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The "Naughty" Church - St Mary's Bourne Street, Belgravia

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Bourne Street is my first “comment” recommended visit (thanks @philpackwood1011).
My visit followed hard on the heels of my visit to St Olav’s (see the last three weeks of videos) and I found myself continuing with Fr Sam some of the conversations begun with Fr Magnus - particularly on the subject of communion.
As a rather “Catholic” Anglo Catholic, Fr Sam dug deep on this subject too, extending similar themes from my visit to All Saints Margaret Street.
It's also a profoundly Anglo Catholic Church (with the emphasis on the second word) - but the priests have the wit and wisdom to be self aware about this and celebrate any anachronism.
Many thanks to Fr Sam Korn
#belgravia

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@fhugheveleigh2 Месяц назад

A most fascinating account from a rather wonderful priest. Learnt much. Thank you.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Thanks for the feedback - my videos are only as good as the people to who take me round and Fr Sam was great.

@matthewprovost5938 Месяц назад

What a lovely, genuine, erudite priest! Thank you for posting. Cheers!

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Thanks for the kind words - keep watching - more coming next week.

@liturgicalpodium Месяц назад

I wish I could give this coverage 1000 thumbs up. The priest is very vast and knowledgeable about everything. Also, thanks to you for this wonderful episode.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Saying a 1000 thumbs up is good enough for me. Thanks.

@denisebutler4289 Месяц назад

Once again I'm amazed by the amount of information and the wonderful.way it is delivered

@hereticatious Месяц назад

This was a video where I struggled to make it shorter because so much Fr Sam said was fascinating.

@PaulCohen-m9j Месяц назад

I used to go to St. Mary’s Bourne Street. Beautiful music. Beautiful liturgy.

@davidwilson4434 Месяц назад

Me too, Paul! Many years ago!

@buffytoft3500 Месяц назад

It's genuinely intoxicating when you get to study not just the aspects of a London church but the speech and knowledge of a uniquely niche man. How do we all end up doing what we do?

@hereticatious Месяц назад

In my case I've just followed a random walk. I think I've been pretty lucky.

@IanWard-rp6to Месяц назад

If only all Anglican churches were like this. ❤❤❤

@markcooke729 Месяц назад

Fascinating! The church I go to is Anglo Catholic but not to this extent - I LOVE it! An Anglo Catholic church were I used to live went one further and had confessionals!

@hereticatious Месяц назад

@markcooke729 Bourne Street also has confessionals! Keep watching - I've got a whole video covering this coming shortly!

@chriswade7470 Месяц назад

We have one

@markcooke729 Месяц назад

@@hereticatious can't wait!

@maryc267 Месяц назад

Wonderful! 👏👏👏 Loved the John Wayne joke.🤣🤣🤣 and the clip-on clouds! ☁🙏 Looking forward to part 2.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Awwwe - you're too kind!

@eloquentlight 29 дней назад

THAT THRONE IS AMAZING. Also, Father Sam is a GEM, definitely need to visit when I am next there!

@hereticatious 14 дней назад

Well worth a visit.

@fortissimo49 Месяц назад

Fr Sam is wonderful, as is St Mary's, Bourne Street!

@hereticatious Месяц назад

I definitely left the church skipping.

@gerrymaher4594 Месяц назад

Very interesting beautiful church.

@271250cl Месяц назад

Sadly I cannot get to St Mary's as often as I'd like (about once every seven years since I was 18!) but one thing I always remember about Sunday High Mass (apart from the lovely music and the splendid liturgy) is that the sermons were often laced with dry humour.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

I think humour is such a stand out feature of so many of the people who take me round - it grounds so much of what they say. Fr Sam and I definitely laughed the whole way round - and it emphasises the earnest bits when needed. Lot's of people have talked up the music at Bourne Street - I'll see if I can do something about it.

@271250cl Месяц назад

@@hereticatious Yes, the music is very fine at St Mary's and must be a big draw, I think. A feature on the choir would be very interesting. I've never spoken to him but Fr Sam comes across as a very engaging person!

@judithwhitehouse2149 Месяц назад

Enjoyed that! NB - recent Bourne Street Corpus Christi Mass online - with 'O Salutaris Hostia' sung lustily (by the whole congregation) to the tune of Parry's 'Jerusalem' shows just how very English they are...

@timbobsm Месяц назад

As a Roman Catholic, I would love to stop in this church for meditation as I do in my local church. There are so many what we call sacramentals that allow us to meditate on all aspects of our faith Sadly so many Catholic Churches in the US have stripped so much of the sacramentals from the Nave, the Narthex, and the Sanctuary. I think that the pendulum is swinging back as some RC churches have been restoring some of these sacramentals.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

I think this church is open to public visitors in a generous way. People dropped in and quietly spend some time as we toured.

@dianapatterson1559 Месяц назад

The Oxford movement to the 10th power.

