The Need for Speed Iceberg EXPLAINED (feat. KuruHS) | Cut Content, Mysteries & Theories 

If I have missed anything or got anything wrong while researching this video, let me know in the comments. I will edit this pinned comment with additional information or corrections if need be! • The Iceberg sheet was made by *DeFy!* • MW '05 Cops screaming in pain: There is one more voiceline that got cut from the game and is only heard in the PS2 demo, this time actually sounding more like the iceberg described. Have a listen here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--T4PmJdBRQo.html And another one right here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4ZtOf7rz-w4.html Thanks to Splash45 and Sergeantct920 for finding these! • BMW/Ford Antenna: The PS2 demo does actually feature a Ford Mustang (rival race against Rog), which comes with an antenna that got removed along side the M3's antenna as discussed in the video. • NFS Website attack: Some more people remembering the attack came forward saying that the site has suffered additional DDOS attacks which shut down the site for at least a week. The motivation behind the attack seemed to be that the attacker(s) were unhappy with the bad support on the site. • NFS World died in 2013: World actually got shut down in 2015, but it has been "dead" since 2013 as that year had the final official update for the game. • GrandTheftAero MW2 Cancelled video: A video on Most Wanted 05's removed content was in the works which had a sneak peak of Most Wanted 2 related content, but due to legal reasons has been on hold since 2018.

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EA business model: Smol studio did good EA puts them under their wing EA puts high schedules on them Smol studio puts out rushed product Bad sales Smol studio went down

MW/Carbon Crossover Theory: Mia was originally meant to play a large part in the story of NFS Carbon, but this didn't end up coming to fruition (potentially due to Josie Maron being unavailable). Let me explain the events in chronological order (SPOILER WARNING): -The race with the crew bosses in the story intro of Carbon happens. At the end of the race, Darius sets you up by making it look like you ran away with the money. -Mia is sent out to track you down to recover the money. In order to figure out what happened to the money, she hooks up with you and helps you out. -At some point, she hears your side of the story and realizes that someone else has the money she's looking for. -During her time with you in Rockport, her objective changes from obtaining the missing money to taking down the Blacklist with your help. -Once they're taken down, Mia helps you get away in the final pursuit so that she can use your help in Palmont to find out who has the missing money.

Always thought it was pretty strange that Toyota tried to distance itself from NFS. When you think about it, if it wasn’t for media pertaining to Street Racing (NFS, Fast and Furious) it’s possible that their cars wouldn’t have the same affection from so many people who grew up with that media.

I like how the music is so serious and mysterious but there are a lot of meme in this iceberg

I'm actually surprised about "Ryan is the protagonist of BB era" is that deep, considering Russian community believes that it's actual fact, not a theory xd

The Need For Speed concept where apparently you play as racing terrorists would be fucking wild to see

I found this while playing nfs mw 2005, during a chase, I heard a officer mentioning about a female drive they took in custody and they also said that " she says that she is a undercover officer". I noticed it because in the final cut scene we get to know that the charecter mia who helped us in the whole game was an undercover cop. I found it out recently. I don't have the evidence for this because I didn't expect this to come. I am sorry and also glad that I could share this info with u.

there's an iceberg for everything, huh? i'll watch this tho i'm a sucker for these vids

Here's something iceberg-worthy i think! In MW 05 there is an object in the game that has an odd texture... the cardboard box object littered throughout the map. If you stop and get close to it, you can actually see some interesting text written on it. One side says: "EAX AH: Colleen or Cindy" | A tag on the box that reads: "EAX-8061 QTY: 1 A whole bunch of stuff there is no way you will be able to read once it's reduced" (haha well obviously somebody didn't reduce it down enough lol) Another side says: "Andy a{nd his) mountain bike were climbing up a hill when all of a sudden a little turtle jumped right in his way. Andy didn't want to run over the poor little turtle so he stopped, picked it up, and (carried) it down the mountain. What a nice guy that andy is." idk what any of this means but it sure is weird.

