The Next-Gen Space Stations That Could Replace The ISS | Answers With Joe 

Hello Joe, i hope you have been doing well, i like your videos I have learned frm ur vids thank you

Thank you so much for this video i have been craving content on this topic. More would be cool!

Also theres info on the bigelow situation on his recent appearance on joe rogan

Why does the ISS need to fall back to Earth. The millions of dollars that it took to build has useful parts. Why can't it be salvaged?

@@michaelpearce8661 because its developing fractures and critical failures of irreplaceable components

had they just stuck to that, they could probably rival pixar XD it would make for some good videos bringing in more space interest

uhh.. i think your confusing BlueOrigin for blue sky studios.

Lol

@@ChuckFinly881 no the joke was that they do more animations then space

@@vimetherandom and filing cases too!

I think the list for peeps would be huge (regardless of vomiting but yeah I would too) I know I'd love to go...

Me Too!

me too probably..

What about antimotion sickness medication ? Or would that be dangerous during the liftoff?

then I'd get motion sickness when I get propelled by my vomit

The Indian space station one for those wondering

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I put a card in the video to point people to yours. Keep up the good work!

@@GareebScientist Per aspera ad astra. Godspeed, ISRO.

@@joescott thanks Joe🖖🏼

Unimaginable? Have you SEEN the price of the galaxy S21?

@@crooker2 I was being sarcastic ;)

@@QuantumBraced yes. I figured. :)

@@crooker2 I don't think you figured.

True.. my last flip phone was $40... ;)

The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.

@@chinanesewonton4561 Oh cool. I always called them telomeres. Thanks Mr Wonton.

@@chinanesewonton4561 but... why?

@@dannygjk Just eat your spinach.

very cool

recycling rules

so makes you wonder why the de-orbiting of the ISS - think russia is goin to reclaim the russian modules - pity rest can;t be put on a slow burn to mars -- or is that getting a bit "'Valérian et Laureline"

@@tonyug113 or to the moon

With the high cost of getting mass into space throwing it back down to earth makes little sense, using it as an In Situ Resource, to construct, whatever, with makes much more. Space junkyard/ repurposing will be the first industry in space. Imo

You don’t throw your house away after 30 years, I see no good reason to trash a $150B space station. Just keep adding onto it, use it for cheaper astronaut quarters, or a storage closet. It’s so easy to be wasteful with other people’s money.

Empty space is useless except for waste storage. What we really need to get up there is equipment. Modules that you can put together still makes the most sense to me.

Chinese spaceman with a NORINCO 12 gauge double....

The things that are more flexible are often time not co-incidentally more vulnerable to strong impacts.

Just don't get them near Seattle. You don't want to accidentally puncture them with the Space Needle.

As Joe pointed out, there has been nothing with a big enough fairing to launch them.

They just took a bit more R&D time, though it seems they are popular with the future space stations concepts like orbital reef

imagine the fallout from being 'bombarded' with advitrsments. Please buy or tungsten-iridium pellet will be delivered to your house.

@@tonyug113 *Buy or Die* :-) amazon's next advertisement paradigm

@@harriehausenman8623 ahh i can see that you have a great future in marketing (or the mafia - same thing)

Dominos pizza Be there in 5 minutes or less, meteorite hot!

@@beardhut2934 , you burnt it!

Plus, Bigelow know aliens...

I literally was just going to say that amazing! A lunar Starship and Biglow 330 would make a better station for sure!

Launching a lunar Starship type ship to earth orbit and use that and its tanks as a space station would be far cheaper than a Bigelow B330 launch on a Starship. In general bundling Starships together and also use their tanks makes for a really cheap and giant space station. The payload section of Starship has a volume of roughly 1000m³. The tanks offer an additional 1200m³ of habitat volume once the fuel is spend. That's 2,200m³ per launch. Lunar Starship as developed for NASA and the Artemis mission is designed like an ISS module in terms of crew protection, safety and longevity. So using it as a space station module in low earth orbit would be a cheap and fast option. Edit: spelling

@@3gunslingers The Biglow inflatable module would be attached to the Starship It's like a two module space station and would be inexpensive relatively.

@@Bobsry16 So the deflated module would be transported inside a volume intended to house astronauts later on? How do you get the module out of there? Or do you send it up on a different Starship? Also all modules Bigelow ever attached a price tag to are _wayy_ more expensive than building and launching two Starships. Even with the price uncertainty we have with Starship up to now. Look at it this way: What's the cheapest cubic meter in low earth orbit?

