The big issue on at least UK right hand drive versions is where to put your left foot. There's a raised narrow platform due to drive line so foot always at uncomfortable angle.
I'd bet a couple of beers that if the spare tire was mounted underneath you'd complain that it's difficult to access when you most likely need it...off road in the dirt and mud.
Baloney. Firstly, if that was their intention, they could have fitted the tank. But more importantly, there are other places to put the tank, which is why you can buy them for every other truck with under mounted spare
@@xpusostomos Even if it wasn't that is still a great place for a tank. Watch the Australian overland guys and they will surely put either a fuel or water tank there.
You may have to wait because it will probably take the dealership 2-3 years to just sell one at that price and then your additional 2-3 years that you need
First of all you've got to consider the markups, and the exclusivity of this will make the cost much higher than it already is. You also have to consider the fact that internal combustion engine vehicles are all going to become considerably more expensive as they become collectors items. If you can't afford one now, you're prob never going to. Right now is a good time to invest money in cars and long-term storage for your grandkids benefit. I'm sure you'll think I'm crazy like everyone else does, but in 40 years or so, someone's going to pay a million dollars for a hot hatch.
That design is really cool! Very airplane If that makes it to production hopefully the attention to detail stays and those panels don't turn into molded plastic junk.
@@mikeraphone6745 Yes true I was in the Army and the Diesel heater can be stifle'in, but it's still a welcome feeling when trying to get out of bed in the morning in general the wood heat is the best.
I think you are missing the point of the spare tire situation. They did NOT want to have to climb under the vehicle to get a tire. And since there is an optional 2nd placement for 1, it gives it that back country territory vibe. In the USA, shy of Texas, that might not really be a thing to need to have 2 spare tires on a trip. However, think outback territory. Where you are more than days away from your nearest repair shop. Anyhow, it is a very cool looking/multi functional/purpose built machine that would be appreciated by a lot of ... mall crawlers. 🤣
If you are so back country you need 2 tyres, you probably needed all that space for other kit. You'd want one tyre underneath and another on an external carrier. For regular people, either of those options is better than this disaster.
As the owner of a reasonably-modded mid-size truck I think the idea of the Quartermaster is awesome. As the owner of a truck that now has more use for an SUV than a truck I'd take the SUV over the truck. Still awesome to have both options coming that are built on the same platform.
Ah, that makes sense. I also noticed that it had a support strut, meaning that it likely would not close on you if parked while tilted. That was a complaint they made in the video. I do think that few will be towing with these int eh US, so this isn't much of a concern here. These are going to be mall crawlers, sadly. With some exceptions.
The panel style is awesome especially if you solo travel or you and one other person. The barn doors as maybe 50/50 would be better, but the great part is you can create perpendicular storage on the 2nd doors then parallel storage coming out of the back doors.
Welcome to being an ICE enthusiast in the future, when EVs take over the world but not completely ban ICE. I genuinely think ICE will be reserved for the rich in the future.
@@faheemabbas3965 Kind of absurd to think that only elitists will purchase ICE vehicles since they're the only group buying EVs at the moment. Anyone needing a purposeful vehicle would never consider an EV.
Nice review btw TFL. Aftermarket rear bar with swing aways will eventually be available and that will sort the only issue you have with it. The ability to customize it was part of the design ethos from the beginning so watch out for aftermarket kit from ARB and others.
700kg is way lower payload than all of its rivals in Europe which have a 1000kg+ payload. These include all but the Raptor/Adventura version of Ford Ranger/VW Amarok. The low payload actually excludes it from businesses reclaiming the VAT/purchase tax of 20% which makes it totally uncompetitive as a work truck in the UK. Once the initial flurry of enthusiasts have their vehicles this is not likely to make a significant dent in the pickup truck sector. I ordered a Grenadier ‘certified commercial’ with those panel sides but it turned out that it is not a commercial for tax purposes due to its low payload. This means that the Ranger Wildtrak that I’ve bought instead, including a few extras, is nearly £30,000 less expensive for very little less utility and better driving ergonomics and handling, better fuel economy and safety provisions.
