The No 5, Mk I Lee Enfield: A Comparison with the No 4 

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@@danieldalessandro96 "Good good, half the weight, twice the recoil!"

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Glass bees stock you never have a major wander zero issue again.

Or the fact that it's a short, light rifle firing full power .303 British.

Mihajlo go sell propane and propane accessories somewhere else you shmuck, he was making a joke lol

Well put!

@@ImageLimestone For me; its felt recoil is no worse than the No. 4. I have terrible upper body strength and they feel the same to me, even with a hardened buttpad.

@Maz Robinson Source? I have never seen this claim.

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Yep, I was kid back then and would see Jungle Carbines for sale in the back of magazines for $12-$13.

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@@britishmuzzleloaders you too, buddy.

Masih digunakan oleh Brimob di Surabaya. Saya masih punya sangkur No 5 Mk I Lee Enfield ini yang pernah untuk operasi Trikora, Dwikora dan Seroja oleh anggota Banteng Raiders. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YNYK8fRkG-E.html

I think it was used in Malayan Emergency 1948-1960...........

They did sterling work for what they had...

@@britishmuzzleloaders Testament to Slim's abilities as a General

End of the Supply Chain, the Western Allies agreed on a “Germany First” supply process. Serious question, did this apply to American troops Island hopping in the Pacific?

@@keithorbell8946 Kinda..but it was also a different situation as the American Effort in the Pacific is divided into 2 theaters: The Central Pacific, which the US Navy ran as that was mainly a naval operation with the island hopping. The other was the Southwest Pacific Theater which is MacArthur in New Guinea and his "hopping" strategy there to get to the Philippines. So Kinda yes. But it was more, just the sheer size of the Pacific and the time it takes to move

Tadicuslegion78 thank you, I honestly wasn’t throwing shade, I was seriously interested. On another RU-vid channel’s video about SMLE’s someone posted a message saying that the British Army didn’t use the SMLE after the introduction of the No. 4, I was able to correct the poster, the only theatre were the No.4 was used exclusively was the North West Europe Theatre, even in Italy the SMLE was used alongside the No. 4.

Oh to have rifles for $150 again...

Bought a Jungle Carbine in the early 80’s for $80 ... they had them sitting in a barrel. Almost cut off the bayonet lug and flash hider but a gunsmith talked me out of it, that it would ruin its value! So instead I found a bayonet, bandolier and a tin hat to complete the ensemble. Glad I listened, guess it’s time to get it out and run a few rounds thru it ... I added a wrap around butt pad to help with the recoil.

@@JimCOsd55 Good acquisition then!

I did too - I also bought a No.4 to complement it. I miss those rifles....

Got mine at a gun show in Ontario. Full matching numbers even magazine. It was $1000. Got one that Bubba got his hands on for $250

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Cheers! No more $60 rifles out there anymore.... 🙂

Sure thing.... Very much a "modern" sensibility... just watch a few minutes of newsreels...

@@britishmuzzleloaders you mean lasing wasn't a thing in history? Why would firearm safety have changed?

@@chickenman1801 Have you watched any newsreels?

@@britishmuzzleloaders I guess not, I have seen cop training footage from the 70s where they have no trigger discipline. You know a newsreel offhand? Why would they not promote safety then?

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So,.... funny then?

Japanese Zero planes: *"Am I a Joke to you?"*

@@AbrahamLincoln4 clever

Too bad....

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I didn't even get it until I went back the second time to see if Tommy 1 flagged Tommy 2 with his carbine

Very much a "modern" sensibility....

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Indeed!

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Ahh,..... that's a shame!

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@@509Gman Hmmm... wonder what his sergeant said when his brain farted. Maybe they had to cut it out because it was too rude for youtube

Maybe one day!

@John Smith ohh dear ow sad, never mind, hmm hmm hmm. A fine actor ee was.

@John Smith I hear that in real life he was a very gentle man.

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The detail accuracy and everything else exceeds anything I've ever seen on this subject. Hopefully you'll be able to get to the C1 one day!

