The new German double-decker train that everybody HATES!

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This is Deutsche Bahn's new Twindexx Intercity 2 train, a controversial addition to the DB fleet. Does this double-decker train really deserve the hate it gets? Let's find out today, as I travel from Nuremburg to Stuttgart in First Class.
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Journey Details:
Origin: Nürnberg Hbf
Destination: Stuttgart Hbf
Company: Deutsche Bahn (DB)
Train: DB 147.5 + Intercity 2 'Twindexx Vario'
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 203 kilometres / 126 miles
Price: €33.80 (£28.40 / $34.40)
Time: 2 hours 10 minutes, arrived 9 minutes late
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@Zugdurchfahrt311 24 дня назад

Among Germans this train has earned the nickname Teppich RE, transalating to carpet Regional train, which describes it pretty well

@valentin6824 24 дня назад

And i have no Problem with it.

@AntonasBW 23 дня назад

Die Bahn hätte ihn ja auch mit einer Zulassung von 189 km/h bestellen können… Aber die Strecken sind ja ‘für diese Geschwindigkeit nicht ausgelegt‘.

@Johnnyr-yb7ff 23 дня назад

@@AntonasBWklar sind sie das größtenteils. Nur ist es unnötig weil ICEs für diese Strecken da sind

@lukasoffen2420 23 дня назад

@@AntonasBW These units run on following >= 200 km/h tracks: Köln-Hannover-Dresden (~ 700 km) (parallel) Hannover-Leipzig Köln-Bremen Nürnberg-Regensburg München-Augsburg Karlsruhe-Frankfurt-Erfurt-Leipzig (~ 500 km)

@Busfreak4000 23 дня назад

@@valentin6824Ich liebe IC 2

@xBris 24 дня назад

The IC2 is a RE with white paint. Not more, not less. People complain, because of this re-branding. If they just call it "RE", nobody would complain. But by branding it as "IC" they make more money... Same with some former IC routes which are now converted to ICE without actually improving travel times. It's all about making more and more money and therefore it's fair to complain.

@alphafoxy8503 24 дня назад

Wrong it does not stop at most of the Stations an RE would. The IC is faster and has less stops

@xBris 24 дня назад

@alphafoxy8503 Sure, the RE stops more, but it barely makes a difference. Between Nürnberg and Stuttgart, for instance, the time difference between IC and RE is about 10 minutes. On a journey of more than 2 hours, it doesn't justify triple the cost.

@freibert 24 дня назад

Leave the country before its too late! //

@alphafoxy8503 24 дня назад

@@freibert Bro I am born in germany

@ericofantastico 24 дня назад

@@xBrisusing the RE on this route is extremely unrealiable. It is very often cancelled or has a low capacity. Also it runs only every 2 hour.

@namenamename390 24 дня назад

I think most of the dislike for these trains comes not necessarily from what they are, but from what they are marketed as. As medium distance trains, they seem perfectly pleasant, but they carry the once prestigeous InterCity name. An IC without a restaurant car and somewhat tight double deck interior just doesn't feel right, even if it's totally fine on medium distance journeys. They weirdly fit right into the former product category of InterRegio that was discontinued in the 2000s, medium to long distance trains that also serve smaller places which otherwise wouldn't get intercity services. In fact, some IC2 routes are basically reintroductions of old IR lines. I wonder what the public perception of these trains would be if they were marketed as "the new InterRegio". There's one quirk of the trains I wanna mention: They are loco hauled, as shown in the video, but they act as fixed units. That means that you can't separate any car, including the locomotive, from the set outside of a maintainance facility. IIRC that allows the doors to be centrally monitored from the cab, which wouldn't otherwise be possible, but the disadvantage is that if the locomotive breaks, you can't replace it easily and a rescue loco will have to haul the broken one with it as dead weight, or more likely, the train just gets cancelled outright.

@theodorthegreathe 24 дня назад

They are lacking a plethora of comfort markers of the old intercity rolling stock, including variation in seating options, ride comfort, velocity and such stupid things as "how one broken toilet affects the train"...

@namenamename390 24 дня назад

@@theodorthegreathe They are definitely incomparable to the old IC rolling stock, but I don't think it's useful to compare them. The old IC trains are being replaced by ICEs, especially with the ICE L coming in 2025. Those can actually compete with the comfort of the old ICs. The IC2s are (mostly) used on routes where the lower comfort, the lack of a proper buffet car and lower top speed don't matter as much, so they aren't really a replacement for the old IC. That's why I think it's not worth comparing IC and IC2 and why the IC2 lable might not be the best choice.

@pfsantos007 23 дня назад

Completely agree with you on the error in marketing it as an IC.

@jonathanirons231 23 дня назад

You just triggerd my memories of those awful InterRegio trains. Gees they were awful. Like sitting on a plastic seat.

@gargoyle7863 23 дня назад

Yes. The IC was once the descendant of the 'Grand trains' like the Rheingold.

@JamesTrifolium 24 дня назад

You know it's gonna be good when the locomotive looks like it's wearing a container.

@djytonly5653 24 дня назад

I never got how that could aerodynamically make any sense. But Bombardier has to know..

@legitscoper3259 24 дня назад

Wanna experiance more container? look up BR 155

@KDR_FLT 24 дня назад

@@djytonly5653 wasn't ment to be used like this. Bombardier had made this design choice so operators could easily use branding als the sides of the Traxx AC3 locomotive is one big 'flex' panel where in only a few hours a flexible panel could be installed :-) Unfortunately only a handful of locomotives received such a panel hence why this feature was removed from the Track MS3/DC3

@moover123 19 дней назад

What does "wearing a container" mean?

