The New AI on Gran Turismo 7 is Ridiculous 

Would be funny if the AI reports you and you get a penalty like dropping your online stats or something lol.

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Geneva convention just got annihilated by Alex Albon

@@phoenixsui yes. Or even cutting SR rating to 0.

@@gone.but.forgotten yes. Albono 2.4

Just wait until Sophy learns how to use the chat function and say it's a skill issue

@@csbr75 don't forget to train sophy with league/siege chat

@@disinque6961 C A L L O F D U T Y

@@csbr75*cod voice chat

This is why I just punt Sophy off like every other GT AI ever made

"... And my time being trained for this game will be for nothing."

100%

The missile knows where it is by knowing where it isn’t

Ayrton Senna said it.

If it was driven like it was here, you'd spend so much time fighting the one right behind you, you'd be screwed after a round of pitstops as the rest would over/undercut you. Would definitely be interesting to watch and tweak the difficulty to a player-matched setting though. For the most part they seem pretty realistic.

@@_mickmccarthy I think that's why I'm so interested in seeing it evolve. I want to see if it can make judgment calls on when to make moves. Just plop it onto the Daytona chaos from a few weeks ago for fun 🤣

I guess this will take time since there are loads of variables added but imagine what this could be capable of

AI would thoroughly outclass human opposition at tyre/fuel management. It would be no contest

@@defnotatroll I am curious if they'll be able to scale the abilities of Sophy into something that isn't just a perfection machine.

Slip angle turning. Possible, but very very advanced and Sophy kills it!

@@georgepapo yeah always see the top dogs on the challenges pulling it out where they can in their ghosts, Sophy shows just how much it can do for a lap

@@0Kyron0 exactly. seen it sometimes when steve follows ghosts to imporve his times...

agree

@@georgepapo Noob here: how would that fare for the tires? I would imagine it would have greater effect on tire wear, and if that is true then I wonder if Sophy would take that into consideration when tire wear condition is ON and have moments where they would decide against doing that technique. Pitting and tire strats would also be interesting

Google en passant.

@@SamirGamingREAL lame reddit nerd joke

​@@SamirGamingREALholy hell!

​@@SamirGamingREAL ?

It's also reminiscent of Super GT's Forza Rammers video lmao

@@Reydriel Was just gonna say this

i think it may be a descendant of the youtube algorithm, as it recommended him a really nice bush that he might not've seen if it where just your average ai

this is the exact moment when this AI became totally unrealistic and nowhere near what real driving is about.... having 360 eyesight is awesome but not real...

​@elwingy it is realistic. When defending, that's exactly what I'm looking out for and have dodged many people aiming for me.

exactly

I would proceed to ram the AI to the shadow realm if that ever happened.

@@RandomGuy37 Yeah Fus ro Dahhhhhh !

sophy cute and funny uoooooohhh 😭😭😭

brother what is wrong with you

@@elvpse what is wrong with you???

I never used to think things were cute before having a kid, I can see it 😂

Coming to a Daily Race A near you!

What kind of crafty moves did you have in mind?

To be fair, it doesnt care about sportsmanship. If it works, it will do it.

It adapts to the player so I wonder what you were doing👀

Means your too slow

Yeah, the goal should be to give players a challenge but one that resembles a human challenge rather then a grinding attrition vs a perfect opponent. Adjusted for players skill level obviously. It shouldn't be hard to bake in some realistic 'tenths/hundredths' human reaction times for the AI, rather then the microsecond-perfect reaction times they are able to operate on. With the way AI modelling works, you should be able to generate a couple dozen different AI drivers with a diverse skillset that apes the mixed bag of skill, error-proneness and aggression levels of humans. Given enough exposure to how humans drive. So this month of Public testing should be really good to help train the Sophy AI in all of the ways humans suck, or excel lol.

@@mkaleborn it would be awesome to have more interaction between the other AI drivers. In every GT game so far I’ve never really payed attention to the other racers. They all just felt like obstacles rather than unique drivers, so I never even bothered remembering their names. But imagine an entire field powered by unique versions of Sophy, with unique driving styles, skill levels, even rivalries between each other and the player that change between races. Suddenly each AI racer becomes worthy of attention, just like irl. You’ll have to actually learn their names, and their strengths and weaknesses. There could even be a whole section added to introduce you to the other racers, providing backstories for each of them about how their racing career started, etc. It would massively improve the immersion in the single player career. Imagine having a dedicated rival system similar to Shadow of War where every time you narrowly beat a particular driver, or have contact, or cause them to crash out, they become more determined to beat you in later races, or become more aggressive towards you. Would add some really interesting dynamics to the racing.

Humans can only perform intense concentration for roughly 10 mins at a time

@@mkaleborn are you an AI researcher

What you describe with the bumper racing is exactly why this AI is totally not realistic... this thing behaves like it has 360 eyesight, faultless 100% driving, perfect reflexes and reactions and at the same time i am pretty sure the game code cheats to it when you (the human) press the brake button :P Nowhere near realistic and I hope this isnt what the future of driving AI is supposed to be, because it is simply cheating.

