If you love this movie, I strongly recommend you read the book. It's one of the Greatest books I've ever read in my 65 years on this earth. Truly a remarkable read.
Professor Umberto Eco, a brilliant scholar & a writer, was one of the best creators of his generation,a genuine Italian spirit, at the time when tens of latin american, scandinavian & oriental authors were trying to be part of the "establishment". Eco had a crystal clear view of his entourage, of the past & the future, thus I believe, it's impossible to compare him with other italian crimi-writers,like A. Camilleri o R. Saviano.
Ford Burkett I did like these books better: "The Journals of Father Alexander Schmemann, 1973-1983... Fr Schmemann was known for his many-faceted and eloquent gifts as preacher, professor and priest. His insight into contemporary culture, church life and liturgical celebration left an indelible mark on generations of Christians. These journals offer insight into the quiet, intimate side of his life. They witness the magnitude of his heart, his absolute humanity... They record, often with brutal honesty, his impatience and frustration with himself and events, but above all, his liberation and freedom 'in Christ and His Church.' We see a life replete with the effort to call people to live 'higher and more openly,' to become restored human beings. His love of God, deep faith and reverent love of family serve as an endless wellspring shaping his person. Reading these journals we are inspired, enlivened and renewed.", see www.amazon.com/Journals-Father-Alexander-Schmemann-1973-1983/dp/0881412007 "The Shadow of His Wings: The True Story of Fr. Gereon Goldmann, OFM... the harrowing experiences of a young German seminarian drafted into Hitler's dreaded SS at the onset of World War II. Without betraying his Christian ideals, against all odds, and in the face of Evil, Gereon Goldmann was able to complete his priestly training, be ordained, and secretly minister to German Catholic soldiers and innocent civilian victims caught up in the horrors of war. How it all came to pass will astound you. Father Goldmann tells of his own incredible experiences of the trials of war, his many escapes from almost certain death, and the diabolical persecution that he and his fellow Catholic soldiers encountered on account of their faith. What emerges is an extraordinary witness to the workings of Divine Providence and the undying power of love, prayer, faith, and sacrifice", see www.amazon.com/Shadow-His-Wings-Gereon-Goldmann/dp/0898707749/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Gereon+goldmann&qid=1604412079&s=books&sr=1-1 "Hammer of God" by bishop Bo Giertz: "In this bestselling novel, three pastors learn the necessity of relying on God's grace. They fall short of their pastoral duties through public humiliation, self-doubt, inability to accept God's promises in their own lives, and divisions and quarreling among their parishioners. Ultimately each man rejects temptations and permits the Holy Spirit to work through him", see www.amazon.com/Hammer-God-Bo-Giertz/dp/080665130X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1A2KJ9AV0Q825&dchild=1&keywords=hammer+of+god+bo+giertz&qid=1604411821&s=books&sprefix=hammer+of+god+bo%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C502&sr=1-1 "Faith Alone: The Heart of Everything" by bishop Bo Giertz: "The novel begins in 1540 and ends in 1543, during which time the largest peasant revolt in the history of Scandinavia occurred under the leadership of Nils Dacke. The Dacke Rebellion, as it is known, started in the county of Småland but bled over into the Ydre district on Östergötland's southern border with Småland.The plot follows the story of two brothers, Anders and Martin. It was the wish of their mother that these two brothers would become priests in the Catholic Church, and so they were both sent to study for the priesthood in the town of Linköping, Sweden, when they were quite young. It was at this time that the Reformation began in Germany, and Sweden fought for independence from Denmark, breaking the Kalmar Union. German mercenaries hired by King Gustav Vasa to fight Danish troops brought Reformation literature with them. So, Martin became a Lutheran and left for Stockholm to work for King Gustav Vasa as a scrivener. His brother Anders continued with his studies and became a Catholic priest.When the king has to pay his debt to Lubeck for the mercenaries he hired for the war, he confiscates the church's land, bells, silver, and gold to do so. With this he firmly declares his cause with the Reformation doctrine of Martin Luther. However, the people of Småland are fond of Roman Catholicism and chafe at Lubeck's measures. So, they rebelled. Anders takes up with their cause and joins with Nils Dacke and his men. Martin stays with the king, before becoming disillusioned and falling in with a group of Schwärmerei, or pre-Pentecostal legalists. As the war comes to an end both brothers are brought back to the Reformation faith through the patient shepherding of a Lutheran priest named Peder.This is Bo Giertz's masterpiece-written with the doctrinal clarity and purpose of G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis, the historical acumen of Bernard Cornwell, and the psychological insight of Kafka. The result is a Scandinavian Noir that cuts open the soul and lays it at the foot of the cross.", see www.amazon.com/Faith-Alone-Everything-Bo-Giertz/dp/1948969351/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=bo+giertz&qid=1604411899&s=books&sr=1-1
In addition, St. Lawrence, while being burned alive on a gridiron, joked to his Roman executioner that he was done on one side and should be turned over. #BaskervilleForTheWin
That has its parallel in modern times - if you can't win the argument, shut down the debate from happening - looking at you, so called 'progressive liberals'- a contradiction in terms.
