The Mystery Of MacBook Speakers 

First to comment on your comment. yeay

Yes even on my pixel 4a I can clearly hear the difference

yeah its a shame the only close comparison might be dell xps but still the bass and brightness on apple is amazing

I could clearly tell the difference on a JBL Flip 5

but Samsung and apple are identical in phone loudspeaker (at least in samsung flagship phones). i dont know audio quality of Samsung laptops

Ya. The audio brand logos and “certification” we see on laptops are pretty much worthless from what I’ve seen. If anything, the presence of those Audio brands on a device is a just a warning sign that they’ll probably suck lol

Just marketing gimmicks…like Dolby Atmos on sound-bars 😅😂

The B&O on my 2019 Spectre x360 15t gem cut absolutely sucks. It's tinny and crackly, everything sounds like garbage. My new 2021 MBP 16" is light years ahead.

I have a spectre and it sounds like a string between two aluminum cans. I tweaked both the B&O app and Dolby Access to make the laptop louder and beefier but it still sounds like shit.

HP stands for Hijuep*ta in my language. Which is basically like just a "son of a b*tch"

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In the words of Dave.. This is good stuff.

@@AxxLAfriku don’t drop out mate

yeah, we need more quantification reviews like this. I mean any reviewer can say "this is good this is bad" on stuff, but measurement by numbers and backed up by science makes the review much more dependable.

Even you're right he should make more

not to mention the slightly dodgy graphs haha

is this problem software or hardware related ?

same thoughts. brilliant explanation.

I was quite persuaded by a lot of self acclaimed audiophiles, Who like to say that good sound is not just good bass i agree somehat, but they make bass heads sound like stupid techno nerds

@@Karim-ifInwUstfu702 Both, but which one more, idk. I will say though In portable devices, software matters a LOT more it's called psychoacoustics where you use tricks to make the speaker sound bigger/larger than it actually is.

+1 on the normalization of the graphs. Seems like you can make (almost) any speaker a winner in this comparison with enough gain.

It is also very important to note that FR is not everything.

I do think he wanted to show the sensitivity of the "amplifier-speaker system" so deliberately not normalise it. But surely it should be done with more control.

How small are the holes on the MacBook Air M1 speaker grills

@@admiralhood8646 They're pretty small

Nice to see you here

On tablets Apple has better speakers as well (m1 ipad pro sounds noticeably better than the best android tablet samsung galaxy s8 ultra). And for me audio is a BIG deal!

I think Rene has hit the nail on the head here as to why Macbook speakers are so good. The fact apple makes dedicated audio hardware and that audio lab makes it inevitable that any speakers from any apple device will end up being great in their particular category. The only other laptop hardware manufacturer that I can currently think of that makes non gaming headphones would be Microsoft themselves with the surface headphones/ buds. My question to Rene and Dave would be if they expect Microsoft themselves to catch up to apple in the laptop audio department considering the fact they do make and sell headphones too?

@@Iwaslemon87 Great Question! You should post it as a separate Comment!

Already noticed with their 12" MacBook 2015 that sound seemed to come from the besides you. They have their sets of speakers tweaked in that well.

*literally every music production channel ever

@@PranshuNigam11 lol as a creative director I hate watching audio production channels because they’re so in the weeds even for someone that loves audio and uses it for work. Yes they need to be for their audience but most people aren’t their audience whereas Dave has a super broad generic audience and he breaks it down so easily.

THIS

Exactly

Totally agree.

I have an M1 mac, 1st macbook. Previously had XPS, I have like Sony, Audio Technica headphones since I'm allergic for the laptop sound and I was constantly using them. Since I bought the M1 I think I had to use them twice because my wife wouldn't stop speaking :D

No offense, but your tv must be pretty trash

Top brand TV's also have really bad audio now. It's like the manufacturers are so confident that buyers are either deaf or will also buy soundbar/speakers themselves.

@@williamg7138 most TVs have bad audio, I think they do it because, customers will anyway install external audio systems

How small are the holes on the MacBook Air M1 speaker grills

My coworker has that 14 inch and I own my 16 inch, the difference is quite noticed. This is my first macbook btw, I'm surprised and addicted to it.

plenty of great windows laptop speakers too. My tiny 13inch asus sounds like a proper desktop setup, those speakers are designed/tuned by harman/kardon!!

