Centaur is S tier, its integral to high level 1v1 early game with Zeus and Posiedon, especially vs other greek, you'll rarely see multiple centaur not trained or used. And it costs only wood and favour, which gathers quickly, not food, which you need.
How in centaur not instantly S tier being part of so many strats where you spam them, run around and harras and then once the fight comes, they still hold their own in groups.
Because they're quite frail without support and they're quite expensive for what they're able to do. Massable heroes like hersir and priests can take them down easily, so at their best they're only either support units or raiders.
@@jamesonpearson123 It depends on who you're up against and how long into the match it is. The Classical myth units for Norse wouldn't even be considered (outside of Valkyrie) if not for Loki summoning them at random. Einherjar is good but it's behind likely the most situational of the CA gods, and the inverse is true for Forseti (especially for Loki players).
@@Goldenblade14 Centaurs easily S tier. They have the mobility to offset their frailness and to escape from heroes.Their mobility means you almost always get to pick your fights and choose when to engage, unless your buildings are being threatened and you're forced to fight. And no unit will ever work without support lol, i dont see the logic there. As far as classical myth units go, theyre easily the best. And no theyre not that expensive lol. They don't cost food which allows for a smoother up time to Heroic Age. They're easily the best raiding unit in Classical age while also having very solid DPS in actual fights vs opposing armies; they're not exclusively raiders. Youre better off going for Centaurs than Toxoti.
@@dirkauditore8413 but then you take into account their special attack that hampers their utility because of having to wait for the shot to go off. You can't hit and run effectively when you have to wait a solid 4 seconds. Solid for snipes from afar but terrible for their "cavalry archer" use. Pros know this too, because centaur players will almost never pick up the -25% special recharge relic because they're too hampered by it.
Yes frost giants are insane. Not only do they freeze but theyre crazy strong in melee combat after they've used their special ability. Unlike most 1 hit ko units that are kinda weak after their special ability is used.
I feel like Lampades might be a bit underrated here because she doesn't just one-hit KO, she turns the target of her special into the other player's problem. That Chaos effect can do a *lot* of damage if it's applied to the right units.
@@OhSayWhatIsTruth Medusa is more expensive and more difficult to mass than Lampades (same gold, but 32 vs 25 favor). They have the same range so the Medusa doesn't necessarily have advantage over Lampades. In fact, using chaos on Medusa will likely turn that special attack against one of your foes' own units. While a guaranteed instakill is fantastic, it's better to turn their loss into a new obstacle.
Exactly. And I've heard some people respond "Yeah, so? Then the unit will just be fighting you" *My brother in Christ, it was already fighting me, at least now it can fight the enemy too*
I know we're not including upgrades, but a Zeus minotaur with Labyrinth of Minos and Monstrous Rage (and maybe Bacchanalia as just a bonus) is quite powerful. It trains relatively fast, only costs 150 food and 14 favor, has fantastic hack and crush damage and with sufficient food and favor income can be spammed. It's very comparable to the cyclops with an HP vs favor cost tradeoff.
My Tierlist: Never Make F: Nemean Lion, Petsuchos, Troll, Man O' War, Dragon Turtle, Caladria, Vermillion Bird (OP before nerf, UP after nerf but please don't bring them back) Very niche applications or situations, counter unit D: Cyclops, Hydra/Scylla, Wadjet, Anubite, Roc/Leviathan, Valkyrie, Einherjar (they are carried entirely by Loki players, otherwise never make), Jormund Elver, Lampades, Servant, Pixiu, Phoenix Some general applications, I'd make more than one C: Manticore, Mummy, War Turtle, Kraken, Mountain Giant, Fenris Wolf Brood, Promethean, Automaton, Behemoth, Nereid, Terracotta warrior, Monkey King, Quilin, Jiangshi More generally applicable, preferred unit B: Chimera, Minotaur, Scorpion Man, Scarab, Ice Giant, Battle Boar, Satyr, Argus, Heka Gigantes, White Tiger, Azure Dragon Objectively the best choice except in niche situations or applications A: Centaur, Colossus, Medusa, Avenger, Sphinx, Fire Giant, Stymphalion Bird, Niddhogg, War Salamander (still broken, even after nerf), Dryad/Minions Talky talk: F Tier Nemean Lions have a trash special attack, are tanky but don't do damage. Petsuchos are too slow and expensive to do anything, they would be an enemy myth sniper but again too slow and not powerful enough. Trolls/Man O' Wars/Dragon Turtles are too expensive for what they do, but aren't that bad by themselves, opportunity cost. Let's just pretend Vermillion Birds don't exist. Caladria are useless, Atlanteans don't need a healer (heroes and myth can regenerate, and in general are supported by a very strong Atlantean economy) and they're too expensive to be flying scouts (Pegasus laugh at thee). D Tier Cyclops suffer from coming too early in the game, if they were a heroic myth with compensated stats they would be amazing (insta kill that does area