happening. There was so much that made it obvious these people were involved and did you also hear that they are going to soon try and test the new DNA evidence that they had but the new DA for Boulder Colorado literally came out and said if the DNA is tested and turns out to be an intruder we will go on that theory but if the DNA is someone from the family they aren’t going to go after them. How does that make any sense at all? If the DNA under her fingernails has proved to be her families they absolutely fucking killed her and there’s no way of excusing that. But yet if it does turn out to be theirs that’s not gonna matter to the Boulder County DA just like none of the evidence mattered to the DA when this was happening in that county. Did you also know that before the DA got elected Bill John Ramsey donated a lot to his campaign and basically helped him get the job? That could be why he never wanted to go after them even after a grand jury voted in date them based off the evidence showing they put her in danger or killed them herself.

@@agag3449 The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

I believe it's John also

Love to watch Observe. He did a great analysis on the female manager of the Cecil Hotel.

@@amywilkinson9134 All Ramseys were exonerated & the DNA cleared them. It is 2021, 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up

The note was real, the instructions were clear, don't call the cops. The threat was Very serious. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed. Fibres from the cord were found on her sheet & pillow & are in evidence. They ran out the back door & down to the back & waited under the pine tree. They ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. Fresh pine needles were found in the cellar that came off one of their jackets & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured in that same room. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. The paint tray was put on the carpet in that room to cover the large pee stain in case someone came looking for JB in the morning. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the large pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. JB was given pineapple fruitcake at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. In JB's intestine were the colours yellow, light green & tan & Fragments of vegetable or fruit material. The ME only said 'maybe pineapple' because that useless Arndt was standing there & said there was pineapple in a bowl. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near the butler's kitchen & their exit door. Glen Meyers was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to family in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money paid. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyers was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road & to the left. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. From his vantage point Myers could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyers went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills & John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyers had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known. The crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put on foot back in that house ever again from the half hour after JB was found & they left. Thomas was only brought into the case 3-4 days after because the investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & that was the first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window broken was opened after the cops left searching down there. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou mad a mistake about that window that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Steamboat Springs Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers wee widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were out on her by the 2 who did everything else. Patsy, her sister & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit of the tray, up a bit & close to under the piece of wood, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat.

I thought it was interesting too and am rethinking John's involvement but a) you can't fake that level of handwriting, it was not just similar letters, but whole strings of them, and to a molecular level of similarity, and b), I know 'feelings' shouldn't be involved (and Arndt was there, I was not- although I was paying attention to the internet and the news at the time), but I'm not 'feeling' John in anything but the cover-up. I just don't see it. I don't think it was intentional. There's that. I hope not.

The BPD took that note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 private experts. All said Patsy did Not write the note. Thomas was brought in 3-4 days later because the investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Nil experience with any murder before, let-alone a ransom case, which was the First crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The Ramseys were exonerated for Very sound reasons & the DNA cleared them all plus lots of others then & since. I have posted the details above as of today, in a long comment.

@@bethryan9077 no. The DNA was a muddle of several people's, and look at the note yourself (although if what you take from the experts' consensus that even John acknowledged 'Patsy couldn't be ruled out' is an outright lie or delusion of the exact opposite, making accurate critical observations is probably not your strong suit). Good grief, we message board people- the ones with eyes- knew the note was Patsy's from looking at it back in 2000!)

@@voluntaryismistheanswer You know Nothing True about this case. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI's database only accepts Qualified DNA. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence known at that stage that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA Already Cleared them All plus lots of others then & since including known paedos & John Mark Karr who said he did it. Further testing in 2016 with advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. Word salad deary, you're Ridiculous. I know pretty much Everything about this case, Unlike You & soo many others, who know exactly Nil. You people do Not Know Better than some of the best investigators in the country or the expert crime scene techs or the top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge Or the Boulder PD who Also say the Ramseys are Innocent. You bunch of dafties are Nobodies & you sure as hell Don't know better than Me. There are many vids that put pages on the screen as if Patsy has written word 'samples' & as if she wrote letters in columns, Next to the letters from the note & they are the same. The implication of all these pages put on the screen on vids is that they are from police files, they Are Not, they are Fake. Patsy did None of that. But people like You are Not smart enough to know that & so your belief that Patsy's writing is the same as that in the note. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad with their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those, like Yourself, who believe Patsy did That. For the Real investigators, That was the 1st red flag that the Ramseys were Never involved. Obviously y'all have no common sense either.

Beth Ryan: you have an impressive amount of Knowledge about this case and I’m not challenging you on any of it. However, you often say that the cord was the length of JonBenet’s body but don’t say what the significance of that is. Also, you seem to imply that there were four intruders involved and that two of them are still alive. So who are they? And is the 17 year old (at the time), who you sometimes mention, one of the two still alive or one of the two no longer with us, and who is or was he?

