The new Liquid cooled Triumph Bonneville, which one will you buy?

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This video is in answer to frequently asked questions about, The T100,T120, T120 black,street twin, street cup, street scrambler, Bobber, Bobber black, speedmaster, Thruxton, Thruxton R, scrambler 1200XE, scrambler 1200XC and speed twin!
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@londonjohn67 5 лет назад

Harley Davidson have gone down the same road, I.e 1 basic model, with lots of different parts added on & call it something else. “Parts bin special”, love the description!

@MatthewOliphant 5 лет назад

"All you should really be concerned about is how that bike makes you feel when you ride it. That is all that matters." Well said. Anyone who doesn't understand that, doesn't understand what a motorcycle is for.

@harrypalmer7169 5 лет назад

Here is the top of the range model sir, it comes with nearly everything , well except for all the parts you will need from the add-ons catalogue and nearly forgot the upgraded brakes, exhaust, seat, handle bars, power commander and spokes for the wheels but if you are doing the suspension also which lets face it you will need to, you may want to go the whole hog and upgrade the wheels too not just the spokes. You know it makes sense sir and it will suit you sir, did I also mention our line in retro clothing to go with your new upgraded £20,000 steed. Here at Triumph we like to think we have fleeced you of everything, sorry I meant thought of everything sir, after all our customers come first.

@brookcampbell2940 4 года назад

harry palmer Well put, Hairy Palms!

@andrewhannam. 5 лет назад

Hmmmm what would I buy new? Ohhh a Kawasaki W800! Maybe a RE 650 or a Moto Guzzi V7. Triumph classics are dead to me, thank goodness I bought my Thruxton when I did (360 degree air cooled)

@algesbrek5695 5 лет назад

I have never owned a triumph, but i really like the Triumph Amearica ,my next choice would be a T 100.... 2019 cuzz there is a power boost over the street twin, ai like the rev counter with twin guages , and I dont do 2 up riding anymore cheers

@uncleskull3270 5 лет назад

Before I bought my first motorcycle in the early 70's, I looked for riding lessons. Telephone directory (yes, I am going back a ways) showed me "Easy Motorcycle Riding" at shop very near my house. The shop turned out to be a BSA dealership owned by Theresa Wallach. Theresa was a small, petite woman, but hardly fragile. The shop was old, even by 70's standards; a single storefront with a well worn wooden floor, dim lighting and a pot belly stove for heat and warming water for afternoon tea. Age added much character to Theresa's face and her British mannerisms were a treat to this young buck in his early 20's at the time. Hope you can tell how much these memories mean to me so many years later. I have an autographed copy of her book "Easy Motorcycle Riding" which is one of the greatest prizes in my book collection. Be well. Ride safe.

@jeffreyhurst9552 5 лет назад

I’m 5’8” tall with a 29” inseam. My problem with most new bikes (especially adventure bikes) have seat heights that are too tall. At 66 years it is getting harder and harder to swing my leg over those taller saddles. I currently have a 2009 Bonneville (air cooled,fuel injected). It has been reliable but here are some things I would change: 1. Make it lighter. It is about 80 or 90 pounds heavier than my 2004 Honda F4i 600. 2. Give it a bit more horsepower. A 865cc bike with only 54 horsepower? The Fz07 makes 75 hp and the BMW F800GS makes over 80. 3. It leaks oil and the dealer had no luck with fixing that. 4. That “clunk” into first gear annoys me every time. Still, I love the looks, the electrics and brakes are quite good. The Bonneville Bobber is on my short list although that tiny tank may be the deal breaker. Thank you for the high quality videos and insights.

@kenp1013 5 лет назад

Jeffrey Hurst Lol! Bonnieville is perfect 👌 I’m 5’6 and I can flat foot it!

@peterfallows6802 5 лет назад

first gear clunks-tigersport-mt 09's & i last noticed someone on a HarleyD

@funguseater40 5 лет назад

I wouldn't call 2 brand new well engineered engines (900 and 1200 water cooled) cosmetic. Are you saying the new Scrambler 1200 is a parts bin special? And the different 'styles' of bonnevilles appeal to different people. It's not that hard to choose! I do agree the prices are getting crazy though.

@walterotiepka1460 5 лет назад

Stuart I'm 6foot 2inches and my t120 is incredibly comfortable and easy to ride why anyone would care about how you look while riding is ridiculous, I love my bike I think triumph knocked it out of the park with the t120, maybe with the speed twin and scrambler they should have given them more of there own identity

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

You wouldn't believe how many people ask me about it Walter! every week!

@thomaslohr2864 3 года назад

Those opening scenes hit hard after a year of lockdowns. Luckily, we are still allowed to go for a ride where I live.

@henryhartley9993 5 лет назад

Well said Stuart, while the British bike builders were sat twiddling their thumbs in the 60s the warning signs were already coming from Japan, Honda's success at the TT with exotic multi cylinder bikes should have been enough of an indication that if you don't invest and innovate then you're dead. Hopefully triumph have learnt their lesson and history won't be repeated...

@keithdrummond1003 5 лет назад

I'm thinking you ought to be hired by Triumph for marketing and quality control. Cheers from California. I'm looking at the Speed Twin, myself.

@FredWilbury 5 лет назад

Interesting and subjective narrative Stuart.... things I’d not thought of in that way .... bonneville is a bike I’d always liked the look of .... I chose my bonneville se because it suited me at the time .... non of the others appealed to myself .... having decided to change to a speed twin , I’d realised it’s bits , but for my small stature and weight I’m 5’11 and 70 when I get the the bike in a few weeks .. for me it was a lot easier to ride and really enjoyable .. ... the T 120 I found just too heavy for me , although it looks great and would be the better two up bike ... and you sure look the biz riding yours .. .... I just hope my other half will be ok on the back .... she never really got on with the se .... riding our Honda Cbf 1000 was great for touring but languished in the garage for some time, as my confidence in riding it had gone ..... I know I diversify from your video , but was at my local dealer today and when I looked at all the bonnevilles I wondered how one chooses .... , but as you mentioned it’s the one that’s right for oneself..... apologies for rambling on and thank you for the help have given ..... many regards Fred ....ps my wife with me found getting on the bike ok , it’s been along time having had a knee replacement..so onwards... looking forward to your next vid

@kieronbotting5265 5 лет назад

I don’t think you’re coming across at anywhere near troll levels, mate. Quite the opposite. Got a lot of respect for that. As Churchill was once quoted “Those that fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.” I myself am a new rider and having trickily navigated the myriad of Bonneville options I believe my heart is set towards the goal of getting myself the hipster mobile they call the Street Scrambler. Yep... that’s unashamedly me! I have to say that as someone watching in on Triumph, and following your channel, before buying my first from the stable... I really dig your comments on worry and concern for the potential lean towards quantity over quality from the factory. It’s all good pumping about the bikes, but without the full 360 management of the consumer (Lifetime relationship care) through care and up scaling it really is a House Of Cards cards situation. I myself love this brand, it’s quintessentially British, in a time where the very concept of what it means to be that is being strenuously put into question. It would be invaluable to see Triumph fly the flag with quality, decency, loyalty and reliability whilst continuing to keep the keenest of eyes for development & innovation. As with you.. i’ll unwaveringly look to love being a part of such a great community and hope with optimism that recent successes aren’t taken for granted at the expense of us, the consumers/followers/slaves to the cause/fanboys/gushing mortals!!! Thank you for your post. As always. (Except for the brass fitting ones, can’t say I’m keen!) I wish you and your channel well. 👊