@@manuelight lol

@@manuelight they just paid harman kardon to use their brand in fact all audio from windows laptop is realtek audio

@@manuelight nope

@@manuelight Care to compare those laptop speakers to the 14" MBP? 😆

you nailed it! but windows loosers only boast about raw performance and ofc GaMiNg

@@ImpactSpace android too!

the unibody construction and glass trackpad (no more worn out patches!) are what i consider the best stuff that came out during apple's golden age. with M1, i think we're approaching a golden age 2.0

@@ImpactSpace you can use both you know. windows PC for gaming and MacBook for productivity and general use is my go to !

@@sarangkulkarni4963 this is the way

I've noticed exactly this difference when running Windows via Boot Camp on on my 2018 MBP!

Interesting! It’s safe to assume that there’s at least an EQ tuned by Apple to perfectly match the speaker system. You probably loose that EQ-profile in windows, although it should be possible recreate manually if 1) Apple provides an audio driver for Win with EQ and 2) there is no other computational stuff going on. Apple have the ability to perfectly tune things cus they do the whole stack from hardware to software in-house, something which you definitely notice when running windows on a Mac.

This, exactly! When you run windows on it, the audio sounds terrible. Quitte like a generic Windows laptop. Even with all Apple drivers installed. So probably MacOS does something with the audio, or has a different hardware approach

i think the reason that macbooks speakers better than windows laptops is because the macOS itself.

Back in year 2000 people used a tool called DFX on Windows to enhance the audio that comes with highly compressed Real (a video format) video . It always made quite huge difference, where sound from cheap headsets and speakers became much richer and dynamic in quality, obviously a result of heavy computational modification and not as simple as an EQ profile! I think in audio world you cannot get 10 dollar worth of audio for 1 dollar worth of equipment, generally speaking. So here we have the possibilities: 1) MacBooks (Pro line) simply come with audio units that are superior in quality. 2) MacBooks aluminium body, its structure and integration can enhance the audio quality mechanically 3) MacBooks apply sort of clever DFX effect designed to make the frequency response look better in measurement and ear.

Manufacturers cheaping out on purpose everything they think people don't care about: My 2018 Dell Precision originally cost 2200$ (bought new old stock from eBay for 1200$ two years later) and has, for example great screen they originally charged an additional 400$ for because that is expected from a workstation but the repro is quiet and without low ends while the output from the audio jack sounds like cheapest Aliexpress MP3 player on the market, so you are pretty much stuck with wireless phones. My old 2006 model Dell XPS got worse repro than current smartphones despite costing 2000$ and don't get me started about the screen, you probably get a better one on today's premium smart wash machine. Also, the battery died after two months of everyday use because, yet again, the manufacturer did not expect somebody will use a 17,3" gaming/multimedia laptop as a mobile device away from el. plug, so they put cheap battery with a limited number of cycles in, and called it a day... Alienware 18 from 2014 later received a driver update with software noise canceling to deal with noise that comes from his own audio jacks, you cannot make this up, especially when you consider that despite all of this, Dell still makes some of the best Windows laptops with decent warranty service, so you can imagine the quality of components you get on average from its competitors... When you look at laptop screens from times before iPad and smartphones with IPS screens proliferated, you see the same trend of putting the cheapest possible screens even into expensive laptops as long as they were not multimedia-oriented Made in Japan Sony and Toshiba pieces or supposed built mobile workstations for graphics like Dreamcolor display on HP, PremierColor on Dells, etc. So, yeah, Apple pushing computer manufacturers to raise the bare minimum for a long time, yet when you look at Louis Rossman's RU-vid channel about his Apple repairs experience, Apple products suddenly don't look that great either, in fact, they stop looking good completely, and you still need to buy external web cameras on most of the high-priced laptops because again, manufacturers cheapening out below what you find on 100$ smartphones well until recently. One can imagine how long it takes to get the largest (so-called 1-inch sensor) from smartphones until it is put on at least 2000+$ laptops for having some resemblance of dynamic range image with decent detail that doesn't make you look like a beautifying filter put on the plastic doll... The only way things get better is when professional and owner reviews will be pointing out these flaws because once people know about them, it is hard to pretend for users that they don't exist, while when they get fooled by the hype, users are more/very likely willing to defend manufacturer choices with various excuses (like that they don't need better repro and audio jack quality on 2000$ laptop than what is on smartphones because they won't use it anyway) just to not look stupid... With highly customizable laptops like Panasonic FZ-55, Framework, and a few others where you can distribute the cost over a longer period by adding some components later instead of buying an all-in-one solution full of cheap components, there is perhaps some chance to get high-quality components laptops at somewhat reasonable prices even students can afford once economy of scale kicks in at least for niche desktop replacement/gaming category...