360 wallbounce. Absolutely incredible scenes.

​@@Super_GT Google en passant

holy crap, I didn't even notice it!

Fr, its like it never even happened. Ai just dipped 😂

@Wiking8945 insulting to say the least 1🤣🤣💀

Imagine one that will counter you trying to run it wide or narrow

Well... I'm pretty sure multiple A.I. will have varrying personalities that also reflect on how you drive. Some will be "favorable to aggression" some to "clean driving" some to "dirty driving" etc... And will also reflect, like a human would of similar persona. With actual A.I. that is possible. Sophy is just a first step. And this is huge. We have first living breathing A.I. launched IN A GAME That already challenges the top racers in the world.

@@sermerlin1 Some racing games (I think Grid did this at some point) already implement mechanics like them turning into a rival against you mid race if you hit them or something so they react to what you do and actually start doing similiar things to you because of what you did. Sure that AI isn't as advanced as Sophy but I think this is pretty much the system someone would have in mind when wanting to make it more aggresive. Not make it overly aggresive but directly respond to other people being very aggressive.

I think its great, especially since sooo many grant turismo "offline" players arent used to aggressive opponents, and then get frustrated in multiplayer when they try to push someone off the track like theyre used too but it doesnt work

@@user-bt8xr5si9y nah. That's just programmed machine. Not the same at all. No racing game has real A.I.

Going off the way they exploited those lines at Circuit De La Sarthe a year ago, I get the feeling they already know THAT line.

AIs actually do not need to race with humans to improve. AlphaZero, a self-learning AI, actually learned how to play chess all by itself by playing with itself with absolutely no human input.

​@@trumplostlol3007 a game of chess is far simpler than a race because there are significantly fewer possible scenarios for the AI to learn. In this 1v1 scenario? Sure its basically a time trial for the AI to run optimal laps. In a 14 car race? There are many more variables to consider as each car will be making its own independent decisions that will affect other cars on the track. Hot-lapping doesn't translate to pack racing, but if PD can mock up "player scenarios" where the AI has to deal with races from real people and navigate through the pack, it will improve in its decision making and planning which makes better AI.

​@@trumplostlol3007 Sophy wasn't developed make the perfect lap/race AI. The point of it learning is to provide a lifelike challenge that were based on human input. Sophy's play style is unique and adjusted to every player.

@@trumplostlol3007 Chess is not a racing game. In chess you need to win by logic, learning certain tactics and think way ahead. In racing games, theres emotion, track conditions, different car setups and lots of fighting and variables.

@@Fosten12 You need to understand the term "reinforcement learning" in neural network. ALL learning AIs today are based on Bayesian learning (neural network). Racing AIs reassess probabilities of things that may happen after racing with humans or itself or other AIs. Racing AIs are just like chess AIs, Go AIs, ... AIs don't need human input any more. They learn things by themselves. Say some chat bots only need to be given books. You don't need to teach them grammar. They learn grammar all by themselves. They will learn how to read and then talk over time, all by themselves.

I completely agree with this. I think this Sophy Violette AI model is a basically cheating. It's not realistic in the sense that no one can be on the bumper of a player through a hairpin braking zone and come out of the apex sparkling clean. This bullshit trickery from the model. Of course PD allowed it. "Is it following the laws of physics? No? Okayyy but is it fast? Put it in!"

​@@ATX_Engineer it is cheating in a sense as its perfected the track and is able to drive in such a way in order to beat you and a good 99% of GT players... The hint is in the difficulty selection screen it's called super human 🤣

@@ATX_Engineer I don't think it's cheating and it is probably following the same rules the player is in terms of game physics but the AI is just able to instantly react to changes such as the player braking right infront of them which a normal human cannot do because nobody has such a quick reaction time consistently

@@user-bt8xr5si9y That is exactly my point. I'm not going to be pedantic here, but perception and reaction time still involves physics.

@@froggydarren technically, its probably closer to 99.9% as it's beating top ranked players and even myself is in the top 1% and I suck lol

This is a winning comment

The cake is a lie.

What kind????

Beat it off the line and then defend ferociously.

How about a roulette ticket

ya. it made me realize slower is faster in a way.

Kinda like stockfish for chess

"If you can beat her without cheating, there will be cake"

Who doesn't love a push-to-pass, tell me?

@@Machine_Brad depends. Push (the other car out of the way) to pass is a no-go. Push (a button on the steering wheel to get more power or reduce drag) to pass is OK, but lame. Real racing shouldn't need artificial passing aids! That's what I love about GT3/GT4 racing. Totally different car concepts brought to a common competitive level, all racing without need for DRS, Push2Pass etc...