@@mikenelson1009 Thank you for your reply. There is only so many lines that can be put under the replies & that's why I only put down the basics & no paragraphs. A couple of reasons why I didn't go into the whole 'workings' of that & one is the same reason as to why I have also left out, other details about other vile acts committed that are a bit sensitive for the page. The photos that have been going around for x long, are usually of the cord on wood & that photo seems to enforce in people's minds - a garrotte. A typical garrotte for the more modern day, has 2 handles, so whoever called it that, either was deliberately misleading or had no knowledge about garrottes. As a bondage device, is why the loops over her shirt at the wrists. And that is just something Else that nobody mentions as such, in vids & books etc. I have read exactly how it worked, is hard to put into words though. The slip-knots were made for the purpose, the cord slips, when pulled. I can't draw a diagram for the page, lol, so I'm struggling to describe it. And it was much earlier in the year when I got into that info. One vid had a diagram that I saw much later on but I didn't jot down my sources. I wasn't expecting to dig so deep into this case, I just made notes & I never expected to be asked where I found what. And, is a bit graphic, so I'm worried to say too much. I mentioned about electricity, the cord was hanging from the ceiling in the boiler room & can be seen in one of the crime scene photos. Certain acts were committed & the white nylon cord was put together in a way, that acted like a button, movement, so her exact height for the rest of the cord was all important. The 3 loops, over the head & each wrist. The abrasions at the base of her neck were from the cord being tightened loosened tightened. Electricity at the genitals to awaken & shock. That was the cause of the redness & slight swelling there & is why the ME didn't know what had happened at that inner area. He called in more experienced pathologists the next day, but they were scratching their heads also. There are all manner of 'rumours' still going around for many reasons, false info, But, people need to access the Authentic autopsy report that can be found online, that the ME did on the 26th. The 1st page has the symbol for Colorado. Then there was another report after the next examinations. I haven't read any books about this case so I don't know for sure where the 'stories' started about prior abuse but that is just not true. Because 'sexual assault' is mentioned too, many automatically presume rape, that night & because of the BS, they Think before also, that is just not true either. Of Course, Arndt has a great deal to answer for in relation to her Performance on national TV & all that she said, just because she was after a book deal Too. Her report to the BPD after the murder, said the opposite about the Ramseys, so she was Caught lying & later retracted all she said in that interview. That's also why people think JB was raped & before, from what She implied, talking about how she was at the autopsy, but she's a liar, one of a great many. When Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she said & vowed to help find the killer, but like so much about this crime, few seem to know that fact also. What made me angry about her also in that interview, she knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow. There is So much that the general public just don't know about & the whole family are slammed about absolutely everything, because of so much deceit & soo many liars, some, covering their asses & then there's all those who say Whatever just to make Money. I digress, needs to be said. I see that I haven't said in that narrative that the tip of the paintbrush was inserted & that happened more than once. I presumed people knew that. I will have to edit & be specific. That's what caused some bleeding that was wiped off with a blue cloth, the fibres still present. Besides Arndt present at the autopsy, there was a male cop too. When the ME stated about the blue fibres on JB's thighs, that cop got a certain light & then said he could tell semen was present. But with the testing later, that was not semen at all, it was JB's blood that had been wiped off. I will just mention lubricant & green paint in a tube, also put in Patsy's paint tray. In the real report, rust coloured marks at each temple & on one calf. The log grabber can be seen in a crime scene photo of the cellar. They used that & a few other items to make something else, but not in relation to JB. If you source the photo of the skull, the impact of the brick on the top of her head is obvious. In same crime scene photo, the brick is in the cellar also. The measurements matched. Another aspect - there is a photo of JB taken when at the Whites at the Xmas dinner & so, how her was done can be seen. So, the sides were pulled back like a high ponytail at the back & she had a blue hairband holding that & colourful bow scrunchie. Because she was fast asleep when Patsy put her to bed, that was left as was. The perps got another band & pulled all her hair back, so 2 pony tails & they used another scrunchie to hold it all up. I saw a drawing some weeks ago on a podcast & it was of JB, as on the living room carpet. All incorrect & even her hair. Fake pages put on vids as if Patsy's writing of word 'samples' & letters the same as the note down columns & as if from police files. Patsy did none of that & the pages are not docs from police files. Diagrams of the levels of the house, wrong info on those. Pages put on screens as if forensic reports about fingerprints on the bowl. There were no fingerprints on the bowl. It's all a disgrace. Of the 2 who left their DNA, killed JB & left town within the week - one was 17 & came from Puerto Rico with his family when younger, when found, there will be an announcement. The other one was 24, a white guy, he committed suicide in 2020 after being questioned. He was seen walking across the Ramseys yard at the back when they left for the Whites. Meyer's name was already in the public domain, being a suspect at the time. He died many years ago. He was in the basement for a short time in the early hours taking photos & left. A Camel cig butt is being tested now. The 4th one was never in the house so no DNA. He had the only car & was to get the cash from John. I have some other other info about these 4, but not the names of those 3 yet. Cheers

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

There were no previous drafts in the bin. In the middle of the notepad was - Mr & Mrs I. Glenn Meyer did that deliberately as if Patsy made a mistake by adding Mrs. There were 7-8 pages missing from the middle.

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

What evidence is that exactly? That room used to be a coal bin & that's why there were no windows in there. The light switch was Not just on the wall as most are. John knew where it was & one had to step inside & then take x steps to the left to get to that, a fixture hanging down on the other side of the beam, about half way in. He could see the white blanket & JB was basically in front of him. And, because he had stepped inside out of the doorway, the light from the basement shone through. A test was done & it was Proven anyone could see in there. *The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The interviews were at the end of April because the cops kept Cancelling. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door within 6 minutes at the start of the 911 call, Because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent were present Nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. They gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. Steve Thomas was brought in because the present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from the high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI & the CBI. The present investigators had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine that day. Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. Here's the thing, you people know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most of you don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA from - under JB's fingernails, a very important Fact that Steve Thomas kept from his DA for 7 months. Next - unknown male DNA, being saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. Next in 2007 - unknown male DNA that Matched the 2nd testing - was touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA from one perp has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago.

@ Victoria C I agree! They eluded a police interview for over 4 months and interestingly, one of the lead detectives stated that the BPD hired an expert to replicate the lighting in the basement of 12/26. The investigators observed the windowless room was pitch-black, just as Ramsey's close friend/neighbor Fleet White had described it. They could not see the white blanket. They also reported that even with the interior lights on, they couldn't see the blanket until they stepped into the room b/c a short wall blocked the view from the doorway. Yet, when John Ramsey opened the door to the pitch-black room he immediately shouted, "Oh my God!" I believe in that moment, Fleet White *knew*. Not long after, the Ramseys listed Fleet & his wife Priscilla as suspects. They were subsequently investigated and cleared, but this provides some insight into the depraved behavior of the Ramseys.

@@---Joy--- None of that is True, NONE. Stop spreading More Lies just because You have a twisted agenda against this Proven Innocent family. Shame on you. BTW - the Whole World can source the Photos Of That Room which Prove you're Making Up LIES.

