Age of Mythology Extended Edition Unit Tier List  

I don't get how its not higher up the list, You don't really need other siege units when you get the Gastraphetes. It has insane range, a couple of them delete buildings and they are also strong vs other units. They are also a lot faster than most other siege units./

I'd place them in the high A tier. I find the trick is not to try and make them the base of your army because their attack animation is just too slow. They're also very squishy, so they get mowed down fast. Instead, you send 5-10 of them behind enemy lines to level a town center or clear some crucial buildings or kill a bunch of villagers, in and out. They're quicker than normal siege and have insane range, so if you can keep moving them around, their value quickly becomes huge.

Almost like The long bow in aoe2 would You Say?

Upgraded Gastaphetes with burning pitch are probably the best siege in the game. Like 6 or more of them and you basically delete buildings. Houses are one hit. Towers go extremely quickly & all of it happens outside range. Definitely best as a flank style unit but they can cause so much damage so quickly and so much more agile than the normal siege

Gastraphetes is the stronger archer of game against Infantry and he provoke big damage against Building.

Same

Indeed Thank you master

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@@craigwilson3170 unfortunately they're both incomplete. I think one or both of them is missing the Chinese stuff and a few of the myth units were also missing.

​@@HiveTyrant25 he plays cd version

RC have a high training time TA suck and shall be lower tier under toxates, what saves them is because they have just wood cost Eggy Vills are better than Norse, slower but they build and eggy economic is about food and gold

​@@aleger620 RC 18s and Hip 20s in Classical, so Hip even worse. Still as I said before, when comparing training from same number of buildings Hip win... But in reality if you consider Norse's better gold gather rate they can exactly run 2x RC where Greek can only run 1x Hip (same food cost). Agree with TA. Sure you have Rain / Prosperity / Set animals that boost Eggy eco in midgame, but this does not change the fact that Norse Gatherers have better gather rates in food+wood+gold than Eggy Laborers. Eggy construct buildings slower unless empowered, the ONLY aspect Laborers are better is that additional repairers after the 1st one contribute 37.5% of their work force - only 30% in case of Greek/Norse/Chinese - and all of them have the same base repair rate.

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​@@ikosaeder3625 I am telling sorry early if the post answer is little long, maybe my eng is not good or I have problem to syntesis about it, I dont know sorry in any case XD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HIPPS VS RC Anyway, Reason I retain Hippo better than RC, it's because about mainly the purpose of RC role is First, They are a raiding unit and 18 sec per unit are a lot for planning an early rush when you have just switched to classic. RC for me , counting all, are average unit at the best, stat wise they arent impressive except speed but it's ok if you think they were designed as Raiding unit, too bad the game changed a lot from vanilla, for ex. the patches give to a certain civ free towers but didnt adeguate at all after the early raiding units, no instead they nerfed more them. In origin RC has had a 15 sec training time, then because some kids complained a lot the devs set to 18secs, too much for a unit supposed or used for fast early raid. They may beat hippo at pair or 200+more pop because of 2 pop cost , but make a little MATH about the cost, you will see IT'S MEANINGLESS, you will see it's not worthy for the cost at all if u are norse, in early classic you dont have the economy for massing a lot them, and anyway as told it's not worthy, in any case and the best way for using them is make a squad of them and REALLY trying your best to NOT losing any of them, so not just spamming them, a decent norse player will avoid at all cost to ingage in direct combat his RC squad except when you are sure to win like some encricle/ closing them when opponent attack your walls , they are expensive and frail, and as we told too, they have high training time for a raiding unit and replacing them fast is not easy. When as Norse your opponent use Hips , depending from the maps etc, generally but not always, you will first taste some harassment from hero/es with their huge hp, after that the centuars spam begin bishotting your vills and then after a little while here incoming the hippos mono spam. What it may make Hippo better is because, mono hippo strategy (+ centaurs harassment) WORK WELL, Hipps are solid from classic to mythic (a little less there and last heroic ), but overall solid, good hp, good speed, very high attack, flexible for raiding or front line, good synergy with toxates and other units. >> RC are not frontline units, they are raiding units, that's their role and not one of the best at all, instead Hippis and one of the BEST OVERALL UNITS OF THE GAME.🤣🤣 And that's why, if you using Norse, YOU TURTLE as a poor puppy for about 10 min 🤣🤣, build walls around your base/ resources and go for fast Heroic, yes maybe you are Odin you got those freak Ravens for raiding, yes you are Loki you have a spy GP for raiding the designed victim and his surrounding, yes seems all about this civ designed staff for early and go go raidings, but it's not like that, IT'S A TRAP XD, we as players we can just adapt about it, and do a fast Heroic a lot of times is your best bet. ( Anyway about early raids, You cant make something similar like Greeks, you may try with Ulfsark rush but in short words they are paper volatile shit in supremacy, especially without divine tech from Tyr and Bragi, and that's another long story too about Norse not having a real effective all around unit differently other civs but that's another boring story.. luckily we have Huskarl ) About math: 50 pop RC cost = 25 RC= 1000 food 1250 gold 50 pop Hip cost= 16 HIP= 640 food 1280 gold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throwing Axeman AS we agreed, They arent excatly great, but there are reasons if at best their perform at best as soft counter infantry. if they were more effective, for example giving more base damage more and less a total damage more and less in pair with other anti-infantry unit , Loki may be crazy strong in classic, and second and the main reason I suppose, for Odin/ Thor pressing Ragnarock for how it is in game actually and several maps, it will be almost like pressing auto-win button, the power spike can become very strong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Villies Yes singly, Norse gathers are more specialized and Norse eco is very strong, I am agree about it but you miss totally the point.. the economy itself 🤣 But if you have economy where you mainly need 2 resources, food and gold, and you can pratically make everything with just 10 laborers in wood, while at your needing you can switch from food to gold 10/20 vills, for ex in your opinion who produce more in farms? 20 norse gathers at farms or 30/35 laborers? You dont need to answer 😂😂 The other wood is massing there for nothing after got some eco techs and made the chariots squad if you macro them decently they will survive until the end-game XD, You have just go later exchange in gold to market and use it for spamming mercs and win while maybe your opponent is making a push with 4 TC 🤣🤣🤣 For your info, with 5/6 eggy villies you offset the disadvantage of slower building time and dont forget the build, norse villies no 🤣 It may sound weird I am not telling the eggy economy is the strongest of the game. They have maybe the best bOOm economy, for about 40 min they domain, but after some times all the gold mines in the map are dropped out, they start to lose terrain and they have problem to sustain their high cost military. If you are using Norse and survive all that time, not just only vs Eggies, despite at first sight seem a raid civs, crap buildings etc Norse are probabily the best civ at very very last end game, for their military pop/ cost, ability to build everywhere, weirdly they have huge chance of success in a war of attrition XD 🤣🤣🤣

