The new EG4 12KPV inverter review & testing~ Massive surge capacity in one small package

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In this video I install the new EG4 12Kpv. I also do some load tests and discuss some of the features the inverter has. This inverter is a great mid range option for people that are in the market for a hybrid inverter.
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@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Affiliate links to the 12kpv signaturesolar.com/eg4-12kpv/?ref=mpmddlkx6M9tPo Current Connected link to the inverter www.currentconnected.com/product/eg4-12kpv-48v-hybrid-all-in-one-inverter/?ref=xhJJBPDS

@easttexascowboy257 2 месяца назад

Good job on the video, as always! And congrats on passing 20k subscribers!

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Thanks. It’s all uphill from here!

@thinde88 2 месяца назад

Great review. Tell EG4 I want an outdoor rated 6000XP next!

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

👀

@d.pollard5962 2 месяца назад

@@thinde88 that is basically the 12kpv. It would cost that much with a 10 year warranty, and sealed for outdoor use. The cost would be close to or the same so not worth the build. Great idea though. The price point and features on the 6000xp is the why it is so awesome 😎

@ifyoubuildit6077 2 месяца назад

@@d.pollard5962 warrantying a sealing a $1500 unit makes the price $3500? I dunno about that...

@ifyoubuildit6077 2 месяца назад

me too

@AdamDeLay07 2 месяца назад

Looks like a beast! I like that it's got the same features as the 18kPV just slimmed down.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Yeah. It’s an 18kpv with short legs.

@hendersonsobers396 2 месяца назад

Really cool video Gavin. Glad to see your channel growing.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Thank you sir. You were one of the early subscribers. 😉

@ToddLarsen 2 месяца назад

This is a great sounding unit, and the price is a lot nicer than the 5k I am currently looking at. Hmmm, it might be changing my mind. Thanks for sharing, and as always, keep building 👍

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

It really just depends on how much power you need. The 18kpv does provide a lot more power when needed.

@ToddLarsen 2 месяца назад

@GavinStoneDIY I used your affiliate link to order a 12k, I hope they give you a good kickback 👍

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@ToddLarsen man I really appreciate that. It’ll be neat to see you making content with this inverter!

@ToddLarsen 2 месяца назад

@GavinStoneDIY cnc plasma table, 3d printers, water heater, and a whole lot more. Air conditioning in the back 40, lol

@prepsolar787 2 месяца назад

waoo!! nice well this will be my upgrade to my 6000xp if i decide to sell back to the grid. here in puerto rico the grid company is a mess thats why i have not considered to get a hybrid inverter. plus my 6000xp is working flawless 24/7 from day one. but got to say price range the 12k is a good option. like always excellent video my friend

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Yeah if someone needed an inverter for net metering this would be a great option. It also has the grid features. Like you mentioned though, it’s hard to go wrong with a 6000xp for off grid uses.

@PRVRT1 2 месяца назад

Im' in PR too. Running 24/7 on one 6000xp and got a second in parallel about a month ago. I f you decide not to sell to the grid it would be better to get a second 6000xp. Luma / grid will continue to get worse as people keep connecting to it for solar.

@ericnewton5720 2 месяца назад

Stop voting democrats in puerto rico

@exploitthechildless1510 15 часов назад

@@GavinStoneDIY Many states are either prohibiting or restricting net-metering. 9 states allow power companies to sell at 15 cents per KWH and only purchase solar power at 3 cent per KHW. You would have to send the power company 5 KHW for every KHW you use. Given the costs of hybrid inverters v outgrid inverters that is an issue as well. Outgrid inverters are half the price as hybrid inverters.

@GavinStoneDIY 14 часов назад

@@exploitthechildless1510 this is true. But hybrids offer more options than just net metering. They can also interact with the grid in ways the off grids can’t. For instance you wouldn’t need a critical loads panel with a hybrid. Which can save a lot of labor for people depending on their setup. Peak shavings and time of use settings are more common with hybrids also. So it all depends on what someone is trying to accomplish.

@willfixthingsfordonuts 2 месяца назад

As a happy EG4 6000XP owner, I'd like to see a load/start comparison of 2 6000XP and this 12K. I'm one of those guys who will feed batteries rather than the grid.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

That really wouldn’t be an apples to apples comparison. The output on this inverter is 8kw. 2 XP’s output 12kw. The 6000XP’s have a really robust surge capacity. But the 12kpv is definitely impressive when it comes to surges also.

@Roll2Videos 2 месяца назад

Very nice!