damage? Sign me up). Hydra/Scylla usually don't stay alive long enough to grow 5 heads, but when they do they one or two shot most human units/ships. Wadjet are superior to Petsuchos in every way, it's just that a slow but strong archer just isn't very good when it's squishy, a group of 2-3 can do a lot of work in the early game. Anubites can be deadly raiders, but otherwise fall flat (pun intended, the devs accidentally invalidated their role by introducing Khopesh swordsmen). Roc/Leviathans are transports, the Roc gets a point for being able to speedily deliver slow siege or elephants. Valkyries are good for healing precious giants, but otherwise I'd rather make raiding calvary, though Valkyries get a point for being the only useable Norse classic myth. Einherjar battlehorns help make Loki hersir pushes scarier, but otherwise completely fail to do what they're supposed to do (they're just too slow and don't do enough damage). Jormund Elver are pretty cheap, do great damage, can sort of raid the shore sometimes, but suffer from being a water unit. Lampades can be ok for insta killing big targets, but it's not a kill, so the value is lessened, I'd rather have a mummy/medusa/argus. Servants get a nod for being able to take down docks in classical (they actually have a bit of crush damage), but otherwise don't have a use. Pixiu don't really generate that much gold, but at least do something more than the Nemean lion they reskin. Phoenix used to OP against Norse as mentioned in the video, but now is trash after the "Axe of the Gods" upgrade was given to Throwing Axeman (bonus damage against flyers, literal counter). C Tier Manticores are a decently powerful ranged attacker (3x projectiles and area special) when massed, but the mass is slow to achieve, benefits a lot from monstrous rage. Mummies have one of the best specials in the game (insta kill that gives you a minion) but are squishy for their cost and don't really do damage with normal attack. War turtles are decently tanky, and their fling special helps win ranged ship battles. Krakens have an insta kill and are quite tanky for their cost, great upgrade. Mountain giants are the best tank/siege unit in the game, even heroes don't take them down quickly, but don't do that much damage (lol for their special against dwarfs, very nice touch, why can't they kick other units?). Fenris wolf brood are quite scary when massed (8-10), the mass is hard to achieve, but are reasonably effective even in groups of 3-4 (mostly because their speed increases along with damage). Prometheans/Automatons/Terracotta warriors/Monkey kings/Quilin all get a point for being the cheapest and spammable, with reasonable secondary effects (Kings stun, Prometheans split, Automatons resurrect, Terracotta do area damage on death and refund cost, Quilin heal on death) but quickly fall off against heroes or heroic age human units. Behemoths are tankier than scarabs, but not as cost efficient, I would definitely make 2-3 to take down a Town center but not more than that. Jiangshi are an interesting case, their low health and leech life means they counter their counters harder (other myth, and surprisingly good against buildings), but are fodder against heroes or ranged myth and generally don't hold up against human soldiers. B Tier Chimera have a great special attack, and are generally tanky enough to get off several during a fight, good upgrade. Minotaurs are the most cost-efficient myth unit with a decent special attack, great stats, and a great upgrade, but they're not OP due to favor economy and it takes awhile to get going. Same argument for scorpion men, though their special attack is pretty trash. Scarabs are wonderful against buildings, and are borderline broken if the player can acquire the Scarab pendant relic. Ice Giants are great for neutralizing a big damage target, and are decently effective while waiting for their frostbreath cooldown (pun intended). Battle boars are pretty tanky, and the fling special is better against land units, and in particular is good for infantry/calvary heavy Norse armies who can get a better surround on flung units. Satyr are slightly worse Manticores, but have a better special and are more easily affordable by Atlanteans, Greeks would rather make Manticores but Egyptians and Norse would prefer them over Trolls and Wadjets. Argus are tanky with a fast recharging insta kill special, have a great upgrade, pick them as a counter to enemy heavies. Heka Gigantes have a great special (also the only special that affects heroes) and do a boatload of damage, but they're a lot more fragile than their high health suggests. I would definitely make 2-3, but not more than that. White Tigers are what Anubites always wanted to be, they're just a bit slow to mass, have a great upgrade. Azure dragons, appropriately enough, are basically Chinese Chimeras, but are in B tier because they don't perform as well and are a lot more expensive. A Tier Centaurs are tied with Fire Giants as the best myth units in the game for how they perform. They're cheap, literally a calvary archer, have a good special, have good upgrades, and compliment Greek human units (Posiden likes Hermes cav techs and Centaurs can keep up with Hippokon, Zeus likes having a strong classical archer because toxetes aren't that great in early game, Hades doesn't get them but also doesn't want them), and can run away