The New "Made in China" 

New vid is great❤

0:46 isn't that info already outdated? I heard that they lost the status to Tesla again a couple of days ago

Can you consider doing a video on the economy of Japan? I find their monetary policy interesting but I don't really understand why they do it Since they're facing similar problems to China, but trying to boost consumption through negative rates and stimulus to do it the last few decades. It would make a good complement to this video

질린다 질려..이제 붕괴가 아니라 침체로 바꼈냐? 침체도 안하면 또 뭘로바꾸게?현상유지?

you talk about this, but so many chineese live in squalor. Lack of infrastructure like plumbing and even fake fire hydrants.

😂😂😂 gotta slurp those moolah

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Tbf 3 weeks between 30-45 minute uploads isn't bad.

​@@highbread817 for this type of content, yeah, and the video is totally edited

@@highbread817definitely, I trust he does his proper research

its just pure captalism, housing is a marcked that is need but we doens´t necessarily need to survive like food, you will live a very shit life without a hose, but you may not die. It basicaly allow to hight speculation prices due the interests of the macket. A lot of contrys are just like this, just look the price of the squere meter on france, portugal, USA and Brazi, the brazil one counts more for the states captals that are usually bigger citys, (im brasilian)

not an accident

It's because everytime it collapse the economy the people who made the stupid decisions get bailed out, so from their perspective, it's risk free profit,

Georgism is an idea we should implement

Land is a finite resource, so in normal economic conditions (country where population or wealth are growing), land value can only go up. So it is a pretty good investment vehicle.

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It's its special charm because most geography channels use country balls or just plain flags

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@@arthurvanrodds2772 tired of countryballs tbh, the animals are very original and cool

The US's national animal is a bull?

Couldn’t have said it any better myself, dazy Patrick

That economic miracle are foreign companies investing in china. The same companies which are now not investing anymore. China did not elevate anybody out of poverty. They just made it illegal to talk about it. The recent deceased prime minister even publicly aknowled the extreme poor earnings of the avarage chinese, which made him a big enemy of the CCP.

I assume you mean out of poverty in general terms, as poverty is still a major social issue in China today.

Why would a socialist country care about developing "consumer habits"

Their objectives are different. Unlike the west they think speculation and property only leads to wealth inequality. That is why they have pricked asset price bubbles. They favour manufacturing over financial engineering. As for homegrown companies, they have proven very nimble. Huawei just made record profits and their EV's are starting to appear everywhere. That copycat thing was said of Japanese companies in the seventies that they will not amount to anything. China's reputation isn't that bad, not perfect but better than the US in many parts of the developing world because they are consistent and not preachy.

That's smart

China, and Japan, really know how to not waste anything. Maybe we should all be negotiating de-escalation

only the chinese goverment is spending like crazy and there depth is increasing fast.

@@briondalion3696De-escalation? Are you scared of China?

@@CMitchell808 why aren't you

-200000 to -400000

-200000 to -800000

-800000 to -1600000

The social credit is more like a credit score than what all those memes make it out to be

Nobody is buying it, china shill

its because he already did that 💀💀💀

​@@thetinyfishygaming5720he isn't Gordon Cheng 😭

wdym, clearly from all those videos its clear china will collapse in 30 minutes

China is already on the downfall, if they can’t get young workers to the country it will literally fail.

Yea we been told it will coll'apse for like the last 30 plus years it's just bs

And with high poverty rates and unemployment rates ( even for Chinas standards) I doubt that China will survive

they numbers are often "massaged" as well

Can't have a functional and mature financial system without a strong rule of law, strong rule of law stops corruption, and corruption erodes rule of law. Tough gig

We're talking about the US right?

Who ?

don't forget to include the fact that the sinicisation project under xi includes the ethnic and cultural genocide of all chinese minoritiies

If you’re using this video to do college assignments you ain’t too bright son 💀

@@Amoore-vv9wx what? Im getting a general idea of new topics on top of what I already know. Plus he links all of his sources in the description I think it’s a good source of information

a lot of this is too rosy a look on china.