Starship could

@I am a ROKOT manson starship looks stupid..

That is what Starship will be.

Atari of spacecraft. I prefer the fewer button & switch approach.

@Винсент Rockets like Starship (hubris🙄🤦‍♂️) are great for transporting cargo and large section of equipment to orbit. To transport personnel, a spaceplane would still be preferable.

Skylab? Russian?

@@jonasthemovie Salyut probably.

@@KC-bu8qq Just realized he ment two different occasions.

I'm living in a realm of fantasy here so bear with me. If we had all nations unite upon the common goal of proliferating our space presence, we could be mining out the asteroid belts in my lifetime.

@Rusto Russia is doing all the engineering though. Chinese engineers couldn't innovate so if their lives depended on it. Their space agency is just China being like "Hey look at me. I am also a super power". They stand on the shoulder of other nations. I mean the long march 5 rocket is a straight copy of a Russian rocket.

Sadly, the opposite is happening. We're going from an international cooperative ISS to a collection of national space stations (one or more Chinese space stations, an Indian space station, a possible Russian space station, a separate space station for the US and its allies). If this trend continues, it looks like we'll eventually have satellites carrying nuclear weapons in orbit, as the Russians and Chinese seek to re-establish MAD thanks to the US ABM system making their earth-based arsenals ineffective.

Yhea China are already doing everything alone and it'll only get worse.

But why? Just for the fun? Why not spending all the time and energy in cleaning up our planet first before trashing space... I honestly don’t understand this longing for floating in space. Why can’t we just all chill together, making Musik, do some gardening :)

... In the video or in the comments ?

@@YounesLayachi why not both?

Screw Bezos!

Kykk That just made me shed a tear, too.

Source please? That sounds interesting. Couldn't find anything about it being the first time

@@megarman1 I'll be completely honest: my source is a comment made in a podcast (featuring the guys from Cracking the Cryptic). I had listened to it the day before watching Joe's video. A quick search only came up with a few articles mentioning youtuber was more popular than astronaut. When I heard it and when I posted my comment I didn't find it controversial enough to warrant a source check. Perhaps I should've (I've edited my post). "Source": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dp4r5e7VhD0.html

Whats funny is, would anymore really be suprised? Most people have no fucking clue what it takes to be a youtube star, nevermind kids. They idolize it like the be all, end all of careers when in most cases its grueling work for little payoff. Unless of course you get lucky and get the subs to mke it big. I dont think i need statistics to tell you how unlikely that is for most ppl. Its the state of society today that popularity matters so much. Well, the wealth and fame that comes with it. Its cuz for the 1st time theres an alternative to hollywood that regular people can take a crack at. The fact that most will crash and burn...well thats just reality for you.

I don't think Joe will accept that the two are mutually exclusive. In fact, if he were to learn that they were, we may have to put him on suicide watch...

Deuce Bigelow?

The real reason Bigelow went out of business is that they received a "Cease and desist" patent infringement letter from the Jiffy Pop people. 10:15 ;-)

bet NASA has already got their patents

they should've applied for a PPP loan smh

I'm sure Robert Bigelow will restart operations as soon as his hotel chain becomes profitable again.

All the more reason to hook two starships and bam a massive space station.

Having walked through a mock-up at the Air and Space museum in D.C., I can verify Skylab was much larger than I had thought... and then you see the V-1 engines from the Saturn V first stage and, well it’s hard to believe that they were chucking ginormous stuff at the stars

Unfortunately it was a casualty of the protracted development of the space shuttle. Nothing could be flown in time to boost it into a higher orbit.

@@runswithraptors no amount of pro tips could possible de-wanky-fy the english language at this point

@@runswithraptors Don't you got anything better to do?

@@matheussanthiago9685 true. English is a dumpster fire of a language.

@@falxonPSN you mean it has many dialects, like all languages.

@@matheussanthiago9685 the “wankification” you refer to is just different dialects that evolve from their ‘base languages.’ All languages have those and they’re based on region. It’s been happening since humans began communicating and it will keep happening until humans are no more.

That's a beautiful sentiment but have you read my comments section?

Flat Earthers: Hold my totally legit minutes of research.

I had my comment karate chopped by my phone....BUT, I had meant to include the cooperative efforts of multiple countries to fabricate viable and usefull quarters in orbit. Those kind of ends, of the off world variety seem to be one of the very few projects that allow people to work together. No water colored borders or petty complaints about our physical differences, just discovery and accomplishment. Failure has to be sprinkled in there too.