from heroes (even Atlanta and Bellerophan struggles to chase them). Colossi are the Greek Mountain Giants, but pack more stats for the same comparable cost, and Hephestus is worth picking even without Colossus. Medusa are a bit expensive, but have an insta kill and do good damage while on cooldown, and they're ranged so they're more likely to survive to pull off multiple petrifies. Avengers are the strongest individual Egyptian myth, and while their special attack isn't great it doesn't suffer from the horribly long animation that Sphinxes have, they have good stats and are speedy. Fire giants are the best myth unit, great special, great stats, great damage against everything, only held back by Norse favor economy. Stymphalion Birds are a little squishy, but do so much ranged damage and are immune to melee, which is significant for squishy archers. Niddhogg gets a shoutout for being awesome, a literal god power. War salamanders are highly mobile (surprise water crossings) and very cheap for their high health and decent stats (even after the nerf). Dyrads are limited but are the only myth that doesn't cost favor and train very quickly for decent stats, good defensive potential or to help keep up pressure on a push. Minions are also limited, only getting a shoutout for the Eclipse + Ancestors god power combo, which is quite powerful. S Tier Polyphemus, technically a hero, but is the only unit in the game who can reasonably 1v1 a titan, and is a good boi.
Hello Boit, awesome content bro. Love watching your videos daily while i try to improve in AOM. One question tho, which patch is used mostly for playing online? Is it voobly 1.03 or 5.0?
a little bit late, but as someone who wanted to use this to get some information about aom pvp, I would have wanted some more analysis on how every unit is actually used and why that is good or bad
Centaurs are super good for rushing. Cyclops are weird because you can actually use them better late game once your economy is better. Seeing as how they can instant kill enemies and do aoe damage on throws, they can be better later on. Automatons can heal themselves and revive fallen Automatons which makes them great for defense. Set-up some defenses, put them near a guard tower or something and they will probably survive and revive during any conflict. They are a unit that saves money over time but not super effective immediately.
Hey, love your Tierlist Played high ranked on vanilla AoM back in the day, so seeing people still talking about the competitive side of the game now is a nostalgia bomb Side note: can you explain some of the strategy you mention with the unit? Like I didn't know the roc was nerfed and how it works nowadays
ive bene really like your latest tier list series. gonna be sad when its not longer fresh in a few months. even though it has no reason to not be fresh anymore by that time
Automaton works best IN classical age, but it absolutely demolishes as a defender. With tower help, they cut through pretty much all human units, and the ability to rebuild one another is a huge boon between waves.
it's a cheap unit that is way better at defending the area than Promethean for sure as that range defense makes it harder for archers to take them down and towers can't do any damage worthwhile against them making them excellent at dealing with defenses if supported with archers only range heroes could defeat this strait for the long term. it works too well against the AI as long as they aren't Norse. there upgrades are pretty cheap too just got to get enough towns going to really start rolling.
I love using myth units with instakill abilities like medusas/argus/mummy to kill other myth units or tanky egyptian elephants, great value but requires position control
Thing is when the Lapade converts a unit their ability refreshes so if you can hit a Chimera it will burn the entire formation of if you hit a one shot kill myth unit you can potentially take out two enemy units with a good roll
I think Heka Gigantes is S tier, above Avenger and maybe above Chimera. Colossus A tier, above the one hit wonders because they wouldn't even be there without the Colossus. While i do think Satyr is kind of underrated, i don't think it and Petesuchus are that high. Petesuchus way to slow and you can dodge his attack by walking out of range because his animation takes so long. Centaurs should be above Anubites, idk how that can even be a question, Anubites take ages to kill a single villager and miss their jumps all the time
@UC9ThKEWW6qtovXf6vfNrNIw Colossi are very good against buildings, and kinda good against siege, but otherwise I don't think they're worth as much as Heka Gigantes. They are fine against buildings, even better against siege and much stronger against enemy units,especially when you have a lot of Arcus. Only downside is their low armor
Heka gigantes S tier and colossus A tier? Gold colossus is better overall tham heka gigantes. I think he ranked petsuchos that high because he didn't judge it by itself (like he should imo) but together with roc. Satyrs are really good but I'm not sure where I would put them... Between centaurs and anubites it's 50/50. You have to micro the anubites much more but the opponent also has to micro much more to defend from them. And you might be able to get more kills with the centaurs or with the anubites. Centaurs aren't as strong as they used to be.