@@VirisNS well it’s one perspective yeah I’ve been researching the country all semester

Exploding batteries…

@@mq5731 🤫🤫🤫

American here, Id rather die in a battery fire than shift with a touchscreen like in a Tesla.

@@noahhultgren1710 Bruh, just don’t buy an EV; just get a Toyota Prius Hybrid. They have a longer range than an EV, better build quality and batteries that don’t explode on a regular basis, and don’t have stupid touch screens for important functions. Funny thing is, unlike BYD and Tesla, Toyota knows how to make half decent cars. Toyotas tend to last longer and have better part availibility. You dont have to worry about Toyota saying you dont have the right to repair your own vehicle. Sure when it comes to price, a Prius or a Hybrid Corolla is twice the price of a BYD Seagull, but you won’t have to deal with made in China B.S. What’s the point of paying 10k for a BYD car that dies less than 100 miles off the lot(True story btw, SerpenZA has a whole video covering the issues with BYD)

I'd rather have a chinese electrocar rather than give a cent to Elon

the problem is less workers to pay for older people retiring, meaning higher taxes, worse pensions, or a higher retirement age.

@@java_siege_ assuming 20 years later due to advancement in automation we have productive force that can produce same amount of if not more goods with far less worker but cannot distribute it to elder people because there are less people to pay for it, I consider it more a failling of distribution system, social economical or otherwise. at certain point, I think we need to just accept that the system as it is based on assumption that there will always be more work needed to be done than that is avaliable will be simply unsustainable as it will be immaterial. For past decades china had been ramping up production more and more, but ironically our demand had been shrinking in past years. we are already producing more than we can consume yet we cant even afford lots of things we produce, to the degree that china has to keep finding oversea buyers to buy those massive amount of surplus goods just so our workers can afford basic needs. we are making all the washing machines and air conditioners to the entire world yet still 1/3 of chinese households cannot afford washing machines or air conditioners.The system stopped making sense to me at the point.

@@java_siege_ There are no retirement benefits in China the last time I heard… I think the retirees would have to perhaps fend for themselves.

@1mol831 In China a few decades ago, if you were born in a city or into an official family, you could easily get a good job and receive a high pension after retirement. However, if you were born in a rural area , or civilian families, it is difficult to get a decent job, and the pension after retirement is pitiful. The gap between rich and poor among the elderly is quite huge, and it all depends more on your origins than your efforts.

@@1mol831 thats not true. china uses both the monthly allowance type of retirement benefit that is government distributed universial allowance, and the saving account type as part of 五险一金 program. My parents are receiving it. the later depends on how much one contributed in their life time. the prior depends on the job and location and theres a minimal national standard which is very low about 300 yuan/month which is not liveable. but in rich cities like beijing and shanghai the municipal minimal standard is high enough to support bare minimal living. but there are other benefits, like public transport is usually free for elders, and community centers usually have free or heavily subsidized or supported by donation cafeterias for elder that is very cheap (like 5 yuan less than 1 dollar buffet). the biggest expense is always medical. I would say at current standard if one is not sick survival in china for elder is usually not a problem. but because our free health care was terminated by deng in 90s, and we have a fully market oriented healthcare at this point, illness can strike a severe blow to financial situation. the public hospitals are very reasonably priced but they are always understaffed because more and more doctors are drawn to private hospitals that are willing to pay more wage. but they are expensive, 10x more expensive than public hospitals.

He had Mexico as an Axolotl

Still just me for now

Your skill level is on a new level

@@h0serYeah it has improved a lot, keep working hard 👍

Its not incredible animation, its barely an animation. Not saying its bad, its his own style.

