The NBA Saboteur Hall of Fame With Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast 

The North remembers...

@@Jennifer_Elliott LMFAO

Not if Philly wins a title, then it worked out fine.

He tried to sabotage but Joel too good

I think they were dancing around that due to the ‘supposed’ mental health thing. Yea I know he faked it, but whatever.

they tried to trade him at the deadline last year and failed then they tried to blame their playoff loss on him, why should he want to play for them again?

Not to mention they would’ve traded him for harden this year even if he came back and played every game. Morey is snake

@@Rileylmao_ any team would trade there 2nd best player for james harden. Which leaves us back to the point of him getting all bemt out of shape cause people called out his lack luster play

@@56mdk so you try to trade a guy then when you fail you say you can’t win with him, then expect him to come back to your team and play like nothing happened? that one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard.

@@Rileylmao_ YES, how many players went on to have great careers after A trade did not go thru. Remember Klay Thompson and Kevin love. 90% of players have been in trade talks. Robert Horry was famously traded in the 95 season but some1 failed physical. He became big shot bob after that. Stop being a Ben apologizist as a former one. He ain’t worth it.

Its tuesday

@@keeganabney9175 this clip is from the Sunday podcast

@@movieanatomy4341 ohhh ok my bad

Lol

The Wizards are basically pure chaos to other teams

dinwiddie just helped the mavs beat the warriors...while kp has yet to play...

Damn I haven't thought about it all together 🤣

I love this!

The Wizards also facilitated the Anthony Davis trade. Isaac Bonga, Jemerrio Jones, and Moe Wagner were sent to the Wizards in order to make the deal work.

Right, cuz who can live off a measly 120M

@@chm2 120 mil in California is gonna get hella taxes. The 240 mil in NOLA is a whole lot of gumbo and jambalaya

You’re missing the point, Edmund.

I think they were considering HOFers only. Deron and Ben Simmons will probably be second ballot SHOFers lol

And I always find it funny how 2 yrs later DWills production dwelled dramatically and he was never the same

Its crazy that he was one of the best guards in the league at one point

Who’s Deron Williams?

No one cares about the Utah Jazz lol

Oh wow, I've never heard him say that

Whoa? That's crazy. Did he write about it? When did he get NBA league pass?

A lot of people made that move to get tickets a long time ago, which was smart. 1) for all those years prior to the Blake-CP3-Dj team, clippers tickets were dirt cheap, as was being a season ticket holder. The clippers SUCKED. 2) buying a dirt cheap season ticket package let’s you see all the other talented players on opposing teams play, for dirt cheap. If you want to see MJ live, it’s financially better to see him against a shitty team - even if it’s not really competitive. 3) buying a ticket package gives you “birds rights” aka first dibs on season tickets the following season, at a discounted price. This is how and why some people who have season tickets keep getting it every year. So if someone who has never had tickets now wants them in the same section where BS sits, they will pay much more for them compared to what BS would pay. 4) You would be surprised how many people with money have season tickets for shitty teams (or bought them when the team was shit). You’re basically paying to watch the other teams and other stars, yet at a discounted rate. I know a handful of folks who got clippers ticket packages in the 80s-90s, despite hating the clippers. 5) I know some people who have season tickets and sell the tickets to big games or Christmas games, which could end up reimbursing them for the ENTIRE season ticket package. Essentially, they get to go to games for free at the end of it all.

He’s only said it hundreds of times...... about the only thing he mentions more than he has Clippers season tickets is the Celtics

@@UtotheJ three things bill is good for 1) mentioning the Celtics in absolutely every podcast no matter the topic 2) saying “and I was at that game!” In every podcast 3) mentioning his clippers tickets when talking about other teams the clippers played about once a month for the last decade.

Preach

He put the raptors on the map I was pissed also but the ownership at the time was the teacher union which didn't put money into building a franchise lousy gms one all right coach in Mitchell it was run to make dividend checks not to win championship

@@johnbeardshall2898 He picked us up from the bottom, true. But that’s exactly where he would have left us if not for Bosh. He pretended to be hurt and played bad on purpose. He tanked his trade value, so we got nothing for him. He left us for dead bro

exact same sentiments shared... painful years after that philly series, watching vince settle for 20 footers and going for 5/17 and refusing to dunk... some perspective, he was just a dunker and volume shooter... 47 win season all they can muster... we had several runs of 50+ and a championship since he left Masai is the real superstar... and Lowry...