@@derfret1365 Heka gigantes has the highest attack in the game by far. Gold colossus has the highest durability in the game by far. They cost the same. On voobly gold colossus can beat heka gigantes by a small margin. On steam heka gigantes can beat gold colossus by one hit only. Heka gigantes is slightly faster and has his spacial that bash away even heroes. Gold collosus can eat to regen and his armor against pierce damage is literally double. They are pretty even but there are more situations where gold colossus is more useful than heka gigantes. Even though they are not nearly as strong as heka gigantes they take forever to kill without an instant kill unit and that's more important. That's just my opinion.
IMO centaurs are the best classical age myth unit. They can raid, harass, do severe eco damage, are spammable and cheap, and theyre also good in actual fights against the opposing army
@@yuuhanmicu5737 Heka is better..In EE I found Colossus little weak he have only use vs Buildings he can't beat nobody..Also you must res 2upg and it's costly for not much
I am by no means a pro player or even a good player, but I've always found fenris wolf brood super overpowered once you have like 8 or more of them, and they seem super spammy for a 4th age myth unit. Also I believe medusa is the most overpowered myth unit in the game by far. Great stats, high piercing damage, also deals crush damage. Even without the insta-kill ability it is a very strong myth unit, but considering it also can insta-kill, i think it should be an easy win for medusa in terms of power. Now the problem is I'm not sure if it is more economy-friendly compared to mummy who is obviously inferior but might be a bit more cheap, idk.
they are quite fast you could destroy all the houses before the enemy could move their army to engage even if they do you could easily run away since no hero is faster than the pack. only camels with specifically built speed and relic could by themselves catch up with them but they would easily get crushed anyways.
Ok so im seeing voobly vs steam and im kinda new to aom content. So is the playerbase like 50/50 on this or is one obviously more popular then the other? Would have loved to see chinese mythunits rated as well just to get more content :)
I really wish Boit would play the AOM Expanded Mod. A lot of ne'er-do-well myth units get some impressive capabilities to shore up their usefulness, and the minor gods that do get powerful myth units get some interesting gimmicks thrown in. The fact that every civ gets some sort of archer bugs me a bit, but the civ progression is still very close to the regular game. For example, the Caladria can be upgraded to get a very weak and very slow ranged attack. Not very interesting on the surface, but now you have a healing flying unit that can defend itself in battle. That is a huge upgrade from just a weak flying unit mostly used for scouting when you play Atlanteans. I really wish Boit would do a deep dive one the Expanded Mod, since it seems to be the most balanced and interesting overhaul I've seen so far.
Frost giant does not have range though every aerial unit beats it. But I admit it is so hard to tier, because theres are so many scenarios that change everything, I mean best myth unit zhere is medusa in 1v1 (except heros and titans obviously) but 30 medusas get wiped out against 30 fire giants or chimeras because of their special attack working synergetically (I tested it in Editor 15 years ago, trust me ;) ).
I felt sad when you put mountain giant and kraken low because those are my favorite myth units, but then you later said that they were better and I felt less like a noob. I usually play vs the AI, so I don't know how good this is vs people, but I usually push outside the enemy base with Norse in age 2, and then when I get to age 3, if I'm in position to do so, I immediately build as many mountain giants as I can and go after the TC or towers or whatever they have for defense. I almost never use Norse siege from the hillfort because I feel like they just suck, so I always go mountain giant or fire giant. I rarely use frost giants actually, but maybe that's because I play vs AI. Edit: Are frost giants good because you can force encounters, or make the opponent lose a lot if they retreat? Maybe the reason I don't use them vs the AI is that the AI always suicides all their units, so freezing a unit which I'm going to kill in a minute anyway is not that useful.
I say the mummy is the best MU it one hits any unit but the difference is it converts the unit into your army as a minion. Just keep a couple of them in the back of your army one hit any MU and make them fight for you. As for siege MU heka gigantes is by far the best it also wins the colossus in 1v1. And has the only special attack that works on heroes bashing them away. Mummy S tier followed by Heka gigantes and fire giants.
Lampades is even better in that regard. It turns the target neutral and unupgraded. If you use their ability at the right time the target will attack the opponent and that target is most likely stronger than a minion. Heka gigantes is better than unupgraded colossus, but gold colossus is better overall. Fire giants are the best because they are good against everything. You can insta kill them with medusa/mummy but by that time they most likely paid for themselves so it's still worth to spam them. And they are ranged so they can stay at the back of the army and retreat from medusa/mummy.
Mummy is not S tier not even close. While good at countering other myth units, they're frail and slow, which makes them easy targets for enemy heroes. Also mummies are awful against human soldiers.