@petewebb6952 5 лет назад

Typical of British Industry: that period when Triumph went downhill. British Leyland was the same: no investment by our country. Only one person had a degree (BA/BSc) in British Leyland in the mid eighties. Sell, sell, sell, that’s all our UK Government understood. Oh that’s ok they said, the UK is a banking nation, the UK is one of the main finances industry; but they proved didn’t even understand money/finances. Watch out Triumph, we are already getting tired of all the retro models coming out... Well said Stuart.

@raymorris952 5 лет назад

I get what you're saying stu, But if you ride all the Bonni range, they all feel quite different and offer different things to different people, Ride a street twin and then a street scrambler, basically the same bike , But they feel very different to Ride, Stop moaning and embrace the variety . And it's funny how the Japanese are bashing out retro looking bike's, trying to cash in on Triumphs success. And don't forget that the A2 license law is responsible for the 900 Bonnie's, they can't restrict the 1200 motor to 47 bhp, so let's brake it down, your a new rider or young rider on A2, and you want a Bonni, so do you want a classic looking old school look, ? T100 , no you want something a little less expensive and not so old Man, STREET TWIN, or you prefer cafe racer style, ! Great STREET CUP, or maybe you're a Steve McQueen fan, wicked, Have the STREET SCRAMBLER And it's the same with the 1200 range for us old farts , and grown ups, classic bonnie T120, cafe racer, Thruxton, Bobber anyone? Big tall Steve McQueen fan, Scrambler 1200, want a Thruxton R but more comfortable Speed twin. We've never had it so good, Embrace it people, because soon we will all been driving and riding Electric vehicles with speed restriction built in, Whoopi!

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

I think you heard what I said Ray but you didn't really listen to what I said. The difference's are subtle. different wheels, forks, handlebars, tune, etc all can change the feel of the bike but they dont make it a new bike. the attraction of the bonnie is that you can make of what you want these are the things that traditionally the owner would fettle himself. what your saying is that Triumph are doing all this for you, by producing different models? If thats the case why are they not putting adequate suspension on these bikes, and still offering a huge range of custom accessories for them? They are selling you the sizzle but keeping the sausage for themselves!

@gaetawars 5 лет назад

I miss the 360 degree crank Bonneville...

@dougfielding8215 4 года назад

If you miss the 360 degree crank Bonneville then you have to try a ride on a 360 degree crank parallel twin air cooled Kawasaki W800. It's an excellent bike and a real joy to ride (and to listen to- it has an excellent '60s Brit bike sound).

@ThiefOfNavarre 4 года назад

@@dougfielding8215 Super easy to work on too. 30 second air filter change, yes please 😅

@sammcrae8892 4 года назад

Agreed, it's a shame they don't offer it as an option. Actually, it wouldn't be that difficult to offer 270, 360, and 180 twins. If I get the money to buy a Bonnie, I'll get a 270, since it's what's on offer, but if they had a 360 option, I would definitely go with it rather than a 270.

@anroadking 5 лет назад

Your pub music clips remind me of Nellies Pub in Beverley. Used to go there on visits from North Wales years ago.

@davidatkins8280 5 лет назад

Interested in the comments about squealing front disks on the T120. I have been back to the dealer twice; they are in denial. Other than that a beaut bike

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

There is a fix out for it Dave. Basically a new front wheel assembly. In order to get them to sort it you will need to push them hard! An email to triumph customer care outlining your issue may help

@davidatkins8280 5 лет назад

Stuart Fillingham after a good degree of communication with Triumph Australia and the local dealer they agreed to deal with my squealing front brake. The issue is harmonics, like the sound you get when you run a wet finger around the lip of a wine glass. The fix was, as you suggested, a new front wheel which has what appears to be rubber rings between the wheel hub and the brake discs. Done by the dealer as a ‘good will’ exercise as the bike was out of warranty. Looks a little clumsy but it seems to work. Thanks for your help. David

@alfredvonk7686 4 года назад

As a former TT600 and current Tiger 1050 owner i just love Triumph. And in love with the classics like Bonnevilles. However....Why on Earth did Triumph designed, builds and sells Bobbers, Rockets, Americas .... got nothing to do with British style or herritage. The current 900cc twin is too modern for my taste as well...more a snobs toy... and Pricewise simply not for the working class anymore. So i Will take a turn and buy me a Enfield Interceptor 650. Although build in India... a true British bike !!!! Pls continue your excelent reviews Stuart !!. Best regards from the Netherlands

@Shaqeroni 5 лет назад

Your point was driven painfully home February 2018 for me, 4 months after paying $10500 for a new silver/black 2017 Street Cup which I quickly parked for the winter with a measly 500 miles on her, my dealer had about 100 of them (mostly yellow ones) for sale at $7999 new. I called and complained, naively asked for some of my money back...they laughed. It took them a year to sell all of those new Street Cups at $7999. I still owe more than that now...🤨

@Nak0ut 3 года назад

I’m with you bro, I’m 6’5 and have been told I look funny on my shadow and Bonnie bobber but I don’t care. I’m in it for the thrill of riding. Besides Ive always been cool away ;)

@richardcollins586 5 лет назад

T100, T120, Thruxton, Speed, Street and Daytona, that’s all Triumph should be in my opinion. Interesting history of the brand, didn’t know half of all that. Went out on my first long ride of the season last sat, the Ducati Monster looked lovely. Stuart, if you get the chance, try out Autoglym Ultra high definition wax, it’s a white Carnauba wax and yes-it’s a bit pricey at nearly 50 quid (it will last you for a long time as you need very little ) though on a freshly claybar’ed tank I’ve never seen gloss like it, the red tank looks fantastic! 😊

@michaelking4578 Год назад

I will never buy one of the liquid cooled Triumphs. I've got an air cooled Bonneville and I'm good with it.

@whiterabbit201 5 лет назад

Great video but............there's 2 sides to that coin about the factory not constantly tossing out totally new bikes every year. It gives them time to work out all the bugs, the aftermarket is assured their parts fit a wide swath of years and models and allows garage tinkerers swap around parts too. BTW, you should have a smile on your face every time you go to the garage and see your bike. It should make you happy and everyone else can Piss Off! LOL! Only posers are concerned what others think about. Ya' see that alot with the Harley crowd unfortunately.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

it wasn't my suggestion that they should be bringing new models out at all Mr white. im all for leaving a new model alone for 3 to 4 years before upgrading it in fact my attraction to the T120 is that it looks old, so there is no need to do anything with it except refresh the colours occasionally. my concern is that the current trend of dress up bikes is diluting the modern classic genre, and devaluing it. there are simply too many of them, as is be confirmed by most comments on here!