@JanMichalSzulew 16 дней назад

@@moover123 "looks like a container"

@antonnurwald5700 24 дня назад

Hey, I LOVE these!!! For one specific reason: i have two young kids, and the family area in most long distance trains is a disaster: close to the restaurant in the middle of the train, always full, lots of people coming through all the time, it's never relaxed unless you get a spot in the tiny, cramped small kids compartment (which is, well, cramped and tiny). Now on these trains, there is a whole family deck, upstairs, on the end of the train. It's super quiet and relaxed. Nobody bothers you. The kids can roam freely. The ride is super smooth. The view is excellent. Yeah, there is no restaurant, but i don't get to enjoy it anyway. The sandwiches are surprisingly nice, and as long as i get coffee i'm fine. Edit: And i rode this exact line last summer! It was excellent! Edit 2: The wide doors and entry areas are also a major plus for everyone who squeezes in with lots of luggage, kids and, god forbid, a stroller.

@LackoPataj 23 дня назад

Good to hear these pros!

@Chris_Taru 23 дня назад

Thanks for your perspective! Trains need to work for a wide variety of people with different needs!

@ktipuss 20 дней назад

A family section in the last car is a good idea. Is this unique to German trains? Never see it mentioned on British trains for example. Two toilets per car is also great. I am surprised that a restaurant car (or a buffet section) is expected on a trip of only two hours 10 minutes; where I live nobody expects a buffet car on an intercity trip of 2 hours 30 minutes, nor do they care that there isn't one. Mind you, "where I live" is an Australian state (NSW) into which Germany can fit two and a half times (and even has two time zones, it's that big).

@antonnurwald5700 20 дней назад

@@ktipuss since i have kids all my long distance travels have been on ICE trains, and they all have the family zone close to the Bistro car in the middle of the train, which is good, but also problematic because everybody going to grab a snack will walk through there. The expectation, i think, results from DB categorizing - and pricing - these trains as Inter City trains. Normally ICs serve much longer routes (yet slower than an ICE) where you would expect more service. When i was a student, they still had an intermediate category called Inter Regio and Inter Regio Express, which also covered longer distances, but had more stops and served smaller stations. No idea if these are still around. Having said that, i think the reason why they called this an Inter City route is that this is a very wealthy part of Germany and they can charge more this way.

@PauxloE 20 дней назад

@@ktipuss This example trip is not the full length of this line, as I understand. And there are some other lines where these trains are used. (But I also never use the on-board gastronomic services, they are just overpriced.)

@forestcat512 24 дня назад

"well maintained german track system" you gotta be joking

@legitscoper3259 24 дня назад

*in comparison to other countries

@to_loww 24 дня назад

As an Austrian I had to laugh hard. Until I remembered that people have died as a result of poor track maintenance by DB (Burgrain 2022).

@legitscoper3259 24 дня назад

@@to_loww Yes. But that's all to blame to politics... Traindriver speaking.

@haltendehand1 24 дня назад

It's mostly extremely well maintained - track quality in Germany in terms of geometry, smoothness etc is leagues ahead of France, Italy, or Britain

@afjo972 19 дней назад

@@to_lowwBAHAHAHA you’re Austrian, you’re like desperately looking for a flaw and then plunging on it like a hyena 😂 so bitter

@fettpiek 22 дня назад

You mentioned the pretty well top speed of 160km/h. The sad part is that this is the top speed of most double decker RE trains and many other RE trains. The old IC's have a top speed of 200km/h.

@JoJoModding 20 дней назад

Yes. On a technical level, "high-speed" trains in Germany are those above 160kmh. That's when you need all new train controls and safety measures and more strict track geometries. So from that perspective these trains are not even high-speed ones.

@Ometecuhtli 18 дней назад

In Mexico the Abuela Killer a.k.a. Tren Maya is high speed at 160 km/h but in reality anything above 100 km/h is "ludicrous speed" considering the infrastruscture we have.

@losttownstreet3409 13 дней назад

Most of the railway network is downgraded to 160km/h anyway ... it happens with the time as the tolerances are tight for 200km/h (the upper limit of 200km/h is most often the lower limit for 160km/h and on the lower limit you don't need to do a risk assessment ... if you are constantly on the upper limit on all tolerances it's not feasible to maintain the tracks as you are in constant repairing the tracks). There was a 340km/h track and it's now down to 260km/h as it was not possible to maintain it in the long term (they cut the stop at audi-city as nearly nobody ever exit or enter the trains there).

@Skullair313 10 дней назад

Even more sad if you consider, that the twindexx double deckers are available with a top speed of 200 km/h (used in Belgium)

@derneureuter94 24 дня назад

Even though the Twindexx IC2 does not match the quality of the old IC 1, I think the train is somehow ok. The issue that I have with this train that it just does not make sense on the routes I travel (Karlsruhe - Stuttgart). On the same route a regional train (Stadler Flirt 3) is operated which can be used with the 49€ ticket without any extra charge and which is sometimes even scheduled faster than the IC 2. Same goes for Nürnberg-Stuttgart

@wernerderchamp 24 дня назад

Yeah, this line does not have any high speed rail (at least until Bamberg-Fürth is finished), so from Nürnberg to Stuttgart its only 15-20 minutes faster due to lack of stops. It makes sense if you would have to change (e.g. if you go Karlsruhe-Nürnberg or Ansbach-Bamberg) or if you don't have a 49€ ticket on a longer trip

@dp0456 23 дня назад

@@wernerderchamp since there is the RE90 from Stuttgart to Nürnberg, which u can use with a valid DTicket, this is even more hilarious

@hellenicgyp5966 23 дня назад

Wasnt there an IC2 going Stuttgart-Konstanz too? What happened to it? If I remember correctly you could use the dticket on it

@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381 18 дней назад

I also used it rarely yet, only in March last year I went from Braunschweig to Leipzig with the IC and it was fine (took around 2 hours), however, I went to Leipzig again in October and because of the D-Ticket took the RB40 to Magdeburg (takes around 70 minutes) and then the RE13 to Leipzig (around 1:40) with around 45 minutes changing time (you can comfortably buy some groceries in the Kaufland in the nearby City Caree or have a breakfast/lunch etc.) but all together it almost takes a whopping four hours... Berlin is even faster with the ICE it takes only 1:30 while you need almost four with the regional RE40 to Magdeburg and then the RE1 (operated by ODEG and they use Siemens Desiro HC trains, these are an interesting combination of single- and double-decker), also with around 45 minutes waiting time in between.