50:22 There actually DOES exist sound files like that, though they went unused. There exists a video that covers every unused file they could find. The video was unfortunately deleted, but re-uploaded later by someone else. Here it is. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rZvBRy-8xxY.html It happens at the 13:00 mark

I expect to hear something from Carbon. Something about San Juan, LeSamurai crew, Nikki being the Final Boss with Endgame and etc

is it just me or is eden very fitting to be a narrator?

This was an hour of my life well spent

This iceberg is awesome. NFS Carbon really is a treasure trove of mysteries, conspiracies and cut content. Kinda saddened almost none were metioned. Le Samurai Crew, Mystery City, Canyon Free Roam to name a few.

I think that Rog being a first blacklist opponent wouldnt exclude him from helping out later. There is also that story beat where Razor alludes to us meeting Rog in jail or him screwing Rog over the same way he did us. Could be so that in final game Razor took 15th spot from Rog and took his Mustang, hence him driving a Pontiac instead.

Hi there. I wanted to elaborate a bit on the final theory you mentioned, about the cancelled MW2 video from GrandTheftAero (from my own personal recollection). Yes, there *WAS* a video in the works at the time (around 2018) on both an MW2 video and a cut content video for the original Most Wanted video, and I was originally pitched to serve as the voiceover for both videos (I was formerly known as HGCentral, who voiced the cut content videos for Underground and Underground 2.) The videos ultimately didn't come to fruition for multiple reasons, part of it resulting from time constraints from my memory's sake. I was going through a very rough patch in my personal life at the time of needing to work on the voiceovers, and had to spend a lot of time re-working/editing the scripts as his grammar was often poor or needed a lot of fixing, which often cut into my other projects. From what I remember, he was originally planning to continue working on the video with another voiceover who was able to get the work done quicker at the time, but this ultimately never surfaced, as I believe he wanted to put the video on hold so that he could work on the history of Midnight Club video (which ended up becoming his final video on that channel). He's still around as far as I know, having made a couple videos from beta builds of Burnout 2 on his second channel, "SuperType1", however I have not been in contact with him for a couple years now. I sadly don't have the original scripts anymore, as its been lost to time due to the computer I was using at the time (including its hard drive) now being out of commission, however I was later told from other members with knowhow about the cut content in the Underground games that parts of what's mentioned in that video are apparently incorrect, moreso in the Underground 2 video. I'll try seeing if I can do some digging around for the scripts if they are still in my Discord chat logs with him or not. *And yes, I AM STILL INTERESTED in doing voiceovers for racing games, including (but not limited to) Need for Speed. I'd be more than happy to help with those looking for a voice for videos they may be working on.* :)

Also, the "cop screaming" can be heard and it was present in an NFS Game. To be specific, in NFS3 Hot Pursuit (1998) from PS1

I see Mystery City mentioned in Level 8 but wasn't talked about it.

For the Shift is Prostreet sequel theory, I would like to add that there are ripped billboards from the kings in Prostreet in tracks such as Ebisu.

At the end i was like "what a good 10 minute video" then i saw the time, it was so interesting that it make me lose track of time lmao

Extremely well made. Kinda like the LEMMiNO of NFS, great watch

RIP Brad Lawless, no kid deserves to die that young from an illness. Hope his dad knew his kid was looking down on him proud of what his dad did for work ❤️

that brad lawless thing is pretty wholesome. i was confused when i first saw it in ug2. great video.

About the cop screaming, I remember in one of Kuru's video, forget which one, there's basically a cop talking and then got rammed by an suv, and then he's basically like grunting, either that or I am just being paranoid

I think some of this stuff would be fitting great in a second iceberg video: - San Juan city from NFS Carbon and how it was supposed to be part of the main city and story - Was Underground 1 city always named "Olimpic"? - The distant islands you can see in some coastal roads in Palmont (Carbon) - The functional but incomplete DLC cars from ProStreet (Challenger concept, Leon Cupra) - The "cut" crew graffities found in Palmont City (Fortuna tunnel near the University) - The radio stations (yes radio, not soundtrack music) scattered around Seacrest County in NFS HP2010 buldings. (Just drive with music volume at 0 and stop in almost any building (verified by my around the beach area and some forestal roads)) - Bikes were usable at some point in development of NFS Heat Most of this things were seen/experienced/investigated by me, while others are topics that were never answered in the OG NFS theories site.