@@marcushelenius6286 and? While you kill that toxote, there's like another billion other units for you to kill. One hit units are what they are, they are made for the specific purpose of TRYING to counter real S tier units, with splash damage or high health. Besides that, you are never, ever going to train them and use them in your army. Remember, AoE DMG >>> single target
@@frogfrogsonjr I agree with that, but they are great at counter MU and expensive human units like elephants. And they are very fun to raid with put 3 of them in a roc and they convert 3 citizens/vills to minions to raid for you. You can use them in more ways then too just counter the colossus. But other then what they are pretty shit. I like firegiants much more.
Since Colossus has got all of his nerfs (-100hp, -3x dmg to myth units), he’s not useful anymore. Idk why did they do this to the most epic myth unit of the game
Its not just about killing other myth units, its how viable they are in a real game and how spammable, and also how good vs human units. Medusae and mummies are trash against human units cause they will only kill one and then get rekt by groups of human soldiers.
@@dirkauditore8413 no, that is false. You don't attack with only one unit but with a group too. You usually use their power and back up. Also, when ennemy has these units, you will certainly try to kill them first because they are too damn good. And if you are a chimera, a coloss or a fire giant, you will back up if you see one of these 2.
@@PeachCeca and then I will proceed to send my heroes and army to rekt your Medusa/mummy. After that, my 2 fire giants will literally wipe out your entire army. It's not about countering a single unit, it's about units that can and literally will turn the tide of entire battles by themselves.
@@frogfrogsonjr too late, your heroes will die under lightning storm and my mummy and Medusa will destroy your 2 fire giants one after each other. You are talking like Medusa and mummy cannot turn up a game in your favor. Please... By the way, every myth unit is vulnerable to heroes so your argument is pretty dumb.
I noticed this is The Titans but pre Tale of the Dragon. I know we seem to hate the expansion of Extended Edition with a passion, but ignoring completely it seems silly.
@@PandoraKin564 It's not "outdated" though. Voobly patch 5.0 is kinda recent(7th of may 2021, so EE is actually "outdated"? It's actually not, they're just different games.). Also the competitive scene is on voobly so i guess that's why it gets his attention...
It's slightly worst than the other insta kill MUs because they have to get close to the target. You can pathblock them with heroes before they reach your colossus/chimera/fire giant and so on. And it's not that fast so a lot of MUs can simply just run untill the heros kill it.
@@yuuhanmicu5737 their upgrade gives them more speed which makes them hard to shoot them, if microed they are s tier as seen in a game that boit casted a year know where they turned the tide.
@@bensrhirsalah5650 Its not just about how good they are vs other myth units, its also how spammable they are, and also how good they are vs human soldiers. Argos while good vs other myth units are really not that spammable since they cost a shit ton of population and favor, and theyre pretty bad against groups of human soldiers with decent upgrades.
While they have lack luster pierce armor they have many advantages. Theyre pretty fast which means they can engage more easily against their targets, their spinning attack is absolutely devastating against groups of human soldiers, and they also only cost food instead of gold which for a myth age myth unit is amazing, cause by mythical age food is probably the most available resource.
Heroic age: Crocodiles and satyrs are TERRIBLE units, squishie, slow attack speed boars are S tier, movement speed, building AND unit damage scorpion king is A tier Hydra is A tier if micro managed Mythic age: Chimera is S tier, it can kill 2 collosus 2v1 Lampades is C tier, they get clapped by everything and super slow attacks
I like Minotaurs far more than Cyclops... they way cheaper and faster... Cyclops Sucks they slow and expensive also in battle they static and too much time when use special
@@dragondragon5437 the mino special will never go off too, the only way it could go off is when you targetted a villie cuz they're static when they work but any unit who'se moving will have time to move out of the way of the mino between the time he's starting his special and the moment it connects, at least cyclops has more health and hits harder against buildings and when his special goes off at least it's a one shot.. but hey mino are much much cooler than cyclops at least
@@renarddubois940 Cyclops are almost never use in pro games..Mino is far better..Cyclops will hurt you eco, army speed, and he is big size.. small size units are more agile and better in combat
Centaurs are garbage.. They sucks middle and late game.. They maybe kill some villages but they so fragile and you can lose 2of them with seconds that 400wood... Cyclops are good late and in team games they can defend good vs siege buildings and food cost is better late
It's hard to tell between medusa, mummy and lampades. Medusa has better stats. Mummy also spawn minions when they insta kill. Lampades turns the target neutral and unupgraded. If you use them at the right time the affected unit generally attacks your opponent in which case they are better than medusa and mummy but it is not very reliable and sometimes it attacks you in which case the lampades didn't do much.