I just got the latest M1 MBP's and yes, they sound amazing. You can actually hear the bass on songs!

For real. When I got my Macbook for work and it made that first sound when it powered up I was like daaaaammnn. Truly impressive.

I remember seeing reviews before I bought my 2019 MBP 16" and hearing about how good the speakers were, but yeah, it's definitely still surprising when you actually use it yourself.

Facts

fax, just got the 16" 2021 MBP and the first time i played a song. god damn, better than the bose speakers

That doesn't matter at all 🤣 Speaker cabinet inside the laptop is plastic anyway, macbook simply has the correct tuning with dsp and loudness compensation and impressive drivers with real push-push woofers

First, the sound card and how good is DA converter. Second, the type of speakers they are using. Third, crossover and eq. And the fourth, cabinet. Also, drivers might have some impact too.

I hade 2011 mac and the speakers where the beat out of every laptop I had. I was blown away.

Yea, no. I work with a brand new M1 MBP and the audio is fine for what it is (a portable laptop), but I would definitely notice the difference between these and a semi-decent pair of speakers. You might want to upgrade your soundbar.

@@gilfhunter42069 Or better yet sell the soundbar and buy some quality 7.1 surround sound speakers with ceiling mounts for a Dolby ATMOS setup, that'll knock your socks off.

@@gnaved If price doesn't matter, what brand do you recommend for a soundbar and what brand do you recommend for a proper Atmos setup??

@@PSYCHOV3N0M im not sure about specifics, but try looking into Linus Tech Tips they have quality reviews in the home upgrade series about soundbars & home theatre audio

Bro called me poor and single in 10 languages

not useful at all, who doesn't use speakers or headphones, or earphones...

That would be great. I have a 2019 Razer Blade and the speakers are terrible! No bass and only just loud enough at max volume for my quiet living room, insane! Previous to this one I had an MSI 63VR which was way better. I'd have got another MSI if I'd known what I know now about the speakers in this one.

@@sssaaa9043 your comment makes no sense...

@@sssaaa9043 so you don't use an audio???

@@nofood1 It makes a lot of sense. He's saying most people don't use the actual laptop speakers, and use speakers/headphones instead.

Simply Low pass filter

It's not the technicality of it what's impressive. Your comment is like saying "he just used PowerPoint lol" to someone who was very impressed by a college seminar. The impressive part of this video is showcasing an issue which is very real but it's very very hard to show through a yt video, not the tools he used. And we know that the bad speaker quality on laptops has been bothering Dave for a long time now, so it is nice to see him explaining something that can be abstract to people not familiar with nice quality audio in a very simple and effective way. Edit: I think I replied to the main comment, I was trying to respond to the "It's just a low pass filter" guy.

@@Ganqes Hater spotted

@@AdityaGupta-om8ez naw, just facts. Kellan probably just has never heard a commonly used filter sweep before in a DJ set.

@@Ganqes ok

Apple homepod and homepod mini have great speakers. 2 of them can shake whole room.

As an audiophile myself, I can't remember the last time I use built in speakers on any laptop or TV. Even when traveling, I will use a Bluetooth headset. The only use a built-in speaker has for me is the boot up sound.

well, you dont speak for the rest. Many people love to use the onboard speakers for many things. adding that fan noise is not an issue anymore.

@@ImpactSpace agree. i sleep with earplugs on at night (loud snorers at home) and i try not to wear anything during the day so my ears can "breathe". it's nice when i can actually hear things clearly via on-board speakers. the windows laptop my office provides is half the volume of my mac when it's at full volume, and i can never hear anyone properly during a concall. yes, there are headphones and earphones. but i'd like for these to be optional, not must-haves. let's not excuse bad tech.

Audiophile/producer that uses onboard speakers LOL

For real, I always got lost when I heard this being talked about

It may be simplified too much, but usually low is a spectrum for bass, mid for vocals and high for treble

@@nhs.14 that's probably why my ears love bass a lot with treble and the highs mixed in there

@@HShango you may like to buy a nice headset then, because I don’t think laptop speaker will come close to get flat wave on all spectrum, because iirc it’s a lot to produce sound on such a low spectrum considering how small the size of laptop speaker chamber. There is a reason why subwoofer usually is way bigger then the speaker itself.