@@aleger620 Long post: 1. hippikon VS RC 56 pop RC cost = 28 RC = 2520 resources = 504s training time 63 pop Hip cost = 21 hip = 2520 resources = 420s training time 28 RC > 21 hip Also greek has military academy, archery range and stable while norse only has longhouse. Unless you go pure hippikon norse will have more longhouses than you'll have stables. And if you go pure hippikon they'll make ulfsark and force you to change your compositon so you'll end up either spending more for your military buildings or having less stables than they have longhouses. So when it comes to training time it's really not a big difference between RC and hippikon early game and late game it becomes irrelevant. 2. TA Let's compare TA with toxotes/arcus. Overall their cost, population and training time is very similar so we can compare them 1v1. TA are better than toxotes/arcus against: -infantry -cavalry -siege weapons -buildings -flying units -anti archers (generally anti archers have half the damage of archers, +300% against archers, +100% against TA. For example peltast deal less damage than toxotes against TA even with their bonus damage.) Toxotes/arcus are better than TA against: -anti infantry (TA loses to most archers) -other archers -prodromos So why are TA bad? If you compare them with anti infantry like hyspaspist/axeman they look bad. If you compare them with archers like toxotes/arcus they look good. Consider them as archers and that norse doesn't have any anti infantry units, just an archer unit that can be used as a soft infantry counter like any other civ can use their archers. 3. villagers "you mainly need 2 resources, food and gold" Sure, they need gold instead of wood for buildings. That means as eggy you put on gold the villagers you would put on wood as norse and that evens it out. Without empowerment and rain (Ra) / prosperity (Isis) / animal shenanigans (Set) eggy economy would be terrible early game. "all the gold mines in the map are dropped out, they start to lose terrain" No. All markets gather the same. But eggy markets are free and can be empowered. When all gold mines expire eggy has the best gold economy in the game. "Norse are probably the best civ at very very last end game" I tend to think the same way but there is a catch. Very very end game means there will be no forests left on the map. At that point eggy >> any other civ by far. If wood is no problem then maybe. "with 5/6 eggy villies you offset the disadvantage of slower building time" I tested 20 eggy villagers VS 20 greek villagers and the greek ones were still significantly faster.