+lyricsfromsweden I read the book before the movie came out and was so let down by the film. Watching it was like looking at a 1/100th scale model of a palace that you had spent a week exploring.
+Kim Murphy Yes, but the movie still perfectly captures the general atmosphere, while managing to condense it into 1h30 (which everyone else failed to do recently: Harry Potter, LotR, etc.). Annaud managed to translate the atmosphere of erudition and philosophical fights by using almost exclusively images and short sequences. And that is exceptionnal.
Stan Elwood Roses stand for so many things you can add whatever meaning you like to it and not be wrong. So it actually means nothing at all. Its in the authors notes at the end of the book. Umberto Eco decided on it after "Adso of Melk" as a title was not likely to be accepted by publishers. There is no reason that she is called Rose and you might be making the same mistake in reasoning as William. She can have had any name just as likely.
@@redcardinalist it was after The Name of The Rose that I went back and looked at his older movies and found those. I assume that was the case with many other fans. No offense taken.
lol what? He's always been an ACTOR in films before this, than just "handsome leading man", just stop with your statement right there as it's completely wrong.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Ooh, "lol". I guess that settles it, Stanislavsky! I couldn't have thought what I thought, because you said so. The response by redcardinalist seems fair enough. Christ, YT children. Whip it out, we'll measure.
@@jasonb.6623 what does being human mean lol isn’t that part of the issue? What do we as part divine CHOOSE to exhibit? What is worth exhibiting? What is vulgar and what is virtuous?
@@MacJaxonManOfAction I never understood the hate against dan brown's books, I've only read 2 but Angels and Demons were pretty well written and The Da Vinci Code was a great mystery read to go through. I never understood the hate against the guy because it blows my mind how much passive aggressive hate there is against his narratives and him.
@@masterprophet8378 This comment was especially for you or your kind of mind and meant to trigger exact your reaction. Only people who ever read a novel from Umberto Eco understand this.
Golly gee, and wowzers, Sylvia! I guess you told me, didn't you? Your mind is so erudite, your wisdom so rare, your clarity of insight nearly immortal. And now all the world is a much better place because you put me in my place so eloquently. * yawn *
@crushing the serpent ́s head deliverance ministry I am a believer, too. But I didn't really understand the whole hippie thing, what is that supposed to mean? You're not judging people you don't know, are you? By the way, the new testament is more about how to be a good Christian and not going to hell, than actually talking about hell consequences.
And if you're a teacher, like me, in modern times .... hail knowledge, for knowledge's sake alone- but if you can inspire a few students along the way...
I don't understand how, but his apology seemed to wreck him even more. I think because he was so obviously right and his apology is so clearly contrived, it's almost a subtle ridicule.
What I don't seem to understand is the logic of this time in history. Early Christians dismissed Greek philosophy as heathen poppycock. Then a thousand years later they rediscover Plato and Aristotle and decide to treat them like they were sacred scriptures? The heck?