@xaviillas615 5 лет назад

It’s not about which Bonneville you have. It’s about who rides it. I have a brand new T120 and a Scrambler 900 carburation model, and they are like sisters, something in common but very different. I love adore my Scrambler 900 and with her I traveled the wold without Öhlins and without expensive upgrades. Just as it came from the dealer. Zero problems and many BMW stopped out of the road. The raider and the use that you want to give your motorcycle are the key.

@RobVespa 5 лет назад

Where is this filmed? It's beautiful. Regarding your thoughts on Triumph, they mirror my own. I've been considering selling my 2017 T120 Black, but haven't, as I fear I'd take a big loss. I just want a style, and possibly model, that better suits me. The decision to buy the one I have, which was my first new bike purchase in over three decades of riding*, was infuenced by someone I thought would be my passenger for the rest of my days. That's no longer the case. So, there are probably other reasons I'd like to trade it. That said, I don't know that it's worth taking a several thousand dollar hit in order to do so. As an asdie, I've also had troubles dealing with Triumph regarding recalls and issues - Both with the local shop and the company. It's a pretty expensive bike, which makes the lack of service feel worse. * I bought, restored, sold, and then bought more vintage bikes.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

North Yorkshire Rob.

@triumphrider9796 5 лет назад

Well said, Stuart. Interesting that BMW axed some of the R9T variants, I'd say Triumph should definitely follow suit and drop several Bonnie models, maybe cut it back to T100, T120, Bobber and Thruxton R, that's still plenty. When I bought mine there were just the base model and the Bonneville America; I was debating whether to go with the Bonnie or a Kawasaki ZRX, then I saw photos of the then-upcoming T100 and bought that straight away. As I understand it, the T100 was planned as a one-year-only model (the '02 Centenary Edition), but sales encouraged the decision to keep it in the line-up. Really, it's just a Bonnie with a tach, a special paint job and plated engine case covers (and in the case of the '02, a Centenary Edition badge on the side covers). The TFC models are a bit too much, I doubt they'll hold their value well (kind of like an AMG Mercedes); I've seen an MV Agusta F4 Senna at a local dealer, and was shocked at how low the asking price was, and that bike is FAR more beautiful and exclusive as only 300 exist (I was shocked it was even there, let alone having a price tag on it). Nice pub, good music, very nice vintage Triumph there!

@dug_c 5 лет назад

Stuart, great video. Thanks for saying what we are all thinking. I too have been getting confused by the proliferation of Triumph models, including the ADV models. I would like to see them scale back and offer a sub-liter bike and an over 1-liter model, both Standard and ADV. Let the sub-liter bikes have an economy and high price model. Plus-liter bikes should only be fully kitted offering. Then sell aftermarket kits to dress up the bikes to make them unique. Don't get me started on Scramblers.... Quality over quantity. Thanks again. Keep up the great work

@caroldave4037 5 лет назад

Hi stuart this could make way for enfield interceptor simple.. air cooled ..cheap ...seen my first RE in the metal today as a ex bonneville owner..im very impressed with it...cheers from dave..

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

I think the interceptor has already put the wind up Triumph and ruffled their strategies a bit. the power output and price was set to topple the street twin which is why triumph had to quickly re release it retuned with an extra 10HP!

@alanbrookes6637 4 года назад

stuart fillingham , I was in India on a RE 500 on a tour last Christmas/New Year, a great ride and interesting to meet young Indian riders on Interceptors expressing their pleasure in the bike. Personally I don’t like the upswept pipes, but they are gaining admirers here in Australia.

@manmeetsharma2632 5 лет назад

I agree with you. The old models were hit because you could turn them into what you want performance and look wise. Now company is making them themself plus charging alot for it, taking away the excitement out of customising them yourself.

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

Ah excellent I was worried people wouldn't get my point! Thank you sir!

@manmeetsharma2632 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham7011 what is the point of street cup and scrambler 900 anyway. You could easily change street twin into any off those. The older scrambler was different from rest because of its 270 degree firing order. Now they all are same. But I do like the new speed twin but then again you can make something similar out of street twin performance and look wise . I also liked the pub music at start 👍.. I always wanted to go on motorcycle in country areas like that. It's very beautiful. One day I dream to go around Tasmania, it's quite similar to European countryside...

@iivaridark6850 5 лет назад

Yes, You are so right! One should never buy a bike for showing it to other people or regarding how one looks on it, only for the feel one has while riding it... That is because we have our bikes, that look a bit awkward at first for a seasoned rider like us... But they are so cute little puppies to ride! And the eye gets accustomed - after a while they look almost nice. About Triumph - i think there is something coming but don't know what. Hope it will be ok.

@davelinstead4052 5 лет назад

Excellent vlog. Agree. The prices of Bonnevilles in Canada are up there with high quality Japan bikes. I’ve owned 2 T100 and lived them but as you said you should expect more for the price. One thing here is that it is very hard to find used Triumphs at bargain prices. Seems Canadians hold on to them lol so that says something. Still I am drawn to Triumph and maybe I’ve been seduced to the dark side of customer loyalty. Great work Stuart.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

Thank you Dave!

@marcr660907 5 лет назад

I believe you have touched on some salient points with regard to Triumph. I too have stopped watching certain new bike launches, as it always is much of the same with a new wrapper. I’ve always thought you looked great on the Bonneville’s Stuart, it never looked ‘out of proportion’ to me. I’m also tall and well built!

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

lol thanks Marc!

@colinstorrar449 5 лет назад

Three years ago I had a problem with my 14’Thunderbird LT. The engine was making clacking noises on the overrun. Sounding for all the world like piston slap. Tried unsuccessfully to get Triumph to trace the fault. With dealers suggesting it was a characteristic, or I was imagining it. This was on a bike with less than 5000 miles on it! In the end I took a big loss just to get rid. Now ride Suzuki. Won’t be buying another Triumph any time soon.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

a story I hear all too often colin.

@hudsonrilke 5 лет назад

Interesting. Seems to me a lot of big companies don’t invest enough in customer support and resolving issues. Triumph have some class bikes out there in addition to the bonnies but if the dealers aren’t accepting that there are known issues that’s poor.

@theendofmytether 5 лет назад

Absolutely spot on analysis. I have also become less and less interested in the new triumph models as they do seem to similar to already existing models. I bought a T120 and I and I am very happy with it, despite two recall problems an the persistent squealing brakes problem, to which Triumph's answer was unacceptable. But are they saturating the market and ignoring perfecting existing models? Clearly they are.