One thing that’s interesting is that the Mazda RX-7 from the opening cutscene of NFS ProStreet shows up as a racer in Need for Speed The Run on one of the later sections where the mob is shooting at you. I wonder who drives that car.. it’s weird that it’s not in ProStreet where the cutscene is from but it’s actually a racer in The Run.

The intro montage is a masterpiece

16:06 - "The PS2 demo does not feature any Ford vehicles" >proceeds to sideswipe a Koenigsegg Mustang GT

18:22 i actually just recently discovered the existence of the airport on the map while playing the pepega mod. I always wondered why the highway "loops" the way it does and seems to stick out of the highrises onto an open field at that point. I stopped to look over the barriers and sure enough the buildings in the background looked like airport terminals. Great to see it appear on here with a map drawing and a small mention!

There are 3 books in Poland titled Most Wanted: Return to Rockport. They were sell unofficialy as continuation of plot of Most Wanted and Carbon. It was said that they were written by someone from NFS MW team but they turned out to be a fanfic and peroson who realised it faked her death.

Love the fact that you used Shift 2's music for the last two sections. That game had an **amazing** music design.

I have not have not this much dedication and passion from someone in the community for a video. This was a fantastic video Eden.

Poor Rosalina. Internet was truly a mistake. I understand people like Speedyheart want to protect their stuff, but the NFSMW community is already quite small (due to no official modding SDK in... ever). IMO stuff should be open source and all it should have taken was his name in the credits of the mod.

Fun Fact: Razor has always been in NFS before Most Wanted 😉

32:35-33:09 idk if this got told much or less on the internet so I'm just gonna leave this behind to let people know (and ofc you eden) In nfs prostreet, During race days you can sometimes hear the commentator talk about a left over car in the parking lot with the license plate nfs-crb. Which represents the possible blue Supra from Carbons prologue. (Just some unusual information, apologies if I messed something up in this letter 😅)

"Check em out if you own a copy" Bro, real g's got their black editions, collector's editions and DLCs from TPB back in the day lol Great video btw

this video is so well done, the editing and effects are on point. congratulations eden!

Oh man, what a video!!! You took me like 6 years in the past when I was REALLY deep inside with this stuff, awesome work!

That was preety amazing to watch and learn the amount of hidden or little details there were within each NFS Game, an awesome video well put up though congratz dude

something that has always bothered me: need for speed carbon: own the city on ds had an infinite nitrous cheat that never worked

You know what else is forgotten? Motor City Online.

I remember doing the moon level on NFS Nitro on my DSi. Now knowing that at that time there we're no footage or evidence of this level shocks me! Amazing video!

he finaly remembered his youtube password :D , jokes aside that is a very good video even small jokes are good , such a great work

This video was definitely worth the wait. Keep up the good work!

While I admire the massive work put into this video, I can't help but think this should be named "NFS UG/MW Iceberg". No mention of Porsche Unleashed/Porsche 2000 or other earlier games like High Stakes. Also no mention of how Motor City Online was supposed to be tagged as a NFS title, but was changed last minute. No mention of how MCO's final update had both the Mk 4 Supra and the Eclipse added as a "test" of content for the upcoming Underground game. The developers of both of the Shift games coming from the modding community (SimBin became Slightly Mad Studios), who after splitting in half ended up being part of the developers of Project Cars. The other half (Blimey! Games) developing BMW M3 Challenge. There are so many threads left un-pulled.....

If Kuru never became a NFS streamer, he could be a horror commentary channel a la Chills

got this recommended. i am prepared for the iceberg Eden.