Well, they actually never rejected pagan philosophy. Christianity, very early on, has been influenced by Greek thought, and you can even find that in scriptures, particularly in the Gospel of John. The early christian theologians, usually known as the "Father of the Church", were almost all trained in philosophy, and this had a great impact on their writings. Plato and Aristotle were even considered to be saints by some peoples in the so-called "School of Alexandria", one of the main trend of Christian thought in the first hundred years of Christianity. Even pagan myth were commonly used to teach morality, and Homer, almost considered as scripture by late antique pagans, stayed as the basis of the school system in the Christian East for centuries.
@@GMovieSeeker They persecuted Copernicus and his book was banned by them. Few hundred years later he is considered by catholic church in Poland as one of greatest Polish people of all times...
@@GMovieSeeker "Early Christians dismissed Greek philosophy as heathen poppycock" Sir, that's not true at all. See the works of Justin Martyr and Clement of Alexandria.
Even if I had only 14 shooting days for this masterpiece of Filmhistory, but I had a single szene with the great Sir Sean Connery. We saw him in his "long Johns" at the Hotel and it was my first international movie. It was icecold in that cloister, but it was amazing. RIP Sean Connery.
@unoriginal thots Stoic philosophy is very much like the old man: Always very serious, avoids emotions, very conservative in nature, very much putting emphasis on contuity as opposed to evolution. Which is why it is called Stoic = those that sit in one place only. Aristotelian Philosophy on the other hand is very much like that character played by Sean Connery: Always curious and inquisitive, accepts emotions, puts very much emphasis on evolution. and very dynamic in nature. And BTW: Aristotle used to teach philosophy in ancient Athens while walking and taking a stroll. = thus very dynamic.
@@user-sw5bq3ek8q The book i'm assuming you're referring to is Aristotle's first book about comedy, so yes, it has very much A LOT to do with aristotelian philosophy. On the other hand Stoic philosophers like Seneca the younger rejected humor as a vice and not a virtue
In 1987 F. Shalyapin son, played an italian old man,a small part in the film "Moonstruck" with N. Cage & Cher. He was just saying "Che bella luna! stasera la luna è piena."
Our lord has not been recorded to have laughed, and it makes sense given his grave mission. However, in the Holy Bible, our lord God is on record for pointing and laughing at those condemned to hell along with all of the saints. Make of that what you will, but I tend to agree that mockery of the faithless and lost can induce them to rejoin the path, make firm those already on it and give strength and resolve to those yet to undertake it.
Funny librarian??? Borges was a funny librarian???? Besides, Umberto Eco was not doing a ridiculisation of J L Borges but a homage. Eco admired Borges.
the bible has parts where god laughs and jesus encourages laughing (if you consider them separate persons). not big on religion myself but just thought id mention that it does say that
All great philosophies and religions share the image of a still point, a final proof. The purpose of meditation is to quiet the mind, to find this still point. It is a human need to imagine something beyond changing reality that is the real certainty, the real assurance.
This is such an interesting point to look at in todays PC culture. More and more people are getting in trouble for making jokes about race, religion, ect. It's like were returning this view of humour as something that can only be used to make mockery of the truth.
@CaptHawkeye That awkward moment when you just proved the first dude right by responding to his points with a barrage of insults and ad hominem attacks.
CaptHawkeye You must have thought you were smart typing out that cringey, rambling and incoherent wall of text in reply to the original comment. But all you’ve done is embarrass yourself online for thousands to see by highlighting the fact that you’re just an overemotional, fragile libtard hiding behind a veneer of pseudo-intellectualism.
This scene is epic, cause Eco makes a clear evident joke, how semiologist he knows what first church fathers in first centuries and Saint Benedict thinks.. upon living in flesh and human desires, just read his regula and the philokalia.. All those things where against the spirit of God and how from high medieval times and after the first millennium saints says the opposite, how Francis, that be happy it's a good thing for our spiritual life etc etc Rip Sean 🙏
Well, I have a shaved head - by choice, cos I'm going bald by nature, as I get older, and it looks better, and to be honest, the ladies like it ! I also know Latin and Greek - quite familiar with the bible- but I follow my own beliefs - ok most of them are very moral and spiritual ! But become a monk- cut myself off from natural human contact ? No - not for me. But I admire very much those who do. I happen to know a few Greek monks !