Yeah makes no sense but hey that's part of the fun of AoM. It'd make less sense for Hades to have Heracles though 🤣

@@BoItTV ahaha so true. Also the fact the dwarfs are master craftmans with ability of crafting godly weapons or just giving life to their crafts by bending force or nature of things themself ( they craft using echos or scream of mythical beasts or the noise of sea or mountains for example XD) and then... in the game they cant build a stupid norse buildings made in court and sawdust that have half of the HP than other civ XD

Achillies leads the myrmidons during his time on this earth, yes. Zeus made the myrmidons however, and they existed both before and after Achillies, so they are available to Zeus The river Styx, made Achillies what he is. the curse/blessing of the river that flows through the realm of hades, is why Hades is who gets him

@@shanedussault740 Oh, I know why Hades gets Achilles. Just thought it was weird that the myrmidons didn't follow

Hippolyta was kidnapped by Theseus, yet they fight together in AoM. Also there are multiple stories about Hippolytas death, but 1 of which is being killed by Theseus. Which I always found weird.

Jason Hero who is stronger than Myrmidon(400 points with the help of Zeus) cost 2 population.

​@@giannisgiannis870 You cant have an army of Jasons.

@@chrisr4023 It is really.For this you must have and another heroes for killing the myrmidons.

2 population mirmidon

Didn't I do a myth unit one 🤔

@@BoItTV yes i am sorry :D i am always behind a bit it seems. algorithm recommended it to me just a day after xD mb keep it up and sorry

Need 19 pop archers tho kappa

Weak aura: deliberately consider your army composition, trying to mix in multiple unit types and trying to counter your opponent's composition Strong aura: spam Ulfsark all game long, get Mithril Breastplate from Forseti, Call of Valhalla and Swine Array from Bragi, Berserkergang from Tyr, keep spamming Ulfsark until Victory message comes up

@@kitcarson2776 You are 100% correct.

I mean, if you get all the upgrades and bonuses, they are pretty good

@@mickethegoblin7167 I am glad my hyper fixation on using ulfsark isnt actually 100% troll (is ulf bogs jarl a solid army? not that id ever build something other than ulfs)

Hes too slow thou

This is a pretty hard question to answer. Counter archers are only good vs Archers, where as Cavalry are good vs Archers and equal vs Cavalry. So you can make a decision based on that I guess?

Same place not a better counter archer in game, interesting to rate them as Siege instead

He already has I think

Most likely but I highly doubt there will be any differences.

Every other unit not being Ra camels and Odin Jarl suck at late game, S tier for hippikon cause it's a SOLID unit, not the most powerful cavalry in the game

I actually did the math on the gastraphetes. If you don't have burning pitch it isn't even close. If you do have burning pitch it still is not as effective at killing off buildings as either the Helepolis or the Petropolis. So in terms of taking down buildings the only area it shines in is a side build where you can only really sneak an archery range in. As an archer, you gotta remember it costs 3 pop. I'd rather have a bunch of chariots than a bunch of gastraphetes. :P

@@BoItTV the range doesn't given them any advantage over the chariot? Plus isn't there crush dmg make the more effective vs myth units than other archers?

And dwarfs and winter harvest.

U forgot Roc Catapults, man that needs to be nerfed for sure

​@@TheJuliusCo There's a super easy fix for that. Make the shooting of catapult a special attack with recharge time. Still deals the same damage and shoots in the same interval. Side effect: Now you can "see" when it is ready to shoot again. But main benefit: Whenever a unit ungarrisons, this triggers its recharge as if the special was used. So a catapult dropped from a Roc has to wait 4s before it can shoot. Already implemented this in a mod to see if it works, and it does like a charm. Just my 2 cents.

Egyptian villagers gather much slower than greek. With empowerment they gather faster than greek. Fully upgraded chinese villagers have slightly slower gather rate on wood, gold and farms than fully upgraded greek villagers.

@@yuuhanmicu5737 Really? I thought they were just reskined/renamed versions of the same unit. Didn't know there were differences between them.

Come from a spammable building is OP. This is super important and the reason it's at least equal to the fanatic.

@@BoItTV oh yeah i totally agree with the ranking, just that you were talking about it as a 2 pop unit. And I agree it is a big deal that it comes from the barracks.

@@BoItTV They actually win fanatics for the simple reason that you build them from barracks vs palace. Fanatics in a vacuum are the most busted unit though

The Norse Archer is in a similar spot cause Norse all ready have a few myth unit counters in the Hesir, Jarl and Frost Giant if you pick Skadi