Well, it's good enough for presenting the rifle on video.

Certainly not saying the zeroing issues didn't exist, but rather I thought it prudent to discuss the fact that it is, in the wider shooting community, they are bit of an enigma. There was this article written by him here (maybe that is what you are referencing)... photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/generalstorage/peterlaidlerpostsleeenfieldforums/icons/No5%20Wandering%20Zero%20The%20Facts.pdf.jpg As for the "General Service not Jungle service", I suppose that I should have been more pointed in clarifying what that meant. Thanks for the comments! Cheers.

@@britishmuzzleloaders That's the article I was thinking of; anecdotal but supports the idea of it being an issue specific to the intended theatre/conditions. No criticism intended by the way, just things that I thought people might not be clear on. The video itself was great, as always and regardless of the chosen subject matter; informative, entertaining, and well-made.

@@jonathanferguson1211 First hand knowledge of any issues is always the best, and he seemed to have some knowledge/experience of it...

I had a 12/47 for 30 years and it had a wandering zero. Harmonics and twist were likely culprits.

Their is a good chance that the wandering zero issue was specific to particular rifles and the “lemons” were thrown out long ago. The recoil is manageable for people who do not have bad habits, I started using my fathers no5 at 13 or 14. He drilled into me though to keep my thumb on the right side of the stock and to not lean my face to close the the back of the action. People who are used to non military rifles like the Remington 700 & Winchester 70 tend to do both and when handed a No4, No5 even a Mauser 98k will wack their nose with their first, and for many last, shot. It has its idiosyncrasies but is a real joy to shoot and hunt with once you have figured them out.

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So has someone else..... 🙂

He was a Lance- Jack in the Border Regiment then, 19 years old. After amalgamation to become the King’s Own Royal Border Regiment, they sponsored me to do the RCB, which I failed. Ooops

@@keithorbell8946 As indicated by my response, I have indeed read the book (many times ) 🙂 Great book.

britishmuzzleloaders I’d guessed you were a George MacDonald Fraser aficionado after referring to MacAuslan in one of your previous videos 😉. But, the comment of mine was to refer to the fact that I almost served in the same regiment as him.

@@keithorbell8946 So sad that all the old Regiments are gone now,.....

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Haha!.. You mean represented the musketry of many wars,... 🙂

@@britishmuzzleloaders YES! Represented. Like Michael Caine and Stanley Baker in ZULU - TWIST - You portray ALL the roles!

man in south east Asia where i am the humid climate and seasonal monsoons wreak havoc on the wooden houses that are not painted or treated with varnish or wood oils that why many M1 Garands that came in the Philippines are in worst shape

Could very well be part of the myth...

There were reported similar problems reported with the US Model-14 in Vietnam.

The stock swelling was common to all Enfields, not just the Jungle Carbine. It was a pressure-bedded barrel, so the stock always put some pressure on the barrel. With the shorter forestock, the problem would actually be less. Glass bedding and floating the barrel would get rid of that problem, but cause the group to be wider from the start but keep the zero with repeated firing, whereas the pressure bedded rifle would hold a tighter group that would shift as the barrel heated up. ( I once was at a competition in Army Cadets where a guy got caught with a rifle that had been glass bedded. Not a fun day for him.) The "wandering zero" was caused by the lightening cuts on the receiver. The SMLE had rear locking lugs, and the modified receiver had less thermal mass. As it heated up with repeated firing, the receiver would expand slightly and the head space would change. This allowed the cartridge to sit a little loose in the chamber and the bullet wouldn't be perfectly aligned with the barrel, letting it wobble a bit and fly a bit out of line. The reason sporting shooters don't see this problem is that it only shows up when the rifle is really hot, like after firing about 200 rounds fast. The original receiver probably would have had the same problem, but with the extra mass it would take longer to show up. As far as the "savage" recoil goes, I figure that has something to do with the English not growing up playing with 12 gauge shotguns. A .303 has a pretty wimpy recoil compared to that.