@raileon 24 дня назад

The thing is, the old Intercity was *the* premium product of DB back when it was introduced. The legendary TEE trains were included in the IC scheme. So IC's were the fastest and most comfortable way to travel on German rails. When the ICE was introduced, this changed and the classic IC had to find a new role. But for years, the difference was mostly just the speed (IC up to 200km/h, ICE depending on the specific train 230-320km/h) and the age of the trains and sort of playing into that their comfort (partly still manual doors on IC, louder background noises, only partially fitted with AC etc.). But the rest was mostly the same. And I think the IC 2 is a continuation of the differentiation process that DB is trying to achieve here. They're trying to downgrade it to make it distinct from ICE trains and to be able to offer long distance services (which in Germany are not subsidised at all, they have to make a profit!) to smaller towns and cities which otherwise may not get it. That's the reason why DB introduced the extended IC line from Nürnberg to Leipzig via Bamberg, Saalfeld and Jena. While that line used to have ICE connections to Berlin and Munich every two hours, as soon as the high speed line opened, they all disappeared and moved to the HSL. All that was left was a single IC per day. Now they turned it up to five per day. That's what the new IC brand is meant for. Long distance services for smaller lines away from high speed corridors at reasonable prices. But with a clear distinction in comfort from DB's premium offer. So yea, you can complain all you like, but I believe it was intentional. Maybe not in this specific way which is essentially just a white painted regional train fitted with carpet (Teppich-RE) but a clear downgrade to its ICE's. That's at least my opinion.

@loretosilva7687 23 дня назад

Uuuf, too long🫣

@PauxloE 20 дней назад

But why would people travelling to these smaller cities want less comfort? I mean, less comfort for cheaper trains is okay, but as I understand there won't usually be a competition between ICE and these ICs on the same route.

@Ometecuhtli 18 дней назад

ICE 1st class was above anything else for any European traveler, probably even better than Shinkansen's. In that respect I don't see IC 2 as a similar case of differentiation, it isn't worth the moniker imho, if anything it is as close to being RE 2 but it would get confusing as it doesn't make regional stops, so the way I see it it's neither one of them, it's another type of train for which they chose a more appealing name.

@alexanderkupke920 17 дней назад

Looking at the trains, they are now using RE trains known for decades with a slightly different interior but less stops and longer routes

@scrambaba 16 дней назад

You describe it well, almost like you work for DB. But it is still a reduction in quality and amenity for passengers and a crass attempt to improve profitability for DB. Less comfort, less space, less room for luggage, less food and drink options and what there is is truck stop quality. This is absolutely a loss for passengers…

@unitedstatesoffugu 9 дней назад

'The new German double-decker train that everybody HATES!' describes a video about a clean, smooth and silent riding train, while 'This is the INCREDIBLE new Dutch high-speed train!' explains to us, that the brand new dutch IC train that is annoyingly noisy and evermore so dirty. (from 11:50 in the latter video) I see someone got indulged in the German art of complaining about everything :D

@holger_p 8 дней назад

If you use these car as your daily commuter train, or even for, ' metro', you just get disappointed to put this design originated from 1965 in the category of high speed trains. It's not about the car itself, it's about calling it Intercity. People are mixing this with the Intercity express. In Holland you have no train running 8 hours in one direction. If you confirm it's designed for a 2 hour ride, you are exactly right. For 8 hours you need more comfort.

@unitedstatesoffugu 8 дней назад

@@holger_p If people are confused and mistake an IC to an ICE, that's their fault. Also, 8hrs on any long distance train is not necessarily desirable. Doable, but not my wildest dream. So, to see what this 8hrs-argument is all about, I checked the fares from Cologne to Dresden for a random date in August. With some 7.5hrs, this is close enough to 8hrs. It's actually more expensive than the faster ICE. Looks like DB defines this service to establish better connections *along* this route, not from start-to-finish. Same logic applies to Leipzig-Karlsruhe/7hrs. ICE is faster and cheaper. And as far as I know there are 3 types of IC2 in operation. The two newer models are capable of speeds of 200km/h. Just like the original IC1.

@FLTech 24 дня назад

No restaurant being on the train is the biggest disappointment for me.

@mamertens99 24 дня назад

For me this is the only big downside. I really like the double decker and the seats are okay. It's really annoying that it doesn't have it, regional makes sense but it's a IC

@mneonew87 24 дня назад

Only ICEs have a restaurant/bistro nowadays.

@MrJimheeren 24 дня назад

It’s only a 2 hours ride so it’s not to bad on this route. Sadly DB has been fading out the restaurant car on all non high speed long distances routes. So now the Amsterdam-Berlin connection (more then 6 hours) is also without its iconic restaurant, one of my favorite trains in the world

@XTREAMER3850 24 дня назад

On THIS train. In Germany, a missing restaurant car is something rare on IC services. In Romania... It's pretty usual.

@mneonew87 24 дня назад

@@XTREAMER3850 there are no IC services in Germany that have a restaurant car

@aaron_xdd705 24 дня назад

Go-Ahead is now owned by ÖBB which makes it an Austrian operator.

@psej1123 24 дня назад

🤓☝

@MrJimheeren 24 дня назад

They also operate in England (Thameslink, Great Northern, Gatwick express) so the confusion makes sense. But yeah the owner is the Austrian State

@to_loww 24 дня назад

@@MrJimheeren They're going to rebrand soon.