@michaelriordan8265 Месяц назад

Many years ago I went into a church I thought was RC, they had Solemn Mass, Benediction, Rosary, Vespers and Confessions but there was something about it that made me feel uneasy, it turned out to be an Anglican church and they sometimes had a Latin mass, the building is still there but it's now a climbing centre, there were other churches similar with their beliefs, most have closed down, some are used for other purposes, this happened because the church of England decided to ordain women

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Keep watching - I've a detailed video coming very soon about C of E confessions at Bourne Street.

@Paul9443 Месяц назад

Beautiful Church. I love the story behind it. 🙂

@xenia367 Месяц назад

Brought up Anglo Catholic I wish this church was in my area. Both church and priest are delightful.

@FrJarelRB Месяц назад

You should come and visit St German's Cardiff :-)

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Get them to invite me - I'll make the journey! It looks great.

@RichardSmith-gp8zp Месяц назад

It may well be time for this Community to come home to Holy Mother Church

@RogerYng Месяц назад

Or maybe stay Anglican, which is still part of “Holy Mother Church.”

@crispinpemberton6951 Месяц назад

It would immediately lose its magic, being required to conform to HMC's liturgy. Broad Anglicanism allows this extreme expression to have place within the church family.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND Месяц назад

They will need an ordained priest, tho.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND Месяц назад

Jesus only gave the authority to forgive sins to his apostles -and they handed this on to their successors.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND Месяц назад

Jesus only gave the authority to forgive sins to his apostles -and they handed this on to their successors.

@jeffreyhoward879 Месяц назад

Very informative!

@user-ds8no1ro2q Месяц назад

I could easily see this was not a Catholic church. The seating for parishioners had no pews or kneelers since Catholics stand, sit, and kneel during those parts of the Mass where the theme makes it appropriate. To one side of the altar would probably a flag of the Church of England instead of a flag of the Vatican. Apart from that, it felt Catholic, especially due to the beautiful altar with the crucifix prominently displayed. This was very enjoyable. Thank you!

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Thanks for the kind words. I'm just beginning to develop a vocabulary to distinguish this stuff. To me it's still just a really nice place.

@samuelbcn Месяц назад

These people treat the Catholic faith like a hobby. You can't just make up your own rules like it's fusion cooking.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

But I LOVE fusion cooking.

@holmespianotuning 18 дней назад

Why not? That’s what the Catholic Church does!

@wfcoaker1398 9 дней назад

The Bishop of Rome hath no authority in this realm of England. Lol. It's not like it was only the Protestants who opposed "the Bishop of Rome and his detestable enormities" the other four Patriarchs had excommunicated him long before the Reformation.

@samuelbcn 8 дней назад

@@wfcoaker1398 No Bishop of Rome, no Catholicism.

@wfcoaker1398 8 дней назад

@@samuelbcn lolol. So, the Russians and Greeks aren't practicing the Catholic faith? Your position is just the lie the Popes have used for centuries to justify their claim to be King of the Bishops.

@edwarddeburca8034 Месяц назад

I like the pulpit. There are too few of them in churches these days.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

I struggle to understand the controversy around this particular one.

@edwarddeburca8034 Месяц назад

@@hereticatious Fascinating video, by the way. Many thanks!

@philpackwood1011 Месяц назад

This is wonderful .Thanks Hereticatious ,where are you heading next?

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Feel free to suggest another - this one went very well! Thanks.

@philpackwood1011 Месяц назад

@@hereticatious St Magnus the Martyr London Bridge is on my list but I'm not often in London,also St Silus Kentish Town would be of interest,bothl equally "High up the candle" Anglo Catholic Church’s. Thaxted Church in Essex has an interesting history due to Conrad Noel the "Red Rector",an anglo catholic socialist who flew the red flag and sinn feint flag alongside the St George's flag on the church!

@stephanottawa7890 Месяц назад

This is very good. One suggestion is not so many diversions and digressions (bloody flamingos and Big John). You have really some profound insights when you just stick to the subject at hand.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

But those are my favourite bits!

@angelah2083 Месяц назад

At 4:04 you insert a caption explaining that BCP is the Book of Common Prayer, except that you haven’t quite finished your typing - maybe go back and finish? It just looks untidy left as it is. Thanks so much.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Well spotted - unfortunately RU-vid doesn't really let you edit videos once make public - so I will just have to grind my teeth in dismay every time I see it from now on. I still prefer to know though.

@ransomcoates546 Месяц назад

The hymn ‘Pange lingua’ of Corpus Christi was composed by St. Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century. Quite naughty not to know this.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

I just listened to it - fantastic. I'm always trying to find ways to get sacred music on the channel - here's one place to start ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YhaFh-K47EE.html

@FrSamKorn Месяц назад

As it happens, I *do* know this! I can't remember what I said in the video as I can't bear to watch myself in it, but if I said anything different then I made a mistake during filming.

@lozspennymoor Месяц назад

There is no link to that Apostolic Church because of the use of the edwardine missal

@liturgicalpodium Месяц назад

OK we have heard you.

