The Nadeshot vs Froste Drama Explained 

This video also didn't cover that the mob trashed that house and a video crew from 100T had to clean the whole house when they went for a shoot because the mob just didn't clean anything which as adults with your own place is pretty embarrassing and shows a massive lack of work ethic

The thing I remember most about the mob, is when they were on the courage and Nadeshot show, and Nade said like 15 times that they had to start making content. 🤷🏼‍♂️

sounds like a young dude, who was extremely culture shocked at the opportunity he was given, and chose to maximise the “fun” aspect of it in the wrong ways vs planning how to maintain it. froste had a great thing, just didn’t have the discipline required to keep it.

The arguement fell apart quickly once he said the internet was "sooooo bad", go bother the internet providers, why even bring this up? These guys should really learn from JHB, that guy is awkward af, work in 100T as an intern at first (as in never was supposed to be one of their talents) , but ended up with his own show

The more I listen and learn the more it seems like the mob should have just been making content. Because content brings in the cash flow. Like nade and courage said multiple times whenever they were here.

From my pov. Froste is just a spoiled brat who were handed a pro career starter pack at early days of an org and now reminiscing why his career hasnt taken off and took the blame on the org for his lack of success and skill

So let me get this straight, these 4 kids decided to get a four bedroom house that cost their entire paycheck for all four of them on their own accord. When in reality they could have doubled up in bedrooms for a cheaper house. Got 15% (possibly 35%) in sponsorship money because of the Organization they joined (100T) but didnt do anything to get it themselves but thought they deserved more. Including an extra 2500 for content creation. Had high tier creators they could have asked for advice, help, or scheduling that only lived a few miles away. And on top of that Nadeshot, after being told not to sign them, stuck their neck out for them... And then this man-child has the audacity to say 60k a year wasn't enough for a base pay and he was mistreated after only streaming 40 hours a month while I work 40 hours in 3 days 😂 and he thinks he was done wrong? Only a 12 year old wouldn't understand the monumental chance he was given by Nadeshot and 100T.

Froste is such a melodramatic man child. Glad to see his "edgelord" behaviour has caught up to him. While I do not think either side is 100% innocent, Froste has always acted rudely and unprofessionally.

I would like to believe froste. But he and the former mob memebers hasnt shown proof that they worked their asses off. There are visible proof that you worked your asses off. Also dont start an arguement on twitter. Be upfront with Nade about these situations. He is an adult and throwing twitter shade just adds on to the evidence that he still needs maturing to do.

So what I'm getting from the situation is: Yes the financial split was predatory. But... No the financial split was not abnormal for similar orgs No the financial split was likely not malicious in any way Also Froste does not seem like the smartest kid. For several of the things he did throughout this whole thing. It was stupid for him to pick this fight.

wheither or not the contract was predatory does not exactly matter, they brought in very little revenue from being a small creator and it was nearly industry standard. At the end of the day you signed the contract and you had an ability to negotate that deal. You got paid 2500 a month which is about 30 grand a year as base salary with the ability to earn more off your content. You chose the house, you had the ability to ask the org for help and you failed to do so. Froste picked the wrong battle and essentially lied his ass off.

after seeing this video i have checked the old footage of the first time nadeshot came to the house and he seemed very confused about their decisions about how they are going to use the money. from the house they chose to rent to the furniture and equipment they chose to buy. we can understand here that nadeshot did want to give them freedom and responsibality. i think he should have bring them someone to supervise the fainancial side not hold the money but using it the right way it might could have worked for both sides

I remember when the mob got signed to 100t and was like who are these randoms on 100t, proceeded to never see any content from them and I still wonder why they were signed at all.

Seeing slime's tweet portrayed as a perfect sum-up of the situation is insanely funny to me, he's just based like that

Honestly Nade handled it like an adult, but I feel bad for the Mob cause it seems like they realised they blew a once in a life-time opportunity.

Let’s do the math : 200K deal where they made 65% 2.5K per month for content creation. Let’s say the other two deals were 100K and nadeshot took 85% and 65% . 75K (.35 percent of 200K deal)+ 150K ( 2 other sponsorship deals) -180K (salary) - 30K ( content creation budget)= 15K net And the net doesn’t include all the salaries for staff that has to pay out to help them which would probably be an additional 20-60K based on often the staff had to help. Seems like they realized how junior the Mob was and was nervous on giving them a higher rev share.