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

🙋🏻‍♂️

@TylerTheCompiler 2 месяца назад

great job as always thank you...would LOVE to see a comparison to the NHX-10K...that NHX seems to be holding up pretty well from what I read on the forum, and the price is really good too...

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Yeah the NHX has a bit more output power. But it lacks an AC coupling option. This inverter is way easier to wire up because of the wiring compartment space. Plus it has better line balancing and surge specs. Although the NHX is still cheaper. It probably depends on what someone needs out of the inverter.

@thedabbler2753 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIYI’d be eager to see the comparison too. I learned the hard way about line balancing on a 3k unit which couldn’t handle an 1800W microwave or coffee maker so am curious how the NHX fares here.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@thedabbler2753 the NHX could handle just over it’s rated output on a single line. But not for too long. I do like the multiple MPPT options on the NHX. You could have 4 arrays in different areas with that inverter.

@thedabbler2753 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY the multiple MPPTs is a major sell for me. Lots of shading here so I have three strings on the go at present. ps. I know this probably isn't the thread but if you have any data on how the NHX does with house lights flickering, or inductive loads. Maybe a future video when the EG4 fun dies down a bit ;)

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@thedabbler2753 I’ll be honest. I wish I still had it. It was just a loaner for a review. I had zero flickering lights. And it did better than I anticipated on inductive loads. It wouldn’t have the lengthy surge time of a Lux inverter, but it can keep that steady 10kw rating.

@alexherrera3918 22 дня назад

Great videos, thanks Newibie question: why you did not another eg4 batteries ?

@GavinStoneDIY 22 дня назад

Could you elaborate? I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to ask.

@Marlin-m9m 9 дней назад

could you elaborate how the four inputs into two MPPTs can be used in an advantageous way? thanks a lot, great video

@GavinStoneDIY 9 дней назад

Sure thing. It’s essentially 2 mppt’s. But 4 inputs. So if you have a large array, this allows you to parallel the panels by running 2 separate strings from the same array. Paralleling the panels raises the amperage but keeps the voltage the same. Hope this helps.

@Marlin-m9m 6 дней назад

@@GavinStoneDIY Great, thank you so much, that makes sense. I'm assuming that the MPPT can then optimize each string separately for more power output. thanks again, I enjoy your channel

@GavinStoneDIY 6 дней назад

@@Marlin-m9m it can optimize the 2 inputs in that way yes. Technically you could combine the inputs out at the array and send them in. The fact that they have 2+2 just makes it so you can skip buying a combiner box.

@thaddeustroyer Месяц назад

If you wanted max inrush the best way i know if is to have the compessors @ 80-ish psi, this will give you the hardest start for the compressor and max amp draw, then also have your lift off the ground raising the vehicle. Then if you want add a resistive heater/hairdryer (or 2-3) on max. That might have tripped the 12k? Idk, just an idea.

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

Yeah I need to work on getting more inductive test loads.

@thaddeustroyer Месяц назад

@GavinStoneDIY sorry, although this comment is true, somehow ye ole' interwebs and cyberspace combined and left this comment on the wrong video. I'm not sure how this happened. Lol. I still love your channel and the videos you put out are helpful and informative... plus I like them. Anyway, thanks for the feedback and hope you have a wonderful day.

@joetripp123 2 месяца назад

Nice unit. I really like how it pairs well with the wall mount batteries from EG4. If I needed grid interactive features this is what i'd go with as I don't need 18k level power. I love that it's dead quiet till over 6kW and a low idle consumption. Thanks for the review Gavin. Oh, can you clarify - can you run both a power pro and a bank of LLs rack batteries on one inverter via bus bar? Thanks.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Thanks! Yes you can run both. They’ll parallel and communicate together without an issue. I’ll try to show that in my next video on the 12kpv. They have the same BMS, so it works really well.

@kirkking6601 Месяц назад

Seems like 2 of these would be great for an offgrid whole home system. Run the shop and the house on one system.

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

Yeah that would work great. And they run so smooth too.

@northidahodreaming5657 2 месяца назад

Thanks for review this.....well done!

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Thanks! I had a good time on this one

@eg_ruis Месяц назад

Any example(s) to show generator connected, ie. charging batteries, simulated grid down, position of switches ?

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

Sure I’ll see if I can throw that in the next one. Honestly though I usually recommend the chargeveter. It really depends on what generator you have, but the chargeveter can eliminate some potential issues. If you haven’t watched my video on that it might be helpful.