Although its closer with Microsoft Precision Driver touchpads, I agree. Apple is better in terms of touchpads and speakers than 99% of Windows laptops.

Agree 100% Apple is miles ahead of anyone else with their trackpads. Even the tiny one on the Magic keyboard case for the iPad is better than pretty much any windows laptop I have used.

there's no way I can go back to a Windows notebook after life with a MacBook pro trackpad. Nothing comes close.

I'm always so frustrated using a Windows laptop trackpad. Nothing in the Windows line comes close to an Apple trackpad. Even the separate Apple trackpad device works better than a Windows trackpad.

I used to think this as well once I switched to a MacBook but nowadays there’s not all that much difference in trackpads between good windows laptops and a MacBook. My current laptop is a Zephyrus G15 and it’s trackpad is a lot better than the one I used to use on my last windows laptop in 2017 (which I used before the MacBook) and I don’t really feel all that much of a loss switching from the MacBook trackpad to the Zephyrus.

I was about to say "anyone serious about audio doesn't use the internal speakers for anything they actually care about the audio quality for", and while there is some truth to that I think you're right. Just because it's never going to be actually good quality audio coming out of the laptop speakers doesn't mean it can't at least be bearable like the MacBook speakers. I just bought a Windows laptop also so I guess I'll be more frustrated about this soon hahah

100% agreed

On point! Even for just sharing a youtube video with someone or casually watching something on the couch, most laptop speakers aren't good enough for even that. I thought I didn't care about that (same as a good trackpad) when I bought a Dell Latitude 7490 3 years ago. I recently switched back to a Macbook Pro (14 inch 2021) and damn, those things make a huge difference. I couldn't even watch some Netflix in bed with the Latitude's speakers because dialogs were so hard to understand, I was shocked at how bad those were...

@It’s not plagiarism it’s the same person You think your usage applies to most people but it does not. There are a lot of people who use the speakers on their laptops.

Yea, I love my Sennheisers, but ever since I got the 16” I don’t find myself putting them on nearly as often. Not to mention there are many situations, when using headphones is just simply off the table.

Then, you must be very qualified to answer the question. So, what would you say that Apple did from a technical standpoint, that puts them way ahead of the competition?

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@@vijeykumar7429 I'm also a loudspeaker designer. I'm guessing passive radiators & dsp action

@@vijeykumar7429 Replying to follow the response. But to add I think the situation is similar to their displays too. Idk how they do it but the contrast ratios on their displays are higher than regular displays, and it does make a noticeable difference. Both my iPad and my 13 MBP have better contrast than my Dell U2720Q 4K monitor, and that is a top of the line model. They are also the only laptop makers which have a non matte anti glare coating too which means better clarity whist still reducing reflections. I reckon apple has a few patents on their technologies and is why other manufacturers can’t catch up, simply because they don’t get access to the same technology.

@@jesselam5867 agreed about the color accuracy and contrast ratio. although most new laptops in 2022 at $700 are starting to catch up by providing 100% srgb, and some like asus even provide DCI-P3 on some of their OLED vivobook models. it's also true that apple provides matte coating options on premium glass display, but most lower end laptops have a matte plastic screen anyway. they might not feels as premium as glass, but also don't suffer from reflection quite as much.

In my experience my 6 years old half price acer laptop sound much better and louder than my new macbook air m1 13inch

@@kvm. my experience my iphone sounds better than my acer predator

@@thesaint5991it may be but I don't own iPhone so I can't comment on this

@@kvm. An acer laptop from 6 years ago?! That's unlikely lmao

I even prefer playing sound on my m1 mbp than my homepod when i work on my desk

And frankly, I think many types of users also do not care. I use a 2021 14" MacBook Pro for development work, but I plug it into a larger monitor, attach an ergonomic keyboard and mouse, and use headphones. I only use the MacBook standalone under 10% of the time, only when I need it to be portable. During which I just miss my monitor, keyboard, and mouse (but its battery life is amazing, I must say) Even if you love working in Starbucks or you're a student, are you really going to be blasting your laptop speakers in the library/classroom/café? So are premium speakers worth it on a laptop? Only if you mostly use your laptop standalone and while you're at home. (And don't have a TV, a Hi-Fi system, or a desktop)

Your answer doesn't make sense. Owning the whole ecosystem doesn't make Apple more competitive, the opposite is actually true. The reason why Androids and Windows laptops do not have a better sound system is because there are way more consumers that value better prices than better sound. The Android and Windows market is way more competitive so if you spend more to release a laptop with better sound people might want to go for the very similar but cheaper alternatives. In the iOS / macOS world there isn't alternatives that similar so they can afford to do these things because there isn't as much competition. This is also the reason why everything comes first in Android. There is way more pressure to differentiate from competition in the Android space so manufacturers are always coming up with new things to get the edge.

