The New Best Secondary Battleship In World of Warships (Libertad First Impressions) 

Something not mentioned is that the heal is also able to heal back a greater percentage of normal pen damage back, 65% instead of 50% as found on most battleships like on Ohio so the Panamerican BBs need to take a lot less damage before being able to use their heals to full effect.

Whats the difference between Como and Libertad? Liber is for steel?

Great point! I completely missed that.

@@SteelxWolf comodoro allowed him to use the special pan am commander in the match, it's an exact clone of libertad otherwise

"i was wrong about" should be the name of a new section of your channel.

... to be honest after ww2 many german/nazi have moved to south America , so is still german/nazi ...

You are wrong. German bbs have 2 very special thing about them: gigantic damage generator that is called superstructure and bad eyes sight canons.

Good XP pinata

They know what sells to their brain dead player base who thinks the W button stands for win and can't figure out how to aim main guns.

@@bokute2020 sounds about right, however Preussen's main battery's aren't that bad

Amazing to get your guns boosted so quickly 👍

Look what they did to the Thunderer WG a$$holes, after six years they nerfed this ship, and now we have ships even stronger than the Thunderer to take away 1.5 km the ship lost that appeal that made that ship special playing the British ship. fu wg make It right and put it back the way It was....

You forget the 3rd option, German BB's carry on being ass and they don't nerf this thing because making people grind new lines to have fun makes them more money off premium.

German BBs were obsolete for a LONG time until they introduced the Scheliffen line split. There is zero point in playing GK or Preussen unless you want to meme. The only BB line that didn't fall too hard from powercreep over these years were the American BBs. I guess WG doesn't want to anger the freeaboos, but they're still versatile at their jobs even after all these years (even if there are better alternatives to the Montana).

​@@SoldierOfFateif pruseens and gk got a turret angle buff that would be huge. As is, you have to expose 38 degrees to get all the guns off. And buff the atrocious accuracy. Those 2 things could make them relevant again.

I mean they did the exact same thing to schlieffen when it first came out

They bait players to spend festive tokens on that commander , and not SC (sucking containers) and other rewords , after few weeks they will nerf it , just look up Kuznetsov , that is scam.

People have been telling this for years, and i have yet to see this happen

I would LOVE for Wargaming to nerf absolutely busted additions like Gdansk, but they haven't, and likely won't, because this claim that they intentionally add OP ships just to nerf them later is bunk. This lie has been perpetuated for years with no evidence...

@@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2toeveryone always says it and there’s basically 0 evidence. Stuff like Jinan, Marseille, Vermont, Yodo etc have only gotten buffed after their early access period.

That’s not always true about nerfing after release, that is more true about other game(Helldivers 2 for example) because my Rhode island is still packing a punch and Essex is still OP and Cassandra is still strong and Gdańsk line is strong. So I see a lot of examples where WG sells you op ship and still stays strong.

Nope , I ranked out gold playing Pommren & Karl .

@@Huzarionix Just because you did does not make the Pom a good ship or not in need of help. I am not saying it is a bad ship. I just get sick of people posting stuff like this. A good player can win in almost any ship. Its the average player you need to balance around.

Pommern is fine, if anything ships like these need nerfs, WG is releasing ships that are too good and powercreeping everything

@@Uthandol Is not case bad ship , good ship , is case good player , bad player , I am average player 56% wr in 16k battles , if someone like I , can make that ship work , that ship is good and dont need buff , on the other side tech line T9 german bb Friedrich der Grosse need buff as 2024 just 8 guns with pathetic dispersion are just too little . o7

@@Huzarionix U r unicum m8 wtf u talking about pommern only works in ranked not in the fucking randoms

All their games are going this way. Look at wot pc and blitz. Blitz is filled with a bunch of fantasy tanks. They ditched historical accuracy a long time ago. Used to be that tanks weight and horsepower was accurate. Now they buff and increase the Tigers engine hp and it's weight.

Yep, there's a whole bunch of utterly total nonsense introduced into this game that never belonged in the first place. A real shame a company cannot stick to how it should be instead of inserting trash.

Can you think of an example where they did this?

@@j_taylor Quite a few. There was the one battleship they sold then removed and then brought back at a lower ability. There was a big stink over it. The moskva was more powerful at early access for doubloons then got nerfed after release. I can't remember the name of the battleship as I never bought it. Basically pick any ship that had a doubloon release and it's been nerfed shortly after free release.

@@hiddentruth1982 I don't know what that "one battleship" was, but Moskva was never sold for doubloons: it was a tech tree shop and now for coal. It seems neither of us can think of an example.

​@j_taylor he's probably fear mongering. WG rarely nerfs the fuck out of ships. Very rare. St Vincent was considered overcooked when it was released, and it received a very minor nerf.

And actually quite protected from CV strikes(not because of AA, but because of strong deck armor and small superstructure).

Graf is a cv....

@@O_6O3__ totally not the point... Talking about it's release history.

@@O_6O3__cruiser u mean

@@TimeToGetFunkyy no….Graf zep is a cv, Graf spee is a cruiser

@@terribleduck4046 r/woooosh

Good job Operations will be available to all tiers from the next patch.