I had a 12/47 for 30 years and it had a wandering zero. Barrel harmonics and twist rate may have played a part.

Great to hear!

Pretty much... 14th Army made do with nothing...

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Couldn't tell you... I only have my experience.

@@britishmuzzleloaders I too found it no worse than a No. 4.

There's probably some compensation because of the shorter barrel - the recoil force is acting for a shorter time.

The felt recoil is accentuated by the Rubber recoil pad. This pad has absolutely no give in it at all and actually makes the butt even more narrow, almost making it a chisel point. I work in a Rubber Factory and have managed to mould a couple from different types of Neoprene. It helps, but not much.

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Nice!

Certainly handier!

That is the point of it all

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Thank you! Can't say there will be a "series"... as there is really nothing more left to say about it... maybe some field firing...

britishmuzzleloaders some Jungle Musketry could be in order ?😁

@@jacobclewlow1190 Close Quarters shooting and all that.

Cheers! Glad you found something that interested you!

It's OK,.... He knows that grouping isn't the same as zeroing.... 🙂

Yes, the Owen was used by the British in the Far East as was the M1 Carbine.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! It is a bit stiffer than the No 4 but not like some sort of crushing uber-kick that internet conjecture has forced upon it.

my favourite is the Mark 3,i find it beautifully made,and rugged.

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They have a certain appeal, for sure.

They were common with our soldiers in PNG, Malaysia, and Borneo, as well as NZ forests. Where they did a lot of pre training before embarking into jungle warfare. Because we also trained The USMC at what is now QE2 Park at Paekakariki. We were also fortunate to gain Garrand? carbines also. ( Excuse the spelling).

@@thecelticprince4949 M1 Carbines (not anything to do with the Garand) were indeed used extensively by all involved Commonwealth Armies in the Far East, post war...

@@britishmuzzleloaders im sorry to break this to you but us kiwis and the Australians probably stole most of them

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Not available for use in Canada! Sadly..

@@britishmuzzleloaders If you are willing to come over the pond I will arrange something

@@mikehoare1338 Thank you!

At least you go back and watch it!... Cheers!

The other one is Thomson, without p.

Thomson and Thompson.

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@@keithorbell8946 Let's not forget their offshore Swedish partner, Tomsen.

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for now,at least.🧐

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Michael A. Well thanks for commenting, cuz I gave it no notice until now.

Well played!...

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The no. 5 bayonet is not interchangeable with the SLR, although the they are very similar, the SLR bayonet having a smaller ring diameter. Interestingly the no. 5 bayonet is interchangeable with the Sterling SMG. I suspect the reason the no. 5 bayonet (as well as the Sterling bayonet) is so scarce, is because they simply were not made in significant numbers to begin with, and even less survive.

It's similar, but not the same. The ring is much bigger...

I'd say that is addressed in the video..

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@@britishmuzzleloaders yes

Congratulations! Fun rifles for sure.

Do you have links to any research/testimony on this, or are you making it all up?

No they didn't "trade". The M1 carbines were lend/lease weapons from WW2 that were passed on to the Colonial Police service and also the RUC so they were official issue weapons. Civvies were not given them unless they them self were also involved with the local constabulary . All sorts of rifles were issued to plantation owners. For close range work there is precisely nothing wrong with the No 5.

@@zoiders The word "trading in" is better imo.

M1s were common in the Far East, indeed.

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Wow! It'll be happy to get out and stretch it's legs then!

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Glad to hear! Good luck!

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That's too bad! There is a 303 reloading video on the Channel, if you are interested.

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That is hilarious!

Someone was on a charge....

In Canada, all those others are essentially not available for doing what I do here on the Channel....

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Cheers! Congratulations!

Good book!

Great stuff! Thanks for sharing! Cool to hear of someone who was actually part of what is talked about in the video!

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Late war close quarter shooting technique.

Very kind!

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All OK here! Cheers!

*note, I wrote this comment literally 15 seconds before you brought up the wandering zero 😂

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Thank you, lovely boy.

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They are certainly distinctive!