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

Here here Mr sare. Quite right. You don't bring out new models when you still have disgruntled customers waiting for their bikes to be put right!

@janzienkiewicz5295 5 лет назад

Stuart I couldn't agree more. The after sales service is a awful from triumph I have had such poor service that I feel I can't even go into the show room because of the non-interested atmosphere. Personally I am going to restore a 1960s Bonneville and go down that road. It's why I bought A modern T1 20, but I have now realized that ownership of a triumph is more than just having the badge on the tank. They are almost living breathing creature's and if you can take your engine apart sort out problems yourself put it back together and know you had something to do with that , and let's face it what with RU-vid I believe all of us could strip down an old T1 20 engine and rebuild it there's enough information out there .for me that's what Motorcycling is all about. Keep up this great channel all the best.

@daveyoude2828 5 лет назад

I agree Stu... modular concept gone bonkers... look at the Explorer range, 6 models all priced and badge differently. Surly this could be catered for by simply offering options under the same badge to keep residual prices in check.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

yes i think they need to calm down a little Dave!

@paulfr68 5 лет назад

I didn't know you played guitar! Triumph should release a new model called the Triumph Brexit. It would have no release date and no one at the factory would agree on the spec, so would have completely random parts fitted.

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

Lol that sounds like most of the current range!

@michaelevans1658 5 лет назад

Call me a cynic but most things in life are about money ,my cynical view.

@jimwoollard8329 5 лет назад

I agree with you. They seem to be doing the same thing with the Tiger's. They stopped making some really good bikes and have gone to 2 or 3 lines that have far too many variants. I always thought it was wrong to stop the Trophy and the cruiser style bikes like the thunderbird. I would probably of had a Trophy by now as they are far better for being a blood runner than the bonneville. Saying that I love my Bonnie but it's not practical for blood running

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

its a slipper slope Jim. maybe they are looking to pull in some short term profit then sell it on?

@iRidetas 5 лет назад

Even honda have done the same thing with the cb500r cbr500r cb500x and rebel500 all same engine and running gear but different clothes. Seems to sadly be the way of the future!

@MothershipVideos 5 лет назад

Well said old chap.

@henryhawk7038 5 лет назад

Seems to me some of the people watching your videos might be new to riding and want you to decide what bike is right for them without their ever leaving the house and setting foot in a dealer's show room and getting the experience of throwing a leg over a bike for themselves.

@frankfeely9235 5 лет назад

Spot on. Once the cash starts to come in integrity disappears.

@twinphill900 5 лет назад

Hi mate I got an email to tell me my street twin has a recall. To do with the wiring harness. I showed the service fella how at full lock the head light bracket hits the loom and frayed the wrapping. He said the recall will move the harness and we’ll wrap the harness where it frayed. This sounds positive to me. Then I went to the sales counter and bought the anodised black oil filler cap. I do like the bike a great deal so I hope all goes as it should. Triumph has a great product, history is so important. Helps you not to repeat previous mistakes.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

Unfortunately Phil thats part of the problem, they dont! they continued to build the fault regarding the fuel pump harness in to the bike even after they had been forced by the authorities to recall it back in 2017, and ive complained about this current harness problem several times, ( even mentioned it in an early video) and each time was told to do one! they are only sorting it now because the authorities have compelled them to do so.

@twinphill900 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham oh dear, that does not sound good at all. Someone from Triumph will watch and read all this Stuart I'm sure. So I hope this video is a wake up call. You are highly regarded here, and mentioned often on Triumph rat forum. Thank you for the effort that's put in, to make these videos informative, entertaining and always accurate 🙏

@davidwaller2179 5 лет назад

I've felt pretty much the same. There is an awful lot of brand spread. I would like to see a simplification of the Bonneville range focusing instead on significant periodic upgrades, much improved customer service, and innovative new models such as mid-range machines that appeal to those smaller in stature, for instance.

@thisisme7587 5 лет назад

The speed twin is relevant to this but not so much for the XE Scrambler. Triumph are probably feeling the market and time will tell which bike they'll drop. The 120 is in trouble as people are over the handling of it which is where the speed comes in. It's gathering dust on the showroom floor. Be interesting to see if the t120 or t100 goes. One has to. Same with the scrambler. If the 1200 outsells the 900 it should be see you later 900. Thruxton r and s? One only please. They definitely need to thin the herd but those saying t120 is the only Bonnie lordy lordy your old timey.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

T120 is their core model and last time I looked sales were still strong, I think if they deleted that the relevance of the range would be compromised, The whole Bonneville brand was rebuilt on the T designation . The Bobber is a 1937 speed Twin replica! god only knows why they called it a bobber and gave the speed twin designation to a T120 with a styling Kit! wait until you see what they've done with the throttle bodies, penny pinching that will appal you. The speed twin is aimed at competing with the 70s retro models from Yamaha and Kawasaki problem is triumph has no credible heritage from the 70s and the whole thing is a bit clumsy. I think theres a good chance one or two of the 900 models will go. As for the scrambler I think an adventure classic may just work, is a promising idea!

@thisisme7587 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham yes agree. I've had people bag me out about my ujm comments on a forum about the speed twin. I don't think it was a necessary addition but it is selling well. The bobber and master are too closely related IMO. And the 900 range should only be the street as an entry level. Just need to sharpen up the handling non the t120 then the 100 is redundant.

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

@@thisisme7587 I think it's selling because it's new and it looks fresh. The big test is wether it will still be selling as well in a year or twos time. I can't help thinking that triumphs strategy is to keep bringing in new variants to reap short term sales on these models and then drop them as soon as interest falls. It looks like that might be what they are doing. Re the scrambler I agree only one model was really appropriate, although I have to say a classic style adventure bike is a potential winner, a very interesting concept!

@thisisme7587 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham7011 100% in on the scrambler XE. It's a brilliant bike. But an xc and 900 is too many.

@andyturner9836 5 лет назад

Was that Aysgarth Falls Stuart?..... Was up there about 3 weeks ago.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

Yes Andy it was.

@hollowaysteve 5 лет назад

That gold one is nice bit of kit. Not 'entirely' my style but nicely done none the less. 'Parts bin special' is correct mind. Very easy to make pots of money. For the time being...

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

I think it was a Down and Out creation Steve the owner was a really nice guy! thanks for watching.

@Kasperblk 5 лет назад

I decided to get a second bike recently. I really wanted a Triumph however I decided to get a Yamaha because the bike had better performance and a better price. I picked the Yamaha up for almost half the priceof the specific model I was looking at. While Triumph prices aren't Harley expensive they are a tad bit high.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

I couldn't agree more Jessica

@berniebne8243 5 лет назад

Well said, Stuart! The British disease. The British Car Industry of the '70s was exactly the same. The Mini great car took its engine from the Morris Minor, another great car, in the mid-50's? in 1989 when I emigrated it was called the Mini Metro & still had the same engine. OK, it had increased cc's. but really. So sad. I ride a 2018 Triumph Tiger 800 XCA, I feel it is a significant improvement on the previous model, IMO based on extensive test rides. So some hope maybe. Oh, I'm 6'4" & rode a Honda Super Cub daily for 26 years so ride what you want to ride & ignore the idiots.