His real skill is genius level sound effects, friggen amazing, perfectly matched and perfect levels of humor without being annoying. Love it!

in which industrial field does it germany? I thought that having high salary workers to pay, and regulations which actually have to be followed was very inconvenient for that matter. Why not simply relocate your business to a poor country which takes bribes and you have acess to slave-wage workers with no civil rights? Would sound like a no brainer to me.

@@4zir856 I can’t pinpoint a specific field, it’s just how the basic numbers work out. If a country exports more than it imports, it means its workers in aggregate have a smaller income than the value of the things they produce. Otherwise they’d ultimately spend it on imports - the money that comes into the country from a trade surplus doesn’t just disappear. That Germany’s workers sit at the top of the value chain in Europe doesn’t mean their wages aren’t repressed. It’s precisely because they sit on top of the value chain that this work didn’t get outsourced; low value-added work is commoditized and that is what makes it easy to outsource. E.g., you have Volkswagen which makes cars. Let’s split this process into two parts: design and manufacture. To design a car platform, you need a relatively small amount of highly skilled workers perfecting the so-called platform. VW can and wants these workers to be based in Germany because this work needs education and a lot of experience. But it doesn’t matter that you have to pay say a hundred of these guys €200k a year each for five years (€100m total) because the outcome of their work is a car design they make use of in every car they sell, and VW sells ten million cars a year. Over said five years the cost of this design team makes up like 2€ out of every car sold (for tens of thousands of euros) in our example. Conversely, because these guys solve the problem of “how to make a reliable car”, you can then have lower-paid workers in Europe’s periphery handle manufacturing because they mostly follow the instructions and man the assembly lines created in Germany. But to get back on point, none of this means that the German workers receive the full value of their work as income. German policy and attitudes favour savings and (private) investment, it’s how they got here, but at some point it’s turning towards their detriment. You save money to spend it on consumption later, and you invest money to make the things you want to consume later more abundant; if you do either without the matching deferred consumption, you’re just making a fake number go up.

@@4zir856 And you can’t relocate this design work because “car designed by Germans and made to german designs” carries a lot more weight than “car designed and made in Turkey that VW slapped a sticker on” A lot of American companies tried doing the second thing - the ideal US corporation is one that doesn’t make anything because then you don’t have to pay anyone to do so, you just outsource everything and license your brand to suppliers. If you want to know how that’s going, you may have heard about Boeing in the news lately.

@@DavidVallnerGM did it for years and they didn’t have any issues, they were able to continue wage suppression by closing North American plants which required higher wages and higher safety standards

reclaim Vladisvostok? what for if china will owned russia!

When Russia has a Warlord Era of Course

Them trying to claim Siberia would honestly be hilarious....poor Mongolia though.

@@baronvonjo1929 hilarious until reality hits hard.

The most probable case is when Russia collapses into Anarchy. Or US return to its isolationist tradition. But since now the China is supporting Russia to prevents its collapse. So i think this would happen when US return to isolationist. Then China and Russia wont have the reason to cooperate since this cooperation exists only because of US.

Source? Not like Tesla has zero issues

The same could be said to tesla. It is still a relatively new technology. Of course things dont go well in the beginning

So prices go down over time allowing people to buy them?

SerpentZA meat rider spotted

Lmao I guess someone that spend time setting this RU-vid DP to this is coping throughout the video where hoser is not mentioning "China bad" for 40 minute.

move to norway like other pakistanis :D

not very cash money of them indeed

​@@ButtMash1Just Norway? I used to live in Barcelona and most of the taxi drivers and grocery sellers are Pakistani. The typical small grocery shops around the corner are now known as "Paki" shops by the locals. Regular conversations go like: "Oh shit I don't have beer left at home!" "No problem, the Paki next door is still open" And I heard it's the same in many Western European big cities. Pakistan's biggest export is raw people lol.

​@ButtMash1 never heard of Pakistanis immigrating to Norway.They usually go to gulf countries & anglo-saxon countries.

Damn I posted a long comment explaining how there is also lots of Pakistani imigrants in Spain but YT deleted it for some bs reason.

with that out of the way, are you aware of food grade glycine supplements that boost your body's protein production by a whopping 65%?!