I know pretty much everyone has weighed in on this drama but I think there was this one thing that Liz mention that I haven’t heard until this video. it clearly shows the immaturity that Froste handled the whole two years with, summarized in one point: the fact that he thought Nadeshot would send him home because he couldn’t afford his next meal, if he were to ask for help. I’ve been in a similar position before and quite frankly the distrust shows quite a low level of maturity because people like Nadeshot (who I’ve known since 2014 and I’ve seen, is very down to earth) wouldn’t do what he thought and he would instead help him.

the best part of froste's stream was him getting on zillow to look at houses in the same are and finding houses finding cheaper houses in todays economy than the one they were in... also when he was ending stream someone asked where the proof was and he literally said why do i need proof why would I lie about this

4 young guys who were popular on twitter for tweeting funny shit got brought into an organization so they can translate their twitter success to Twitch/RU-vid success. They suddenly realized that it wasn’t so easy to create content (except Classy, he actually grinded) soo they just tried to rely on their salaries to survive in LA instead of earning their own money by producing content. They didn’t take advantage of the opportunity. A lot of creators wish they could have a secure salary while producing content and trying to grow. Most people have regular jobs and do content on their free time. These guys had free time 24/7 and instead of capitalizing on it they were lazy and expected 100Thieves to pretty much be their parents and take care of them.

85% does not seem predatory to me in this instance. 100T make the deals and bring the sponsors to The Mob. All they gotta do is the sponsor integration (sponsored tweet, sponsored video segment, etc). If 100T don't take 85% of the deals, then how tf else are they gonna make money by signing The Mob? They are already investing enormous amounts of money in them. 60k salaries for each member, pay for production crews/equipment, pay for the people actually making the deals on behalf of The Mob, paying for stream/content related equipment, etc. Then at the end, 100T didn't even end up taking the 85% cut. The Mob took 65% for 2 of the 3 sponsor deals. This is more than generous if you ask me.

This is what we call, trying to be spoonfeed. Frosts expect 100T to do and supply everything to them and they just shake their legs for the salaries? Come on

Realistically, if you capitalize properly while being on 100T, you don’t even need them by the time your contract is over. To try and victimize yourself by failing at such an incredible opportunity just shows such a great lack in self awareness. Mind blowing that those people have gotten as far as they have.

I always wanted to see Nadeshot angry. I think the man’s a survivor/fighter. And the stuff they say and do can be huge or infamous. I wouldn’t piss the man off myself if I ever had the chance. I’m not ready for the fire.

Honestly siding with Nade on this one. Some people are failing to realize that the $60k a year each member earned wasn’t meant to be their main source of income. It was just to help pad their expensive of daily living. The bulk of their money was meant to be earned through their content creation. Which was what they were signed for in the first place, to be content creators for 100T. However, they just simply didn’t put in the work. At the end of the day this was supposed to be their full time job and if you breaker down each members’ hours. Classify was roughly putting only 20 hours a week into streaming. With the Froste steaming about 9-10 hours a week, Avalanche streaming 5 hours a week, and Mako streaming 4 hours. No one came even close to putting in enough hours to even be considered having a full time job. Classify barely putting in hours to be counted as a “part-time” job. The entire Mob crew just simply didn’t work enough despite being allotted so much resources. They have to take accountability and understand that what was being offered to them was more than enough to make a comfortable living in LA if they had just streamed full time like they should’ve. Secondly, 85% may seem like a lot and it is but at the end of the day it’s a business. 100T needs to see a positive return of investment and the only way to do that was being able to take UP TO 85% of sponsorship revenue if they were to enforce it, which they didn’t do every single time. 100T were investing at least $240k a year into the Mob and needed to make that money back (plus more) somehow since they weren’t taking revenue from streaming, YT, etc… Again, 85% is a lot don’t get me wrong but at the same time it seems very logical for that to have taken place to even gain something from investing $240k a year into a group of individuals who aren’t even that huge to begin with and are allowing to let them pocket all other forms of incomes aside from sponsorships.