@@linodinardo4798Sounds like Carter was a good player who wasn’t someone you could’ve built a championship team around.

And he left y’all and still never accomplished anything. He got what he deserved.

@@dp2120 Those guys never win if the are your key contributors.

The fact some "fans" want his number retired at all let alone before Kyle is infuriating. Clearly they didn't live through that embarrassment

@@brentguest3179 exactly it’s absolutely pathetic how people forget what Vince did.

He is an all time great. Just cause you're bitter how he played for your team doesn't take away from his career

agreed... nothing to show after that 47 win season and loss to philly.. nothing but bricks and refusing to dunk... painful time..

Do you actually talk like that?

Props to russillo for doing that swiftly AND discreetly. It would have been a lose-lose situation to even discuss it.

Can someone explain this to me

@@Biporian it’s self explanatory lol

Would not have been terrible, Lamar *chose* to be part of the situations that lead to those situations.

The hate against Wilt is unreal, it is like people can't separate the person from the professional.

@@HKashaf Wilt was just a big mouth and i think that's why he has a lot of hate. Less hate than Lebron though. People don't like big mouths. Also the fact he could not win in big moments when it mattered, adds to why he is disliked except for a minority of fans that take his word as truth.

@@HKashaf Wilt was an unspoken black man who didn't just lie down for massah and slept with a lot of white women. The historical hate against him isn't that surprising.

why help out a team youre leaving? its business and competition not some peewee league with orange slices and juice boxes after the game

@@dkmrap1 bc ya develop relationships w/ ppl and fans. Ya may want to move on in your career, but that doesn’t mean sabotaging your current situation to do so. Also some guys want to be moved sooner and not wait for seasons end. There’s endless reasons as to why players would give a team notice

@@tjanderson5892 it's business. It's not about you. These are grown men doing what's best for them and their families. which any adult should do.

@@dkmrap1 lol never said it’s about me. GMs, coaches, and players all move around the league. Mistreating someone today could impact opportunities tomorrow. It’s good business to let organizations know if you look at it long term. As a player realistically you aren’t winning a championship and the supposed edge you claim to get by leaving teams dry and not communicating w/ em isn’t anywhere near the benefit you’ll get by being viewed as a stand up player throughout the league. Having a bad reputation won’t affect players like Kyrie right now. He’s gonna get the bag regardless what happens. But when his career is winding down and he’s lookin for deals from teams, having a bad rep throughout the league will end up hurting him. You miss the bigger picture

@@tjanderson5892 you don't realize these gms and owners promise deals to players and pull out in the final hour ALL the time but you don't hear about it so you don't place any blame on them. Don't let media narratives fool you

That was a couple years before he actually ended up on the team

@BlackBeard Kawhi and Love helped their team win a chip

Eh, Kyrie actually needed that surgery and put it off for 2 years because his teams were contending. It ultimately cost him the 2018 season. If he had truly just put himself first, he would have gotten the screws removed in 2016 and the Cavs never win a title. He sacrificed before the sabotage, so it balances out.

@@CBarber22 Forget all the 🧢. simple question do you think Kyrie has sabotaged situations?

@@gobot581 yes he has sabotaged a situation, when his 2nd Celtics season wasn't going well he decided he was done being the vocal leader when guys like Rozier and JBrown needed him most. And then he started recruiting guys to join him in Brooklyn by midseason. I am not biased.