@RogerYng Месяц назад

If you want to play the missal game, or more accurately the Eucharistic Prayer game, you can’t avoid the fact that even the Apostolic Church used a few prayers that might not have met all marks of Catholicity.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Thanks for this insight - I've just read the wikipedia article on Edwardine Ordinals. Now how can I turn this into a video I wonder.....?

@liturgicalpodium Месяц назад

@@hereticatious there's an organisation called Prayer Book Society chaired by Bradley Smith. It may be worth contacting him as well as parishes that are in the Prayer Book tradition, often called Prayer Book Catholicism.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND Месяц назад

I sense a longing in some of the comments to come Home.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Nice place to visit....,

@GordonSymons-BEYOND Месяц назад

“Naughty” is right Like innocent little children imitating their parents

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Ah - but some turn naughtiness into lifestyle. I did (although in a completely different way of course).

@pasavant Месяц назад

Subtitles would be nice.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

I'm interested - I know the autogenerated ones aren't perfect - but they are pretty good. It's a lot of work to create my own subtitles - but if lots of people demand it - you could talk me into it.

@chriswade7470 Месяц назад

The High Altar Rerderos at Bourne Street is papier-mâché.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

But surely the clip-on-clouds are solid gold?

@GordonSymons-BEYOND Месяц назад

Oh dear. Do you know the origin of Corpus Christi? The miracle in whiz blood flowed from the consecrated host.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Interesting, I guess it's this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_of_Bolsena . I still demand the photographs.

@margaretstewart5538 Месяц назад

Imagine having to work this hard to refuse to submit to Rome

@stephanottawa7890 Месяц назад

May I note that we Orthodox Christians although we do believe that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Divine Species, we do not think it necessary to have a day called Corpus Christi. Basically we celebrate the real Christ, but not the theological aspects as does the RC church. The same could be said for their new feast of Christ the King. Of course, we believe that Christ is King, but we do not need a feast day to highlight it. Christ is always king.

@dalegriffin6755 Месяц назад

In the United States the western rite vicariate of the Antiochian Orthodox have the feast of Corpus Christi, Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament and the Feast of Christ the King.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

Interesting - but you do have some feast days?

@dalegriffin6755 Месяц назад

@@hereticatious Yes of course, but they correspond to the Western calendar.

@pestoriusj 12 дней назад

What a website oh wow. "This place is awful, it must be the house of God" indeed

@hereticatious 5 дней назад

You might also say - what a sense of humour! This place is in touch with its own absurdity in the best possible way.

@johngreatbatch6441 Месяц назад

This is a Protestant church

@peterchaloner2877 Месяц назад

Manse, you could say. Or chapel-house.

@user-rq4iz5vg6l Месяц назад

Is this a C-of-E church? I thought the church of England definitely does not subscribe to any form of adoration of the Blessed Sacrament based on their believe (or unbelief) of the literal presence of Christ in the mass. The C of E’s own 39 articles describe this belief as ‘repugnant’ so I’m always slightly bewildered by Anglican churches who go to such efforts to emulate something that fundamentally they have broken away from. I suppose what I’m really trying to say is rather than being a ‘naughty’ Anglican Church, why not become a ‘good’ Catholic one?

@hereticatious Месяц назад

More naughtiness next week (and the week after!).

@sheila4124 18 дней назад

What on earth is this

@hereticatious 14 дней назад

I mean yes... it is something else and then some. I love the fact this crazy universe can accommodate all this - you couldn't make it up... oh, wait a minute, you can!

@user-dt4cv6ey9x Месяц назад

A somewhat ignorant interviewer? Has he been in a church before ?

@hereticatious Месяц назад

@user-dt4cv6ey9x certainly true. Of course the difference is I know I'm ignorant.

@peterchaloner2877 Месяц назад

Naughty = your Transubstantiation effort is a dud. Failure to launch.

@richardsaintjohn8391 Месяц назад

The Holy Ghost doesn't care about your narrow mind.

@logos9434 Месяц назад

As an Orthodox Evangelical Anglican, it is full of cheap tat.

@RogerYng Месяц назад

“Orthodox” is a term used that has nothing to do with actual Orthodoxy.

@logos9434 Месяц назад

@@RogerYng This has nothing to do with Scriptural authority and the pattern of the apostolic church.

Месяц назад

The majority of the north eastern churches are Anglo Catholic if you are evangelical you are non conformist.

@hereticatious Месяц назад

@logos9434 What you say is not COMPLETELY unfair - not every artefact is a masterpeice (I don't think Fr Sam would pretend it was) - but the thing about Bourne Street is the ensemble. Together it all feels highly cohesive and well thought out.

@logos9434 Месяц назад

@@hereticatious I prefer my church to focus on the cross not crucifix, the Communion Table and the pulpit. Statues do nothing for me.

@PaulCohen-m9j Месяц назад

I used to go to St. Mary’s Bourne Street. Beautiful music. Beautiful liturgy.