The New Persians! 

Make sure to check out my Georgians Overview: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-x0CEb4ERCkY.html And the Armenians overview: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8GGo2XnzPoM.html

That citadel tech looks pretty good, on top of everything else, I like what the devs are doing.

Always loved the Persians as a civ. Hopefully the changes help it become a stronger civ in the game.

I, personally, cannot wait for more rage forrest full elephant strats

I like the savar. My biggest nitpick with AOE is the fact that all units look the same for all civs (except unique ones of course). I wish they were at least visually different depending on the culture, and the savar is something close to my wish.

Awesome!!! Man I love the 2 new civs from the looks of them and now one of my old favourites, the Persians, are reworked and more unique again, fantastic!

Persians best pocket civ in team games now imo. Good eco. A unit thats beats Paladin and is better vs archers and better trade. Top pick in futur tournaments

I love these videos! So much information in a short amount of time, everything broken down nicely, additional clear information on the screen - and everything still presented in a very pleasant way. Great work 👍

Viper thanks for the effort you put into making these so quickly!

The visual breakdowns of the changes and comparison of Savar(Paladin) stats was so clean!

I thnk they should try to do more unique upgrade for normal unit for each civ, which add more uniqeness to it, for example knight templar to replace teuton paladin, maybe make them have more attack, and extra melee armor.

The two new civs look fun, but Persia is my personal highlight, really looking forward to them.

I hope we see more of these "secondary" unique units replacing classic units and being just slightly better than the original

I legit lol’d when you said “Make Elephants great again” - great video Vipy as always keep it up good sir

just the 5% work rate in dark age made them S-tier at DE's launch... so yeah, they're back already

I really like that they did not just give them another random bonus (sometimes to improve a civ, they just get something for free or more effective which does not fit into the whole picture of the civilisation), but some things that fit the civilisation or does not change their identity with the war elephants and cavalry.

We all expected this for a long time, let's wait the replacement for the Franks "Super paladin" into unique unit... And make guns great again!

Nice, will be fun to try out

Great vid Bipey!

Mahouts like Berserkergang and original Royal Heirs is implemented in the Elite upgrade

Cool Video Viper!!!

Would it make sense if there was a monk tech that requires the enemy to use 2 monks to convert a unit? Or more specifically convert an elephant (and possibly siege)?

The Persians not getting Parthian tactics really rubbed me the wrong way previously so I think this is a very good fix considering the Parthians as a civilisation were Persian.

I think they should give the CA plus one range in imp but not attack and still no bracer just so only having 6 range in imp isn’t a problem as historically if I’m not mistaken they did use cavalry archers more than a lot of other civs

What are your thoughts on the dark age bonus being back? I thought the removal of it was a good thing but now they get it back with all these other changes? That's the only thing I'm questioning

They should definitely remove the new cavalry bonus These infinite gold bonuses aren't really good for balance + the civ already got way too much in the patch. They buffed their UU (which arguably is still bad in open maps), buffed their eco and cav archers and even gave them some fairly good technology for defense (on top of their TCs already being good defensively). I'm glad they're coming up with new mechanics for the game but they should honestly share them around better instead of dumping it all on the same civ

As a Persian fan since the 90es, I'm really happy that they finally got some love. What I like especially is that each of the changes seems to try and address one of the common weaknesses/criticisms with the Persians. - only having 2 civ bonuses -> now you have 5, 3.5 more than before - the faster TCs starting in Feudal being a clunky and temporary eco bonus at best -> the 5% faster TCs in Dark Age will give you essentially one more free villager, which can smoothly snowball into one of the best ecos in the game. On top of that, you get the cav generating gold as a long term eco bonus on top. It's not game breaking, but definitely helpful. In a standard game with 100-200 military deaths, that's 500-1000 more gold. Finally, you get the Caveranserai for team games. So the Persians now have essentially 4 eco bonuses on top of having all eco upgrades, all addressing different stages and aspects of the game, definitely pretty wild. - only having generic units in the middle stages of the game -> Parthian Tactics in Castle Ages gives you straight up one of the best cav archers at that stage. It's not cheap, but definitely also not impossible at that stage. It will still fall off in Imperial due to missing Bracer, but from late Castle to early Imp, it's definitely a strong option to help overcome that period. Savar being the endgame of knights also gives you a valid reason to go for them in the mid-game. - having functionally no Unique Unit in most cases -> The Savar not only looks badass but gives Persians a viable Peusdo Unique Unit outside the War Elephant. It's still locked behind a expensive Imp tech, but if you get there you get essentially a cheaper Paladin which does everything a generic Paladin does while also attacking slightly faster, taking 83 Arb shots instead of 60, having +5 Bonus damage against archers and generating gold when killing units. - War Elephants being completely unviable in most cases -> They will likely remain a niche unit, but still, between Mahouts and the cheaper Elite upgrade, you save 1250 resources, they now double as a Pseudo Siege Elephants with the +30 against buildings, move slightly faster and generate gold when killing units. And you have an even stronger eco behind it. Should make switching into them at least a bit more viable. - Having an mostly useless Imp UT (on top of a situational Castle UT) -> Citadelles now just gives you straight up one of the best castles in the game. This also addresses the Persians otherwise lackluster defenses Overall, all the changes add some much-needed flavor to the Persians while keeping their core aspects alive and I hope it will help them to finally have a place outside of Persian Douche and Michi Meme strategies again.