@@Anyuism Ahh, understood

bezos is a parasite using space to improve his public image

Certainly the most ambitious take, but sadly enough, they don't stand a real chance.

I'm not going anywhere. :)

@@joescott That's the hope.

That's crazy isn't it?

Comment 1 day ago🧐

@@wesleyheitz8359 patreon confirmed.

This guy is one step ahead.

Yeah why not just send two starships in orbit and have them dock to create a space station twice the size of the ISS, it would also be so much cheaper. With the cheap price per launch of a starship and with its payload size and volume you could also add several modules even bigger than the ones in the ISS. With all these factors you could create a huge space station dwarfing the ISS and probably for cheaper as well.

You mean it may fit it Starship ever gets a payload bay? Currently it has nothing inside but fuel tanks and no method of getting anything out of Starship if they do add a cargo bay.

@@torbenjensen189 exactly.

@hoiy vinosa Good to know, though I'll have to look up how to pronounce that

That's one girthy station.

Front flip spinning could be propelled by flatulence

and what about farts?

lol yes this would work.

i see you ask the real questions

Yes

google "Voyager Class Station" the gateway foundation is trying to make it real.

I thought that was the plan with Bigelow was going to make a rotating circle of their inflatable modules to give the guests a feel of low gravity ....

@@LittleJohnFish im talking about ring like stations. Like the ones from space odyssey.

@@theshimario253 I see... how about the "Gateway spaceport" again by the Gateway Foundation not to be confused with the "Gateway space station" by NASA. The "Gateway spaceport" is a real project with real development behind it albeit still many years and billions of dollars away.

@@joshhodge3166 The gateway foundation is a nice idea as it finally acknowledges Starship as a transport system and offers the public to engage in space travel and development. But the Voyager Class Station, although technically viable, will never happen for multiple reasons: 1. the structure requires a sun-synchronous orbit polar orbit. Nobody wants to pay to only fly over the terminator. 2. The station is planed in such a way that paying guest will never be able to experience zero g like on skylab. Nobody wants to pay to only life in partial gravity. 3. the whole station rotates 2-3 times a minute. Nobody wants to pay to see earth zipping by every 20-30 seconds and never be able to actually admire it like from the ISS. The station concept of the Gateway Foundation literally offers NOTHING that usually is associated with a stay on space. No fun in zero-g, no watching earth. So what kind of customer remains?

would be a nice one to see... Maybe they can outfit a Voyager Space Station with a few starships, and a few raptors to launch the entier rotating station to an orbit like the Tesla Elon Launched... -grin- You never know!

Not gonna lie that would be dope, but instead of Starships that would require a nuclear reactor and advanced Electric Propulsion to go anywhere beyond LEO.

@@jamesmclaughlin272 with orbital refueling and constructing the deep space station on LEO I kinda assumed it wouldn't be too challenging to reach the Earth-Mars trajectory even with a larger mass, but I didn't calculate/research the delta v's required. You could be right, but I would love to run the numbers and calculate how much additional weight Starship could reasonably haul to Mars.

Thats one thing I wanna model.

So true, luckily there are many candidates.

wat

I read this with no context and I wouldn't have it any other way

Is that one of those "crude" missions you hear about?

Great movie!

sounds great

Fair point. That's one pricy Uber ride.

Super surge prices lol

@@joescott Maybe Uber should invest in spacecraft so they can transport people to the stations

Uber xl in London isn’t far of that price

Are you talking about another human rated spacecraft? Because NASA is paying $55M per seat from SpaceX per a Nov 2019 NASA audit. Boeing is $90M per seat. From the bottom of page 4 in the audit. "Assuming four astronauts per flight and using publicly available information, the estimated average cost per seat is approximately $90 million for Boeing and approximately $55 million for SpaceX, potentially providing cost savings over current Soyuz prices" oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-20-005.pdf

This one actually got out a few days early. Doesn't always happen but it's good when it does. :)

Never Give up Dreaming my friend!!! It's almost here.. we just have to hang on long enough to take part!!!

Do this long enough and you see some interesting changes occur, for sure.

To be fair, Senator Glenn went up at an older age than you, so don't give up hope.

Sir you are not too old to survive that 😊

Yup! Well said Sir, well said.