@@Tetex this answer is not true at all, importance of components in devices is chosen by manufacturers and Human background. No one cares what the customer wants OEM’s want what they can sell you most effectively. Low price doesn’t equal necessity for bad sound and low manufacturing quality The main reason is human background has always drove the pc market through chip manufacturers and specifications because that is the marketing way of selling Windows Laptops and has been for years. Market being competitive doesn’t change the fact that competitiveness in wrong areas stomps the progress of the segment in the future that is why companies always eventually end up following Apples footsteps in certain areas. The reason why IOS devices don’t come up with inventive new hardware is not even close because of “non competitive Market” but is simply because Apple isn’t hardware component company, they don’t create components and their main focus isn’t hardware but is and has been for year Fanbased ecosystem for longevity of customers. If you make devices for milions you can’t put in the newest technologies because of supply issues, quality check issues etc… it has literally nothing to do with market not pressuring Apple.

OEMs can order speakers and assemblies in any way that they please. Might be a cost-cutting issue

@@Tetex You're right - Apple isn't competitive because they have the competition beat by such a large margin that it's not even funny at this point. It's not really a competition at this point. Microsoft is scrambling to catch up by mimicking MacOS in their Windows 11 release, Surfacebook Pros look like Macbook Pro ripoffs, and not once have I seen people lined up outside of stores to buy the latest Acer or MSI gaming laptop yet people still scramble to buy the latest releases from Apple. What you fail to realize is that Apple is competing with all of the Windows OEMs and so their "walled garden" approach is what makes them stand out and makes them, by far, the strongest brand in the personal computing space.

Bingo. As someone said it above, Windows laptops are a commodity item, and Apple devices are not. And as I said before on another comment, when you're a company trying to kit out your employees with a device, you'll go with good user experience 99% of the time. All Apple needs to do is be competitive, because no amount of performance gain (measured in minutes/seconds) will ever make up for the hours of extra employee productivity you get when you give them something that's light, with a great keyboard, trackpad, speakers, battery life, and screen. When something feels great to use, people use it more. When your engineers are paid $80/hr, an extra half-hour they might stay logged in to watch a RU-vid video with a coworker a good screen and great speakers, you're already up $80 on your purchase.

We don't like apple because it's an overpriced piece of technology that used shady marketing techniques by a ruthless CEO. And yes I've used macs, they are decent. Those who shell out 2.5k on a master race PC are just as dumb, btw.

Same here, the quality of life on Macbooks are amazing compared to Windows laptops. I'm a first-time Mac user too and I have an amazing experience with it so far. "And I believe that’s why many people hate apple, because when you never experienced it, it seems grossly overpriced." Hard agree. I had to use a coworker's Macbook for a couple of days and while it did take me a while to get used to it, the platform quickly grew on me. That said, the 'cost of living' in MacOS is higher too, if you aren't looking at the right waves 🏴‍☠, so I bought many of the apps I'd get on Windows for free (granted, most of them are good).

Disagree. you can put a number. The frequency response, there are lot of audio nerds out their who would go crazy for frequency response numbers. Don't believe me? head on the headphone review youtube...

@@arunashamal the truth is that when people are buying laptops the last thing they are gonna check is how good the audio sounds people just want to hear the words "dolby atmos". dolby atmos means nothing literally everything says dolby atmos these days. (at this rate, in five years children toys will start saying dolby atmos lol) the same goes for andriods they will advertise 5000mah batteries, 120hz screens, and etc. Apple does less hardware stuff and more software stuff and you can't describe software quality of life features in quantitative conclusions.

when I upgraded from the 17" MBP I was totally surprised by the enhancement in sound. The stereo imaging was really good and for the first time ever I enjoyed listening to music using the laptop only.

wait what? u mean a macbook speaker set can do that or just the airpods?