Froste individually made over 120k in 2 years just from 100T in salary/sponsors. The Mob (4 people) made in 2 years, half a Million dollars!!! Froste in 2 years streamed an average of 40h a month (people work that many hours a week lol) Also they had a monthly budget of 2,5k for content. Plus Froste tweeted (& then deleted) said making 60k+ was nothing, basically mocking half of the workers in America!! Froste is just frustrated that he had a GOLDEN opportunity but failed it's his own Fault!! Froste didn't put the work in Simple as that

Surprised that 100 thieves even hired this guy. Literally never heard about him.

You sign an agreement, you get into a lease you know you can't afford, you don't manage your finances, you don't have any responsibility or accountability, and then you want to come back months after the fact to try and defame someone to fight your case? What case? I'm sorry, I'm not going to have sympathy for someone who steered their very slow moving ship into a wall while seemingly doing nothing to prevent it. Least of which someone who has the luxury of playing games for a living. But maybe this is the reality check that someone like Froste needed. Nobody else in 100T is playing along, and in fact, they are saying the opposite. Bad idea Froste.

to anyone reading this go watch devin nash's newest video on the subject it will be a lot more detailed on the facts and more clear on the situation than this video was able to cover but this still a solid vid just for anyone who wanted to be aware of the situation

The Mobs content was just whack. End of the story.

Every1 hears 85% and throws literally everything out the window.

Every time I find twitter in shambles, over some esports drama, about content creators who I don't know who they are, I can always count on the escore esports uncle to spoonfeed the news in a nice format LMAO

Boys. I’m 34 years old. I’m not a famous streamer but I’ve been around the gaming block, a few times. IMO and it’s been this for a long time. I wouldn’t believe nadeshot if he told me the sky was blue.

The contract wasn't great but 100T and nade gained ZERO from "exploting" the mob lmao who barely had viewership. Considering they still let them keep 65%, yet the mob didnt really put in the actual work, you dont work you dont get paid

getting paid $2500 a month while being forced to live in LA is so insane 😭😭😭😭 like how does no one see this

Do they even have a YT channel or a platform anywhere? I searched them up and see nothing but videos relating to this drama

I think while they didn't use the opportunities they were given the best or have the best work ethic the contract does seem exploitative.

The more I get infos, the more I found what an entitled manchild froste is. Damn a stream hour of 40 a MONTH. I work more that a week getting paid less.

I find it unbelievable that Nadeshot would request someone be 15 minutes from his home. To me it would make sense if it was 15 minutes from the office or compound or whatever it is 100 Thieves has.

wait isnt the reason the mob was broke was because they werent doing enough??? i thought they agreed on a budget and a monthly payment from nadeshot. so your telling me that froste took the deal saying he'll receiver 2500 a month and then asked for more when he couldve earned it ? ANYONE TELL ME IF IM WRONG OR RIGHT

Or the fact that 100t we're the ones that did the deals with sponsors and not the mob. They got their portion of the deals made by 100t . Or the fact that they ordered door dash constantly. Might've been more affordable to buy groceries instead.

Froste "We had no money to buy food, but I won't clean up the doordash i've ordered everyday for the past month because its part of my streaming aesthetic" 100T gave them the platform needed to succeed and they threw it away.

Kinda reminds me of the whole Call Her Daddy/Barstool situation. Someone had a chance at life-changing amounts of money and all they had to do is do something they were already doing, MAYBE at a bigger capacity. And they still managed to fumble the bag. I am a man, dying of thirst, watching another man drown

20 years old kids? No that’s considered being an adult.

When I was applying for army, we're living in a $40/month house (divided by 3 because I have 2 other roommates). We're grateful it has a working cr and we have an air-con...tinuous. Many people are dying for opportunities and that opportunity was served to them in a silver platter. Don't even talk about them being in their early 20's as most of the adults starts working in their early 20's.