@Jedz123 5 лет назад

Well I can't completey agree. I'm 35 years old and didn't buy my T120 because it was the fastest or best handling but because the bike is just so stone cold simple. Its a true standard motorcycle with a great engine that delivers real world power where I need it. I see the new Bonneville as I would the Suzuki GS, Honda CB and Kawasaki CB lines back in the 80:s (and since I was born in the 80's I'm just referring to the research I've done). The Suzuki GS model(which I hold near and dear to my heart as a GS750L was my first motorcycle) had a huge variation of shaft, chain, small to large displacement bikes ranging from a standard (GS750 IE) to a Touring(G) to grand touring(GK) to A "cruiser" (L) to a Sport (E) and super sport (ES). All the bikes were based off the same frame and engine design with 3 basic engine variants Big block 4, small block 4 and the twins. It clearly sold well and they eventually all evolved into the modern bikes we know and love. These bikes were all parts/bin bikes but they started to variate and new parts only became available until the line branched off, example GS to GSX to GSX-R. Now we still have awesome modern specific motorcycles that will crush a Bonneville if you were to compare it to that specific genere , sure so the Bonneville can't "evolve without becoming something that already exists... The variants are there because the customer wants them. Supply meets demand Stewart. The T120 IE is still one of the best standard motorcycles on the market. The motor is only 3 years old and I can say it's premature to say it's long in the tooth. Making a Modern classic is like printing money and Triumph is the mint... Anyway I need to her to work but point being is variants are spurred by customer feedback and obviously money and lastly the new Bonneville is still so new that I don't fear it becoming long in the tooth because it is a throw back bike, designed perfectly with only a handful of years old. My 2 cents.

@Jedz123 5 лет назад

Last to note, I'm coming up to 25K miles on my 2018 T120 and the bike has been stellar. The warranty has saved me 2 times (Radiator and blown transmission). I have 2 more years of warranty and by the time it's over I will be pushing close to 90K miles. Bike is just a great all round do it all machine and I will be trading it in for the Speed Twin next go round.

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

I think you've completely missed the point of my video jedz. And I've got absolutely no idea what point your trying to put over. We are not talking about general contemporary motorcycles. If the t120 a triumph modern CLASSIC motorcycle was meant to evolve cosmetically, why base it on a 1959 model?

@Jedz123 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham7011 You did miss my point and I apologize for not coming across clear, it was 5 AM when I first posted. I come from the UJM Universal Japanese Motorcycle realm. The truth being is that no one made a high quality Standard/Universal motorcycle until the water-cooled Bonneville hit the floor. I see the new Bonneville line very much in the same light as the old UJMs like the; Suzuki GS, Kawasaki KZ, Honda CB etc... I really don't think Triumph is just trying to pedal the same old in different dress kits for the new Speed Twin (in example) has magnesium components in the engine to lighten the bike. Brembo brakes, aluminum swing arm, better suspension and yes other Cosmetics but pound for pound (and the Speed Twin has 50 less then the T120) they may have the same DNA and similar motors but they are different bikes... Of course this is in my opinion (and we can agree to disagree on that :) ). As for the Brakes I know my 2018 has the rotor bushings which eliminate the weird feel and sound. I have had a stellar experience with Triumph and having the transmission replaced (bits that broke were sent to Hinckley for analysis so they could improve the metallurgy of the components, so I was told) and the bike was in for a month but they threw in my 20K miles service in which saved me a few hundred $USD$. Triumph also reached out and told me about the harness recall which was a problem in the 2016, 2017 and I guess the 2018 models, I'm glad that Triumph is just now addressing this. So I get where your coming from that you fear Triumph is on a path of its past but I'm not sold on your statement for the bike is a very competitive model, very high quality, very modern in tech (I have cruise control on mine and you can't find that on the competition Standard bikes) and to say it's on the same path of sell the same old just makes me scratch my head. I say you would be right if this was 2025 and there wasn't a revision coming out or in sight (7-10 years is a common run for a model before receiving a revamp if we compare to the Japanese). But the complete model revamp is only 5 years old (3 for the 1200) and I still see that in that transition since new sub models are still coming out. The Scrambler 1200 is not like Scrambler 900 and is more ADV than anything. The Speeds Twin is what the T120 should have been IMHO for a guy like me, 30's, rides 30K miles a year and SPORT tourers but wants a standard up right motorcycle that is styled correctly (like a motorcycle) and not like some weird bastard child of a motorcycle and transformer (which is why I didn't want a Japanese standard bike this go round). I think Triumph is just finding their stride still. I say what I say because I have no brand loyalty and come from the UJM/ Japanese Standard market I can truthfully say the (nEW) Bonneville is a gem. A bike I very much am glad to have found and will continue to buy. If the I hit 45 and the Bonneville remains unchanged at that point I may walk away but that's a few bikes from now and will continue riding what I would say is the best damn motorcycle I have ever owned. Hope you better understand where I'm coming from, Wish you nothing but the best my friend. Cheers!

@Jedz123 5 лет назад

@@splodge5714 Yes Yamaha was behind in the stride but they made up ground fast in the 90's with the genesis engine (no pun intended)... Their triple wasn't great and their twin in the Viragos were riddled with many issues. I think the variation from triumph is just a test to see what is going to sell well in the market and what won't and you'll see the Bonneville line evolve from those sales results... All in all the Bonneville is a solid real world performer.

@350esp 5 лет назад

Hi Stuart i totally agree with you i really wanted a new speed twin and asked triumph where they were made because i thought they were made in England and i always buy British and was told it was no concern of mine where they were made but where told they were bult in Thailand and should see past all this i have other triumphs which are made in England and I'm very proud of the mark but i will not support the rich bean counters and share holders for maximum profit that don't give a dam about British jobs and about me or any-other customer i will support japan if they are made in japan as the support many British jobs in this country and one good turn deserves another so instead of a speed twin i bought a Kawasaki Z900rs take note Triumph don't support us we won't support you !!

@nils.d.kavaller1163 5 лет назад

Well spoken mrFillingham. Spot on! 6foot 2inches on a 1200 Speedmaster. Love it!

@petersydney5895 5 лет назад

Can't disagree with most of your thoughts here, but it's not all bad news. I was really set on a T120 for the new year, but did have concerns after watching your customer service issues and hearing about other problems. Then the Speed Twin was announced, and it seemed to address a whole range of issues. With the T120, people complained about the brakes, the stalky mirrors, the need to remove silencers to adjust the chain, the weight, and the tubed tyres. The Speed Twin fixed all these things. Loads of people loved the Thruxton engine, but found the riding position a struggle, and the Speed Twin has the same engine but an upright riding position and better placed foot pegs. I bought a Speed Twin when it was introduced in Australia, and as a stock bike, it ticks so many boxes. I absolutely love it. It feels like a genuine progression from the T120 and Thruxton. But to your point, you can't just keep on doing this forever! All your Triumph output continues to be hugely inspirational - keep up the great work!