@BJHolloway1 24 дня назад

Better to say Austrian-Spanish operator 51-49%

@to_loww 24 дня назад

@@BJHolloway1 Australian (not Austrian)-Spanish! And they sold off their German subsidiary to the Austrian (not Australian) Federal Railways.

@arnonuehm1 24 дня назад

Your German pronunciation is really impressive! Certainly more impressive than these trains. ;) I'd like to see a comparison video with the other IC trains btw (the Stadler ones).

@makssachs8914 23 дня назад

IC2 bombardier vs stadler ic2 vs ic1

23 дня назад

And perhaps also an RE comparison on those routes, where the IC2 Twindexx is almost completely useless since services either similarly fast or equal exist, like between Koblenz and Frankfurt, where there are RE Twindexxes going between or Wuppertal and Cologne, where the same rails are used.

@hape3862 24 дня назад

6:24 Johann Sebastian Bach never visited Ansbach, let alone lived there.

@th60of 24 дня назад

Maybe they confused it with Arnstadt? Bit of a stretch, though.

@victorgelling9952 24 дня назад

@@th60of There's a Festival dedicated to Bach in Ansbach, maybe this was some kind of translation error from german to english (also small towns in germany usually are in desperate search of some uniqueness :) )

@hape3862 24 дня назад

@@th60of There is a big Bach festival in Ansbach every year. Perhaps he has seen some posters.

@mickimicki 13 дней назад

The name Ansbach does however "contain" Bach's surname 😂

@gaswirt 6 дней назад

Its water.

@derriegel5705 24 дня назад

For me, there is one big advantage to these trains: Their price! Yes, they are not nearly as comfortable as a modern ICE, but in my experience, tickets are significantly cheaper. In an ideal world, most long distance routes would be served by both. A fast and very comfortable ICE network and an IC-service that is slower, connects smaller towns and is cheaper. Also, the cheaper operating costs enables DB to connect cities where other trains would simply not be economical. Sadly, that is not how Deutsche Bahn has branded this train...

@FriendlyNamelessGuy 23 дня назад

And if they're 20 minutes late, you can take an ICE anyway, and might even reach your destination earlier than scheduled.

@Wolf-wc8kl 21 день назад

In my experience the doppeldecker runs way better than the old ones

@boatMatthias 20 дней назад

If these train stops at most smaller cities, what does set them apart from RE trains? If most people are unhappy that this is just an upbranded RE with a higher price tag, you are happy because it's not as expensive as an ICE? That's a good view to be happy in life ;)

@FriendlyNamelessGuy 20 дней назад

@@boatMatthias The routes are longer than the typical RE routes, e.g. you can go from Dortmund to Frankfurt or from Cologne to Stuttgart on them. Also, most REs still stop more often than the IC 2 routes, the ICs just tend to stop more often than ICEs.

@derriegel5705 20 дней назад

@@boatMatthias Yes, they do stop at smaller cities, but there are two things that set them apart from REs. First, REs don't only stop at smaller cities, but also at a lot of villages and multiple times per city. So the IC stops less frequently. 2nd, the ICs generally don't travel on the same routes as REs, but serve much longer lines (like Dresden - Cologne or Leipzig - Karlsruhe). To go the same route by RE, you would have to switch trains probably 4 times

@RAILEXCELLENCE2011 24 дня назад

12:06 I really want to see you make a video on this train.😊

@NoBSTravelChannel 17 дней назад

I recently went on the double decker from Munich to Stuttgart. As a British person I was absolutely blown away by it. If we had that back home we'd be closer to having a decent railway network, but saying that..ours would probably break down every 5 minutes and be delayed by a year.

@Juergen_Mueller 15 дней назад

Remember: Germans always complain, regardless of how good or bad something is. I'm quite sure about that because I'm a German myself.

@kantharos 10 дней назад

The UK introduced a too small clearance gauge for trains more than 100 years ago, therefore there is not enough space above British tracks for doubledecker rail vehicles.

@Juergen_Mueller 10 дней назад

Germans always complain, especially concerning Deutsche Bahn. Even if you give them the best trains in the world for free, they will still be considered to be bad and expensive.

@NoBSTravelChannel 10 дней назад

@@kantharos That's a common misconception, whilst you aren't entirely incorrect though, there are quite a few lines where the clearance is higher. I remember seeing a study conducted years back and roughly 20% of the network could use modern double decker trains, and the rest could accommodate a special design. It would mean crouching to get to your seats though but it's definitely doable on high capacity lines for the average commuter. Comfy? Probably not, but doable.

@HB-bl5mn 9 дней назад

@@NoBSTravelChannel The good old make, do and mend attitude. That's why everything in the UK is less than mediocre, whike fooling yourself it is the envy of the world or world beating.

@Trainspotting_Trips 24 дня назад

I love the style and the narration of your videos! I really enjoyed this one! Keep up your work! ☺️❤️ Greetings from Switzerland!

@educate9946 24 дня назад

I take this train from Nürnberg to Karlsruhe and back about once or twice a month. Yeah it's not super comfortable but it's fine and clean. Main problem is that the trains are more faulty than Windows ME! One in four journeys or more is interrupted by faulty fire alarms, broken doors, "software problems" and more. It's so frustrating.

@dennisbeier4011 20 дней назад

I think it is running on windows ME.

@grizeldiSLO 19 дней назад

As someone else said, some locos unironically run on Windows ME

@Ometecuhtli 18 дней назад

Windows ME? Heathens! What's wrong with MS-DOS?

@dennisbeier4011 18 дней назад

@@grizeldiSLO Was the hard drive for unix too expensive?