Mob barely did anything and 💯 thieves paid them the minimum and mutually parted way. Mob got way more than they should have (imagine getting paid 60k/year for doing nothing). Seems like froste is depressed that he was given all the opportunity to succeed but didn’t and now is blaming nade for his downfall

Just a couple things 1.he’s the only member of The Mob bashing on 100T kinda weird 2.Frost found cheaper houses around where they were recently which means some were probably cheaper back then 3.They got a free house for having 100T in their names without having to really work so people saying they got scammed for that not really but ok 4.The “up to 85%” is not predatory because if the deal was $200000 for all 4 they made 3 months rent (a piece) for it and that’s more than any sponsor they would have got at 300 viewers with no brand tied to them 5.Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

Besides the home they were paying for they were making 66k a year. Plus the 2500 a month which equals 30k a year they had more than enough to survive. I’m curious if the 66k a year was an endorsement thing. Or if that was separate from that number. To me this is simply a case where the mob being young and inexperienced in life lead them to making a series of very bad depictions financially.

Man yall defending froste are crazy and entitled. You got an org who is pushing you and providing a 60k salary... 60 fucking K but yall tripping over 85% when they took 65% from 2 out of 3 sponsorships... froste is as entitled as kids are now a days. How you gonna be mad at a contract you signed to make CONTENT BUT never made the content...

I have only 1 thing to say. Froste complained about living 15 minutes close to Matt's house and it's an expensive place. Why didn't they talk it out? How did they even come to a decision about something so complex without properly investing your time into it? Did they sing the contract before moving to LA or what? When I was a god damn 16 year old, I invested weeks to what earbuds I wanted to buy. (I'm 24 now) How did their parents not help them with these huge decisions?

While your coverage is alright, it leaves some really important chunks out. A rep from the Fireball sponsorship backed Nadeshot's claims, Froste awkwardly admitting that Nadeshot's counter to the 85% claim was true with The Mob taking 120K from that Fireball sponsorship, Froste going on a real estate site to accidentally refute himself and show that they could have taken much more affordable housing, and throwing every excuse at the book to try and justify low streaming hours and content production. The Mob was around for two years. What benefit would 100T have by having them be broke and having poor access to resources and internet, at the cost of 120K in salaries per year? It just doesn't make any sense. If they were financially predatory, the method (and numbers) don't make sense as it seems 100T was maybe breaking even on the investment. The way I see it is simple: Nadeshot's response was made with confidence and conviction, while Froste was hesitant and backpedaled a lot.

Frosty worked 50hrs a fucking month, that’s insane and very disrespectful. He was put on by Nade after being a mod and was given a shot the fuckers decided not to work, they got bent outta shape because they signed the dotted line and didn’t put any fucking effort into what they were doing. You don’t go from nothing to making thousands, being put on by your boss, then act like your owed something when you don’t deliver on the work. If they were streaming 8hrs a day 5 days a week they woulda made the other 1000$ they needed. The worst part about all of this is the “85% revenue retention” you should never sign that it’s easy to see that you’re being ripped off

When this was happening in real time I told myself “I can’t wait for theScore video of this”

nadeshot is trying to obscure the predatory terms of the deal (up to 85% cut?????) by shifting the focus to “froste is lazy and didn’t work” whether froste did or didn’t is immaterial; the fact is, any contract that “allows” the company to take up to 85% of a content creator’s profit from a brand deal is predatory.

Froste is a guy who's never has a job where he really had to work he wanted everything handed to him and be spoonfed and when that didn't happen he threw a fit 😂😂😂

Ngl even though the mob wrecked their chances, I do think like most companies that the people at the bottom get treated the worst. Doesn't matter if courage or Brooke speak up for Nade, they're already at the top. Would honestly like to see what those working at the bottom in 100 thieves say because that will be a real judge on Nades character and how he treats those that aren't on his level but really below him.

Was not expecting the Slime tweet to show up at the end. Lmao

Thank you for breaking this situation down. 🙏 thankfully this wasn't serious unlike what other organizations go through. Praying events that have happened over seas never happen in NA.

If a company requires me to live in X or Y place and to live with my coworkers, they need to pay for the housing facilities, with individual bedrooms, and sound isolation, or I'm not taking that offer.

yeah, the only real issue here is the 85% they were still allowed to take. that's beyond high for someone who just gets deals for you.

what I think happens was that a group of an individual adult left the mom's house for the firth time and didn't know how to take every responsibility. netshot probably left then with too much responsibility and they fuck up without a guide.

