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Your understanding of this passage is impeccable..l have read and heard this passage several times but how u have explained it have shared a unique light that I had never thought of. YEHWEH blessing and thank you
Jeremiah was also sanctified before his birth: Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Nader, Wow Wow Wow, I never understood it at all like this before. I thought I was heading at some time in the future that I would be sanctified. To realise that I am already is,... a game changer for me. Thank you brother Nader, praise God.
Brilliant message my brother and friand. Indeed two classes of human beings....they who do the will of our Father in heaven (his brethren) and those who choose the will of their father cast out of heaven (the devil). This message is perhaps the most needed and important of all! Many thanks for sharing this...I have shared the same for many moons yet the clarification of who are really HIS BRETHREN is beautifully emphasised in this discourse....this needs to be repeated as often as possible. Shalom
Thanks brother Nader, for that wonderful massage, praise God for trough Christ we become sons and daughters of the most high God, to God be the Glory, May he continues to bless you and your family.👍👏🏻💯🙌🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you so much, and thank Almighty God for that encouraging sermon. I have been praying about this topic for a few days and have had discussions about this topic. You're right, the bible is simple to understand when read carefully in context.
The problem with Chalcedon it is makes it sound like Jesus did miracles by his own attributes of deity. But Scripture does not bear this out. The book of John illustrates many times that Jesus did miracles by the Father dwelling in him in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus did no miracles in his childhood, or early adult life. It was after the Holy Spirit came upon him that the miracles started. Hope that helps.
Now this is how you teach. Just because one may hold the title "teacher," does not automatically qualify or deem that person to be so. When a person can take that which is complex to understand & chop it up in such a way that it becomes baby food for nourishment of knowledge, that my friend is a true teacher. God bless you my friend. Salute
Although this subject my not be complicated for most to understand, but a true teacher could care less, they know that among us are some who may not know, so they teach it to us and them as if they were teaching it to only them, and we may also gain a new enlightenment and understanding of something that we may have missed or forgotten. so in this light, everyone eats good.
I am blown away by this sermon. For may years I tried to copy the pattern and failed because I was taught that the life Christ lived on this earth was example of perfect Christian living and we should imitate it. What they did not say, or explain was that He came with an advantage. He came equipped to fight Satan on every level and won! It is truly a revolutionary idea. So for me... the struggle was not in overcoming but surrendering my life to him so that I could overcome! I've known for some time that being born again was the answer but I didn't know, or understand WHY it was the answer! Thank God for the good news! I am encouraged by the thought that Christ IS our Saviour and not just an illustration of how we can save ourselves! It does sound simplistic but Praise God it true and it is the answer to all my pitiful failings. This is just a great 👍Sabbath sermon!
i watched your video and thoroughly enjoyed it However i came across Luke 6:35-36. . we are clearly instructed to do as God and be children of the most High.
Preacher Only The Spirit of Truth can express it this clear O Glory to His Name! Surely Jesus is The Light in Him there is no stumbling! Preach it my brother 🙏
Amen, brother! I agree 100%. Please allow this additional observation: The word “likeness” (homoioma) in Romans 8:3 does not mean “the same as”. For example, man was made in the “likeness” of God, but man is not God. The body of Christ was prepared for Him by the Father (Heb. 10:5) to be the perfect offering and could have no blemish of sin. Christ “put on” only the “likeness” of our sinful flesh with all its imperfections, but this did not make Him sinful. Christ’s holy nature remained unchanged. Therefore it cannot be said that He had a fallen sinful nature. One cannot be sinful ..and.. sinless; this makes no more sense than the trinity doctrine. One can only either be sinful ..or.. sinless. The following statements from the SOP affirm this important truth: By taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. 16MR 116.3 There should not be the faintest misgivings in regard to the perfect freedom from sinfulness in the human nature of Christ. 16MR 117.1 Had there been the least taint of sin in Christ, Satan would have bruised His head. 16MR 119.3 But it was not the absence of external honor and riches and glory that caused the Jews to reject Jesus. The Sun of Righteousness shining amid the moral darkness in such distinct rays revealed the contrast between sin and holiness, purity and defilement, and such light was not welcome to them. Christ was not such an one as themselves. 16MR 120.3 Be careful, exceedingly careful as to how you dwell upon the human nature of Christ. Do not set Him before the people as a man with the propensities of sin. He is the second Adam. The first Adam was created a pure, sinless being, without a taint of sin upon him; he was in the image of God. He could fall, and he did fall through transgressing. Because of sin his posterity was born with inherent propensities of disobedience. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. 5BC 1128.4
Thank you brother Nader, wow, that is so clear now, what a privilege we have been given. May the LORD bless you and your family continually, praise be to God our salvation, to Him be all glory and honour, amen..