@grizeldiSLO 18 дней назад

@@dennisbeier4011 No idea, I just listened to one of our local locomotive drivers ramble about having to wait for Windows to boot every time 😅

@arokh72 23 дня назад

Germans: Hate the train. Australians: I wish we had such a luxurious service for such short intercity hops.

@happyversum8980 10 дней назад

I am german and I like the IC2 ;)

@Tengri30 8 дней назад

That's german national sports for ya: Complaining about ANYTHING. Even about good stuff.

@r0fLc0pt3rf0rtHewiN День назад

east coast of australia has a really good train line but it's pretty limited in scope

@StSdijle 24 дня назад

honestly, your closing comment is well on point. IC1 is replaced mostly by ICE 4 or ICE L trains; only secondary routes are served by IC 2. As someone travelling between major cities on a daily basis, it's rare that I spend more than an hour or two in one of those and then they are just fine. Germany's national sport is complaining, just keep that in mind ;)

@kyro38 23 дня назад

IC2 is the new Interregio

@crowmob-yo6ry 23 дня назад

I still can't believe the delay was only 9 minutes.

@lp-trainfan 10 дней назад

as a german i was searching for this comment xD

@tobiassternberg8313 23 дня назад

Tangential note, but the remark at 6:29 is incorrect - Bach never lived in (or, as far as it seems to be known, even visited) Ansbach. Perhaps there is some confusion with Arnstadt here?

@bahnfahrenaufschlau 24 дня назад

As someone who was reliant on thesse trains for many years, I am really glad that now the Stadler IC2 are operating on most services I use. They are much more reliable and comfortable and provide a smoother train ride. Btw., I'm kinda surprised you didn't feel like traveling on a ship as you chose to sit on the upper level. In my experience they tend to shake a lot sometimes.

@Brauiz90 24 дня назад

The Stadler ones are bought used from Westbahn and they're way better

@MartinBrenner 24 дня назад

I love these!

23 дня назад

The KISS ones are better than the Twindexx ones, which basically are just REs with marginally better seats. The KISS in general is better than both the Twindexx and Desiro HC, even in it's RE variant used on the RE80 in Schleswig-Holstein.

@HolgerNestmann 23 дня назад

The Desiro HC is not bad though - at least for now they are pretty new

@valentin7574 24 дня назад

What a surprise! In Switzerland we also have the Bombardier Twindexx and they also suck

@kyro38 23 дня назад

Big time ! I don't like them on the IC1 :(

@MattiBlume 23 дня назад

They don't suck on regional routes. The Schleswig-Holstein Express is one of the best regional services in the whole country. And it's run with Twindexx units too. But it's just not up to DB Fernverkehr's standards.

@gentuxable 23 дня назад

But aren't they quite different? Given the DB Twindexx uses a locomotive it has a completely different engine layout, was meant to have some tilting while the DB Twindexx are just a bunch of carriages like the IC2000 in Switzerland.

@zuzar446 24 дня назад

Great Video, glad to see you travelling through my hometown 😊 I would love to see a video on the IC2 Stadler units!

@Trissi2go 24 дня назад

On the Stuttgart - Singen Route you can Travel on the IC2 for free (if you have the deutschland ticket)

@mrpadi64 24 дня назад

I wanted to say the same. A much better option then traveling on the bwegt trains, and you can buy at least some coffee on the way. I love them as a free RE Upgrade.

@ahema 12 дней назад

The same is between Bremen an Norddeich Mole, IC2 can be used with D-Ticket. P.S. Nürnberg is in the Frankonia part of Bavaria. A very important point for the Frankonian People

@gulaschkarauski1384 24 дня назад

I sat in one from Cottbus Hbf to Hannover Hbf for over 6 hours in 2 klasse and it broke my back, I could not believe that a Regional train (Br 463) had better seats that an IC 2.

@avmz111 24 дня назад

Six hours? Was there a detour?

@gulaschkarauski1384 24 дня назад

@@avmz111 no just Signal and track issues that added 30 minutes

@cooltwittertag 23 дня назад

@@gulaschkarauski1384but why would you ever choose to take that route? I didnt even know it existed but i know the RE to Berlin takes 1 hr and the ICE from Berlin to Hannover takes 2 hours, why would you book a 5.5 hr train instead?

@gulaschkarauski1384 23 дня назад

@@cooltwittertag it was convenient and ut was way cheaper than the ice as it was a rather sudden jorney

@captainminecraft631 24 дня назад

The vibe Germany gives off in every way, from railways to the countryside, ist sehr schön!

@jon33040 24 дня назад

As others have said, this is an RE painted white. It's not an IC. It's not an adequate replacement for the classic ICs which are almost gone.

@lolsoos4205 5 дней назад

As a German it’s crazy hearing well maintained rails because that’s far from the truth DB is massively underfunded

@ezkymos 23 дня назад

I did the same journey on the same train and it was very confortable. Nothing to complain about.

@chickenpommes19 24 дня назад

The IC2 is such a rebranded regional service, that there's routes (e.g. IC34 Dortmund - Siegen), where you can ride it with your Deutschlandticket or regional subscription and not lose or gain any comfort or speed.

23 дня назад

Isn't the IC34 only allowed to be used with normal tickets (or something equal), but not the DeutschlandTicket? Otherwise, it is the same and the Twindexx in the video wasn't even allowed to go faster than 160km/h.

@chickenpommes19 23 дня назад

Deutschlandtickets are accepted between Dortmund and Dillenburg.

@HolgerNestmann 23 дня назад

On the Düsseldorf to Gera Intercity you get the old carriages and can use your regional tickets from erfurt to gera. The ticketing options are not so much about the rolling stock, but if the train replaces regional services

@cehaem2 20 дней назад

Switzerland has been using DoStos for two decades and no one has ever complained...