Love that last bit talking about your take on what we’re really seeing here. Solid vids as always.

Its just words against words. Does any side provided evidence of what are they claming? If not than there is no reason to side with anyone i this drama

If 100T had to know everything bout the house before signing and moving in (and you KNOW they had to), why didn't org step in then? Everything started w/ the house, that makes org responsible for all that came afterward (including the trashed house in the end) which points out the org is/was incompetent from the start

Seems to me that Froste didn't use the opportunities and resources he was given to the full potential and now that he's in the dirt he wants to throw shade at 100T even though it seems to me that they gave the MOB everything they needed to get their feet off the ground and the rest was on them. They decided to be lazy and not work and just expected 100T to keep handing them money for their lack of dedication to their job.

Drama over fun and games. None of this is struggle. Cry me a river. These children getting salaries for contributing nothing of real value and then getting a 120k collectively from a deal that 100T landed for them. Nah, wake me up when people have real struggles.

What sucks about this, is that the Nick Mercs situation is still in people’s minds and people might believe the Mob just off that alone.

The contract splits, if true, remind me of what they call in the music industry as a ‘360 deal’ that record companies get young music artists to sign. It’s a pretty scummy contract practice, but from what it looks like the mob members didn’t put in nearly enough work so it was bad business on both sides really.

So they make 240k a year total. Barely stream 40 hours a week collectively. Frost didn't even stream for than 40 a month. They choose an 10k house when they could have split bedrooms in another house or went further into the suburbs. Didn't utilizing or take advantage of the other creators at 100T or their knowledge. And even though 100T took a 85% percent cut of any sponsorships the Org gave them. They did not take any of their income from streaming or videos. Nor would they take sponsor money the Mob secured for themselves outside of 100T. Nadeshot sticking is neck out despite being told not to, and Frost complaining. No sympathy. Also, OTV was having internet issues as someone else mentioned when they we all under the same roof for several years and yet they still bugged the heck out of the provider enough to get it fixed or improved while streaming their contracts

This is what pisses me off. When people have it to good for them. First and foremost, I’m Asian. As everyone know by the stereotype, we had to be nurses doctors lawyers and etc. I’m 26 and grew up in the era with nadeshot and scump. I envied them because I wanted to be like them. Game, stream and make a living out of it. I love nadeshot because of his upcoming. I grew up in the lower class and my family had to worry about what we were going to eat every night. Both my parents were working 2 jobs and in school full time. I grew up around my grandparents. Therefore, I couldn’t chase my dream of being a steamer because I knew that I needed to help my parents out. If I streamed and 100T offered me 60k a year to stream, make content and sell sponsors, I would’ve fucking take that in a heartbeat. As of now, I’m a machine operator making roughly 40k a year and I fucking hate my job. Waking up at 5, drive an hour to work and get off at 3:30, drive another hour home and then have about 3-4 hours to my fiancé and myself. A lot of other people have it worse and yet these guys couldn’t get the fact that they had it good. $2500 free for content every month, 60k yearly salary by just waking up and turning on a few electronics and then getting more views cause I’m in the fastest growing org, 100t, would be a fucking blessing.

I find it hard to believe the whole internet thing, I mean.. I live in North Dakota, and this of all places has the ability to have more than "1 line" per house. and in the "center of LA" doesn't have that ability?? Interesting take.

done know

and yet froste was on a wildcat poker stream and had to call the fucking bank because he kept losing and taking more and more money out so they locked his account. the dude doesnt understand the difference between losing money to make money (never made any real content) and just straight losing money. (just relying on the 100T check and not doing any real work)

froste is just an entitled kid that expected to be spooned every step of the way. this was all due to pure laziness and lack of dedication.

I feel like they need to a little bit more accountability. I’m in a similar situation where I got this job and I was told I was going to do this this and that and then it turned out to be much more than that but at the end of the day I signed the contract and I have options . I can literally ask for a raise or I can be like those kids and just take advantage of the org being sloppy and doing the bare minimum etc or if not just leave. I think they did the latter and should stop blaming the org but then again I might understand why they’re doing that because of everyone telling them they’re lazy etc and then trying to defend themselves by saying hey look I was in a crappy contract which at first sounded great but then I realized was crappy. I guess this situation isn’t good for them but it is good for others to know about in case they decide to join in org like this one that takes advantage of people who don’t know how much they should expect.