I'm 60 years old, and I also feel "lied to." Where are the moon bases, flying cars, jet packs, seafloor domed cities, household servant robots, unlimited nuclear fusion energy, etc. that we were promised would be available by the year 2000 in the Weekly Reader magazine by the optimistic futurists when I was in elementary and middle school in the 1970's? On the other hand, thankfully, we also did not get the dystopian future of famine, drought, pestilence, unbreathable air, undrinkable water, lack of energy sources, nuclear Armageddon, etc. that we were also promised would happen by 2000 in the Weekly Reader magazine by the alarmist futurists of the 1970's.

@Dark Gaurdian-. It's to bad people don't realize they are still being lied to about all of this. Every time I see all this nonsense HYPE about where "we're going" and " when it's going to happen" it pisses me off to no end. All this talk about Moonbases and Interplanetary travel is just lies, BS, and HYPE so they can continue to Rob Tax Payer dollars to fund garbage. Talking about Interplanetary travel before we can even figure out the basics of surviving such travel Physiologically, is like trying to swim before you have use of your Limbs. But like everything else, suckers continue to fall for this Horsecrap.! There's very little actually private Spaceflight! Government Contracts and thus the tax payers pay for 99.5 percent of it. Money that could be spent much much better for the existing life on earth.

Just don't steal their moonstones. Their justice system leaves a bit to be desired...

They delivered to the outside of the moon base, but the delivery guy didn’t knock on the airlock, so no one inside knew the packages were left on the lunar soil outside...... Crater Pirates pilfered everything!!

In Australia they're called oztronauts. I belong to a class of skittish space travelers called maybenauts.

What would Japanese or Muslim astronauts be called?

Thanks! I was wondering, too. :)

@@therealspeedwagon1451 The Saudi prince who flew on a Space Shuttle was called an astronaut.

Yep! That style of hab is the future of making workspace in orbit and on the moon/Mars.. Little is more valuable than more storage and living/working space! :)

Elon said we might only have a short window to become multiplanetary ...

I doubt he forgot, it is more like Russia just announced that like many other projects but will not go through with it. Roscosmos is in shambles currently, and has been for a better part of the last decade. They tried some restructuring back in 2012-2014 but it failed, as the agency was placed under the command of Dmitry Rogozin - a corrupt kleptocrat if there ever was one - a journalist, fiercely loyal to Putin... and those are his only "credentials". Since he took over, Roscosmos has been plagued with delays, money disappearing, projects overshooting costs by several times. They do announce a project or two from time to time, but those are forgotten, fast. Angara is in development for 17 years now and from a few test flights, there is nothing. Also, the whole project makes no sense as Angara family has the same capabilities as Proton rockets. In an era of agencies going for bigger, reusable or small cheaper rocket designs, they are remaking the thing they already made. Their new cosmodrome Vostochny is years behind schedule... All in all, it's a mess. They announced a few years back that they will have their own manned lunar program. Then, a few months back, it was scrapped and they announced that they will still go to the Moon, but in co-op with China. And just you wait, a few years down the line, they will cancel the entire thing or push it further down the line. Russia in general is a hot mess currently, and their space industry is hurting a lot. Add to all that the fact that their only upper hand, taxiing people to ISS, has been taken away and you have a space agency with no real programs and no way to actually earn money outside its own market. Don't get me wrong, I love them, they were the pioneers... but they've gone to shits - and there is no chance that they will manage to put up another MIR type station (which is what they are planning) up there within 4 years. I hope that I am oh-so-very-wrong, but how the things were going lately, I think it's a safe bet. They screwed up big time - they had (and still have) Energia rocket schematics, a concept that flew a couple of times, and there was a plan on making it fully reusable even back in the USSR (Energia-2). It was a rocket that could have actually put a man on the Moon, among other things. But they just scrapped everything and are now even switching Proton for Angara, which is the rocket with the same capabilities... not reusable. It is just a waste of money, time and resources.

@@Wustenfuchs109 Amazing you wasted so many words just to write some propaganda shit. The Vostochny cosmodrome was built 2 years before Rogozin. In fact, now an additional launch pad is being built there for launching the Angara rocket. It makes no sense to rush, because the contract with Kazakhstan for launching Proton from the Baikonur cosmodrome was signed until 2025. There is simply nothing to launch on Angara. The Proton rocket fly on toxic fuel, unlike the Angara, by the way. You also wrote a lot of nonsense, about Energia-Buran (a too expensive project that lost its tasks with the collapse of the USSR), about reusability (a preferred goal in the future, but economic efficiency and reliability have not yet been proven), about earning money (Roskosmos is a state agency, earnings are not the first or even the second goal, there are completely different tasks and military contracts).