@chickenpommes19 20 дней назад

@@cehaem2 Switzerland is also tiny, the longest IC in Switzerland (St.Gallen-Geneva) is 363km, you can take Regionalexpress RE1 in Northrhine-Westphalia, which is 296km long, and barely cross half of the state.

@viktoruzunov690 24 дня назад

The older cars were delivered to Bulgaria and now i cant wait to see them in move!

@CanoYTPMV 2 дня назад

I find the thumbnail really hilarious! Greetings from Germanya. 😂❤

@JohnnyHooverTravels 23 дня назад

I really well made/edited video. Nice one Albs 👍

@JackGillies 24 дня назад

I think the new IC units are actually ok for shorter journeys. I commute around Germany a lot and caught an IC from Leipzig Hbf to Jena and I found the journey very pleasant and the on train facilities adequate for just over an hour having said that I wouldn't want to stay on one all the way down to say Karlsruhe or Stuttgart

@ilfanto 19 дней назад

I absolutely agree. On journeys of up to two hours they are in order. They are just very noisy if you are sitting in the ends of the carriages due to the very poor insulating properties of the doors (designed for anything else). The problem is when you have to make journeys of more than three hours: they really are a nightmare in second class. I had to make a 6-hour journey, to which there was no alternative with higher-class trains. The problem is not that they only replaced the ex-IRs (gone for so many years), but the IC1s on the lines where they used to be. The fact that they have a fixed five-element composition makes the design quite meaningless. An inadequate train for the purpose, paid for dearly and caused an endless stream of problems. Polemical mode: it is no coincidence that the management that planned the purchase of the Twindexx (I don't know how many compositions are still with the manufacturer because they have been contested) and the ICE 4 (one of the least reliable high-speed train in Europe in terms of failures/km)* has been sent home. *I usually document these statements, but I cannot find the source on the fly.

@ifly2themoon171 6 дней назад

@@ilfanto Thank you for pointing that out, ICE 4 is so bad I started using a connection with a change of trains and the risks involved to be on the ICE 3 arriving my destination relaxed and in a good mood rather than having a non-stop connection but needing a break and being done for the day with "being shipped" by lousy ICE 4 the whole five and a half hours.

@fabian1139 23 дня назад

Really like your videos and your German pronounciation is fantastic 👏

@derdreadi233 11 дней назад

Awesome video! thanks for sharing with us. Love your accent :)

@RAILEXCELLENCE2011 24 дня назад

The IC2 train looks very beautiful in my opinion 😊

@Busfreak4000 23 дня назад

I love IC 2

@lp-trainfan 10 дней назад

its a repainted Regional Express train nothing special

@Konenth 23 дня назад

If you get the chance, i highly recommend testing the new NMBS/SNCB M7 coaches. I take them every week and while their comfort isnt the best, they are still lovely to ride on

@naftyloescher 19 дней назад

Got your video recommended really randomly on my front page. 11:30 yay my home town^^ Good impression mate, keep it going =)

@SuperalbsTravels 18 дней назад

Thank you so much! 😍

@Geoph507 23 дня назад

Thank u My dear Albie.... For taking me to Germany.... enjoyed the video a lot....

@SuperalbsTravels 23 дня назад

Glad you enjoyed it 😁

@ringo7561 24 дня назад

Great video, at least they sell beer 🍺I've got no problem with the limited food, as long as they have beer. Its only a couple hours anyway from Nuremberg to Stuttgart.

@JackGourdon-je4ze 23 дня назад

nice video Superabls! a suggestion is to ride on LNER class 91 or GWR class 43

@mbb_max 23 дня назад

Fun Fact at the price example you are showing at 5:55, you can use the IC Train from Norddeich Mole to Bremen Hbf also with the cheaper regional train ticket because here, the train is a replacement for a regional train due to the reason, that the RE 1 only drives every two hours.

@derradfahrer5029 21 день назад

Fun Fact, you can even ride an ICE for the same reasons and with the same condition as the regional train ticket (including the Deutschlandticket) between Rostock and Stralsund.

@lukasegeling5205 24 дня назад

I used one of these recently. In my opinion, it's just okay. Nothing really stood out to me, but it did the job... after a 15 minute delay caused by a faulty door.

@TuxLetsPlay 12 дней назад

I think the screenshot you showed at 5:55 perfectly shows the issue. It's a very similar looking train with a very similar level of comfort, but the price is more than double, almost triple. And it only saves you 20 minutes of the train ride, in that case it's 8% faster.

@Bchan 22 дня назад

Nice video as usual! Maybe an idea for the next one, in Belgium there's still some of the (at this point ancient) EMU's in service (AM66), they'll probably all be gone by the end of the year. Might be worth giving them a look before they're gone forever?

@riesbahner 2 дня назад

Nice video. Greetings from a train dispatcher trainee between Crailsheim and Aalen

@SuperalbsTravels 2 дня назад

Awesome! Thanks for watching. :)

@megatwingo 16 дней назад

Interesting report. Thumbs up! :)

@merlin4180 20 дней назад

Nuremberg‘s station is stunning! I was just there a couple weeks ago.

@JediTev 24 дня назад

I used to travel quite frequently between Nürnberg and Stuttgart and i wish i had these trains! Those old trains you saw? Thats what i rode, lol.😊

@ludwigstoer3040 14 дней назад

Im from Nuremberg, and i've used this connection with the IC2 a couple of times, because its the fastest connection to the south-west of Germany and of course France which i liked to visit often. I have to say that i dont really get the hate on the train. For example, I travelled last Thursday back from Switzerland, where i had visited a friend of mine. From Basel to Karlsruhe i used the regional train which is thanks to the Deutschland-Ticket, very cheap to me. From Karlsruhe to Nuremberg i booked the IC2 and i booked the ticket for 2nd Class for just 20€ which is very cheap if we consider that i booked the ticket just 2 days before i used it and that by travelling for a wide distance with this train. By car it would have cost me a lot more. Also i think that the IC2 is very modern, cozy and overall very clean. It has the comfort of an ICE but the price of an regional train. I have to say that i do not use services like food or drinks and so on. I just use the train for travelling. I mean i do understand the hate, More than 2 hours to Stuttgart from Nuremberg is a joke, if we look at the Nuremberg-Munich-Connection which takes just an hour with the ICE but having nearly the same distance by air. I would really appreciate an ICE conncection from Nuremberg to Stuttgart and im often wondering why there isnt one, but as long as it does not exist, im happy that the IC line exists. For everybody who will use the IC2 in future, i wouldnt recommend buying a first class ticket, because for me - i traveled a single time in first class in IC2- the only advantage of the first class in IC2 is that there are single seats, for people who dont like others besides them.