@ruisEG Месяц назад

@@GavinStoneDIY a Honda EU7000ISNAN generator, no chargeverter should be required with this Honda inverter

@fernarias 2 месяца назад

with prices now out it would be better to get 2x 6000xp that can output 240V at 50A (12000 watts) and cost less for both.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

For off grid it’s hard to beat the XP. And they do a fantastic jobs on surges also. But for people considering one standalone unit that has a waterproof rating, is quiet and runs smooth, this could be a good option.

@d.pollard5962 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIYwith a closed system. No dust

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@d.pollard5962 yeah that’s a big factor.

@ridingvenus 17 дней назад

Drule😛I want need 2..of these!!

@GavinStoneDIY 17 дней назад

They are really nice machines for sure.

@alexherrera3918 21 день назад

Great video - Is it capable to handle one 2.5ton and a 3.5 ton at the same time. I want put them on this system. UNfortunatelly i do not have solar panels yet. I just want to make sure if i get enough solar panels i will be able to run those.... thaanks

@GavinStoneDIY 20 дней назад

I always recommend installing a soft start on your central air unit. It cuts down the startup amperage considerably. It’s unlikely they would both be starting at the exact same moment so I think you’d be fine. But you’d probably be using around 5,500 watts of power to run them. That’s a bit of a guess without seeing the specs. So you wouldn’t have much room for other loads.

@alexherrera3918 20 дней назад

@@GavinStoneDIY thanks for the response. How do i get a soft star? would that reduce the time to obtain the set temperature faster? At the moment it takes like 5 hours to go from 82 to 77 during the day , and finally get it at afternoon or night where outside is cooler. o course here in Houston we were at 109 yesterday. Can i use my smart meter to estimate max peak load per day ?....i have see the plots on a max of 2.5kwh for the entire house during peak temperature 4 to 7pm. could i assume that my max ac consumption is less than 2.5kwh? sorry for too many questions but i am deciding on going with this solar units and it is a big investment. i hope you can comment. thanks again!!

@joshhartin78 2 месяца назад

Nice! Great video as always. 👏🏻

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Thanks man

@jerryguerrero4354 2 месяца назад

Great video! One question, your LL batteries are paralleled to the indoor power pro batteries on the bus bar on the indoor power pro? and communication as well I'm assuming?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

Exactly. Technically they are using the exact same BMS. I’ll try to show that in a follow up video.

@jerryguerrero4354 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY Thank You! I would appreciate it. I have 3 LL's and looking to purchase 1 indoor power pro , so I'm looking to do the same. Just want to make see how it's done before I pull the trigger. All Great videos, keep it up.

@amycraven2404 Месяц назад

Sad that the 6000xp is not ul 4590 approved so you can’t use it on grid won’t pass inspection.

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

Probably depends on the jurisdiction. Since a lot of people are essentially using it as a UPS, I wouldn’t think it would be an issue in that case.

@boblatkey7160 28 дней назад

Bro UL 9540! 😂. And that's not true anymore, they are listed to UL 9540 A. Good to go!

@Jay-fc4fg 2 месяца назад

Currently have no power for last 3 day from Hurricane Beryl.. how would I connect a dual power generator?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

I’m not sure what “dual power” means. Connect it to the 12kpv? A chargeveter would be ideal. If not you can wire it into the generator port. You’ll need a cord with a nema 50 or 30 connector to hook into the generator.

@Jay-fc4fg 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY awesome thank you!! If i did so could I charge and power my home at the same time.... or would this be bad for the 12KPV AND OR BATTERY?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@Jay-fc4fg yes you can do both assuming you have enough power. You can adjust your charging amperage on the 12kpv to make sure you don’t go beyond your generators limits.

@DOO718 День назад

Can you run a 12Kpv and a 6000XP in Parallel?

@GavinStoneDIY 20 часов назад

Yes. But not in the conventional sense. They wouldn’t have direct communication with each other. You could add the xp’s output into the input or generator port of the 12kpv like I did in the video. Essentially it treats the 6000xp as a mini grid, and draws from it when necessary.

@jhojaD 2 месяца назад

It would be an interesting comparison vs Deye, apparently egyll is a better option.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

The LL’s and Pro batteries are a better option in my opinion. Yeah this is obviously cheaper than a Solark 8k. I wish I had one on the wall to test them side by side.