@John Adams the privilege is having the Spirit of God as in Romans 8:14 says For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. I hope that answered your question.
Good morning, John Adams have you got a Bible? So I may share with you the WORD which we all need, cause we are all sinners, but there is hope and we can only find it and obtain it through the WORD, the Son of the living God.
@John Adams salvation comes through Christ, if you believe that the Bible is the WORD of God I don't see why you want my explanation, all our answers come from the WORD of God. Jesus said come unto me you who labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. He's the only one who took all infirmities upon him and granted us the victory over sin. He won victory for us. That is why we need Him, we are not able on our own. If you are feeling conviction of sin, turn to God repent and ask for His help, he'll be more than pleased to help you and give you strength. Remember the parable of the prodigal son, read it and picture yourself in the parable, listen to God's voice as He talks to you. I'm praying for you.
Because this message is not the traditional take on the nature of Christ it’s difficult for some to accept and believe. I think about the message “the murdered Preacher” in that the Religious Leaders to Stephen preaching refused to accept the Change from type to antitype
Right on brother Nader - Sop says "Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. He was assailed with temptations in the wilderness, as Adam was assailed with temptations in Eden. {5BC 1128.4} Also " Christ did not possess the same sinful, corrupt, fallen disloyalty we possess, for then He could not be a perfect offering.--Ms 94, 1893, pp. 1-3. ("Could Christ Have Yielded to Temptation?" June 30, 1893.) {6MR 112.2}
As Jesus had a "rope connecting Him to The Father can we also say that we do indeed have a "rope connecting us to Him in which sanctification is possible through Him as salivation?
Nader, at about 29 minutes you speak about the necessity of being born in the flesh BEFORE we can be born again/ sanctified. wut about john the baptist? was he not born again and filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mothers womb??
Also in Hebrews 2:12 it says "in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee". Only the ones that confess Christ as their Saviour are a part of His church
Brother there is a church. Jesus is the head of the church and the ones that love Him and have accepted Him as Saviour are a part of His church For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23
@John Adams the church is the body of Christ. The hands and feet, the mouth that speaks. Whoever is doing His work is part of His body which is the church 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:18 The church isnt a building or a denomination. Jesus is the head of His church or the high priest Jesus said 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matthew 18:20 So the head of the church is with us. Jesus said He would be with us always. His words are true. Sister White wrote of the church in this matter God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20. Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church 4LtMs, Lt 108, 1886, par. 17 I pray this helps your understanding
@John Adams I believe that would be correct. God's church isn't a denomination established by man's philosophy but established by God Himself. We are to be led into truth. The SDA church was led in the beginning of it's establishment but it stepped off it's platform of truth. It changed it's fundamental principles that was confirmed by God in 1844, 45, and 46 and voted in a new doctrine in 1980.
@John Adams I don't think everyone stepped off the platform then. Sister White and many others accepted truth of the righteousness of Christ. Even Uriah Smith finally accepted this truth. It was just really sad that more fought against it because they were trying to br zealous for the law. When Sister White died and other pioneers the message of Christ's righteousness being the third Angel's message in verity was lost and the doctrine of trinity was brought in. In the 1919 Bible conference there were enough with truth that it couldnt be brought in completely. Ever since that time they slipped trinity in the back door until the 1980 vote when it was voted in
Can you tell me how what you are saying here is different than what A.F. Ballenger and Robert S. Donnell taught in 1898-1901? It sounds a lot like what they preached.
@John Adams Church définition : Matthew 18:20" For where two or three persons are gathered in my name, there I am among them." Matthew 7:28 "And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, the people were astonished at his *doctrine* " (KJV)
I tend to disagree. I believe Christ came as our example and our savior, savior as we cannot pay the price but example in how we are to live. The law is both physical and spiritual. He showed us how to keep it spiritually, by us being guided by His spirit we walk where He has walked. I do not believe He had more advantages then us, He said what Ever I do you can do. Spirit of Prophecy was clear on it also. God bless
The result of the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is manifest in every man's experience. There is in his nature a bent to evil, a force which, unaided, he cannot resist. {Ed 29.1} The Son of God, who is the express image of the Father's person, became man's Advocate and Redeemer. He humbled Himself in taking the nature of man in his fallen condition, but He did not take the taint of sin. {20MR 324.1} But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. {5BC 1128.4} Christ did not possess the same sinful, corrupt, fallen disloyalty we possess, for then He could not be a perfect offering.--Ms 94, 1893, pp. 1-3. ("Could Christ Have Yielded to Temptation?" June 30, 1893.)