Wish they had gotten the central Asian architecture set.

i love age 2 the best age by far! great they keep making expansions instant buy

So hyped! I’ve been playing Persians lately as I was worried the overhaul would make them so different I’d miss out on playing with the OG Persians. Now it turns out they kept their cav identity, war eles and trashbows, and now they got more viable cav archers! I think it will most likely be nerfed soon after release as they may become too strong with all of this, but I’m hyped nonetheless.

Leaving the Indian elephant inaccuracy, I'm happy with their technology for castles and Savar's armour. In the old AoE2, Persians had "boiling oil" upgrade to destroy Rams very easily. This Citadel tech is a new version of that along with stronger castles, very neat! It is noteworthy the AoE2 Persians are still based on the Sasanian culture with religions like Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism (200-600 AD). Some people are confusing Citadel castle "bullets" to refer to hand cannoneers of post-Sasanian empires. These "bullets" are actually referring to fire brands and blazing projectiles used in and around the Indian subcontinent to disrupt enemy siege formations. Parthian and Sasanian empires employed these techniques, with older records even mentioning "thunderous fire from the heavens" when Macedonians-Greeks like Alexander attacked Indian frontiers. These techniques were indeed predecessors of modern gunpowder, maybe that's why the devs called them "bullets".

I'm starting to get really worried about power creep in AoE2.

question: do castles still ahve ballistics if they shoot bullets not arrows? Bullets are usally gunpowder associated and not effected by ballistics. But bombard towers get ballsitics too. So why castles shouldnt, right??? Nice vid. THX

I played a couple of days ago Bukhara, but there was no Savar available. So, I mainly lost the Paladin haha. Maybe I'm missing some upgrade or something.

Japanese civ change proposal: Devs should change Samurai to stable cavalry unit in place of knight-line & and add a *new unique infantry unit Ninja* (with heavy bonus damage against defensive buildings like castles) Reason: Samurai were really good at fighting on horseback and the knight-line seems wrong for them. Ninja unique unit can relate to their tradition of sneaking into fortifications and destroying them (maybe give them high pierce armour but low hp and low melee armour).

And the Architecture is being changed.

i do find it funny that we see the persians; who effectively were the Inventors of Cataphract armor (heavy armor), actually have it on a unit now.

They should lose +50f & +50w civ bonus in the start

I get and like that they change these things but persians were not horrible. Already great in Teamgames and on Nomad I.e. Now they thought how many buffs do persians need and the answer was: Yes!...?

I seriously expected that they were going to give battle elephants to the Persians and make the War elephant an unique upgrade for them (like imperial camels/skirms). I guess making them faster helps but still will be very niche and used only for late games in 3vs3/4vs4. Also i find funny they gave them back the 5% work rate at dark age, when i remember clearly that single bonus made the civ broken in all hybrid maps and everyone was bitching about the civ.

Persians should be one of the strongest civs to be honest.

I hope more civs will have some cool rework since Hindoustanis.

I'm coming back from the zone days. How does the multiplayer match making in DE compare to msn gaming zone? Can I find game rooms and chat inside the room and also chat outside the lobby? I'm thinking about the "social" aspect of it.

Wait, if the new armenian composite bowman has great matchup against chu ko nu and rattan archer, which are anti anti archer archers, that mean they are the anti anti anti archer archer archer?

So the town center working faster perk.... Does that effect vill production AND tech research times?

I am polishing my tusks in anticipation of the new Persians!

This sounds like a huge buff, are they going to be a top civ??

It Makes a lot of historical sense for the Persians to have Parthian tactics, given that the Persian Civ in game represents, amongst other civilisations, the Sassanid Persians, who made heavy use of Parthian Horse Archers, the Parthians themselves were an Iranic people, just like the Persians.

+5 gold sounds very OP

Persians huge Buff

i count literally 7 buffs lmao. persians did kinda need it tho

The question that really matters: Will condotierros do bonus damage against a castle with Citadels?

we need more normal line unique units like this, the savar alone is enough for me to pick up persians

persions look dope!!!

Un abrazo Viper :D excelente video, please si puedes date una vuelta por el aoe 4, que también esta por lanzar nuevas civilizaciones :)

How is the cavalry raid rate compared to Keshigs? I feel it attacks that unit's niche

Idea: Give them the regular elephants with +30 vs buildings, remove the knight line and put the mahut as uu from the castle? Would give them a much more unique feeling i think. Now they sound a little much like hindoustanis to me. Also I think the Byzantines should get the warrior monks and get a new team bonus (eg. share unique castle units,).