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

Well all I can say is triumphs customer care is not going to change just because it's a street twin. And the standard of build will not change because it's a speed twin. Most of the problems reported have affected all models with exception of the brake squeal on the t120 which was down to the design of the wheel not the brakes. Having seen some under the skin photos of the speed twin im pretty sure it's a model I would not wish to own.

@petersydney5895 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham7011 You are probably right about the customer care, and what a shame that is. There is in fact already a safety recall for the Speed Twin, for a coolant hose that could melt! I hope you ride a Speed Twin to see for yourself what it is about. Personally I reckon it is closer to what a modern Bonneville should be like, retaining much of the imagery of a traditional bike, but with lots of modern upgrades that make the bike really nimble and fun to ride. I would love to see your review of the new bike and maybe you could consider this for a future vid. Keep up the great work.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

Yeah this is the problem when you push a new bike on to the market without developing it sufficiently first! good luck with it and enjoy!@@petersydney5895

@alankeers 5 лет назад

It’s fair to raise concerns to keep Triumph honest and avoid history repeating itself. However, I think you have missed a few points. Nick Bloor has been clear in his business strategy, producing variants around core engineering to keep focused on what works. Visiting Hinckley and seeing how they engineer each variant opens your eyes and it is not just a parts bin project. The skill and R&D that goes into them is fantastic. As for this being different to the rest of the market, that’s not quite true. Car manufacturers do exactly the same, all Peugeot platforms are used by Citroen and some by Nissan. The current Vauxhall SUV is a Peugeot 3008. All of the Volkswagen group share chassis and components, you’ll find the same under skin vehicle across Seat, Skoda, Audi and VW. If anything, I’d be more concerned about how long the custom and retro phase will last, just as sports bikes are dipping now, will we see the same in this market? What will Triumph do then? Will they see it coming?

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

The evidence suggests otherwise Alan, what Triumph tells you on a factory tour and the reality of actual development and production may well be two completely different things. coming from a motor trade back ground myself I cant think of any manufacturer that has had 14 variants running, usually the maximum is six. cross production between manufacturers is a completely different thing and has no bearing on my concerns in this video. take a look at the throttle bodies on the new speed twin. (Triumph have hidden what they have done with bits of plastic and aluminium) and ask your self how much thought and development went in to the mess they have made!

@alankeers 5 лет назад

@@stuartfillingham Appreciate your reply. I honestly am not as concerned about the range, quite frankly I would have one of each if I had a garage big enough and pockets deep enough. Having visited the local Triumph dealer this weekend to look at some of the new models; they are fantastic, however what did strike me was the increasing cost. Remembering what happened in the late eighties/early nineties the OTR price seems to be shifting from reasonable to 'let's have a long think about this'..... Apart from the brand, one of the things that drew me to Triumph and away from the Japanese bikes was the value aspect, priced for the market with the style and quality to match. For me, the price increases that we saw twenty years ago drove a number of people away from bikes, and now we have gone through a new era of enthusiasm, I am concerned that prices may drive people away again. Seeing the Speed Triple approaching £14k and the Tiger up to £17k seems to be moving slightly ahead of the inflationary curve for most people and for some models represents around a 50% increase in the last 5 years or so. Let's hope that Triumph don't move away from what has made them the modern day success that they now are.

@stevec.2702 5 лет назад

In agreement with your "concern" over the direction that the Triumph company are heading in. I bought a used 2015 T100 in January (privately). I had the cash to buy a new model after selling my r1200rt lc. But the older air-cooled appealed to me more. I also had an eye on depreciation. As that old saying goes "they aint making them any more" ,suggested that it would hold its retail value more. No regrets on the purchase. Your video on the air-cooled v water-cooled was a good guide. Keep up the fine work.

@millierussell8577 5 лет назад

Hi yes I agree. I have a 2011 se and I am just okay with the oil cooler which is a worry at times. Would have preferred just the fins to cool oil.

@billwyatt2449 5 лет назад

I agree with your view. Triumph needs to get it together. I am in the US market and there is a lot of talk about the declining number of Triumph Dealers. I am in Indiana and there is not a dealer in the entire state except for one listed on the Indiana-Michigan boarder. I understand it is the demands they are making on dealers causing them to leave the brand behind. Triumph needs to understand they are a niche in the US market no one would handle them as a primary line. I agree with you that size does not matter, but the Modern Classic line lends itself to the female and smaller stature man market. Not everyone wants to handle a 900 pound motorcycle. Deleting the Thunderbird was a big mistake in our market. The Modern Classics are great suburban bikes, but in this market you need a bike that can handle the interstate system. It is nice they have a limited version of the Rocket, but the Rocket was always a specialty bike. Triumph also needs to support the older model bikes as far as accessories. The accessories for the Rocket were gone before they had cleared the new inventory. I own 3 Triumphs and love what have done in the market up to this point, but you are correct in your assessment. Too much of a good thing can turn bad real quick.

@pmdinaz 5 лет назад

Well said! A Bonneville is a Bonneville, choose the 'features' or configuration you like and go riding! Personally I'm very glad they shed the spokes on the Speed Twin. It's 2019, and tubeless tires dominate the street market, so why not put tubeless spokes on the bikes!? Save money on manufacturing, splash an 'upgrade' and charge more. It's what bothered me about suspension as well, the frame and engine are the same, for the most part, but can't seem to put quality adjustable suspension. Aftermarket prices are what they are, and bikes aren't a universal fit, I get that too. But I'm 6'2" 225lbs, and the stock suspension is horrible on the T100, and marginally better in the T120. I digress, I love my Triumph. Just a U.S. viewer expressing an echo of your opinion. Dealers here are still finding good success I think, but as you pointed out, that may begin to want in the next couple of years.

@andrewmckay6332 5 лет назад

Yup remember the sad NVT days rebadged Japanese 2 strokes what’s next for Triumph Chinese badged 125 2t trail bikes 😱

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

Don't joke! There are rumours of something very similar in development!

@xaviillas615 5 лет назад

3:41 Obelix and a menhir 😂

@MakoVette 5 лет назад

Denial isn't just a river in Africa: You and your viewer nailed it one. I love my T120 Black, but it's 100% a (very nice) parts bin bike, My wife loves the Triumph Bobber Black (She rides a Harley Street Bob), so she may end up getting get one, but still, parts bin bikes all the same. Harley is totally famous for the parts bin bike as well. Look at their current Softail line, which is 10!!! "models" deep all built on the same frame. I own a 2016 Dyna Lowrider S, liked the test rides on the new Softails and meh, not interested in buying one. Dodge does the same thing with their Challenger muscle car, which has something like 6 different models and 4 different trim levels. It hasn't seen a chassis update in a decade. Of course I love the Challenger and bought one for my wife anyways, so like the T120 I bought, maybe parts bin does work to a point for a while...? Hinkley's time to shine is the upcoming Rocket III. Us Yankees will snap that bike up in a heart beat if it meets performance expectations and is not a crap quality machine. Consider the Hyabusa is out of production now, so the RIII has a heck of an opportunity to rule the muscle bike scene if the Triumph team executes well. Cheers!