@samheldmann 24 дня назад

Octoberfest is in Munich. In Nuremberg we have Volksfest

@krone5 19 дней назад

good job, I had a similar comment

@MatthieuDeW 24 дня назад

I'm a frequent visitor in BaWü and seeing the BWegt trains always makes me smile. In terms of livery only SBB can compete with this color scheme.

@HelloOnepiece 24 дня назад

It is useful on the Hannover-Berlin route though, because with regional lines one has to take a long detour towards Magdeburg or Stendal, nearly doubling the travel time. (and the ICE is only 10 minutes faster)

@heinwlod3895 22 дня назад

I traveled with an IC train like this last month and my journey was good. Good view and an empty, quiet train. Good Wifi and some mobile games provided by DB that I could play with my roommate, who was traveling with me. There was a DB guy who sold coffee, too. All in all, a pretty relaxed journey.

@heinwlod3895 22 дня назад

Oh, and I paid just 23€ for the Bremen -Cologne route

@arndliebenberg1924 11 дней назад

I visit Germany every two years or so, and judt had a trip in this double decker IC. I didn't expect it to be anything more than an RE in different livery. I had a 4+hr comfortable trip to Frankfurt Flughafen. No complaints.

@dncnlltt 20 дней назад

In the US, we can only dream about this level of comfort and service on a train.

@AirisuAsakura 16 дней назад

We have an exact same train from the nmbs in belgium! i hate the way they look but are great for busy routes like brugges / brussels / gent

@RedShadow67 23 дня назад

The attraction at Nuremberg Central Station is that an Ogre from Altschauerberg sits on the "Zarendtein" in and Streams

@flugelrad 23 дня назад

What the hell? What's going you on mit you face?

@metaph3r 11 дней назад

I for one like them (so not everybody hates them!). The only issue I had in the initial iteration was the missing storage for big luggage in the upper compartment. But I think that was somewhat fixed.

@gerardmeyer2118 16 дней назад

This is a Bombardier train. The Swiss have their own version of this Twindexx Vario train. They had lots of problems with it. Now they prefer the Swiss train builder Stadler.

@memespert 24 дня назад

One of the first! Time to check out this new deutsch adventure!

@colinlambert882 23 дня назад

The open tourer passed at around 7:30 is right hand drive and looks very much like a 1938 Morris 8 series II 4 seat tourer!

@legitscoper3259 24 дня назад

When was this Footage taken? In the Background of one shot there is an BR 143 (Or 112 / 114) wich are officially no longer meant to be in service in Nürnberg since years.

@Wannes_ 19 дней назад

They're all still wearing the plandemic masks ...

@marijnstreinenpagina9111 24 дня назад

the ic connection from nordeich to hannover is driving as a re conection untill bremen hbf

@lundimardi1975 17 дней назад

Thanks. I enjoyed. My understanding from something i read a few years back was that DB basically wanted thr default choice to be ICE, hence the IC offering was being downgraded.

@falsemcnuggethope 15 дней назад

You don't realize how much pain that adjustable headrest could avoid. I wish it was mandatory for all seats used in transportation.

@PauxloE 20 дней назад

The main problem with the double-decker regional trains is that there is not much space for luggage due to limited room overhead - basically just to put your hat and umbrella and then forget it there. On long distances, this is needed by an even larger proportion of the passengers. I see they sacrificed some seats for additional luggage areas (11:04) - I wonder if it works that well in the second class too?

@GamerLudwig 16 дней назад

i'm glad you mentioned the "overhead luggage racks" of the double decker trains. They are not. I use the RE trains for my weekend commute, and i usually can't even squeeze a full backpack in them, let alone my actual luggage. And unlike the luggage bays of the IC trains, on the REs you'll be lucky to squeeze something under your seat. Upstairs is basically off limits with luggage. At least some of the older double decker models have a slightly higher luggage rack on the intermediate floors connecting the train cars, but still only once in a new moon. (i used have, since we have so little rolling stock that it's actually rare to not ride in an old model of train 🙃) This is made even worse by the fact, that RE trains seem to be THE mode of transport for weekend commuting where i am. You almost always encounter more luggage than there is space for it

@EnjoyFirefighting 23 дня назад

You should definetly take a ride on the alex international regional express train from Munich Central Station to Prague Central Station

@Joplo535 24 дня назад

Are you planning to make/ making a video of the new interior of the Ice 3 neo?

@michaelz.7140 24 дня назад

1st class RE is normally just reversed maquette- when it is normally light blue with dark blue squares, the maquette in the 1st class is dark blue with light blue squares. maybe 3-4 cm more broadness and more legroom

@onlywolf9981 24 дня назад

Very beautiful train

@pelle9114 23 дня назад

6:50 And the second world`s largest beer festival is in Stuttgart. The "Cannstatter Wasen".