@@Wustenfuchs109 What an utter load of crap. How's the weather in Kiev ?

Imagine if the ISS crashing into the ocean was enough to wake him up

Isn't it R'lyeh?

Patience, padewan...

@@joescott You call this a diplomatic solution?

I'm betting that Elon was exited to meet Joe, too!

But exitement is Elon's permanent state of being, isn't it? So excitement might bore him :D

@Rusto you're waiting decommissioning, the ISS recently got upgraded batteries and solar panels

Bro anytime someone talks about deorbiting the ISS my day is just ruined at that point tbh. A whole generation of spaceflight enthusiasts have so much attachment to that beautiful thing it’s not even funny. I pray to god that when (if?hopefully lol) they decide to retire the ISS, they’ll be able to bring the entire thing home on Starships or what have you to be preserved for decades, centuries to come. We can dream.

@@akorn9943 same same. If not brought home, then pushed to a graveyard orbit, But I hope they keep using it to build other spacestations, it would be an awesome starting point (the only one available, so far). Could also be used as backup, The possibilities are endless

@@YounesLayachi or nudged out on a trajectory into deep space like a great time capsule to be discovered by future generations...or aliens

they might have named it "1st stage" after the "booster stage", if this is about the one recently. Otherwise it'd mean the chinese rocket was a SSTO which is just not possible for it. He called it second stage because it was the second stage to start, while china named it otherwise and media took the chinese name without really understanding it.

@@facepalm7345 I thought it was the booster that was coming back. Didn't the booster go all the way to LEO and then fall back?

@@prvashisht Boosters generally dont go close to orbit, they are mostly used for getting the rocket out of the atmosphere then the next segments of the rocket get it moving sideways very fast. I'd say that it definitely wasnt the "booster" stage as it would have just fallen back after the launch. What will normally happen is they leave a bit of fuel in the stage that boosts the satellites to orbit so they can sharply slow down and fall in a controlled direction, over ocean. What happened here is that didnt happen and the stage was tumbling through the top of the atmosphere, without any real idea of how soon it will deorbit itself or where.

*Drops baby* HELL YA! Time for a joe Scott video!

It's ok we're in space 😎

How did you comment yesterday on a video that came out an hour ago? Lol

@@jumpkickman1993 Same

TIMELORD CONFIRMED, are you the Rani?

@Natheist A She's a paid member of the channel so she got to watch the video early.

The Space Shuttle was developed before he was elected and was about ready to fly. No such either/or choice was available. Nonetheless, if I had been forced to choose between more flags and footprints on Mars, and decades of useful work in space, I would have chosen the latter. Personally, I believe in the power of "and".

I was wondering if they might try breaking it up into smaller pieces first so that it's less likely debris will survive re-entry and crash into the earth. And will it be a controlled (more or less) re-entry so that they some idea of where it's coming down, or will the orbit just gradually decay until it de-orbits?

I'm 32 I don't think that dream goes away.

@@cgreenland05 You're right, the *dream* never goes away, but at some point you realize you're too old, not in good enough shape, never going to *get* into that kind of shape again, and it just ain't gonna happen for you. John Glenn was the well earned miraculous exception, fit enough to go into space at 77.

What is it?

@@tyme2067 Vulcan rocket.

@@tyme2067 A ULA vulcan centaur

Yeah, ULA actually sent that to me! (was that a douchy humblebrag or what?)

@@jathalan A Vulcan rocket. That seems logical.

I'm literally from and in America but metric is easier to understand because of how much I've played Kerbal Space Program.

Lol, no, this was an experiment to test the long-term effects of microgravity on the body. By the way, the idea of ​​the experiment was suggested by the cosmonaut himself.

@@limenciel6081 you're helping that initial, "Lol, no" case at the end there.

@@sobertillnoon haha, it looks like the person is really very passionate about his work, if he wanted to stay there for 1.5 years, he even planned to stay for 2 years, but got a little bored.

@@limenciel6081 more like his mother in law was starting to throw out his things. But seriously, it is kinda sad he got bored. But then again, anything could get old. If aliens showed up tomorrow it would be 2 weeks before everyone stopped caring.

Another??? Where's the first?? Hahaha

The most capitalistic, greedy, con-artisty, shiesty, horny culture of people on this planet

@@cricketman7335 such as?

Patreon get early access

There's always someone who asks this The videos are actually available early to members of the channel i.e. paid viewers

@@theanuragsoni that makes sense! Thank for the clarification. Must get annoying responding to this every week