@@---Joy--- The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. They did Everything the cops asked them to do. John asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against His theory, they were ridiculed & ostracized. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. The Ramseys organised to do the Formal interview for when they returned from Atlanta burying their daughter, the cops cancelled that interview as they did more than once. It didn’t go ahead til April, big Deal. Loads of people don’t do formal interviews At All & lots don’t speak to the cops Ever. The Ramseys had Nothing to Hide & they went on national TV soo many times, nobody can count the number up right. Being interviewed by all & sundry & being asked about the same Hurtful aspects over & over again whilst being Accused, for the Whole World to listen to & being open to the scrutiny of all the loons to squawk about every blink of an eye. They did all that with poise & humility & had to hold their anger inside, because of what happened to their daughter & whole family & due to how they were treated from the very beginning & Still, while the ever accusing keystone cops were doing Jackshit trying to find the sadistic murderer of their child. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out, many Seasoned investigators continued the search Unpaid. Not one of them have written a Book. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue to this day. The current info about the DNA has been national news for over 2 years, only the highly ignorant Ramsey bashers ignore that Scientific evidence. CeCe Moore has publicly weighed in on this case, asking for the DNA evidence items. One needs to think about the Major Players behind this made up Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas put it all on Patsy, Linda Arndt decided Later that she’d blame John & James Kolar chose Burke - neither of these so-called 'police' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. Each one put their mugs on National TV, trying for fame & fortune, they Failed at that job also. All 3 are such an Embarrassment for law enforcement around the world & then there’s the Fact that they’re all Proven Liars. Recently a cold case team were put together & they have now started working this case. The government sure aren’t paying out Loads of dollars to go after this Proven Innocent family. You’re a tax payer yeah? Well, You’re paying. LMAO.

Thanks for you support Meghan! 💀❤️

I have posted details about this crime in a long comment. Helgoth was just a fall-guy & had even rented a cabin in the mountains not long before. All Ramseys were exonerated for Very sound reasons & the DNA cleared them all plus many others then & since.

Thank You guys for a most thorough recap. Why haven't the officials traced the DNA found under JonBenee's finger nails to the appropriate Perpetrator?

Great job and looking for updates.👐🙂💜

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

we found that particular clip really eerie!

I've never seen that before either, it's very creepy! I think statement analysis of that would concur that it is essentially an admission of guilt. "At least two people know who did this", very, very specific... I thought the ransom note claimed to be from some kind of larger terrorist group or organization?

She was shaking her head no, when saying they would continue to look for murderer.

@@PaulA-yw6lx another creepy video is where John is talking to a preacher. John said, if we did do it, we are the kind of people who need to be in church.

@@PaulA-yw6lx This is part of your problem - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out because like soo many others, you’re too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about each & every member of JonBenet’s family instead. You watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hate-filled agendas & post that as if facts. Shame on you all. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a bunch of Real experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because you Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw - Case Evidence, which Included the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence & online for all to source. You people are Nobodies & clearly y’all are not very bright so just get over yourselves & leave this family In Peace. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. Reddit & the videos are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, the Same false & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are ignorant, hateful, gullible, cruel & then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid

Also, the number of suspects that came up to kill a six year old girl. Who knew so many had motive to kill a child.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all said 4 No Ramsey wrote the note. It’s now 2022 & because of the many dedicated investigators who continued the search, all is known & the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. It is Way over time to leave the Proven Innocent family In Peace.

Mommy Dearest again... Rage Burk knows no one can live in a house and not know what's happening eventually. There were no snow print remember. The mom and dad went on TV afterwards and she called her daughter she never by Her name... Her pride and joy or she was afraid of getting caught

@@jamescarter122 This is part of the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out, what Really happened to JonBenet Ramsey because y’all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about every member of JonBenet’s family instead & all because you watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hateful agenda & repeat that as if all true. There most certainly are plenty of posters who have Intelligence, common sense & logical thought processes, who can work out sensible scenarios of what may have happened But, few dare to venture onto these hate-filled pages. . The Ramseys were officially & publicly Exonerated with an Abundance of Real evidence. Just because You Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement - Did deal with Case Evidence, law enforcement including - expert Seasoned investigators, forensic DNA Scientists & expert Crime Scene techs. That Case Evidence included - the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull, the Authentic autopsy report, hundreds of crime scene photos, cops’ walk-thru videos, police reports, affidavits, depositions, evidence lists, witness statements, videos & Full transcripts of John & Patsy’s police interviews of ’97, ’98 & 2000, other recorded interviews, over 200 evidence items, forensic items, the full layout of the Whole 7,000 sq ft mansion - being all 4 storeys & also, what was Out of Place & what was Missing. All is in Evidence & a great deal is online for all to source. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case, nor the ins & outs or the bits & pieces that, Make Up the Puzzle. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an Authentic one. Reddit for example & the proliferation of videos on YT are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, including Fake writing ‘samples’ & Fake individual ‘letter’ samples as if Patsy did that too. Producers through the years have always edited their programmes to suit Their agendas & flash photos & pages on the screen in the middle of whatever dialogue, whether these were the Ramseys TV interviews or parts of their police interviews. All of the Same misleading & False information that’s been going around for 26 years & counting. You people need to wake up to yourselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines as well & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. As long as it’s Against this fine upstanding family, Anything goes & it all must be true. * BTW - who would WRITE a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? There is something seriously very Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!. Why would she say the note was found on the Back Staircase for Heaven’s Sake? One would have said it was found on the child’s Pillow! And woops the body is still in the house. Why write a 3 Page ridiculous note anyway? One would stage a break in & call the cops. SIMPLE. I pity all those who can’t even figure out the Basics of this heinous crime, which was In Fact very, Very well Planned. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ & so-called ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime & they Keep At It because of - all those who are naïve, ignorant, highly gullible, hateful, brainwashed & cruel. Then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid. There’s such an abundance of Ramsey bashers, the never-ending ‘shows’ full of the same old BS will, never end. One would say - feeding the beast.

It's not terribly common, but it happens often enough for it to be recognised as A Thing - you can kill a person with a single strike, especially if they fall over and hit their head on a hard surface. Anyone could have done this, even another child, and it wouldn't have had to be much of a beating. JonBenet might even have slipped and hit her own head, and she might not have died immediately.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

Yeah! The whole “non-verbal exchange” is very telling. Really interesting interview!

Definitely. Her face says it all.

@@jeffroweart She is a Proven Liar & retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. The report she put in to the BPD at the time said the Opposite & btw - she knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow.