Lol wut

What is that used for?

😂😂 goated reference

Easily the best in class

Trump likes to do this the most.

American foreign policy since 1950s :

It worked for America

@@doyouguysnothavephones8967 America cool and the whoever you're referring to cringe

In what ways though, they don’t look threatening.

Singaporean's don't care

@@haruyanto8085 yes we do because we go into china and steal the students doing the tests

You mean like, learning from other countries successes and failures?

@@woodykrska9947 Yeah and learning from how the Soviets collapsed and tightened their grip on every Chinese, making the country a totalitarian nightmare. Sure, you are not wrong, but not the way you intended.

I don't really mind that but their government isn't great. The reason I live in a rich country is because we took British tech after they industrialized. Brought like a gazillion people out of poverty.

Only this one is Chinese propaganda crap

Debt crisis on china with The youth

I think it's similar to what other Gen Z's in places say like South Korea and Turkey do. Because traditional goals of things like buying a house is less attainable now, a lot of young people, including those I know, just spend most their money to consume entertainment or luxurious products instead.

What is a gulf national? If you mean countries like Qatar and Bahrain, there's no way an average Chinese can buy more.

Gulf is too broad. Saudi, dubai and Qatar Gen z is definitely more of a spender

There are lots of videos about blackrock

@@davidwestwater2219 Maybe if you go searching for it. I've never been recommended anything remotely close to it.

BlackRock isn't the Illuminati

@@davidwestwater2219 About Black Rock Shooter the anime, not about Blackrock the actual corporation behind the US

Talking about Blackrock isn't a big deal, they only manage investments of others, that's it, no big secret society, that's only youtubers conspiracy bubbles

The boss liked your comment, but you only have one like. Wth.

How'd you do that?

weird, for me it says this came out 35 seconds ago but your comment is 3 hours old?

​@@ToastLord42They're a member, they get early access

@@ToastLord42 😉

@@ToastLord42 they got early access because they're a channel member

First is a bold word, we must pretend like in 1984, that the other place is a controlled dystopia, not ours.

We certainly won't be the first one to have that. The median salary in Shenzhen city is 5199 rmb per month in 2022， Today 2024.04.14 the potato is 2.99 rmb/kg Cabbage 3.79 rmb/kg Onion 1.99 rmb/500g Corn 3.89 rmb/1100g Broccoli 3.49 rmb/500g Rice 27.99 rmb/5kg Flesh made noodle 5.9 rmb/1kg Durian flavor pizza 6 rmb/130g Toufu 2.59rmb/400g Orange 30 rmb/4.5 kg Pork 8.9 rmb/500g Chicken chest 6.9 rmb/500g Egg 5 rmb/ 10 We are the biggest producers of many foods And what's more our friendly neighbour--Russia is one of the biggest food exporters in the world. Sure we import a lot of corn and other crops from outside especially the US but they are for growing meat, If we just eat simple and cheap meats such as chicken and eggs, then we don't even need to import crops and be self-suffient

@@arbs3ry "And what's more our friendly neighbor" Russia that country has shooting matches with over the boarder dispute? Saying you're friends is dishonest, you merely share a perceived enemy so you act nice. If China was capable of self sufficiency they wouldn't have been stock piling grains for a decade now.

@@arbs3ry FLESH MADE NOODLE

Chinese man eat luxury fish and meat, Russian man eat caviar on blin, western man eat soy and syrup.

No, it’s because Chinese are smart enough to not fall into consumerism

What Alex said. 👍

@@KK-bi1ou If China's people had as much money as consumers in first-world countries they would also consume just as much. Chinese people in the Republic of China as it happens consume just as much as those in, say, Japan or Korea, or areas of Europe with comparable median incomes, and they are no less Chinese than mainlanders nor any less intelligent. The median income in mainland China however remains below the world's average, and given the sky-high cost of living and especially of raising children, Chinese people are forced to consume less because they have less to spend and more expenses to balance their consumption with.