Something for the iceberg: in NFSU2, if your car has lvl3 hydraulics you can bunnyhop using a collision model glitch. Go to one of the metal guardrails in the middle of the highway, press the front of your car against the rail, then spam your hydraulics until your car gets popped straight into the air.

Great video. What a talented creator to be able to make these type of videos, your usual content and make mods for the games you love. Awesome job.

one of my favorite NFS mysteries are the NFS Carbon canyons that were supposed to be in NFS World but never made the cut. They were hinted at and even confirmed yet never made it. Always made me question how those canyon races would play out in an online scenario or if drifting was going to exist. But since World is shut down we will never know.

I would like to shed some lights on the cop speeches part from the 350Z missing entry There are 5 other speeches unused in MW2005, those are: -Chrysler -Mini -Opel -A generic sedan and a Pagani which was somehow mixed up with the Volkswagen cop speeches There were 3 more but none of them have ever been recorded leaving the dispatcher tongue-tied when assigning those missing speeches to any car in the game

An explanation to why they removed the antenna on the M3 GTR: unlike most(if not all) of the NFS series cover cars, the M3 GTR is not a regular car just modified, it’s an actual race car built for the ALMS endurance series. As such, the car does not have the antenna, so it was cut from the game. Where the developers actually did the mistake, was in removing the antenna from the street version of the M3 GTR, as it should have it.

This video is a masterpiece! Thank you so much for the amount of time you spent making it! Amazing work! :)

Thanks for making that vid man, keep the good work. I love nfs stuff and i love you and Kuru!

If you've listened to the helicopter voice lines, one of the voice lines goes something like "suspect is entering a no fly zone... Yeah by the airport" - which in turn will cause the helicopter to be forced to break visual contact with you. Also, there are voice lines and the player hitting the helicopter and causing it to say something like "we have been hit" and "dispatch are you reading this, we have just collided with the suspect vehicle". Furthermore, there a voice lines of the helicopter saying that the suspect has entered the Hospital and the Hotel And finally, if you noticed, in the final game, spikes are always either on the left or in the middle of the road. (excluding the roadblock that has spikes on both sides of the road but not the centre) however, there are voice lines that say that the spikes are specifically on the right, not by the helicopter, but by the units that call out about them.

I remember screaming cops in Need For Speed III Hot Pursuit and High Stakes, but not in Most Wanted...

Wow this is an amazingly well-made and researched video. Thank you for this quality content.

What I was waiting for, and such high quality too omg

Eden, I would like to say thanks. I remembered playing a rally game when I was really little which was free in a cereal box. I couldn't remember the title, until now. It was NFS V Rally 2.

Wow! I used to be a MW modder and this brought me right back to ~2015. If you ever make a sequel or you're just bored, here are some other things you can research: - GTRCars Forums - BMW M3 GTR's yellow headlights - UG2/MW debug menus - MW 1.4 Community Patch - Cancelled spinner rims in MW - Arushan's disappearance - MW traffic vehicles that appear only in certain scenes (ambulance/SUV etc) I can go into more detail about these if you want, so let me know if you'd like me to share!

Finally I’ve been looking for this, thank you

your video transitions to iceberg levels cause goosebumps. so atmospheric.

Thanks for including my revival of NFS Theories 😅 I done it in ladt month before shutdown after disagreements with admin of original NFS Theories and transferred people over to new forum with help of several friends :)

I kinda wish that you would have included the legendary Cheatby999. The guy who has done some incredible stuff that to this day hasn't yet been replicated. I remember following a thread back in the day that delved into this and especially the pilotable police helicopter in mw. If I can recall correctly they talked about needing to have a Chinese copy of the game and a special injector from some Chinese forum. I'm pretty sure that "Most Wanted Terrorism" was done by the same guy or a guy from the same group as Cheatby999

Thanks for making this video :)

I LOVE that you put shift 2 music in level 7 and 8!