@@erroneous6947suburban adventurers will easily exceed these numbers. Heck, 4 big men will weigh 500kg, add a bullbar, water tank, long range fuel and you're done
The reference to BMW and Mercedes parts tell me that maintenance costs will be through the roof. When you start doing “truck stuff” fear 😬 cringing will kick in overdrive
Love the look and concept. I feel like this is a nostalgic vehicle however and not a competition for gladiator, Jeep or a bronco. No aftermarket, less clearance, less articulation, bmw drivetrain is good or bad depending on how you look at it. For 70k starting price is priced well above a similar outfitted gladiator and way less capable. This is going to be another G-Wagon. People buy it for the looks but don’t use it as intended. A few may buy it for the Safari/overlanding lifestyle but never will be a true off-roader. Due to no aftermarket you’ll have to opt for their winch also which is a 4K option! That’s crazy money and you still have to purchase it if you opt for the off-road trim which starts at 80k
@@weetbix2083 gotcha. Can I hear your feedback on why the Jeep, 4Runner and Bronco with a greater aftermarket, better features, better price and better capabilities out of the box arnt as good for overlanding? Not being corny, legit wanna hear feedback from the opposing argument.
love the plastic floors wish US an Other Imports would offer it as a option on their pickups or SUV's interior floors. Had a 1992 F150 with rubber floors so much more easier to clean than smelly carpet.
love your channel and video of the Quartermaster guys. Having had a SUV Pick-Up with a spare wheel under the tub and then had to access it on a wet, muddy road with rear wheels buried in the mud. I can tell you I much prefer having a spare high and dry for easier access. Ultimately the spare wheel can be relocated to the roof rack if you get one.
Okay the trucks are cool for sure, but TOMMY AND ALEX what a team! VOLUMES of product knowledge in both of their heads, great energy, you obviously enjoy each other's company, wow, I am just floored. Obviously Tommy is the heir apparent at TFL, but California and Colorado aren't that far apart, they are both proven professionals in the industry with decades of experience between them, I would definitely be up for more collaborative videos between TFL and A on A with Tommy and Alex. I learned as much as I enjoyed the personalities, and that makes a video worth watching for me! Great job guys!
California and Colorado not that far apart? Not if your flying an airplane, but if your going by ground driving your car, your definitely going to spend some time behind the wheel! It’s 3 or 4 big states away. From Los Angles to Denver is 1016 miles (1635 Km) and from San Francisco to Denver is 1252 miles (2015 Km).
@@americanrambler4972 Its like 650 miles Sacramento to Salt Lake, maybe 450 miles from Salt Lake to Denver. Two day driving trip for sure, can be sketchy in the winter.
Excited for this one - this is the configuration I would buy. There are a couple issues in my mind with it (very heavy, center mounted dash, pricing) but good to see this coming state side. More options are always appreciated
Would be nice to have the option, underneath it can get punctured to or maybe can't access spare tyre in emergency like being bogged down in sand or mud and need tyre out to go bury it and winch out using it. Having it on the back makes sense, and yes in city tyre underneath the tray. Nice piece of kit.
@@bindingcurve huh ? Can u read dude ? I said should i get stuck in sand etc I would take OFF the SPARE wheel bury in the sand up ahead of me an winch myself out to the spare wheel ....I don't know what you are on about.
The problem with putting the spare under the truck is that both the wheel and the mechanism that lowers it get rusted. You either lose the wheel because if falls off or your forced to get the grinder out to cut it off. In the end your spare ends up in the bed anyways.
Yes, while I thoroughly waxed my 2014 Ranger’s chassis from new, I forgot the steel spare wheel. When I needed it for a puncture five years later I was shocked at how crusty the wheel was. Since this is a work truck that is driven only locally, the spare, now repaired, lives in my shed.
Another reason for not putting it under the bed is one well known to Discovery3, Discovery 4 and L320 Range Rover Sport owners………….. you don’t easily notice when the spare has been stolen which was a very common problem until an owner developed a special anti theft plate to protect the spare wheel winch and the wheel. Hanging the spare on the tailgate door might be unsightly and impractical on the school run but at least you can see instantly when it has disappeared in the night!
go back through the comment sections - there's one clown who won't shut up about it. he's personally offended about the decision apparently. something about his wife and blah blah
The Quartermaster is a great name and has the look of a Land Roover. Unfortunately, gladiators aren't selling well, so I think the market maybe saturated.
I think that’s because of economic reasons. I believe buyers want these type of vehicles but are hampered by hyperinflation / rising interest rates. 84 month low interest financing or leasing might be a way to get these into American driveways.
BRG with a tan fabric bed topper would look fantastic. Hope Ineos brings you guys in for some additional content since you flew across the pond. Can't wait to see TFL put the Grenadier through it paces on the trail and towing.