Theo Milford When Christ ascended to the Father, He did not leave His followers without help. The Holy Spirit, as His representative, and the heavenly angels, as ministering spirits, are sent forth to aid those who against great odds are fighting the good fight of faith. Ever remember that Jesus is your helper. No one understands as well as He your peculiarities of character. He is watching over you, and if you are willing to be guided by Him, He will throw around you influences for good that will enable you to accomplish all His will for you. - {MYP 17.1}
We should look to Jesus, the perfect pattern; we should pray for the aid of the Holy Spirit, and in His strength we should seek to train every organ for perfect work. - {COL 336.2}
Christ has a human appearance and a divine nature. A human nature would be incompatible with miracles and the resurrection of the dead. It is the only way to avoid paradoxes.
Nader. Excuse me. In comment I was mainly questioning elohim translated angel in Ps instead of God there. And then since Heb is quoting from Ps translate it God there also. Christ is second in command above all else except The Father
Did Jesus start out with better DNA than we possess? He wasn't born to crack cocaine addicted parents, wasn't born into this world with cravings he couldn't seem to control. He wasn't born to parent's that made their livings by stealing. His Father was GOD so on the one side He had no flaws. On the other side GOD made the pick based on His foreknowledge so again he had an advantage and in as far as His step Father was concerned, GOD in His foreknowledge made that pick to. GOD in His foreknowledge knew the risk's to His Son's life and took appropriate steps to protect and preserve the life of His Son. Most children born to 2 human parent's lack all those protective qualities. That said Satan had an even bigger reason to want to attack and destroy GOD's Son over any other human being who ever lived and in the end Satan got his way and GOD did not intervene at the end and Christ was put to death. Two other's that GOD took a particular interest in and preserved their Live's for a purpose was Moses and Joseph. Both of their lives were placed in high risk situation's and were preserved by Devine Providence and they both were placed in position's of great authority after first receiving specialized training that was not available to most. Both had close encounter's and connections with GOD. All it seems to take is one bad judgement call and your whole world can come crashing down. Both Moses and Joseph had their low point's but they persevered through them. That is what GOD requires of each of us, the same thing He required of His Son and of Moses and of Joseph. Or we can be a Judas, a Jezebel and a Lucifer. And if we are a Saul we need to become a Paul and help convert others in like manner.
Nadar would it be more biblically clarifying to say God made Christ a little lower than Himself? As a trinitarian translator translating Ps 8:5 it wouldn’t go along with your ideology to translated Elohim God there because of the ideology of Christ is God. Because of several other verses saying that Christ has been given authority over all in heaven and earth He was never lower than anybody else except the Father. So in Ps and Heb were its quoted from translated Elohim as God instead of angels then all other verses in scripture aline much better....... I think
Nader, I really liked you talk on the nature of Christ. I just have one observation. Christ was not sanctified just before he was sent to this world as a baby. He was already and had been holy before His incarnation. So the statement “whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world” in John 10:36 is not necessarily when Jesus came as a baby. When He came as a baby He was made a little lower the angels as in Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels” His human body needed to be sanctified, before being “sent into the world”. Jesus said in John 17:18 “As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.” He sent His disciples into the world as he had been sent, they were not babies. He was made sanctified at His baptism just as we can be then sent into the world just as He sent His disciples.
I think, if you relisten, that you will hear that this is exactly what Nader meant. I think he meant that Jesus was sanctified and sent. In other words, He was sanctified in heaven and then sent as a baby.
@@jmrdrgz And that is what I commented on. Why would Jesus have to be "sanctified in heaven"? In heaven he was already holy therefore did not have any need to be sanctified.
@@alfredmyers1644 Nader explains that sanctified does not mean just to be holy, but to be set aside. Jesus was set aside for His special mission. Nader mentions that because of the same question you just asked.
Christ came connected to his father or he came in a condition of a saved person as you have said (he was born- born again true, but that is not an advantage brother. You are trying to make an issue over nothing. The uniqueness of Christ is not on how he was born but the fact that he acted different when we was tempted because he always yield his will to his father, We are not require to be born- born again and that is not the contention of salivation. You are trying to make something over nothing. And by the way John was born and sanctified in his mother's womb too. The idea of being born of the Spirit or not is not the contention of the problem, but the most important thing is how we react when we are tempted. Christ and every Child of Adam was the same level of vulnerability towards temptation in connected to his weak nature. The power of salvation is not about how one is born but how we reacted towards temptation. 2nd a saved person still have the same sinful nature as a lost person. The nature does not change but the attitudes changed. You are trying to create another nature for those who are saved and that is another heresy.