​@@alexv3357 Your original comment isnt true though singapore for example is an authoritarian country by all things considered yet it has a very strong middle class. Your analysis leaves out many many other reasons and components like culture , history etc.

@@u2beuser714 Singapore is a special case in a lot of ways, basically the only example of a country like itself. Its ruling party is critically much less authoritarian than the CCP of China, and highly responsive to public opinion in ways that the CCP just isn't. China was poor under empire, warlords, and Mao. It managed to grow from a peasant backwater because the Party took its hands off much of the economy under Deng and allowed foreign investment and autonomy for private actors, and it is failing to grow now because it has reached the limit of how much wealth the CCP can tolerate sharing with the private sector. The crackdown on Jack Ma and his businesses are emblematic of this process: a company that would have been the pride and joy of any reasonable country was squashed for daring to not be totally subservient to the Party.

Well at least you can export electric devices when your own people don’t buy it, you can’t export an house

its the benefit of replacing oil imports with the new infra based on electric, and reduced reliance and hedging the oil price volatility on manufacturing inputs, the new jobs on the R&D front on all the eletric replacement parts and techs, those aren't bubble as it creeate real return rather than fiat return.

So you rather see your hard earned money plowed to paper assets like stocks & bitcoin and called them growth like what US is happening? Now that's the mirage and how fake US economy I say. Lol.

I'm immediately reminded of their EV grave yards. Plus, this all implies that Chinese youth want to buy these products. With cars being notoriously expensive, they would have to make a choice between that and child rearing. And considering the population decline that's putting them between a rock and a hard place.

@@grimgrahamch.4157 the so called EV grave yard is another photographic/propaganda master piece lol. You dont need to look to the future, China is already the biggest auto market by far, and EV is now more than 50% of total auto sales in China in March. Population decline is a gradual process over next 50-100 year, it won't have a visible effect on economy for atleast 3 more decades. If China is between a rock and a hard place right now, then I can argue China has ALWAYS been between a rock and hard place, and despite that China has done very well compare to all other nations on earth

Bruh lives in China.

What about stable cryptos, like those based on US currency? Come to think of it, old people probably dont bother with crypto.

@@winzyl9546 probably because it’s a scam like 90% of the time

@@winzyl9546 china is not very friendly with crypto, so there are probably loopholes the citizens must go through (turning 99% of people away)

​@winzyl9546 on top of that i wonder how much the ccp actually allows the citizens to buy cryptos online. The majority of foreign website and apps arent allowed passed their "great firewall" or whatever it is.

Based

who's ji

Fair If i buy a 30 dollar phone i get a 30 dollar phone If i buy a 300 dollar phone i get a 300 dollar phone If i buy a 1000 dollar phone i get a 1000 dollar phone

@@nikolaideianov5092and since most people in the world can only afford the 30 dollar phone, that company making 30 dollar phones will be worth more than the company selling 1000 dollar phones in the long term term, and soon start a 1000 dollar model itself and slowly push the 1000 dollar phone out of the market

@@nikolaideianov5092There is virtually no diff between a 300 dollar phone and a 1000 phone, except the "Apple" label. Some folks think paying for the label is worth an extra $700. Those were the early adopters of EVs paying 80K for a Tesla with lots of extras. For the other 95% of americans they want something affordable.

@@nikolaideianov5092 You do get a 1000 dollar phone. But the issue is, 1000 phone isn't 10x better than a 100 dollar phone. Is a 75k Tesla 5X better than a 15k BYD? It only be 1X better, or even less.

@@henli-rw5dw yes a 1000 dollar phone is 10x better then a 100 dollar phone Have you seen 100 dollar phones ? Just like with the tesla vs byd 15k byd is probably their cheapest module The 75k tesla has multiple times the range ,speed and the time to get that speed is lower

Let’s have the 7th Revolution, which is the reactionaries taking back the power

The 7th will be interstellar travel?