The biggest buff to persians about all this, is ofc to the douche, since it is still gonna be possible, but the enemy wont automatically assume a persian enemy will go for a duche, since they might actually be viable to play more normally, hence a duche is gonna be a bigger surprise :P

looks OP af !

persion castles going pew pew :O i hope we see this mechanic maybe on other civs too in the future... maybe turks with pew pew towers?

When is the new patch coming? Or has it already came?

Where I can find updated tech tree?

Persian Elephant spam will be super broken on some tgs

I love the changes to the Persians.

MEGA Make Elephants Great Again It's perfect

Do they receive Bracer now? Cheap archers and good cavalry archers are nice, but without bracer they're too weak vs other archers in imperial

3:22 I think there's a discrepancy between what's being said and the graphic on screen, otherwise great video.

Persians without parhian tactics make as much historical sense as Chinese without black printing... ou wait. :

The same should be done for the Teutons. They should replace the Paladins as the Savars do here but with Crusader Knights, with the immunity against monks and all.

Viper maybe the Shavar is the gate for the developers to introduce more unique units for civs, and stop the generic ones. What do you think? It will be more atractive that Japanese catn make Paladins for example, and be able to create their own paladin?? What do you think

So I tested out the new civs right off the bat there okay to play with but I think the fortified church’s are going to be a problem as they defensive power could be abused quite easily with more so offensive by going forward to the opponent and potentially drop forward towers and fortified churches which could easily snowball your opponent pritty quickly if not careful especially given their cheep cost to build and has the same HP to a standard TC does which costs both wood and stone to build which arguably should apply to the fortified churches as soon as the next patch comes out to nerf the cost to include stone cost as well as increasing the wood cost slightly to a total possible cost of 300W and 100S to build

I always thought Paladin was a strange unit for Persians simply because they had mounted units of their own. Savar is just perfect addition to the game.

Persians have the strongest per pop unit in the game

Når kommer disse endringene? Samtidig som de nye civene i enden av måneden?

Idea: remove elite skirmisher from Persians, but give them bracer? Would be unique aside from Turks, already have trashbows lategame, and would make their CA viable in imp.

So Persian is the new meta, good to know xD

Why always certain civs get good upgrades?

vipy giving us bedroom eyes

3:23 - Viper: 1,000 food and 600 gold Text: Upgrade from Cavalier: 1,000 food and 500 gold huh? 11

It looks like they had planned to split them based that unused Unique unit left in the editor was hoping one focused on cav and the other on gunpower. I'm sad they did not but at least their is a reason so use the CA now and the Savar looks amazing. They are all in on the Sassanids other than the Imperial UT and the gunpower. Lacking Central Asian architecture really sucks to on top of the new civs not getting their own

These changes all seem cool, but like too much powerwise. Like yes, they were below average, but giving them like 6 relevant buffs seems way too much. I really want to try to play them, they seem super cool, but also like the number one civ in the game, easily.

Parthian tactics will probably just be researched on the way to imp. The investment is quite high to slow your treb / bracer timing. Edit: wait no bracer 11.... dead end CA

Savar with new armor 4+4 will melt archer line and cav archers.....Imagine a group of 40 savar, can kill 100 plume archers/arbalest, even can deal with 60 mangudai 🥶

I'm glad they are keeping the civilisation mostly the same and just making adjustments, it's a classic civilisation that just needed a bit of rebalancing.

This guy should work for Tell Sell😅

I like your tender voice.

Does the Persian team bonus apply to the horse archers？

I'm still waiting for the Ghaznavids to be split out from the Persians.

Personally I always loved Persians. Can't wait to see the CA and the Savars in action

😢Just give the Persian cav archer one more tile range please

The upgrade to the Savar is a bit cheaper then that of the paladin. Would have liked it, if you had shown us said difference, like you did with the other stats. Otherwise great overview and edits. :)

They need to rework the Chinese into 3 civs depending on the dynasty with focus on different unit type. The current Chinese is so weak

I love this game

No no no, this segment belongs to spirit of the law, your segment is dominating pvp scenne with hera

To be honest I don’t see how the Parthian Tactics in Castle Age change anything for them. When I see CA in Castle Age, normally defensive upgrades are the last ones to be clicked. And not having Bracer still makes transitioning to Imp basically impossible.

Dont know about win Rates or anything, but didnt we see Persians succesfull in many tournis, especially on hybrid maps? Dont really get, why all the buffs

More elephants!

Which civ bonuses did they lose to get all these new ones ?

this seems pretty broken like how when they reworked indians into hindustanis and the buffs were too much. but im excited for the rework overall since persians were probably the main civ that needed it. maybe sicillians can get a rework next

Really glad they didn't break up a classic civ, that would have been blasphemous.