Aristotle was revered by the Catholics. When Polis fell in 1453 and the Greek scholars fled to Italy they brought Plato with them and the renaissance entered the chat...
In the book at least this is probably the most important part and it’s an important book. Look at western culture today and ask yourself which party was more correct. We have the state of parody today that jorge warned of.
Good clip, but the Lord did laugh in Ps 2:4, 37:13. "The one who is seated in heaven laughs. The Lord scoffs at them. 5 Then he speaks to them in his anger, and in his wrath he terrifies them. 6 “I have installed my King on Zion, my holy mountain.” The Powerful Rule of God’s King 7 I will proclaim the decree of the Lord. He said to me: “You are my Son. Today I have begotten you.[b] 8 Ask me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your possession. 9 You will smash them with an iron rod. You will break them to pieces like pottery.” - Ps 2:4-9 EHV "Do not fret because of evildoers. Do not be envious of those who do wrong, 2 for like grass they will wither quickly. Like green plants they will wilt. Trust in God’s Goodness 3 Trust in the Lord, and do good. Dwell in the land and feed on faithfulness.[a] 4 Take pleasure in the Lord, and he will grant your heart’s desires. 5 Commit your way to the Lord. Trust in him, and he will act. 6 He will make your righteousness shine like light, your justice like noon. 7 Be silent before the Lord. Wait patiently for him. Do not fret when an evil man succeeds in his ways, when he carries out his wicked schemes. Consider the Final Destiny of the Wicked 8 Let go of anger and abandon rage. Do not fret-it leads only to evil. 9 For evildoers will be cut off, but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the earth. 10 After a little while the wicked will be no more. When you search for them at their place, they are not there. 11 But the meek[b] will inherit the earth. They will enjoy plenty of peace. 12 The wicked person plots against the righteous. He gnashes his teeth at him, 13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked, because he sees that his day is coming. 14 The wicked draw their sword, and they bend their bow to make the poor and needy fall, to slaughter those whose ways are upright. 15 Their swords will pierce their hearts, and their bows will be broken. Be Satisfied With God’s Blessings 16 Better the little that one righteous person has than the wealth of many wicked people, 17 because the arms of the wicked will be broken, but the Lord upholds the righteous. 18 The Lord knows the days of the blameless. Their inheritance will last forever. 19 They will not be ashamed in time of disaster. In days of famine they will be full. 20 Surely the wicked will perish. The enemies of the Lord will be like beautiful flowers in the pastures. But they will vanish. Like smoke they will vanish." - Ps 37:1-20 "7832. sachaq... Strong's Concordance... Original Word: שָׂחַק Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: sachaq Phonetic Spelling: (saw-khak') Definition: to laugh... Brown-Driver-Briggs שָׂחַק verb laugh ("" צהק, q. v.; Late Hebrew שָׂחַק, סָחַק; Ethiopic ); - QalPerfect3masculine singular ׳וְשׂ consecutive Proverbs 29:9; 3plural שָֽׂחֲקוּ Lamentations 1:7; Job 30:1; Imperfect3masculine singular יִשְׂחַק Job 39:7 +, etc.; Infinitive construct שְׂחוֺק Judges 16:24; Ecclesiastes 3:4; - 1. a. laugh at, usually in contempt, derision, with עַל person Job 30:1; Psalm 52:8; עַל of thing Lamentations 1:7 with ל person God subject Psalm 37:13; Psalm 59:9", see biblehub.com/hebrew/7832.htm "Strong's Hebrew: 7832. שָׂחַק (sachaq) - 36 Occurrences... Psalm 2:4 HEB: יוֹשֵׁ֣ב בַּשָּׁמַ֣יִם יִשְׂחָ֑ק אֲ֝דֹנָ֗י יִלְעַג־ NAS: in the heavens laughs, The Lord KJV: in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord... Psalm 37:13 HEB: אֲדֹנָ֥י יִשְׂחַק־ ל֑וֹ כִּֽי־ NAS: The Lord laughs at him, For He sees KJV: The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth", see biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7832.htm
"To ridicule the enemies of the faith." Well, Master William, I've been thinking the same thing. Thanks to all the comedic cartoons, like Bugs Bunny, I've been imagining myself as bugs bunny while trolling Satan into a dope!