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Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th when he was still at the Whites, by detective Patterson, who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to the where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that Burke didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer was present with him & the parent's Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that interview to take place as well. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. Science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously are Not told the Details about all that happened. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross fractures were After death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then refused to get on the stand to back his lying mouth. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that most people Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used. The 1st fracture was front to back & Open, nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole & the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to that believe that Garbage because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect.

@@ICouldMurderAPodcast I am not surprised that people like You find the torture & vicious murder of this little girl, so amusing. Shame on you & go get back under your rock.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

I've always thought Burke wrote the note.

Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner..

@@crazyalice9514 The Ramseys were exonerated due to all the evidence that showed someone was in the house & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note.

The films that the 5 quotes relate to, were about violent kidnapping scenarios actually & for over 18s. To bring Burke into being the writer of that ridiculous 365 words & numbers note, just shows the level of your intellect.

@@bethryan9077 intellect? Shall we put yours under scrutiny? Are you asking us to believe that “over 18” films are never viewed by children?? Or that a line from a kidnapping movie might not be quoted randomly as it pleases the author of the note? I think your imagination and knowledge of the world and of basic psychology could use some topping up as well as your intellect. Not to mention some tolerance.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

@prairiedust6623 People who say 'that seems like something Patsy would say' don't know Patsy from a bar of soap. It makes my blood boil.

@@DebraHarrison-b2x I wasn't trying to piss you off

@@DebraHarrison-b2x Not trying to boil your blood..calm down. I don't know who did this but I do have my own ideas...

@@prairiedust6623 Let me guess. Do your 'ideas' include a name that starts with a P and ends in a Y?.

Just ridiculous rubbish put out by lying con artists to find their version of fame & Make Money. CBS formatted that 'show' to James Kolar's book of BS blaming Burke & that's why Kolar was on there too. Sensationalism sells & so many were happy as pigs in mud to believe it all. CBS were mightily sued for the gross misleading of the public & the 'group' were included in the suit. CBS settled the case out of court & had to pay out mega millions of $$$. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago

@@bethryan9077 have they

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Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022

Ludicrous

FYI - From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago.

@ Anteaters-R-Us The panel of pediatric experts *all* agreed there past violations of the vagina consistent with chronic abuse. You never know what goes on behind closed doors when the facade disappears.

@@---Joy--- None of that is True. Stop slagging on this little girl just because you have a twisted Agenda.

It won't be. The clues lead to the family, the prosecutor's won't go there.

@@dennistrull1475 This is part of the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out, what Really happened to JonBenet Ramsey because y’all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about every member of JonBenet’s family instead & all because you watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hateful agenda & repeat that as if all true. There most certainly are plenty of posters who have Intelligence, common sense & logical thought processes, who can work out sensible scenarios of what may have happened But, few dare to venture onto these hate-filled pages. . The Ramseys were officially & publicly Exonerated with an Abundance of Real evidence. Just because You Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement - Did deal with Case Evidence, law enforcement including - expert Seasoned investigators, forensic DNA Scientists & expert Crime Scene techs. That Case Evidence included - the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull, the Authentic autopsy report, hundreds of crime scene photos, cops’ walk-thru videos, police reports, affidavits, depositions, evidence lists, witness statements, videos & Full transcripts of John & Patsy’s police interviews of ’97, ’98 & 2000, other recorded interviews, over 200 evidence items, forensic items, the full layout of the Whole 7,000 sq ft mansion - being all 4 storeys & also, what was Out of Place & what was Missing. All is in Evidence & a great deal is online for all to source. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case, nor the ins & outs or the bits & pieces that, Make Up the Puzzle. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an Authentic one. Reddit for example & the proliferation of videos on YT are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, including Fake writing ‘samples’ & Fake individual ‘letter’ samples as if Patsy did that too. Producers through the years have always edited their programmes to suit Their agendas & flash photos & pages on the screen in the middle of whatever dialogue, whether these were the Ramseys TV interviews or parts of their police interviews. All of the Same misleading & False information that’s been going around for 26 years & counting. You people need to wake up to yourselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines as well & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. As long as it’s Against this fine upstanding family, Anything goes & it all must be true. * BTW - who would WRITE a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? There is something seriously very Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!. Why would she say the note was found on the Back Staircase for Heaven’s Sake? One would have said it was found on the child’s Pillow! And woops the body is still in the house. Why write a 3 Page ridiculous note anyway? One would stage a break in & call the cops. SIMPLE. I pity all those who can’t even figure out the Basics of this heinous crime, which was In Fact very, Very well Planned. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ & so-called ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime & they Keep At It because of - all those who are naïve, ignorant, highly gullible, hateful, brainwashed & cruel. Then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid. There’s such an abundance of Ramsey bashers, the never-ending ‘shows’ full of the same old BS will, never end. One would say - feeding the beast.

Ur so right!,, they did call friends to contaminate the scene,,, that phone is so obviously staged panic,,,, why didnt john call the police instead of patsy,,, hmm

Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine, she couldn't come. Nobody else. The Cops called 2 victim's advocates to get there & they also arrived very early. John Fernie called their pastor, for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. Officer French was the First person to arrive, the officer Veicht not long after. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, except for Arndt, they were all gone by about 10.30 a.m. This is part of the problem for people like yourself, you don't know a Damn Thing. BTW - all Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with something called Evidence & by a bunch of Real experts, who included Forensic Scientists.