Wish I had the money to say, well, no ones makes the trail rig I want so Im gonna go ahead and start my own company and just make it myself. Really cool looking vehicles. Cant wait to see them in action.
seriously - i wonder how much money they've burned through to get to this point. and the idea of starting an ICE, niche vehicle company NOW of all times, is truly a mind boggling proposition
Cool! I know the Ineos-trucks from the early prototyps because I'm living near Graz where Magna enveloped the Grenadier for Ineos. Always nice to see, when another car you know "since it was a car child" enters the road 😀!
The spare wheel can be relocated to the optional roof rack on the pickup, which is the best place for it if wanting to use the full width of the load bed.
That's a terrible place for it. For one thing, many people have garages with limited clearance. For another thing, ask your wife to get a 40kg wheel off the roof, then put the other one back up there, and tell me how popular you are afterwards. For that matter you try getting a 40kg wheel up there.
@@xpusostomos More people don’t have garage or don’t have a height restriction. Ask your wife to jack up the truck, find the locking wheel nut key, the spare wheel jack key, wind the wheel down and slide it out from underneath a conventional pickup and remove tight lug nuts and swap wheels and stow the flat and you have some superwoman right there. Even lifting the flat up onto the loadbed deck requires a lot of muscle power. It’s all basically a two man job.
@@bindingcurve Really? I have a small fleet of vehicles and at one time, at the same time, owned a Land Cruiser 80, Isuzu Trooper LWB, Range Rover and a Land Rover 110 while my mother ran one of three Nissan Terrano I bought the same day. No garage. Do have sheds, but they are full of more valuable longer term industrial equipment, at least during Winter. Rural people who drive these things daily in all condition generally don’t park them in a garage. High crime areas, maybe more so.
Really cool truck! I personally think it looks better than a Gladiator. I have to agree with everyone on the pricetag and "BMW reliability" will hurt it's sales in the U.S.
@peterhaerberlin7479 I really appreciate your perspective, I am not as familiar with this engine. I assume it was selected for its great qualities. In Canada BMW does not have a reputation as being the most reliable and repairs are very expensive. That combination may lead to some not to select the Ineos.
@@peterhaeberlin7479 Based on modern BMW engine internals, it's almost like they are engineered to fail after the warranty period. BMWs depreciate worse than most other vehicles in the US because they're unreliable, parts are ridiculously overpriced and engineered to not be easily repaired.
@@xjinit That is interesting. In Switzerland BMWs are more expensive than in the US. But they have a market share of 8,1%. They have a top rank in respect of depreciation. They are better than Toyota, which I consider a very reliable brand. One reason may be that, east/south Europeans love them.
The Goodwood festival the best car festival in the world, so much history and everywhere you can think even going back to Roman times, and of course a very short distance from where they make Rolls-Royce cars .
Wow, affluent soccer moms are going to love that thing, especially those with spoilt brats, that internal cage will come in handy. My dream military style vehicle is a Landcruiser Troop Carrier, those bloody Aussies do some amazing Troopies.
Carraro supplies front axles for all those mid size AGCO/MF farm tractors. They specialise in heavy duty steering axles but also make transmissions. Factories in Italy and China that I know of, possibly in other countries also.
@@LEON.1717 Magna-Steyr were contracted to do the design and engineering development. They actually manufacture various vehicles for Mercedes [G-Class], Jaguar [the electric car] and several others including the BMW Z4/Toyota Supra twins. At one time they assembled the M-Class and maybe even the Fiat Panda 4x4.
It is a pitifully small payload for a working vehicle. Isn’t it so low that it won’t actually qualify for VAT relief as a business? If it doesn’t qualify for relief then I can’t see it selling well as it will have a hefty tax penalty as such an expensive car in a high emissions bracket.
@@J00LZ49 You are correct. It does not qualify in the UK for VAT repayment or probably for full business tax relief. It is already dead in the water for the vast commercial vehicle sector, farmers, utility companies, engineers, traders, and so on that are VAT registered. A Ford Ranger Wildtrak is about £30,000 cheaper as a result and that, in isolation, is not a cheap pickup.
@@hedydd2 yeah that is what I thought, and there are very few private purchasers of pickups in the UK, almost everyone that has one has it a business purchase for the massive VAT advantages compared to a car. Like you said no one will be looking at this as a business and think it is worth £30-40k more than a ranger or Hilux.
The small doors are for taking things out like fence posts. Remember this was originally designed as a farming vehicle, and dealing with long things is a part of any farm.