@markpartin8403 2 месяца назад

I noticed the two communication cables seem to be (Labeled) specific. I am assuming they are labeled to either assist people with knowing the location to plug them in, or they are not standard Ethernet (T568A/T568B) terminated. Is one of the cables a crossover?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

The parallel cables have a specific pinout. The battery communication cables are just cat6 cables I believe.

@markpartin8403 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY Hey thanks for the response ! I appreciate the information your channel provides.

@carlossantini 2 месяца назад

Another great video! Could you set it up 120/208 and check voltages on phase-to-phase and phase-to-neutral? We live on a condo (USA) we get 120/208 service from the grid.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

208v? Wow

@carlossantini 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIYhi, yes is oretty normal for condos and apartment complexes in the US. Could you set it to 120/208 and confirm if the voltages are in fact 120/208?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@carlossantini sure. I’ll take a look this weekend if I get a chance.

@boblatkey7160 28 дней назад

That's tricky because these inverters are split phase and if you have two legs of a 120/208 service the phase angles are 120° off, not 180° like a typical split phase electrical circuit, so it is not just a matter of adjusting the voltage range. As a long time off grid specialist I steered clear of these types of installations or I only powered 120 VAC loads. You can do it just be sure to do your homework and get somebody who knows what the heck they're doing which is not easy!. 😂😂😂

@2point..0 2 месяца назад

I...Like...It!!! I...Want...One!!!

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

They are nice machines for sure! I’ll be working on another video for it next week hopefully.

@2point..0 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY I will keep my eyes open for it, I am designing a different type of home and this 12KPV would be a great fit for it, form~fit~and funtion!!!

@ianstephenson650 2 месяца назад

Gavin, this is what I need. Do you think two 6000xp would be more powerful utilizing 16k worth of PV? Two 6000xp would still be cheaper but at the expense of bit more idle consumption. I am really having a hard time deciding although my application is off grid.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

2-xp’s vs 2-12kpvs?

@ianstephenson650 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY I am not sure what your answer is, should I buy 2 6000xp or 1 12kpv?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@ianstephenson650 ahhh ok. I was just asking if you were considering 2 of each. It really depends on how much power youll need. The 2 6000xp’s will output 12,000 watts. And you’ll be limited to 8,000watts with the 12kpv. So things like water wells or larger electric appliances have to be taken into account. The 12kpv wouldn’t be able to utilize the entire 16k of solar. So that’s another factor. And then redundancy is something to ponder also. If one of your XP’s goes down for some reason you’ll still have power. If the 12kpv drops then you’d be out of power unless you have another backup. There is something to be said for both really.

@KeithOlbermannn 2 месяца назад

Are you going to do a similar review of midnite's latest AIO?

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

I’m still pondering that. I’m looking forward to seeing more of Adam’s videos on it. And I may get one to stress test. They look really cool.

@shimronsimpson3380 Месяц назад

Does it have an ats for the generator?

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

Yes. Also dry contacts to engage on auto start for a generator.

@boblatkey7160 28 дней назад

Internal isolation relays, not ATS.

@KoiAquaponics Месяц назад

What gives better surge load, 1x 12kpv or 2x 6000xp?

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

The 12kpv is actually 8kw of continuous output. The 6000xp’s are each 6000 watts. So you’d have 4,000 watts more with 2 xp’s. Are far as surges, the 12kpv is awesome. I believe the XP’s might have a slight upper hand though on inductive loads/surges. They are just so tough.

@KoiAquaponics Месяц назад

@@GavinStoneDIY 2x 6000xp is cheaper, but I actually need about 18kw output for house and ev charging. Maybe 3x 6000xp since that will be about $4500 only.

@GavinStoneDIY Месяц назад

@@KoiAquaponics yeah in that case you’d be good with 3 XP’s. Just keep in mind you’ll need enough battery storage to power the units. So right around 5 rack batteries at least. Or 3 pro wall mount batteries.

@KoiAquaponics Месяц назад

@@GavinStoneDIY yeah I acquired 3 ev packs and they will give me like 90kwh once I put bms on them.

@lucthien601 2 месяца назад

Look like you combi Server Rack Batteries and Wall Mount Indoor Battery. Next video can you show me the batteries connection + Inverter Communication (RJ45) Thank you.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

I’ll try to add that yeah.

@lucthien601 2 месяца назад

@@GavinStoneDIY Thank you. I ask that because I have 4 Server Rack Batteries on my 6000EX love to update to 18K inverter and add Wall Mount Indoor Battery later.

@GavinStoneDIY 2 месяца назад

@@lucthien601 yeah I’m still using the 18k for the house off grid. Still working fantastic