I thought german bbs already get buffed dispersion. They should now have same dispersion formula as usn ships. They should also generally have higher alpha for same caliber guns and also have pretty good ballistics. Shlieffen has hydro and torps, perfect for pushing in. Seems decent enough still. Hindenburg has 4 heals base for better than average survivability with all the other features like 6km hydro and improved HE pen. Elbing could still be pretty good, strong ap and literally best dispersion in the game (leading to better effective dpm). Thought people liked having very good dispersion. I won't comment on subs and cvs. So it seems german ships are still pretty decent/good in the game.

This Pan-Am line with its captain is the final nail in the coffin for Germany in WoWs. They could aswell remove everything german from the game and you wouldnt really notice cause its utterly redundant now. Either this or some real effort into buffs like we ve seen on Jinan for example. But i highly doubt that will happen. Jinan got buffed with effort cause an entire market was unhappy with it. German boomer whales on the other hand keep pumping money into the game even tho their nation in this game is a sad junkyard...

@@exarex9697 The buff to the German dispersion pattern is that they follow US dispersion. That did somewhat improve the hit rate, but with guns as wildly inaccurate as German guns, you still only hit about 5 shells out of 12 from 17km on a GK - and not all of them are Penetrations either due to the wide dispersion. On the Preußen it's slightly better, but you don't reap much benefit from it since you're going to be firing only up to 8 shells per 21-ish seconds from about 20km - that opens you up to a lot of counterfire from enemy BBs, and the problem with that is that German deck armor ain't good at stopping plunging fire. Even with their turtleback armor, you still get citadel'd by Yamato and Montana at close ranges, so you don't even see much benefit from the armor layout either. Hindenburg gets 4 heals, 3 of which you can't use as soon as the Yamato figures that you're a slow moving target with an armor layout perfectly suited to getting citadel'd by plunging fire. The problem with the Elbing is that it takes up a DD slot to effectively play a CL minus the utility. CLs minus the utility are borderline useless if they can't deal enough DPM to either scare targets away or delete them entirely. DDs are supposed to capture targets and take buffs and spot - that's their best use for in battle. The Elbing does none of those effectively. Even if it does have the best dispersion and great penetration angles, it's still not taking caps and it can't fight other DDs. German CVs have paper planes, and even with all skills dumped towards plane defenses, you can only get about 1-2 attack off per launch or risk shredding your reserves. It's easy to get deplaned as a German CV if you're not careful. The subs are kinda decent, but that's not taking into consideration that they're all likely to get powercrept in the future with releases of other SS lines from other nations.

@@briansantos1700 idk if you are just trolling or not. So both usn bbs and german bbs have the same dispersion formula but somehow just because they are german guns means they become inaccurate? Bruh. I would have at least agreed if you said usn bbs mostly slot a strong accuracy upgrade in slot 6 while german bbs usually opt for secondaries instead of main gun accuracy and that makes the difference. If german bbs also build for main gun accuracy, I think their hit rates wouldn't be that much different. And also yes german bbs can be citadeled at close range but that requires a very precise shot into its cheek armor that is unlikely to actually work. Most of the time, shooting the belt armor, the turtle back absolutely works to prevent all citadels. Hindenburg has pretty poor maneuverability, sure, but that does not automatically mean it gets citadeled all the time with plunging fire. At long ranges, it is likely to just eat lots of pen dmg but likely not citadel dmg and that is where that extra heal can come in handy. Actually I think elbing can fight other dds somewhat okish. It has improved ap that can fuse on an angled dd and do lots of dmg and has 25mm mid section plating that can shatter the HE of a lot of dds if they don't run ifhe. And then with the leg upgrade, it can have a 20% speed boost.

What ships replace the handy? I absolutely love the hindy. I'm a dead on 50%er so I'm not that good, yet i average 120k dmg in the windy which is huge for me. I'll be playing and look up and my damage is at 150k and it doesn't feel like much.

WG luvs BBs.

@@EvoraGT430they love money 💰

Same for Lütjens. WG could aswell remove him and all german lines from the game at this point. They made this nation completely redundant. The final nail in the coffin is this Pan-Am line with its captain.

The German lines have been powercrept since forever. Hindenburg was the only one that survived the purge longer than the other lines.

@@SoldierOfFate Hindenburg succumbed to all the 30mm overmatch, Nevsky and re-buffed Henri. Schlieffen was the last one standing.

Jeeze thanks. Lol. We get some of the worst and best moments which is why we try to balance them. Wargaming will listen when they listen. People like you don't understand.

@@shadthompson9297 Dont understand? What is there not to understand I have seen 5 testers in the last 2 weeks everytime they didnt perform bottom of the leaderboard.

@@miep6463 you don't understand the people selected for Testing. You think Wargaming allows a lot of testers below the WR of 51%? Most of us testers are very good at the game and we provide data to Weegee.

Not really cracked. Schlieffen line have hydro, short DCP, better overmatch and concealment.

true, just jope that the german line doesn't get obsolete. But I would be surprised if they don’t nerf this thing

Or like have their man guns be somewhat usable. They have less shells in the air than like any other ship and can‘t hit shit even when building for main guns and idk if the reload makes up for it

NO BBs should have torps!!

@@EvoraGT430 and torps can detect torps?