24:31" sanctified through the truth this is not talking about concepts or theology " Jesus in His Divinity is the " intent" of the Father in verity. This intent was recorded in Moses and the prophets.Jesus studied Moses and the prophets and lived the " life" that all created free moral agents are expected to live.Having given us His concepts / theology ,,having now live the life to give us an example,,He now provides the means to enable all those who seek grace from the Father to emulate His example and so He is the way. The brestplate of righteousness is the ten commandments written on the heart.This can only be done through sincere personal effort in combination with grace from the Father.For all those who purpose in that Jesus with His Divinity will add intercessory prayer to the Father.The purpose of that breastplate of righteousness is to remind us to seek grace from the Father when the temptations of Lucifer if acted out would result in transgression of the law.When it was said of Jesus that he fulfilled the law it means that he had them written on his heart also and for the same reason.The scape goat teaches that all the transgressions of the saved are put on the life record of Lucifer and the saved are as if they had never transgressed .This is also described as the blotting out of sin when the days of refreshing come the Lord. The reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren is that The Fathers desire for a just and equitable society for all is for each free moral agent to self regulate living within the ten commandments and for them to seek His help if they are floundering. Anyone who acknowledges God right to impose those restrictions and purposes in that is considered righteous .In the prodigal son story when he returns to live as a slave under his father's commandment( the stay at home son mentions his obedience to his father's commandment),the best robe is attributed righteousness , the shoes is the ten commandments ( this is the way walk ye in it) ,the ring is the free moral agency that is never taken away and is a reminder that we are to self regulate our lives. The reason he is not ashamed to call us of that ilk brethren is that He knows that as long as we continue in that mindset God will be able to cleanse us of all unrighteousness . It is a society full of such individuals that the phrase " for a good man one would lay down his life". Continuing until death with that mindset is how we give expression to our trust in God and is how righteousness is connected to faith. God can speak to us with His " still small voice" ,this was revealed to Elijah as he sat at the cave on the mountain where the ten commandments were given. It was through the descendants of Abraham that God provided a body of writings that we know as Moses and the Prophets .Without those writings we would not be able to discern God's intent for His created free moral agents . Jesus said to the woman at the well that salvation was of the Jews for that reason.
@John Adams what enabled Jesus not to transgress was grace given by God as a result of prayer to change the current of his intention. For instance when tempted to command the stones to be turned to bread, Rather than use his authority of the Word of God to command the Father to do that ,he chose to wait on the Father's providential care trusting that the Father who had lead him into those circumstances would have a solution to his hunger. It is all about a heart felt desire to be obedient as that is pleasing to God and praying earnestly for grace that grace can be given. The preface to the ten commandments is God reminding us that He delivers from bondage.
@John Adams there was no God to human transition .A human sperm was created by the power of the Father and fertilized Mary's egg . Just as we consider the creation of Adam by forming him from the dust of the earth so forming a human sperm from nothing is no biggie . The character known as " the ,Son of God " had ceased to exist just as we do at death. The child that came forth from that conception was just another human being .The idea of associating the word " sin " with a fallen state of being is a Satanic deception as is using the words " sin " ," transgression", " iniquity" interchangeably. When Adam was denied access to the tree of life the vigour of his life declined such that 800 years later( some long time later) his body failed in some way and his life ceased. All actions are preceded by thought .If transgression is stopped at the thought stage then we never get a parking ticket . Only God in his omniscience will never enter into actions that are destructive to society. All created beings who lack that omniscience can act foolishly .Thats why being less than Gods glory we submit to His council and with His help live within the constraints of the ten commandments. Sin is those thoughts that come from a failure to acknowledge that our existence is in Gods self existence and the constraints of the ten commandments are arbitrary. If we seek God's help to write the ten commandments on our heart we overcome those shortcomings of not being equal with God and when our mind becomes captivated by something that would have us transgress a commandment then God is eveready to resolve the situation if we ask. In the earth made new if we refuse to be rehabilated into obedience to the ten commandments ,Jesus who can see the thoughts and intents of the heart will exterminate you for the good of society. Claiming to be free from the obligation of the law is Iniquity
Amen brother. Jesus is the only way. Our fallen nature comes from Satan. That's horrible. But when we let Jesus manage our will and our minds, then we are free.