I love how he's showing Serpentza/Laowhy footage on one hand and talking about BYD's "mastery" of battery-making in the other; it's very ironic when the former has blatantly shown videos after videos of these BYD cars spontaneously exploding.

And There's also no birds in China. 😂

Serpentza and Laowhy are opportunists who try to earn views by smearing china with fake news, not a good source of information about china

Noticed that too haha

@@Go4Broke247 wtf?! there's alot of birds in China.

It remains to be seen. All this hinges on people buying Chinese EVs and governments being onboard with the insanity of Chinese solar panels being good for the environment.

All countries are experiencing a 'shift' right now 👁️‍🗨️😂 Best time for world Duels to boost Economy

because China is rich that mean the government is rich instead of the common people in China. unlike the government in west, Chinese government don't spend enough money for the basic public welfare and social security, so people are fear of the uncertainty of the future, and they need to save most of their income for the education, medical, housing and the life when they get old. but on the contrary, these basic social securities have been provided universally by the government in the west, so their people can just spend all of their income on consumption every month without any worry for the life in the next month or further future.

@@pipiqiqi4010 I understand that. However, I think Chinese people here in the States are more conservative with their cash because of their culture, and it's not just them, but a lot of Asians in general are usually good with managing their finances and it's harder to get them to buy your products.

@@WildsDreams45 the second generation of the wealthy Chinese is not that so conservative, many of them are the consumers of the luxury cars and houses in the west. if you are familiar with some newcomers from China mainland after 2010, you will find they are absolutely not conservative with cash at all.

@@pipiqiqi4010 Interesting. I never knew about that.

@@WildsDreams45 that also depends. Usually people like that are rich second generations or third generations, or people who grown in a more maericanized community. Asian often gathers together and lived in a community and so many of them influenced each other a lot. In southeast Asia a lot of the Chinese are just like you mentioned. stingy as fuck and loves to save every penny. But tat the same time the younger generations is a mix, some are somewhat saving a lot but some spends a lot as they often got swept up by trends too.

Look, I don't know if this is going to be the one that gets me caught, but yeah, we don't like that third term

A monkey can only swing for so long above the lions.

​@@winstonzhou4595huh ?

this is neo libbed up af lol

lol...yea... i also thought Hoser its a decent guy but i see he is a bit biased.... he should travel a bit to CN

I live in Indonesia, in just 5 years china had basically secured this country of 270 million as a solid consumer base. I’d imagine they are doing the same in other developing countries with their belt and road initiative, especially in places where us influence are weak or waning like africa. I’ve rarely seen american products if any in the last decade by comparison. China has potentially secured 1 billion plus consumer base outside its own population. What does the us have with its dying industry? Sure US will probably continue to lead cutting edge tech in the near future but china is catching up fast. Hell even cutting edge semiconductors are produced at scale at TAIWAN. Western countries are keeping the numbers up by importing large volumes of problematic migrants to keep their service sector and dying industry competitive. Unless the US decide to adopt radical protectionist measures and jumpstart their own industry, these west in decline trend will only continue.

Thats not actually true the Total US debt is about 700% of GDP in China it is still much lowet

​@@henningrenz6560chinas dept to gdp was 287% in 2023 The us is 122% in 2023

China is living on debt now. People who properly investigate China's financial status are not painting a rosy picture at all.

@@CyAn-S i responded to the guy lieing about the us dept to gdp ratio but it got deleted Chinas dept to gdp is over 200% The us is around 100%

lol

Me too

这就说明你被这种网络新闻影响太严重了，也说明某些人想要把中国以这种形象灌输给你的目的成功了，一个拥有五千年历史而且有十多亿人口的国家，文化军事经济思想以及历史上发生的奇闻异事真的太多太有趣了。诗人哲学家思想家军事家将军皇帝艺术家的故事有太多太多了，你首先想到的竟然是小熊维尼。。。

/Whoosh

@@groeningmingrone2868 你以这种方式回答他，那就说明他已经达到目的了

Also, I'm not really sure that there exists an super large private company that is controlled by “young people with creativity and technical skills”.