He blamed everyone else except himself for the lack of motivation and efforts.....I still don't know how he even got signed onto 100T in the first place.....

If he got paid 1650 and didnt live alone.. id say it was 4 minimum.. thats 625 a month.. you can afford that.. but im not closing the book shut i just thought that was a weird

Had this similar instance not happened to Nickmercs, I'd be a little more on Nade's side. But I can't take any sides because I don't precisely know much about their business, as well as none of you who comment. It is expensive to live in LA and 60k isn't enough to live there. Maybe the terms of their deal were a little harsh who knows??

Damn. Been using the name Froste for 20 years. No idea someone else was using it

Bro I just don't understand if the internet was bad, why not bring it up to Nadeshot???

taking 95 percent of his money is way too much

So they got a 60k base salary, plus commissions, and an equipment stipend per month....plus they kept all of their RU-vid and Twitch revenue? Sounds like they could have easily been clearing 100k if they worked normal hours (9-5ish).

There's a lot not being told. Those kids were irresponsible and if they got a deal for $120,000 dollars of $200,000 making $30 000 a piece it sounds like they're not ready for life.

yall gotta stop with the "they" its Froste who got a problem the rest dont (mako is away) Class and avalanche say they still love 100T

No one talking about how froste only streamed for 40 hours a month while under 100t employ. Not 40 hours every 2 weeks, A MONTH. The dude was lucky they didn’t find that out and just kicked his ass the curb

I live in San Francisco, the third most expensive place in the US and ahead of LA, and I'm telling you my rent is FAR less than 10k a month. LOL

This is completely unrelated to the actual content of this video, but I am obsessed with this girl's makeup it looks fucking amazing; is this just me?? I need a tutorial or something ong

I feel like this video was way to short and as such painted a very narrow picture on the situation that doesn’t allow real insight into the situation. It saddens me to see a situation so rooted in esports be glossed over as ,”it’s overall a messy situation anyways to make esports teams.” Frosty could definitely have done more and he made some mistakes. Place accountability where it lies. Such a lack of information being given here other than,”this is what they said.”

People wish to get into streaming and making a living off of it. But they don't realize the amount of work you have to put into to make this a sustainable lifestyle. As big as 100T is, they're still struggling. Froste didn't put in the work that was needed from him.

$2500 per month? That’s disturbingly low… and in LA?

i think froste was so rude to that first guy, he did'nt say he blamed it on him and he still trashed him.

Theyre takin 85% I heard, still a robbery. Moistcriitcal made a good video on this

As a small creator, I would gladly take the 85% or even 95% split. Build up my viewer base with the 100T connections and collabs, then negotiate for a better deal.

"We don't really get to see the inside machinations of esports all too often" is just a crazy place for a supposedly journalistic organization to leave things. Are esports orgs fundamentally unsustainable? It sure looks that way from the outside but it's hard to tell. If only there was a website the purported to cover esports that could use a series of investigative techniques to better inform the public. Why are we leaving it to Ludwigs managers Twitter account to talk about this stuff (no shots, slime is based).

Sounds like you shouldn't be living above your means when your individual rent is $2,500. Why do they get to have no responsibility?

Isn't Froste the guy that got on 100Ts radar because of all his meme tweets? Kinda crazy this is how their relationship played out just feels like an entitled kid with a pretty good opportunity... I've seen gaming situations back in the days and they would have lawnchairs and futons with no money but making it work slowly grinding out their own brands until they were self sustainable while also having the orgs opportunities. Nadeshot, BigT, Scump are all prime examples of what sacrifices you can make to make this stuff work. Now that hes shown this side of himself he's done for.... a shame!

I wish they covered what Devin Nash had to say

dude they get paid 1650 a month per person so in what world do you think it was a good idea to rent a 10000 dollar house

Complain at California for apparently not being able to eat.

$2500 a month in LA really aint it lol Are they receiving outside income from the $2500 or is that all they get?

My mom mom always told me you can't blame one without the other. So sounds a little sketchy on both sides