Mr. Mansour, you show that you loves God, you have a passion for the theology of God. But first, you need to sit down to meditate in yourself, to know you, and come to the reality of whom you really are: your emotions and come to know your emotions so that you can understand why you [think] act the way you do. I heard some part of your argument of what you are trying to explain about the Divinity. You need to know God better: His ( their ) plan and the purpose of it, so that you can teach with the truth, live the truth; and that is the light of the Bible, which is Jesus, Representetive of The Father. You and others like you, will be clear at peace, because you will stick to the plan and the purpose, of what human who are seeking them ( God) through the Holy Spirit, which work, doing He part, in collaboration of God the Father and God Jesus; working in unity for the salvation of humanity: those that believe in Them, also when the church learn to focus on the message, and our requirements, we are not going to be apostasicing, or living as the world or making division. Meditate on this!
The false understanding is based on the trinity. According to this doctrine, Jesus could not come with that life line because that life line is someone else, other than the spirit of God.
Israel’s Rejection of Christ 1I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. ( Notice Paul says according to the flesh ). Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ( Remember the House of Israel was split into two Kingdoms. Kingdom of Judah and Kingdom of Israel. Peter was sent to the Jews ( Judah ) and Paul was sent to the Gentiles ( Israel ). The northern Kingdom of Israel became estranged ( alienated ) from the Most High because of their idolatry. Judah ( Jews ) also went the same way too. As you know the Oracles from the Most High was only given to the children of Israel , not to any other nation ( world ) on this earth. Isaiah 45:17 Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 8 When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He divided the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. 9 But the LORD’s portion is His people, Jacob His allotted inheritance. Ecclesiasticus 17:17 >>> For in the division of the nations of the whole earth he set a ruler over every people; but Israel is the Lord's portion. ( Remember when you received a glorified body it will be flesh but not tainted with sin and made different than what we are accustomed to. The Messiah came back and told them touch where I had holes and see that I am real. Spirit do not have flesh and bones. From Genesis to Joseph the Messiah came from a specific line of men that was planned by the Most High. That don't include everyone on this earth. ( Amos 3:2 "You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins ). As you can see He the Most High is not talking about the other nations ( races/worlds/kingdoms ). This is not about a spiritual Israel...!!!!!!!.
I appreciate seeing how other people understand things. Is this a congregational understanding or an individual study? How do you understand the gentiles to receive Christ if he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel? I ask this genuinely, I do not enjoy conflict in discussions. As mentioned, I like to understand other’s train of thought.
John Adams well said. We are our worst enemy. Some of my best changes to my spiritual experience came from reading my own writings/comments years later and seeing how absolutely nonsensical they were. Encouraging one to elaborate on their thoughts can prove futile, it has the chance of anchoring us to our preconceived ideas, as you mentioned. But on the positive, sometimes the more we elaborate the more we see the holes in our thinking. I hope this is the case for our friend above. All of us have subjects/doctrines that if we talk about long enough will begin to crack. Thanks brother.
@@avila2284via When Jesus was on the scene the time allocated for the descendants of Abraham as a people set apart by God to present to the world the will of God ,was not fulfilled. This time period expired 3.5 years after Jesus death and was time stamped with the stoning of Stephen. After that God embarked on a different plan,the beginning of which started with Peter preaching to Cornelius. Here we are at the end of time where the powers of the world can suppress us on the basis of knowing what is scientifically good for us and we can all obtain a bible and we have all heard of Jesus as the sent of God and once you figure it out it is as simple as putting a load through the washing machine and hanging it out and taking it off the line and the next day the same and the next and the next....
But not to any class is Christ’s love restricted. He identifies Himself with every child of humanity. That we might become members of the heavenly family, He became a member of the earthly family. He is the Son of man, and thus a brother to every son and daughter of Adam. His followers are not to feel themselves detached from the perishing world around them. They are a part of the great web of humanity; and Heaven looks upon them as brothers to sinners as well as to saints. The fallen, the erring, and the sinful, Christ’s love embraces; and every deed of kindness done to uplift a fallen soul, every act of mercy, is accepted as done to Him. DA 638.4 THIS SEEM GOOD BUT VERY DANGEROUS WHEN TAKEN TO ITS LOGICALLY CONCLUSION. He has clearly read A.T Jones's book the consecrated way to Christian perfection and added his false ideas to it. Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. According to this brother I am only to do good and minister to the sanctified people of this world.
I fully agree with the statement you share, it doesn't contradict what I shared from the Bible. You've missed the point I made. Of course we are to labor and seek to save all humans. That's why we have a saviour who took our nature.
@John Adams i'm talking about your angry not about you, i dont know you. if you prefer another formulation : when you insult " you sinner", why are you angry ?
@John Adams You are philosophizing about sin. I prefer to speak of salvation in Christ as Brother Nader does. We should not have such a conversation and play with words and intentions on the Sabbath day. It is an offense against God.