@BloodrageEngage 5 лет назад

I hope the Bobber Black isn't one of the ones getting the axe, planning on buying one early next year.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

I think its still selling pretty well so hopefully not!

@joshuakellar4431 5 месяцев назад

The first I have heard of triumph being garbage. Oil leaks in some of the old ones ,nothing too serious. One of the best air cooled in my opinion.

@manfredoesterwinter7902 5 лет назад

Hi Stuart, I just graded up to a Speed Twin, which is individually for me the next step in the Bonneville series. What I think is that customizing a base model surely is more expensive than buying it from the OEM. I got a very good price for my T120 but that might be a specifica of the German market. I share a lot of your doubts, but on the other hand diversification is the price paid to what we call „Zeitgeist“, look at Ducati, Kawasaki or BMW too (r Nine t, r nine t pure) Whatsoever great video from you

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

for many customising is the reason for buying the bike Manfred, its not necessity its done for the enjoyment.

@manfredoesterwinter7902 5 лет назад

stuart fillingham That‘s surely true, but to take aThruxton and modify it in direction SpeedTwin would overcharge me, so we got an idiom here that says: the one man‘s owl is the other ones nightingale“ :-))

@professor1972 5 лет назад

I had a 1970 model and wouldn't have swapped it for two 1972+ bikes. I recently test rode a new 900cc Street Twin and the power was comparable to my old 1994 XJ600. My 1995 XJ900 (not exactly a sports bike) would have left it standing and been a lot more comfortable. I had several test rides on the T120 when it came out and was generally impressed except for the price and the "We know the seat isn't very comfortable but we can SELL you a more comfortable one" attitude from Triumph. I have to say I wouldn't buy a new Bonneville and as someone who's been biking for nearly 50 years I share your concern about Triumph's business plan.

@kyotosal 5 лет назад

Hello Sir. Would you happen to know which Triumphs are made in Thailand. I would love to have a Triumph but they are astronomically expensive here in Thailand. It's a very sad situation. I wonder if Triumph management has tried to do something about it. I have only seen 2 Triumphs in the year I have been here. An $8000 Bonneville in the US costs $12,000 here. A Triumph Tiger 800 is $17,000! Just thought you might have some information. Thank you for this great video.......Sal : )

@danieloconnell4225 4 года назад

Hi Stuart; quality content that I somehow missed. I had a T120 - quite liked it - but on the occasion I wanted to push it, I found it a bit wanting; it was a bit too heavy, a bit too slow to tip-in, a bit too slow to... well, slow down. Ended up trading it in on a new Speed Twin. I miss the wire wheels, but that's about the only thing; the Speed Twin still looks suitably 'retro', but it remedies every issue the T120 had in terms of performance, and I don't mean that just in terms of raw power. For what it's worth, I couldn't handle the Thruxton - I'm fairly short, and weigh very little; being bent that far forward was a reach for me, especially when it came to getting a leg down at stop-signs, so that one was a no-go. I was rather impressed by what I saw on the Speed Twin; the wheels are unique, as are the exhaust pipes - bigger yet, the frame has a unique aluminium frame portion that no other Bonneville has, lighter and different alloy engine casings, and a unique clutch pack. The tank paint (albeit only a cosmetic item) is also unique, as are the 'bobbed' unpainted aluminium fenders. In short, stylistic similarities are there, but it's not really a 'parts bin special', and it feels quite different than the other Bonnevilles, with enough unique parts to differentiate it from the others beyond just appearance. Perhaps I'm looking at it with overly rose-tinted glasses, but I think a number of models are indeed fairly unique - the Speed Twin feels it, as does the Bobber (the Bobber perhaps more than any other). I appreciate your perspective, however - you're certainly a good deal older than I, and even if you weren't, it's clear you have a lot more experience with the Triumph brand to judge the modern company against. You're right to caution against Triumph relying on hype instead of substance; I've not seen it yet, but again, my experience with the brand is much more narrow; I grew up with my father's 1973 Triumph Tiger 750, and then moved to the brand new WC models - I'm a bit of a newbie. Cheers!

@frankpellegrino7448 4 года назад

In reality you could substitute the name Bonneville for Harley Davidson and it would be a fair comparison. Harley is not the giant that most think they are and employ about 6500 employees worldwide. The Japanese blew everyone away in the seventies, and you may recall that Harley went to a bowling machine company for a bailout (AMF). Fast forward to today and there are as many versions of the Softail line as there are variations of the Bonneville. Same marketing strategy, same bike with different bars, seats, bags, fairings, windshields etc. and of course they come in black or chrome. Quality and warranty issues are no better than Triumph. They too have a very loyal following here in the States as I’m sure the Brits are loyal to Triumph. I’ve owned many Harley’s and felt the same way about them as you feel about Triumph. I must tell you that I’ve been following your channel for quite some time and thoroughly enjoy it. So much so that I have recently purchased a T120. There is now a Honda, a Harley and a Triumph in my garage (my lady rides the Harley). One of the reasons I bought the Bonneville is that I have a reputable dealer where I live that also sells Triumphs as well as Honda’s and he has been very good about doing warranty work ( yes, even Honda’s aren’t completely sorted out). I’ve owned many motorcycles in my 50 years of riding and the modern ones all needed warranty work so Triumph is no different. Don’t despair, the Triumph name is a valuable commodity and even if the company fell on hard times, someone will pick up the ball and run with it, witness Indian, Royal Enfield and now recently Norton. Thank you again for producing a superior RU-vid channel, I look forward to all your new videos.

@TheQ427 5 лет назад

Thats what they do with the Tiger as well - why not having just 2 models (800 & 1200 displacement) and a huge offering for add-ons - would be perfectly fine, wouldn't it? Customer service IS lousy to say the least - even huge dealers with high purchasing numbers remain unheard. All that said no one (at least I) doesn't buy a bike by the quality of the customer service rather than the emotion it causes in you. Stay safe

@matthewcoldicutt5951 5 лет назад

Though everyone with an interest in Triumph history will have a view, certain arguments are incontestable and you set those out very well, Stuart, notably the lack of investment in machine tools at Meriden and other factories. And model development. What a shame the triple went underdeveloped, and came in just too late. The politics of the time didn't help, for sure, and the lock ins and other disputes dragged down quality. I grew up just up the road from Triumph / BSA development centre at Umberslade, Warwickshire, which had a reputation for not actually doing much to enhance the chance of the manufacturers' survival. However, speaking with people who understand the Bonneville, the oil in frame model is actually a good design, very strong, and if 6' plus, more comfortable, and the cylinder head an improvement on what went before. Brakes...hmm, not sure, but I have now bought an early production 71 model, far more affordable due to its mediocre reputation. And to join it there is now a T100, 2011. Both good value , lovely bikes in their way. You're right tho, Triumph will be wrong to assume that there will naturally be a stream of buyers ( many of them re born bikers like me too) for their bikes. They must be innovative, but continue to incorporate past Triumph strengths.