+Spiegel1989 No, because as William pointed out, the handsome young monk who flung himself from the tower gave him the book "in exchange for unnatural caresses!"
A wonderful detective story set in such a far back time. Also two types of ideolgies at battle here on this scene. One more progressive and embrasive of humanity and one who wants to restrict it.
The Gospel of Judas mentioned many many many many times that Yeshua DID laugh. In fact he enjoyed laughing a lot. Yeshua was a happy compassionate man, not a grumpy hater.
What is correct?: - Life is too short to not to laugh every time. - Life is too short to laugh every time, if you "use" it to humiliate or hurt to anybody else. A very usual use of it, as everybody knows, and can triggers a well deserved smack ;) God is the master, who knows everything and shuts all the mouths. And this old man must know it: Psalm 139 -"Search me, O God, and know my heart. Try me, and know my thoughts. And see if there be any wicked way in me. And lead me in the way everlasting." The great Paul in Hebrews 4 - "For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.". 🤤🥰
Comedy can also, and is being used by the forces of imbalance and destabilisation. Entire social structures and work environments are being created to keep people drunk on artificiality or too tired to question and demand alternatives to correct the harm being done by shallow, one sided and simplistic or foolishly complicated entertainment.
How cool would it be, when someone keeps forcing you to face reality, to slam some terracotta to the ground shouting VERBA VANA AT RISUI APTA NON LOQUI. Just like that. Even if it doesn’t make sense
Loquor latine ! non sacerdos sum, sed magister linguarum. Non catholicus sum, sed protestantus. Love languages, and love knowledge, and give them to the world - in nomine Christi
The bible doesn't say that Christ laughed. That doesn't mean he didn't. I mean, by that logic Christ never took a shit either, since the bible doesn't say that Christ went to the toilet. Absence of evidence doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It means that it wasn't documented.
or I could quote you a time in Jubail, Saudi, when it was actually raining and the drains were flooded, and I drove past the mosque, and its sewage outflow...
It’s funny how he said someone would restrain their cries while immersed in boiling water. Wonder if HE ever had been immersed in boiling water? Obviously crazy and believing in nonsense. Sean Connery has valid points. That’s why he was enraged because he knew Connery was right and he was wrong. Also because his arguments were based more on fanatical opinion than historical facts. Laughter is a tool against many things, evil being one.
There have been men who have been given grace by God to not cry out in pain even as they were being tortured to death. That’s what he is referring to, I believe.
Estimado Usuario, Te confieso que cuando mis ojos han cruzado los siete caracteres introducidos en tu renglón de esta soporífera y ceniza sección de comentarios, has logrado sacarme una gran sonrisa de la cara; tus "siete caracteres" me alegran mucho ya que, excepto argentinos y españoles, muy pocos saben acerca de este homenaje "secretamente obvio" que Umberto Eco "coló" entre las páginas de su libro, así, tal cual, como quien no quiere la cosa. Las películas son eso mismo, películas, y las películas no son sino la excusa perfecta para "inventarse un libro nuevo", cobardemente parapetados en el " lenguaje cinematográfico" y en las odiosas y permisivas "libertades del guión adaptado", una suerte de "licencia" gratuita que dota de inmunidad a quienes de un libro, inventan otro distinto... El auténtico "Fray Jorge de Burgos" es también el fiel retrato del auténtico Señor Don Jorge Luís Borges, El Sabio Más Sabio, Argentino Universal que como Tiresias "el de Tebas", en su ceguera todo lo ve. El retrato de Fray Jorge de Burgos que hicieron en esta película, es aplastantemente pésimo... Bueno, lo cierto es que la adaptación cinematográfica de la novela del Profesor Eco, siempre me ha resultado "otra cosa"... Pero si es lo que "la masa" quiere, "alimentemos a la masa". Por favor, te pido disculpas en caso de serte una molestia, no lo pretendo en absoluto, sino por el contrario, me alegra mucho que hayas escrito el nombre del Sabio Argentino. Es un honor. Un muy cordial saludo desde España.