@@CBarber22 update on this situation since kyrie has talked about it on a stream a week or so ago he had been putting off surgery and had to get it in 2018 because he was getting a serious infection in his knee that if spread could infect his heart and he'd die cus of this he was basically bed ridden for months until training camp and had to have a tube running from his arm directly to his heart he said his leg by then was like a chicken wing since he couldn't do anything traning camp comes around he says if yall will take me im coming back then boom his grandfather dies and idk about you but having been in a similar situation that shit breaks you so i dont blame him for being less vocal with his teammates especially when they were having the same problems even after kyrie left edit: watched the video and its ridiculous how when they bring kyrie up they said they knew more about the situation but ive never seen the media report about his knee infection which i can only imagine how much wouldve changed had that story came out

I don’t understand either of these. 2016 Paul George had a career year and was incredible in the playoffs. 2006 Artest demanded a trade but his on court performance was still on par with what it’d been before. What makes either of these sabotage?

A 2 second story 'everyone says he's nice' lmaooo

Fck Alonzo mourning till the end of time

Even the trade is an example of how mediocre the Raptors front office was. While there is no excuse for quitting, the media and Old School Raptors fans treat Vince way worse than how Houston treats James Harden, when what James has done runs circles around what VC did back in the day. Makes absolutely no sense.

Nobody likes a class clown in the professional world, and that is what dwight was his entire career with the magic. His biggest accomplishments there still left the impression he was a smiling goofy class clown.

He had chris bosh mo pete jalen rose donyell marshall charlie v. and mike james on his team and bailed like a coward...that team was stacked if they had vc in 2004-2005 they probably make round 2

too bad rusiilo sucks

That traded killed the Knicks. Melo fat ass did nothing but make money in NY

It’s sad that as time goes on people forget all the BS he pulled. He was letting other teams know what plays the raps were going to run. Vince Carter is a bum who never won anything and his best highlight as a raptor was winning a dunk off and missing a game 7 buzzer beater in the playoffs.

He barely plays on the Clippers now 😂😂😂

could be? Its literally the best example. Simmons LITERALLY quit and never showed up again.

@@Howdidhenotseeme the 76ers fucked that up They made him not wanna be there anymore You don’t bash one of your superstars immediately after a critical playoff game you always support and they didn’t do that so if I was Ben I wouldn’t wanna be there either fuck them

He didn't wanna be there anymore, why should he play if he doesn't want to be there?

In how many out of those 22 seasons was he in one of the top 10 championship contenders? 🤔. Like i always say, put Tmac, Carmelo, Vince and AI in a very good or all time great situation like Kobe, Wade or Curry, and their careers would be way different. Its easy to manipulate numbers to support one's cause 🤔

You’re wrong. Popovich took Aldridge’s side when LA started crying about being the center of the offense. Pop sycophants are just socialists who don’t know anything about basketball.

@@spicerc1244 ???

@@Biporian it’s true. Aldridge threw an unprecedented fit and Pop caved. When Kawhi asked for a second opinion he was shunned.

Oh my god I remember that

A lot of these guys had a "point" or at least a reason for their shit. It still doesn't make it okay to simply quit to the point Vince did. In fact I think it's the most outrageous one of all of these.

People also forget how horrid mgmt was those days. The broken promises made by Babcock at the time, he deserved more from them. And just like any “job” when you’re upset and unappreciated like he was, you react, it’s being human. Didn’t he also have a buzzer winner for us during this period ? Lol. The man did so much for basketball in Canada so I’ll always appreciate V.C. Anyways I’m with you lol.

And by the way, just checked, Vince had 21 points in just 25 minutes that Clipper game, with 5 rebounds, Bill talking the truth forever.

Preach. One of the few comments where someone actually took the time to know how bad the situation in Toronto was. GLeague teams were better run than the Raptors during that era. Like i said in a previous comment; while what Vince did was inexcusable; The media and Old School Raptors fans are giving VC the Death Penalty for quitting on of the 3 worst situations in modern NBA, while to put things into perspective, James Harden while being on a great situation, did several things in a much much messed up manner, and that's barely mentioned or barely criticized for it. It makes no sense...

I mean, there’s a difference between wanting out and asking for a trade, and absolutely giving up on your team and intentionally not playing your best.

rusildick sucks though lol such an unneccessary ego for podcasting

I dont think he wanted to play with KAT or wigs

@@noahm7977 he was mad that KAT and Wiggins had tons of untapped potential and ability, but neither seemed to want to show that 100% effort. He said they're both more naturally gifted than him, but he always puts it all out there on the court