@MrEddieo1 3 года назад

General Motors cars in general are all on the same platform. Cadillac, Chevy, Buick. Demand and customer should tell manufacturers what to make not the other way around. Where did you find a Irish pub in English countryside? Was that you playing?

@dave7577 5 лет назад

Owning a Bonneville is better than you could possibly dream. It can be improved suspension being the Elephant in the room and some loud pipes. They aren't slow or under powered (I've got an air cooled SE 865) and that's the only criticisms that hurt the name. Get one you won't be disappointed. Your friends will envy you and your wife will think you love it more than her. Quite simply the worlds greatest motorcycle experience.

@Free_Ranger_CT110 4 года назад

Once the factory moves to Thailand as rumoured, I believe the marque will sadly lose appeal & become irrelevant

@ronaldthomas9396 Год назад

I would never by a triumph! I love my sportster Roadster and BMW R1200R! DON'T need the headache of a triumph!

@dougjohnston8280 3 года назад

This Bonneville discussion reminds me of the Ford Mustang. The factory make many models to specialize the look and style. Harley Davidson has the lock add on design, either through the dealership factory custom parts or choosing the special model parts list ( which I have done ).

@michaelking4578 Год назад

I'm 6'4" and probably look like a guerilla riding my Bonneville T100 and that thought makes me smile. It's comfy nonetheless.

@nigesainsbury9156 5 лет назад

Yep, nail on the head. Never thought about it in those terms, but you are spot on. I hope history doesn't repeat itself. If Triumph is in touch with the market, we might even see an electric version of one of the models in the next few years!

@steeplejock 4 года назад

Answer: Wouldn't buy a Liquid cooled Bonneville, because air/oil cooling is far better, with nothing to go wrong and makes the bike lighter. Plus, the 360 degree crank had a nicer feel and sound.

@colt2206 Год назад

Yes from all the issues I have heard about Triumph lately I definitely would not consider buying one. I I very interested in the Royal Enfield though

@scottygdaman 5 лет назад

Might be fun to give friend's bike's reviews Comparing to the Bonnie? Price quality cust.svc. handling.. switch bikes take a ride enjoy an adult beverage have a chat about the riding experience. Idea's are like .. everyone has one. Ride safe.

@EpicTyme 3 года назад

Was seriously considering buying a Bonneville bike, think I'll give the brand a miss now. I've found with looking around that not only yourself but many others are not so impressed with bonnevilles or triumph for that matter.

@sqd8r 5 лет назад

Great pts. TBF Harley has done this platform sharing during the 90s and 00s perhaps to their detriment never mind BMW with the GS and R9Ts and Ducati with the monsters and scramblers.

@angiefav1847 3 года назад

Stuart people say lam to small for my bikes but your right it's what makes u happy, l to fear triumph is heading the wrong way down hill they should be concentrating on fixing issues cheers

@scottygdaman 5 лет назад

Might be interesting to see a factory model that's extremely basic just frame engine running gear as "naked" as possible allowing the buyer to finish it as they see fit instead of replacing parts you've paid for.. twice .

@marklloyd4153 5 лет назад

I love what u said . To many people care what other people think. I don’t .i hope Triumph goes in the right direction .

@AmenMoto 5 лет назад

A truth pill from Stuart.

@sanclewphotographic 5 лет назад

Stuart, I think you are 100 percent correct in what you describe, I echo " London John " sentiment, I love my Triumph 2018 800 Xrx, with every extra on it apart from Satnav, its such a lovely bike compared to the original incarnation, yes you are correct about Bmw there rationalisation of there model range has been successful, but still has not done anything about there high pricing, a concern I have about Triumph as well, your bike looks beautiful in the videos, regards.

@morrisminor56 3 года назад

Just watched this after watching your Triumph gearbox vid. Triumph are in trouble.

@particleinthewave8378 4 года назад

Harley has done much the same...tons of minor cosmetic changes that then are dubbed a unique model. Adding some bags and a windshield seems to be all it takes

@johnDukemaster 5 лет назад

Well thought and well spoken and I think you have a good point here. :-)

@JohnG11000 2 года назад

I've been told i look like a pea on a drum with some of the bikes i've owned over the years,and fook is not given.

@mickmouse3513 5 лет назад

The new 1200 speed twin is one of the best looking bikes i have ever seen.

@stewartmaxwell550 5 лет назад

Stuart, you have a knack of hitting the nail firmly on the head. Agree completely. I was tempted with the 1200 lc version but I've stuck with the air cooled 865 and enjoyed personalizing it. I've also sold my 1200gs lc and ended up with a 2012 dohc R1200R. All for the reasons you express. Great old footage btw. Or have you recently revisited Wensleydale?

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

No this was from year before last, Stewart, thought it would be better than just putting a slide show of Bonneville Pictures up!

@alexpryce555 3 года назад

I think they missed a trick with not making a water cooled 360 crank..

@gwynnromano5881 5 лет назад

Forgive me but I have to add another comment here. I did a ride this past Saturday for a charity fund raiser. To the event and back was just over 200 miles and on the way home I began thinking about my bike and some of the thoughts you stated in your Vlog and it occurred to me that Triumph appears to be playing follow the leader, BMW. BMW has the R9 series and Triumph has various iterations of the Bonneville. BMW is big into adventure bikes so Triumph wants some of that market too and creates a series of ADV bikes to try and grab a piece of that pie. I understand that Triumph is not in a position to challenge the Japanese or Harley. Marketing today is a tricky business. Tastes and styles change more rapidly than ever it seems but when I was a young man Triumph set the pace. Now it seems as though Triumph is just waiting to see what the next big thing will be and then hop on that train.

@stuartfillingham 5 лет назад

Very relevant Points Gwynn!

@fasthracing 3 года назад

Don't buy any of them. The gearbox's are made out of cheese.

@davidforsdike4343 5 лет назад

Adds a bit of variety and keeps the price down. Still plenty of different types of bike in triumph range.

@stuartfillingham7011 5 лет назад

Please explain that David youve lost me. They are built in Asia from Asian made parts but are 10 to 20% more expensive than similar sized Japanese bikes. How is it keeping the price down?

@cliffdowning2946 5 лет назад

Good job, Stuart. You summed it up well. Went into my local Triumph dealer last weekend and I had the same feeling. They need to trim back and focus on quality.