@janheinrichreimer 19 дней назад

As a person who regularly commutes with these double-deckers since over 5 years, I must defend them. In my experience, they are much more reliable than the same routes with ICE while being substantially cheaper. I don't really mind the less "fancy" interior. The coaches really have everything one needs, the seats are comfortable, and the folding table is much more convenient with a laptop than most ICE tables. In my experience, the double-decker ICs are also less crowded than either ICE or RE, making them my favorite choice for medium distances. Further, I would say, I find the lower deck nicer, as it shakes less and one still gets to see all the countryside, but that's just personal preference. To me, the ICE is nearly perfect!

@MrChrodo 20 дней назад

One huge benefit: Some routes are painful with just regional trains especially at rush hour and on weekends. I am so happy, that i can book some of these IC2 for as low as 10€ and have a relatively decent train ride while not having to worry much about broken toilets and not finding any place to sit in. Some regional trains often don't have working toilets or decent storage room for luggage. Others only have USB ports for charging exposed, but no wall sockets. I don't think that the seats are uncomfortable, but they are not special. Then again, i would rate them as similar to the ones used in the ICE4 overall. My biggest problem with them, is that not being able to drive faster than 160 km/h limits it's usefulness. The IC2 KISS can at least get up to 200 km/h, IC1 with the typical BR 101, too. If that would've been accomplished from the beginning, we would look at them differently. But now with more Desiro HCs coming, ones that can even hit 185 km/h, we are looking into a brighter future for regional trains than for medium-distant-range ones.

@johnmehaffey9953 23 дня назад

World’s largest beer festival, that’s everywhere I go for a beer 😊

@AnoNymInvestor 13 дней назад

The seats in the old IC were so comfortable! More legroom and space for luggage.

@SuperalbsTravels 12 дней назад

Yup, I loved the old IC... ❤️

@vincentstuer 24 дня назад

I had one of these on an interrail when our ice was delayed and we missed our other ice, i found these to be bad for an ic train, i wont be crying when these are retired

@losttownstreet3409 12 дней назад

These are perfect for regional trains ... wheelchair friendly, bikes ... these double trains are a good solution to some high demand lines. There are some interior test trains from Mühldorf to Munich ... where you even have a 1st. class solo cabin. We simply don't want to pay extra for a service we know from regional service for 40 years ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pTaUywrYr7U.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PGwgsADuaag.html

@Earths-Moon 12 дней назад

As an American, this is one of the best trains I’ve ever seen

@philiprand3720 9 дней назад

Last time I was in Stuttgart, the Hauptbahnhof was being reconstructed. I would be interested in knowing if the huge cavern between the tracks and reception area has been filled, and if the trams can arrive once again undisturbed.

@ifly2themoon171 6 дней назад

The Project "Stuttgart 21" or "Bahnprojekt Stuttgart-Ulm" features their own RU-vid Channel, I linked the latest video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-McSg38RpLaw.html but there is much more on various topics.

@MJ-gw6uf 24 дня назад

It's not completely true, that these IC-services are cheaper then regional services. Berlin-Cottbus by RE will cost you 17€, but the (once daily) IC can be as low as 9€.

@truegemuese 2 дня назад

If you got a Deutschlandticket, like most people that take public transport at least a handful of times a month do, RE will be "free"

@Unterwelten 14 дней назад

Come to Canada, you'll be missing this luxurious train within minutes!

@ankakuzeyyuksel2240 20 дней назад

Its my opinion ofcourse, but i loved the IC2. Also looking forward for the video about the other double decker IC. Im Sending my love❤️

@WINGSANDRAILS 18 дней назад

I think they are pretty compfy but missing the Restaurant part. Maybe they adept in the future

@michaelz.7140 24 дня назад

yes lets see an video from the newer ic2-trains from austria (former WESTBAHN)

@EnjoyFirefighting 23 дня назад

As for the cost and benefit: Sure you can ride all regional services when you already have the Deutschland Ticket, however if not: looking up the same trip in 2 weeks time (as you pre-booked your ticket 2 weeks in advance as well): riding regional express trains the ticket would be 46€ from Nuremberg to Stuttgart, and the trip would take 3 to more than 4 hours, up to twice as long as your InterCity train. More expensive and longer journey time ... in that case I'd definetly go for the InterCity

@krone5 19 дней назад

The reviewer should have mentioned the Cannstatter Wasen over the Oktoberfest, as he went to Stuttgart.

@FordGranada75 9 дней назад

The latest upgrade for the ÖBB double decker wagons (regional train service) in the new "City Jet" design offers more comfort. The ICE 2 is really a train to avoid!

@NerdX151 20 дней назад

The arguement that these trains are for secondary IC-lines would make sense... However we are many who remember the InterRegio trains that filled that exact role, and THEY had a BordBistro coach and much better seating. DB basically took away the IR services and re-introduced them in a worse version.

@Bioshyn 20 дней назад

i like sitting below in doubledecker trains because closer to the ground it feels like you're going faster

@ketch_up 2 часа назад

A few years ago I took a DB intercity service between Dusseldorf and Berlin. It had a top speed of 200km/h, which it hit measured by my phone's GPS. I remember reading at the time that the current generation of intercity trains were about to be replaced - are these the trains that replaced them? If so I'm a bit confused about the complaints about the cabins being similar to commuter trains - because the service I took had coaches very similar to old single deck commuter coaches.

@sebastiannegrete9659 23 дня назад

06:08 The headrest slides so it can adjust depending on the person's height ;)

@theodorthegreathe 24 дня назад

It is unfortunate that you have omitted the DB Museum which is literally across the street from the ticket office in the main hall...

@OnkelJajusBahn 20 дней назад

I have only had second class experience. But I have to say, that these IC2 seats are way more comfortable than the Regional Express seats.

@jesus16789 23 дня назад

Well... The IC2 is still a Bombardier Twindexx (in a form of a push-pull unit) so if the interior train on the inside and outside look similar could be due to that, standarizing trains and services for easy maintenance

@Busfreak4000 23 дня назад

I love it!!!