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ At All & the 8 cops & detectives there that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive & within 6 minutes of the start of the 911 call. He had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived. The Whites, the Fernies & the pastor arrived at different times & sat in the den & sunroom. It was going to be a long wait that, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called two victim's advocates to come who were also present from early that morning. Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & With detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door, as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window, shows that it was taken in the Night. Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cop's Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails. Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper. *It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’. Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer of her precious child. Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well. Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. They did Everything the cops asked them to do. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against His theory, they were out. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out, many Seasoned investigators continued the search Unpaid. Not one of them has written a Book. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. Patsy liked to wear red for Xmas & had bought a new red sweater that had baubles on it. She wore that & a pair of black pants to the White’s Xmas night dinner. They were up so early on the 26th because they were to take their plane to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at the Minneapolis airport & then all were going to their Charlevoix house for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving. No doubt Patsy wanted to show off her Xmassy sweater again. That morning, she threw that on with the same pants, re-did her make-up & was ready to go when she went down the stairs. She planned on having a bath when they got to their holiday house, after the long flight. Patsy found the note & only read to about - ‘we have your daughter’ & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. She was using the wall phone in the alcove near the kitchen, John was on the floor reading the note over & over Then. The public need to find out about the layout of that Huge 4 level mansion. Patsy had been racing around a long distance plus the spiral staircase 2 times - in shock & great fear, she was so stressed that she couldn’t even get her words out at the Very Beginning of that Desperate 911 call & what came out was Babble. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Really had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. *Burke did Not move from his bed til he was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. His next interview was with a police child service’s officer that his parents Allowed 10 days after, no lawyer. The public have seen a few snippets of that. He was 11 when interviewed by another detective, over 2 days, that his parents Allowed, no lawyer. The public have seen a few snippets. N.B. That was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. The perps Staged all items on that table & lots more, Everywhere. One needs to think about the Major Players behind this Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas put it all on Patsy, Linda Arndt decided Later that she’d blame John & James Kolar chose Burke - neither of these so-called 'police' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. Each one put their mugs on National TV, trying for fame & fortune, they Failed at that job also. All 3 are such an Embarrassment for law enforcement around the world & then there’s the Fact that they’re all Proven Liars.

@jayevans644 Patsy didn't call 18 people to come over. She called the White's and the Fernie's (4 people). Then she called the Steins who were unable to come. One of their friends called for their Pastor to come. Police called in 2 victims advocates.

😂

Unfortunately there have been too many children murdered by their parents.

Except, the first thing that the Aliens would ask is question No. 4: "What is wrong with you people?" Hahahah

@@jdr9419 Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

@@jdr9419 People say ‘these types of cases’ & quote various numbers about ‘statistics showing’ - in relation to children found deceased - there has Never been a case like this one. Putting the note aside - the crime was ultimately murder & the body was found in the home. Predominantly, the statistics about kids who are found murdered are in relation to - junkies, alcoholics, meth heads, mental health illnesses, divorce, paedophiles, the underprivileged, serial killers, step-fathers & then mothers who got a new boyfriend who didn’t want kids around.

There was No evidence pointing to Burke. All Ramseys were exonerated because they were Innocent.

This is part of the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out, what Really happened to JonBenet Ramsey because y’all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about every member of JonBenet’s family instead & all because you watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hateful agenda & repeat that as if all true. There most certainly are plenty of posters who have Intelligence, common sense & logical thought processes, who can work out sensible scenarios of what may have happened But, few dare to venture onto these hate-filled pages. . The Ramseys were officially & publicly Exonerated with an Abundance of Real evidence. Just because You Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement - Did deal with Case Evidence, law enforcement including - expert Seasoned investigators, forensic DNA Scientists & expert Crime Scene techs. That Case Evidence included - the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull, the Authentic autopsy report, hundreds of crime scene photos, cops’ walk-thru videos, police reports, affidavits, depositions, evidence lists, witness statements, videos & Full transcripts of John & Patsy’s police interviews of ’97, ’98 & 2000, other recorded interviews, over 200 evidence items, forensic items, the full layout of the Whole 7,000 sq ft mansion - being all 4 storeys & also, what was Out of Place & what was Missing. All is in Evidence & a great deal is online for all to source. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case, nor the ins & outs or the bits & pieces that, Make Up the Puzzle. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an Authentic one. Reddit for example & the proliferation of videos on YT are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, including Fake writing ‘samples’ & Fake individual ‘letter’ samples as if Patsy did that too. Producers through the years have always edited their programmes to suit Their agendas & flash photos & pages on the screen in the middle of whatever dialogue, whether these were the Ramseys TV interviews or parts of their police interviews. All of the Same misleading & False information that’s been going around for 26 years & counting. You people need to wake up to yourselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines as well & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. As long as it’s Against this fine upstanding family, Anything goes & it all must be true. * BTW - who would WRITE a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? There is something seriously very Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!. Why would she say the note was found on the Back Staircase for Heaven’s Sake? One would have said it was found on the child’s Pillow! And woops the body is still in the house. Why write a 3 Page ridiculous note anyway? One would stage a break in & call the cops. SIMPLE. I pity all those who can’t even figure out the Basics of this heinous crime, which was In Fact very, Very well Planned. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ & so-called ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime & they Keep At It because of - all those who are naïve, ignorant, highly gullible, hateful, brainwashed & cruel. Then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid. There’s such an abundance of Ramsey bashers, the never-ending ‘shows’ full of the same old BS will, never end. One would say - feeding the beast.

This is exactly what happened. She was left alone at a party that night and ended up dead.

You people need to seek the right doctors.

@@CWYMAN77 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you

It has been proven by many hand writing and written speech analysts that Patsy wrote the note. There was no intruder.

@@jdr9419 quite possibly, yes.

@@jdr9419 The BPD took that note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 private experts. All said Patsy did not write the note. This high profile crime started up the whole industry of 'experts for this experts for that' & blaming each & every member of the family Just To Make Money. The Ramseys were exonerated because they were Innocent!

Who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something fundamentally Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That.

There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated.