Except that the space between the spare tyre and the small door is so narrow that only a stick-insect could reach the posts without opening the big door. Also unless you get the cargo van version, the floor is not flat to the front when the seats are folded. There is a massive step up to the folded seat back and the front three feet. Farmers mostly buy pickups but British farmers will not buy the Quartermaster because it doesn’t qualify as a commercial vehicle for VAT and income tax write-offs due to its under 1 ton payload. It is no coincidence that all 4wd pickups of the Ford Ranger type available in Europe have a 1000kg+ payload capacity. The Ineos machine does not, due to its heavy unladen weight which limits its legally allowed payload to under the difference between its tare [2900kgs] and the 3500kg limit for this class of vehicle in Europe. So realistically with four people aboard, barely half a ton in the loadbed. In some other world markets this is not an issue but in the UK and many European markets it certainly is for business users.
"No room for plywood, ikea, delivery van" Nope! These vehicles are designed for adventure/overland travel. Purpose built! Excited to see this vehicle in person. Good job guys.
This thing is really cool! I like the old school Gladiator and defender look of this truck/suv and I like the 60’s airplane cockpit layout of the dash with the overhead console features for switch gear. If they are going to price this in the $70,000 to $80,000 range reasonably equipped, Jeep is going to have to decide what they are going to do to update the Gladiator. I think this puppy will give it a run for its money.
Tommy, Carraro are a TRACTOR (&OFF-ROAD AXLE) manufacturer from Rovigo, ands/or, Campodarsego in Italy, methinks. Two Carraro seperate engineering companies evoilved apart (diverged) (founded by two Different family members, Giovanni Carraro (Carraro Agritalia), and Antonio Carraro
I would say as a "purpose built offroad" vehicle they got the spare tire placement right! Anyone who says it belongs under the vehicle has never gotten stuck frame deep in mud, snow, or sand.
This is gonna be instant hit ❤ This is going to blow all suv and midsize pu out the water. Love the bmw v6 and look all that room in the engine bay to get your hands dirty ❤️. Body on frame and solid axle ❤
A 5.5' or 6' bed would have been killer. Otherwise beautiful. The price doesn't even bother me, it's right in line with market expectations for the capability you're getting; actually costs about $20k less than I would have expected from a niche brand. Also, does it come with a fife and drum?
Hi , incoming comment from the uk . I’m a discovery guy , D1 D2 and D3 but been without one for over a year , defenders are ridiculously expensive even second hand and the new one is ££££ for a Chelsea tractor ( rich school run car ). The grenadier actually is better than the classic defender , by being bigger , defender was to cramped , so this is definitely on my wish list , essentially the pick up body you looked at. Full size pick up trucks just ain’t a thing in the uk
I've never been much of a truck guy.. but this might change my mind. I won't be a first adopter but I could see scooping a used one up or new in 3-4 years.
The exterior looks elegant but if the powertrain(engine/transmission) is made by BMW then I question long term reliability. They should’ve put gauges in front of the steering wheel not going full Tesla having everything on the touchscreen. Also, pricing is ridiculous, by the time it’s launched the mark up will put it in the $89k-$103k range. Extra dealer charges will include pin stripe, Freon gas in tires, window tint and all weather floor mats. Haha!
The spares are mounted in the tub because blowing a tire out in the areas the Grenadier is designed to go getting underneath is not always possible. Here is Australia most offroad trucks (or Utes) and wagons designed and outfitted to go offroad never use the spare underneath because it gets stuck abnd no one wants to crawl in mud. Mounted on the tub is fantastic or on the roof.
Grenadier is super cool but equipped properly for offroading with no extras (like leather seating etc) it is $88K (and that is still with 31.5 in tires so add price of wheels and tires onto that). That is $20K more than what it should be to be even remotely competitive with its competition. Very cool veh, but they priced it all wrong. To much to compete with Jeeps and Broncos and such, too cheap to be seen as a status symbol of the wealthy like a G-Wagon. I can only imagine how much the truck is going to be, since they have been hinting for years now that it would be more than the wagon. Sorry but with Gladiators, Tacos, ZR2s, Ranger Raptors and Tremors, and Frontier Pro 4xs, good luck selling this at $90K plus in any numbers. Very cool veh, but I’ll bet they miss their mark on the price.
I think the door is like that so you can close the door with the ladder and still keep the other door open if you have a kitchen accessories. I have a prisoner lol, dog grill in my truck, I'm so going to use that reference.