It doesn't work with speakers

Ok let’s calm down buddy. I have an MBP and it’s really good, but not stereo speaker setup good. Unless your setup is a $30 shitfest

Same experience with my MBP 13 M1, I swear it spooked me out a bit when I heard the door open on my far right only realizing it’s a sound from what I was watching. Impressssssive!

​@@MrJoesquarepants SAMEEEE i was shocked on my 14" because the sound was literally coming out from.. outside the laptop?!!! literally like 15cm away from my MacBook

The can also be more consistent because of the few models they sell. Imagine HP testing a gazillion models for frequency response? what is surprising is that most 3-4K laptops can't keep up with a MPB from 2018

Yeah, my iPad 10.2 sounds better than my Thinkpad and it doesn’t even have surround speakers

I think iPhone sounds better than most laptops, which is ridiculous

Yeah very true the iPad pros have stereo sound played quadraphonically.

@@v5k456jh3 it does sound better than a lot. The 3d audio effects really wrap around your head. No clue how they do that.

Yep my iPad pro speakers blow my zephyrus m16 speakers out the water and the m16 is one of the better windows laptops when it comes to speakers...

This some what TRUE ?! Better than anyone audiophile in youtube hahaha

???

The sound of the iPad Pro sometimes scares me. You can even "hear" things behind you. Their audio processing is absurd.

@@LtdJorge In the mobile department it's way closer competition though. Later Samsung tablets have amazing sound quality also, even with the effect of you hearing things behind you.

@@LtdJorge Any particular demos or movies/clips you can recommend? Got an iPad pro recently & want to test out these cool quad speakers 😎

they have headtracking just for audio? that's so cool

PC Manufacturers simply place and route reference designs provided by their suppliers such as Intel, NVidia, Analog Devices, etc. into their PCBs. Apple, on the other hand, will source highly configured and internally designed parts for their machines. The Wintel platform is simply more profitable for manufacturers because most of the components are stock. The cost of R&D is spread across all the manufactures, allowing them to make a significantly larger profit.

Bull****. By that logic, all Bluetooth/RF speakers must be horrible sounding. It's purely done to save costs as companies have realised Laptop and TV buyers don't pay much attention to audio before purchase.

Cost might be the reason. I can get 2 Gaming Laptops in cost of 1 Macbook in India

@@maulikpankhania859 More shit is still shit. Quality over quantity.

They got a lot of tech form the purchase of Beats

It’s the spatial audio feature being used with the quadraphonic (4) speaker setup on the iPad Pros

You run the various audio frequencies out of phase with one another so it seems the audio is coming from inside your head or beyond the boundaries of the device Something like Dolby Atmos or any other format that uses psychoacoustics

I agree from my 2020 iPad Pro as well.

@@CaptainGameSlayer oh so that’s what it is… cool

Nobody even glanced at laptop cameras until the pandemic hit. Covid and Zoom calls are probably the biggest reasons why manufacturers implemented better cameras

The audio drivers were broken it was later said in another video

still shit compared to macbooks

samsung tablets also have pretty good speakers.

I think it u had a speakers defect cause i bought my razer blade 15 almost 2 years ago and they have the best speakers ever THX atmos and everyone that listens to my laptop are blow away how amazing they are My friend bought one for it he’s a DJ and he loves it

@@DToFlyChannel copium

Yeah that's pretty much my takeaway as well. That's essentially what Windows laptop users i've known have all felt or said. Things like the speakers or the track pads don't have to be good because they're using their own peripherals anyway. "Just give me CPU/GPU/RAM power, a good screen, and a nice keyboard. I'll bring the rest".

such a shame how many corners these windows laptops cut. now the only thing I want to see on my MacBook now is some gaming support. perfect laptop in every other aspect

Windows laptop buyers just don't care that much to be honest, especially gaming laptop buyers. And the funniest part is that they kept complaining about how expensive Apple products are and complete ignore these small but important aspects that an average laptop user actually needs. What they care is just specs like CPU RAM GPU and SSD, not even display since most of them would just hook up their own monitors anyway.

@@VMYeahVN also applies to batteries on them too, apple put on the 16 inch MacBook Pro the biggest battery cell you can legally put on an aircraft, meanwhile on most high performance windows laptops, about 4ish hours on a charge with reduced performance, not to mention the amount of wasted space you see on them around the battery area

@@GlaciaDay the average laptop user is getting $500 laptops.... let alone they are not getting all their media from a laptop but from their phone...