People need to do some actual research instead of just believing what you saw on a documentary that was put together just so More of the unscrupulous make Money. That CBS Bogus 'show' was formatted to James Kolar's book of BS blaming Burke & that's why He was on there too. Sensationalism sells & soo many were happy as pigs in mud to lap it all up because y'all know Nothing about this case as a whole & you sure don't know anything True, let alone about what Actually happened to the poor child. CBS were mightily sued for the gross misleading of the public & those lying con artists were included in the suit. CBS settled out of court & paid multi millions of $$$. The 2 so-called scientists, Lee & Spitz, were personally sued for their deliberate lies & misinformation. FYI - there were Two Severe fractures to the skull. One was down the length & Open, the other was a Hole. How does a whack from Any weapon produce Two fractures like That for a Start? It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked & tasered in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried down to the boiler room. She was given a lot of water & tasered & tortured with the bondage device, that was Not a garrotte & that's why the loops over the shirt at her wrists. Source the photo of the whole thing & while you're there, source the autopsy photos & the photo of the skull. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online. The 1st page has the symbol for Colorado. JB was never unconscious & there were dig marks from her nails in her skin at the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The autopsy photos show those marks And the White nylon Cord that was left Embedded in her neck. The blows to the head occurred just after her death, 3 weapons, each in evidence & None were that flashlight. The 1st blow caused the huge fracture down the skull & the photo of the skull shows the impact from the brick used, on the top of the head. A crime scene photo of the cellar shows the brick. The measurements Match. The 3rd blow caused the hole that the 2nd started & that weapon was put on the half-wall outside of the butler's kitchen door where the perps exited from. There is a crime scene photo showing that black steel ball bat & the glass exit door left wide open. The utility knife was left in the cellar & the tool used to do the small stabs to the skull, was broken off & never found. From the position of the cord at the front of the neck & the necklace caught at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves JB was on her Back when strangled to death. That also Means that she was looking Up at the person doing that. The paintbrush was cut, broken & whittled to also implicate Burke. This whole crime for money was set up to incriminate the whole family if the cops were called & the perps didn't get their cash. That was Not a paintbrush of Patsys. The tip was used at JB's genitals & that caused bleeding that was wiped off with a blue cloth. The fibres are mentioned in the Authentic autopsy report. The tip was never found because some deviants keep trophies. Other vile acts occurred but too sensitive for this page. Those charlatans showed a doctored photo of JB's sheets with a big yellow stain when in fact JB did Not wet the bed. They swayed the public with 'some parts' that had been heard & read about previously & just twisted that info to suit Their agenda. They said a ligature was 'wrapped around the neck as staging' & showed a package of blue rope. Fact - a blue rope was found in a bag in the guest room that didn't belong to the Ramseys. They denied any attack at JB's genitals also because the Real Facts of what happened to the child was too much of a stretch for the audience to believe Burke would have done all, Or the parents & That's Why they didn't Talk about the huge fracture down the length of the skull Or the strangulation. And Then they said the cops were looking for the wrong offender. Spitz had the Hide to say that the very small slithers of wood must have jumped into the vagina when John carried her up the stairs & referred to That as contamination - when in Fact at autopsy, those slithers were found & those Blatant liars knew That also. There was a second autopsy done with other pathologists present & so, a 2nd report. Burke's train tracks had 3 steel pointy pins Not 2 blunt ones. The type of air taser used has been identified & they were Burns, not abrasions, the shapes were rectangular. The same burns on her face & under her ear, as on her back. The one on her face was bigger because the electrode was placed there more than once. The reason for that area near the brain is about control - little balance to walk & poor memory. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs, 1993, Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns to his face, the second was on his ear lobe. Those air tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 private renowned experts, all 4 said the Ramseys did Not write the note. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad with their Own marker & then put both near the phone For The Cops? There is something fundamentally Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That. For the Real investigators, that was the First clue that told them the Ramseys were not involved. Unfortunately for the Ramseys, Steve Thomas was brought in as lead detective because the present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before. He thought he would make a name for himself from the high profile crime & constantly talked about the book he was going to write. He leaked confidential evidence material to the media & misinformation about the Ramseys. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD were only interested in saving their own incompetent asses & went into damage control because the child was found in the home that afternoon by her poor father when Their officers should have found her early that morning. They Hid lots of what they did & didn't do that morning from the public & pretended there was no intruder so the media were at the family Instead. Thomas also Hid vital evidence from his superiors & others on several occasions including from the grand jury, Of Course. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge & no defence lawyers. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution, 99.6% of the time. The DNA Alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. Federal Court Judge Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent in 2003 due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online which includes what She had to say about Cina Wong, that she had No qualifications to call herself a writing analyst. Carne was quite scathing at Steve Thomas as Well. He resigned on national TV because that was his marketing Ploy for his book of bs he went off to write, blaming Patsy because of a notepad. He had illegally taken evidence material from the BPD before his useless ass was Fired. He was sued for his book of lies & garnered Money from the public to fund his defence & then refused to get on the stand to back himself. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent. He still whines to this day, blaming Alex Hunter who was one of the few involved who had full integrity. Alex Saw all the evidence known at that time, that pointed to an intruder, the public Did Not. The DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs from 1997 til 2008, the results were - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. James Kolar was in the DA's office for a short time, was fired & he went off to write His book of bs for financial gain also & blamed Burke. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence known at that stage that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA Already Cleared them All plus lots of others then & since including known paedos & John Mark Karr who said he did it. Officer Beckner also wrote a book of BS for financial gain. He at least came to some realisations down the line & publicly stated "when the owner of the DNA is found, there's your killer". Further testing in 2016 with advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died & he continues still. Because of the Many dedicated private investigators who continued the search Unpaid, all is now Known & the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. There has been so many so-called experts who came out of woodwork to find their version of fame & to make Money from this crime which Soo Many seem for Forget is About a 6 Year Old Child. There are also many pages with 'typing' as if from police files, all Fake. Then some pages with 'words' & 'letters down columns' as if Patsy wrote that, all Fake. All this is put on many vids as if from police files, they are Not. It's been over 25 years & the BS continues to go around about this case. I don't know when the autopsy photos & so much more was put online but it is there now. Y'all Really need to do some Actual Research & at the same time, find some Common Sense. It is way over time to leave this Proven Innocent family In Peace.

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

This is part of your problem - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. Nor do you Care to Find Out because like soo many others, you’re too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about each & every member of JonBenet’s family instead. You watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hate-filled agendas & post that as if facts. Shame on you all. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a bunch of Real experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because you Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw - Case Evidence, which Included the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence & online for all to source. You people are Nobodies & clearly y’all are not very bright so just get over yourselves & leave this family In Peace. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. Reddit & the videos are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, the Same false & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are ignorant, hateful, gullible, cruel & then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid.

@@bethryan9077 I’m sorry you feel that way. I don’t know what you mean by hate filled. I hadn’t even stated my opinion. Exploring possible theories (and this channel hasn’t just explored the family) is not slanderous.