@@PatsFanGermany Couldn't agree more and similarly to you generally dislike F1, F1 eSports; actually will never watch in favour of GT3 with BlancPain being my go to for all things trackside. I actually was being tongue in cheek about P2P as a move to get by in the corners and as you say a no-go rather than DRS/Button pressing. I find this the bone of contention now in was that pass fair or not.

@@Machine_Brad exactly! My motto is "if I can't pass fair and square within the rules, I don't deserve to pass". But unfortunately many "Simracers" don't see it that way.

They did have a race with the esport drivers before and they were reacting to the other Sophys. I'm surprised they didn't include it here.

It's definitely learning!

Now I really want to see that lol 😭😂

Or worse then capping duds is obvious extreme rubberbanding and cheating KI to keep up then falling off again.

GT8 will have full version of Sophy AI in every race, that will automatically make it the best Gran Turismo ever made.

@@mehrad1983 They should get rid of the single file rolling starts while they're at it. Y'know, like every other racing game?

@@mehrad1983 Loved how the AI denied the ram for example its kind of backing off but then also gets back at you. its really cool. At least if your trying to race it fair. Unlike some brit. whos video i recently watched ;).

well not really tbh... I mind losing to a robot that has 360 eyesight, perfect reflexes and reactions and faultless driving, not to mention her mind reading capabilities of knowing exactly when I will brake, thus allowing her to constantly be 5 inches from my rear end. This isnt realism.

No, it was announced in 2021

Shows how tough it really is, i'm curious to see how other top players perform against it

It's a terrible feature, why can't we turn it off

Only a snowflake would get triggered by AI trolling. Like you, I think its hilarious 😂

@@samuelgeaney7556 how is it terrible? You must be really bad at the game that the faces bug you that much lmao

@@dbzcollector9963 well I will say one thing - the constant sound effects from them are annoying.

@@GaffaTV that agree on the small ping noise can get kind of annoying tho I would imagine when they do a final release they would add an option to turn it off maybe even disable the emojis but for now atleast we got something…. Lol

Imagne one violette sophy being let loose in GTWS. For manufacturers it starts in whatever manu finishes last in the previous season

Seems she ist already learning from human behaviors. 😵

Sophy is going to need some major counselling for PTSD after this month is over. Poor Sophy! lol

? Forza new game isn’t even out yet? If your referring to Horizon . Horizon is an arcade not really a sim . If your referring to the Motorsport then I’d suggest we wait for the new game .

Watch this get into bad hands and cheating being everywhere (Like Rocket league)

@@MomboJumbo Forza has been doing that for the last few versions, the AI cars are artificially sped up when you're behind them, then they slow down if you pass them, and they break in random places and then elastic band forwards in others, also the terrible replay camera angles...

@@MomboJumbo doesn’t matter even the new forza game is gonna have the same ai lol not to mention forza games in general are ass. The only reason people still play horizon is cause it’s on gamepass and it’ll probably be the same for the new Motorsport since they already believe their “drivatar” ai is good when that’s what the original comment was referring to.

Save the compliments for when Sophy replaces the current abysmal AI that’s in GT7. These Sophy races are essentially just a month long demo, and ONLY if you’re playing on PS5 can you even do them. Forza’s AI, while flawed, still offers better racing than GT7’s AI in the single player.

Yeah I'm really waiting for this to be a thing. Not being able to have a full grid for just me and 2 friends to race each other is frustrating.

Was, frage ich euch, haben die Römer je für uns getan?

’tis like Knight Rider theme mix… if you were around those days

Its a time event...enojy while you can, this is not the end of that AI development...its a soft launch for the sake of getting it better for the final launch.

@TSEDLE333 That's what I was referring to, maybe next few days would be a more appropriate time frame. Some people will probably want to spend a lot of time racing the AI, because it's limited for now, and develop bad habits as a result. Obviously this is strictly speculation with no evidence to back my claims.

Racing other people will give you even worse habits lol. Sophy backs off so it at least teach it you that or overtake with minimal to no contact.

There was an article on Sophy a while ago where they said pretty much this. I'll try to find it later but the team pretty much said that learning it to not be ultra aggressive took a lot of time, as it would dive into every tiny gap. The fact that it can back off already seems better than what they described.

the chastain special

Where did you get that info? Don't think it works like that but idk.

@@mclarenf1gtr99 It's a machine learning AI. It will learn the more times it race.

@@KikuraKun the problem is, I can see alot of people ramming the ai, they could possibly start ramming players for no reason

@@CL4SSiCS Well, I get what you're saying. There could be a preventive measures.

@@CL4SSiCS I think the developers are well aware of that and negatively reinforce contact to counter it.

GT8 where Sophy is who you train against to be competitive versus online multiplayer

Or have bop and limits on Tyres cars and with Better ai add qualys

Think he's called Super GT but as you say, he didn't say it. Therefore I'm not entirely sure.