I love the use of Undercovers ambient soundtrack! That's mainly why the game holds such a special place in my heart to this day. As a kid I would play the living hell out of this game and the music is what truly made it special. The atmosphere was also a great addition to the game and just fits so well with the music. Sadly the unpolished handling was present. Oh and don't get me started on the cops, they we're damn rough and especially their "busted scenes".

I'm surprised the cut Hummer from MW2012 that never made it into the console/PC release (but was advertised directly) wasn't part of the iceberg.

Loved the video I think I never was so deeply interested in a video, learned a lot as well :D

This was a very interesting watch. Great video!

i remember watching nfs theories about the mystery city and palmont being bigger than you think

im so addicted to nfs mw2005's cut content and seeing an iceberg video of need for speed at all simply made my day. thank you for this video i subscribed

lots of things learned today, i personally thought eagle canyon sign from nfs world was going to be included somewhere, but still a lovely video ! thank you for your hardwork

Amazing video. The music choice really stood out to me

cant believe there is an iceberg for NFS too. Btw ,Most Wanted 2012 would get so much hate if it got remastered

The part I've always been a part of is the character Ryan cooper and how he was in nfs undercover at the start with the police saying we caught the suspect first name ryan and never seems to take his helmet off and the whole theory that the player character played by you is Ryan cooper

Oh boy, that soundtrack from nfs undercover in the intro of the video is amazing! Subscribed for that.

This is really well put together video.. Kuddos to you!

I enjoyed this video, but I'd love to see an iceberg for the NFS series that really represents the whole series

14:07 It looks like the footage could be for nfs unbound if you see the red trail left behind by the taillight of the car and the smoke animation. Also unbound is by criterion.

now that I took time to make this video, it was an exciting watch. nicely done

Never knew an hour just passed.. Well done.

I loved the video! Glad to be a part of the live audience that saw the research and writing of the script, it turned out as a masterpiece! 💚

Bruh nfs 2021 was just unbound leaks from years before 💀💀💀

Love how you used the NFS Undercover Soundtracks! Keep Up homie.

let’s gooo I want the demos to be showcased! btw great video

I think the most obscure thing in the NFS community is the Return to Rockport book novel, that tells the story of Hero whom they named Thomas Spidowski It's a book that's made by a polish man, and apparently he was the one "responsible" for the story for MW and Carbon I'm quite disappointed at this Ice berg, since it doesn't have everything that people didn't know, and most of these that are mentioned are the things that fans already know, unless they are very new to the series

As a guy who has only played mw05,underground and world.Most of this is pretty fresh

Loved the usage of the Shift 2 menu music at the later sections of the iceberg, always love listening to those remixes

that's a lot of undercover soundtrack- and great video!

Undercover ost fits so well

Funfact: when i play psp nfs shift, the way the debris come out of the sky was smiliarly look like burnout debris. Also, the damage model was uhh... kinda smiliar to burnout dominator

Awesome video and when i hear the soundtrakcs from nfs undercover i really miss those songs are really awesome

Sehr krass wieviel ihr an Information über NFS habt und wie umfangreich die reihe ist ich bin auch selbst mit 20 fan seit dem ersten underground und habe es erst angefangen zu spielen als MW rauskam also schon sehr nice wieviel dahinter steckt und jahre nach release dieser spiele es immernoch vieles zu diskutieren gibt

I remember there being a leaked concept of a game set in post 9/11 NY where you play as terrorists. The concept artwork, a concept video and some plot threads exist. This was conceptualized either post most wanted or during undercover's creation by a small group of devs. As Blackbox used to conceptualize early on because of the hectic schedules, this is extremely possible to have been a grittier undercover or a sequel. The reasons behind cancellation seems to be the obvious moral issues and age rating. I'm also surprised they never mentioned the cut branching narratives that undercover was supposed to have. This has been confirmed and also explains the incohesion of some of the cutscenes in undercover. Great vid man, loved the Undercover and Shift music.

19:35 No wonder there are so many street racers in Rockport.

Finally someone made this I was waiting

Bro this video is amazing