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

When my daughter was three the little neighbor boy she played with was swinging a hoe and she got too close, lacerated her scalp, she looked like Carrie's prom- I nearly fainted, they weren't even fighting, just playing. I got my head concussed by standing behind my little friend's baseball bat when I was four, knocked me cold. These things happen, even without anger or intent.

I thought Burke was into the strangulation thing. A sexual or semi sexual thing, and had probably done this before. But this time, he ended up killing her, or nearly so. Or even did it on purpose. Ppl don't like to think that young ppl can have sadistic fantasies, but it's fairly common. And Burke knew knots and practiced them.

Yeah John & Patsy come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & according to all the Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. There are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for nearly 26 Years & without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world sure Is.

Interesting, the note itself is very bizarre!

Satan Behold Thy Creation ... It was the first thing that popped in my mind. Now what says that about me? 😄

@@Jamie77ize welcome to the dark side...🤠

@@anteaters-R-usThank you! it's warm & toasty here 😁

SBTC was also a military base where John had been stationed in the Philippines (I think).

@Christopher Meisner JB did Not wet the bed. Patsy adored her precious daughter. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked & tasered in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured with the bondage device, it was Not a garrotte. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar, then the 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons. The 1st caused the huge fracture, the 3rd caused the hole. Glen Meyers was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a grudge against John in relation to family in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money paid. 2 from the corner house got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to dinner. 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.

Patsy loved to wear red for Xmas & had bought a new red sweater that had baubles on it. She wore that & black pants to the White's Xmas dinner. Her & John were up so early on the 26th because they were all heading to the plane to go to their holiday house. They were picking up the older kids at Minneapolis airport & all flying on to Charlevoix for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving. No doubt she wore the red sweater for that trip, to show it of again. She was dressed, make-up on & ready to go when she went down the stairs & found the note. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent

@stephenrafter1980 Patsy certainly didn't stay up all night torturing, sexually assaulting and murdering JonBenet whilst wearing the same clothes from the night before. JonBenet put up a fight and those clothes would've gotten damaged. Plus she was murdered in a dirty basement. Clothes would've got dirty too. She had dinner with the White's the night before and they saw her in the morning. They didn't say anything was different about the clothes.

And yet I’m unabashedly CURIOUS on wtf happened in this case in particular !! Always will be. The McCann’s as well..I want it SOLVED and to have answers despite it not necessarily being my business

@@slwtgf Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

@@slwtgf - From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago.

Hope work is going okay!

@@ICouldMurderAPodcast as Okay as it can bro thanx lol.

You people are so brainwashed by all the BS. BTW - the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago

@@bethryan9077 nothing was proven that's the whole point

@@finallyfantasy3878 You don't Know Anything about this case, let alone anything True, That's The Point.

@@bethryan9077 sure thing kid whatever you say

@@finallyfantasy3878 You call me kid, lol. How about we all analyse why you have that name. Hmm

The note was real, the instructions were clear, don't call the cops. The threat was Very serious. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed. Fibres from the cord were found on her sheet & pillow & are in evidence. They ran out the back door & down to the back & waited under the pine tree. They ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. Fresh pine needles were found in the cellar that came off one of their jackets & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured in that same room. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. The paint tray was put on the carpet in that room to cover the large pee stain in case someone came looking for JB in the morning. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the large pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. JB was given pineapple fruitcake in the early hours & a bit of the cake at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that fresh pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. In the 'top of JB's small intestine were the colours yellow, light green-tan Fragments of vegetable or fruit material that may represent pineapple'. The ME only said 'may be pineapple' then because Arndt was standing there & said there was pineapple in a bowl. In JB's stomach was 8-10cc of viscous to green to tan unidentifiable material. It takes 2 hours for food to go from the stomach to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy's police interview of '98, Thomas Haney told her the tiny bits of pineapple in the top of JB's small intestine was Different to the pineapple in the bowl. When Patsy called 911 on the wall phone near the kitchen, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near the butler's kitchen & their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road & to the left. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills & John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyers had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known. The crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put on foot back in that house ever again from the half hour after JB was found & they left. Steve Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & that was the first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the broken window was opened after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou mad a mistake about that window that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Steamboat Springs Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers wee widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were out on her by the 2 who did everything else. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit of the tray, up a bit & close to under the piece of wood, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. Matching DNA from unknown male - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. More testing in 2007 & Matching the first two, Same unknown male - touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA Already Cleared them All plus lots of others then & since including known pedos & John Mark Karr who said he did it. Further testing in 2016 with advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. It is now 2022 & all is Known - who, what, why, how & when, 4 involved, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up

Patsy did it. She wrote the note. John covered it up.

@@christophernaumann7145 Matching DNA from unknown male - from under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. Further testing in 2016 with advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramseys wrote the note. You people only say all you do because you know Nothing about this case. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago

@@bethryan9077 there was no trial so the Ramsey's we're not "proven" anything. Just because a corrupted DA's office cleared them does not mean they are innocent. DNA is not the only evidence that proves innocence or guilt. The crime scene was mishandled and contaminated. The note was written on Patsy's notepad, with her pen, using phrasing she had previously used in writings, with handwriting that looks similar to her own and placed where she would be the first to find it instead of a more logical location like her bed, kitchen table, front stairs etc.. Patsy wrote that note. Everything else is up for speculation.