@@miachaos4680 DJI

thats how they 'sold' so many. No one wants these death traps.

What people omit in comments like yours is that in terms of EXPORTS china is still in the top 3 it almost overtook japan many people buying byd cars in brazil for example and many south american countries. So "cars rotting in a field" doesnt really say much here other than domestic consumption of them is low

Low domestic consumption, like he said in the video.

The 1st gen EVs weren't very good. They use the same batteries in early model Teslas Lithium NMC. These were bought by UBER type drivers. After 2-3 years the batteries can't be recharged. And are so expensive it's easier to just junk the cars. The newer cars have batteries that can be use for 1 milloin miles instead of 100,000 miles. The NMC batteries are still being made and sold in Tesla cars. Although Tesla is importing Chinese tech to build LFP batteries. But won't be mass producing them till 2025.

I love how westerners are coping to the rise of china, keep coping.

I'm not sure you can really call those cars. More of an Easy Bake oven

I mean Google's Waymo was an attempt at this but Xiaomi did it better for sure

​@@RT-qd8yl I thought BYD specialized in ovens

@@educacionespecialchannel3756but waymo wasn’t sold to the public You couldn’t go out and buy a waymo car

Crazy how people are still coping that China can't make quality goods when literally 90% of quality goods are chinese manufactured

It’s funny because before Industrial Revolution “made in china” were extremely expensive and high quality sought by the nobles of the west

That what i was thinking

China produces many quality products for international brands, such as Apple, Nike, Samsung, and more.

Because you consume too much US propaganda

​@@educacionespecialchannel3756 Its the Chinese Brands you gotta Worry about. Even if they are now just as good in Quality with Western Brands their Stereotype Past will Haunt still them for Decades

This is how the world works. some just do it worse than others :)

Its one sided usa beef, the usa had beef with japan in the 80s too look up plaza accords

@@NeostormXLMAX"1 sided usa beef" yeah totally not because china is trying to bully southeast asia into letting them say a sea is theirs on a map

​@NeostormXLMAX when did we have beef with japan in the 80s lol. If anything, we were anticipating they'd become a superpower of a sort and weren't even really worried.

@@manipulatortrash The US engaged in heavy economic protectionism against Japan in the 1980s. Hard caps on auto imports, substantial tariffs on pretty much all industrial goods they viewed as a threat to American industrial capacity. It’s not indefensible depending on your one’s economic philosophy but this *was* Reagan era policy which makes it rather ironic.

@@binch6291 when people say the US had beef, there's an implication that there is some sort of politically and culturally juxtaposition between the two. I'm not even suggesting the US wasn't trying to suppress Japanese dominance over particular parts of their market and industry, it's more than just numbers and money. My point right now is that anyone trying to paint US-Japanese relations to that of modern US-Chinese relations heavily misunderstand the entire situation of the 80's. Japanese dominance wasn't feared nearly as much as the Chinese and many Japanese products then and now are still praised for its high quality. Japan's economic situation then is very different from that of China's right now. The very accords the person i responded to mentioned isn't even an instance of the US somehow having crippled Japan. It involved other nations and was done to maintain an economic order everyone involved wanted to ensure would continue on. The idea of American "beef" with Japan is just wrong. Friendly nations have participated in economic protectionism in plenty of sectors over history. I mean, do people really think US-Japanese relations have any real resemblance to that of modern day US-Chinese relations? Even on economic terms the only real similarity is that of "well trade happens and there is some sort of protectionism happening," which really isn't much against the larger backdrop of politics and the general populace's feelings as a whole.

WTF he changed it back! Ok the one before he changed it back was the title being something about electronics and the thumbnail being yellow sparks coming out