@@christophernaumann7145 You know Nothing about this case, you're just another brainwashed zombie believing all the BS that has been going around for 25 years. You do Not Know Better than some of the best investigators in the country or the expert crime scene techs or the top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD who Say the Ramseys Are Innocent. I don't know how old you are but FYI - people don't have to go to trial to be proven innocent. Jeez. The DA's office wasn't corrupted at all, the cops don't let child killers walk around free. You only say That stupid shite because you are ignorant about the True Facts. In 2003, Federal Court Judge Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. And that was just from the evidence that was known about Back Then. All can read that 93 page document online. The DNA that is in the FBI's national database was good enough to Clear Lots of suspects including known pedos, so, it's good enough for the Ramseys. How was the crime scene mishandled? You don't even Know, Where the crime scene Was. John took a piece of tape off the child's mouth, which is what Any Normal person would have done. How did That 'contaminate the crime scene'? You kids watch too many made-up CSI shows. Who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Pasty did That. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he had many cards, letters & notes that Patsy had given the Barnhills over the years. He had been living in the Barnhill's basement for some time, the Ramseys didn't even know who he was Or that he was there. He invited himself to their Xmas party on the 23rd & took the notepad, easy as. The marker was His. He only had to copy Some letters into the note like Patsys because it was Supposed to look like she had tried to disguise her writing which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact for a start. He organised this crime for money with 3 males from the house on the corner. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. There are pages put on vids As If Patsy wrote word 'samples' & letters down columns next to the letters from the note As If Patsy did that too. All Fake. Yes, the note on One of the 2 staircases. The staircase that the family used every morning to go to the kitchen. According to soo many of you, Patsy dropped her breadcrumbs all over, leading the Cops, Straight To - Herself. Is That Logical? Did Patsy Look like an Imbecile? For the Real investigators, the note was the First red flag that the Ramseys were Never Involved. Steve Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before. He was only brought in 3 days later because the present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He Thought he was going to make a name for himself from the high profile crime & constantly talked about the book he was going to write. Finding Known drug users & Known drug dealers does Not compare to solving a complex ransom & murder case. The BPD went into damage control because Their cops Should have found JB early that morning & so, the BS began. The Real Experts Proved the Ramseys Innocent a long time ago. It is Way over time to leave the family In Peace.

Bonus for the year of 96

@@kellyjacquin715 That amount was near his bonus for '95 & it was paid to John in March '96 then on his pay stubs each month of '96.

No, that was for '95

All Ramseys were cleared by the DNA which also cleared lots of others then & since. They were finally publicly exonerated due to all of the evidence that showed someone was in the house. It is 2021, 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. The BPD took that note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 private experts. All said Patsy didn't write the note. Thomas just thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & yet he was an ex-narcotics officer who had Nil experience with any murder before so he just leaked certain photos & constant misinformation to sway the Public. He later Illegally took evidence material from the BPD because he was writing a book of bs. And so, More rumours were born. It all continues to this day. I have posted the details about this case above, Known Facts, not some theory I made up. .

The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all said 4 No Ramsey wrote the note. JB wore certain outfits for the Pageants. At those pageants - mothers, grandmothers, aunties, sisters, female friends. Some unscrupulous ahole Sold the videos of her at a few of the pageants to the media. FYI - From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, the DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs - unknown male DNA & Matching from - under JB's fingernails, saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants, touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is Hispanic. These 2 left town within the week. One was 17 at the time & came to the U.S. from Puerto Rico when younger with his family. The other one was 24, white guy with fair hair. He was Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard when they left. Another vital Fact that has been swept under the rug because so many ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon & wrote books of BS for Financial Gain. All that false & misleading information, transferred to TV for the Same reason. And so, onto Utube ‘shows’. The brainwashing of the public began a Long time ago.

He admitted the mail come to the home through aa mail slot in the front door. Det. Arndt saw him reading it. I think he found JonBenet, new Patsy did it, and he put her in the wine cellar. He was hoping the police would find her, when they didnt, he went straight to her. Because he moved her there.

@@kellyjacquin715 Isn't that giving him quite a lot of credit? If the murder was committed by either John or Patsy in the house, it would be impossible to hide, and the other knew and was complicit. That spiderweb Ben mentioned is very important, there is no way an intruder could have gotten in without breaking that web. I don't think the intruder theory holds any water unless it was someone the family trusted and had allowed into the home, but even then... middle of the night on Christmas Day?

@@PaulA-yw6lx there was no intruder.

@@kellyjacquin715 Do you think Patsy was the actual killer of JonBenet? What makes you think that, and what makes you believe she acted alone and that John wasn't involved in the murder itself? Sorry, I know this case has kind of been left open-ended (in part because of very poor police supervision), but I am interested in theories and discourse about what might have happened. Also, what do you make of the Burke theory? I can't say that I believe that one; but without any clear answers I suppose anything is possible.

@@PaulA-yw6lx Red Dragon Gnosis, helped me to beleave she did. All the signs kept pointing to her. Ive researched this since Dec 27, 1996. It all comes back to Patsy. Even if you took away that stupid randsome note, everything else keeps coming back Patsy. I dont think Burke was envolved, but just like John, he knows who did kill her. Thats why he wasn't scared. John paid to keep people from finding out the truth. Now he is broke, Patsy is dead too, and Burkes still weird. Imo.🤔

Plus you realize one of the books found in the Ramsey home involved a kidnapping complete with a ransom note. And the note started with none other than the infamous "Listen carefully "

@@monicshastings8945 I didn't know that! Completely unsurprised though. There's no way on Earth that someone breaks into a home, murders a child, then sits down to write a nonsensical "ransom note". Obviously I don't know what happened, but it certainly involved the parents.

I suspect this letter was actually a script they intended someone to read over the phone. Then the plan changed.

@@123gooberpea That's interesting and the wording would certainly make sense being spoken, rather than just written down.

@@123gooberpea very good point, and great analysis.

The Ramseys were exonerated for Very sound reasons & the DNA cleared them all. 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

Yes I’ve always suspected him. Wolf in sheep’s clothing.

The Whites, the Fernies, their pastor & the cops called in 2 victim's advocates. Useless Arndt was only Trying to cover up her incompetence & so, did her version of bad acting for that interview. She later retracted all she said. Her report to the BPD at the time said the Opposite btw. And, she knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m., the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John & could only say about a note & JB gone. He said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies for Help. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white cord & tasered on her back in bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room that was at the front of the house. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours, tasered & vile acts occurred. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position & so much water is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off, used at her privates & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the fragments in the top of the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back-up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs who did an excellent job & taking all the photos & videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. The BPD are holding things up

True if John was unsure she was deceased why no CPR. If he attempted CPR would have gained credibility as a true victim.

@@dennistrull1475 If John had attempted CPR, all you highly ignorant Ramsey bashers would be accusing him of Something Else nefarious besides the Fact that not everybody knows how to perform CPR. Jeez.