The oldest, dateable depiction of the Buddha in human form I Curator's Corner S4 Ep6  

Yes please! Longer video = more knowledge :-)

Yes Please

Please and thank you!

Yes please.. :-)

Not one to deny knowledge when it is laid before me P.S. i don't think it was mentioned, but I was wondering what those black crimson stone nobs on the reliquary are.

She is talking without evidence.

@@PankajDoharey what do you mean? did we not watch the same video?

@@PankajDoharey You are a Hindu Extremist talking without evidence.

Neither do we 😢 spread the word!

@@britishmuseum Keep doing what you're doing! Sadly on youtube you're competing against a lot of vapid and mindless content which for some reason is incredibly popular.

@@britishmuseum Even though I am subscribed and have the bell icon activate. I do not get notifications from your channel. RU-vid seems to be pushing the educational channels aside in favour of pap.

They don't watch because this is commercial space where profit seeking entities have overrun the ecosystem, polluting the minds of viewership so they do not value what is valuable, and enforced feedback system of a satisfaction ethic based on cheap sensory stimulation - violence, horror, anger, laughs, or envy etc.

I watch videos from you almost every day! Shared it with the RISD Museum in the USA already

Man, you sound like you've had some interesting times

yeah, the same can be said if this video and successive museums displays, there is nowhere political correctness doesn’t touch anymore.

@@IK-wc4od Political corectness? I am really concerned now. Did they touch european history? Can you give some examples?

Buddah was an Aryan white man,King/ Holy man of the Royal Scythian tribe.. ie the Irish,Scots,Britons,Europeans the true Christ bloodlines .. The true Israelites .. Not those imposter parasites infesting and controlling Palestine and all nations in these end of days ...

@@Yahweh312 Nobody: Absolutely nobody: ross g manley888: Jesus and Buddha were white and there is a white genocide going on Get help, mate

YES, I wondered that too. Would I be correct in thinking the west got its metal working skills from the middle east? The use of arches, in art, was common in Europe, though I think the curator said they were 10th or 11 th century, which may account for artistic cross influence.

@@stephenkunst7550 Roman artisans were hired by Gandharans and were later in fact highly influential on a lot of later Asian art. "Europe" at that point didn't really exist in the sense that we think of it today, though later European artists would build on and elaborate Roman styles.

@@stephenkunst7550 From numbers to architecture and basic hygiene, the west learned absolutely everything from the places it colonized. This should be common knowledge by now. Europe couldn't even read until relatively recently.

@@GoodBaleada Not quite.

@@abnormallyfunny more than quite quite accurately. 500 years ago the English were shitting in the streets and couldn't read.

Very good presentation.

Trine Langohr: she has an Excellent diction as well.

Let it go, it's history.

@@kickpublishing Like WW2 you mean? Yes, I agree.

thecuse of the term "the left" here is damaging. the left that did this is far removed from left wing politicians of today, and linking to two is damaging to legitimate politicians.

@@Mrpersonman0 You are 100% correct Mrpersonman0. I suspect that "Douglas Parkinson" is not an English speaker, it is such a peculiar mistake.

I say to embrace history, as we are all products of the past and take these lessons into our future.

You can toggle "on" the Subtitles/Closed Captions (bottom, right hand corner of the video window); I usually have Closed Captions "on" for these Curator Corner videos.

try meditation... sigh

@@YogijiClamzananda YES! (possibly on The Buddha) : )

I'm married, but I had the same thought. "Wait, was Buddha a hottie?"

CYOA dating sim

Carbon dating etc

I think the casket contained it . They were only able to read and translate what was written much later

Maybe... but India had great traditions of sculpture before the Greeks misnamed them and simplified their teachings and took them back to Greece which infused doubt in their belief system of imperfect gods. They eventually became Christians. It is not like the greeks were carting around statues of marble to show the Indians how to tool their sacred objects. A bag full of coins doesn't necessarily necessitate a revolution in aesthetics. This is about as valid a presumption as Hinduism being purely Aryan in origin despite the evidence of Dravidian artifacts from the Indus Civ. Oh sure, this could have only originated because of white people. Buddha had no wish to be deified. However, it was just a matter of time before he became just another Idol. I challenge you to cite your sources that Hindu and Buddhist sculpture originated because of Greek Influence. They may have learned a thing or two from techniques used, but this is also debateable.

Oh good lord! I am not attacking Indian culture! I didn't say that Hindu and Buddhist sculpture originated because of Greek influence, I said that *the first imagery and sculptures of the Buddha resulted from Greek influence.* If I worded things slightly wrong, it would still be absurd to think I mean that ALL Indian statue-building only began because of Greek influence! Why would I ever make such a ludicrous claim? Please refrain from snap judgments that 'dumb, misinformed Westerners' go around saying stupid things like that. www.antique-buddhas.com/antique-buddhas/the-oldest-buddhas-in-the-world/ "These statues can be said as the starting point of the anthropomorphic representations of the Buddha." (1st or 2nd Century CE) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art "... circa 115 BC, it is known that architectural decorations such as decorative reliefs started to be introduced at nearby Sanchi, 6 km away from Vidisha, by craftsmen from the area of Gandhara, a central Indo-Greek region." The Buddha did not live in a vacuum, and neither did India. The Achaemenids conquered the Indus Valley in about the time that he lived, bringing Zoroastrianism with them, and it is possible that some ideas in Buddhism developed in response/reaction to that religion. Alexander reached India in 326 BC, only about 75 years after most scholars believe the Buddha died. It should not be a huge shock to think that the first statuary of the Buddha would come from Greek influence. Also, the exchange went both ways. Besides broader cultural influences from India, many scholars now speculate that Buddhist ideas influenced the Stoics and early Christianity. For instance, how some of Jesus' sayings are essentially koans ("If a man is to gain his life, he must first lose it." etc.), and how his teachings in general resemble the Buddha's in key aspects. There is also the legend that Jesus went to the Himalayas for training before he began teaching, which...who knows?

That was indeed the first thing I thought when I saw the images: the figures look very GREEK.

Yes, and I'm not attacking Indian culture by saying that. It's just...a fact. India still has claim to the actual man himself, which is why the statues even exist in the first place.

@@squamish4244 Yogiji views everything that anyone posts through an anti-colonialist perspective. You can't really get through to him, because he is so obsessed with his agenda and his preconceptions.

this cup is greek art, at that time/area was state bactria founded by greeks, and with greek population

@ranjan lakshith sorry, nobody needs caste system and discrimination like india does , it's india that needs to copy other sports

@@galerivs buddha is from nepal though

@@searchingforfoodonyoutube2500 Sakas are from the lowlands of Nepals which are bordering Kosala kingdom and was even came under their rule during the life of Buddha and was heavily influenced by Indian culture. Though Siddhārtha Gautama was born in Kapilavastu he renounced his kingdom and was settled in the Kingdom of Magadha and gotten enlightenment as well as was served in advisory role to King Bimbisara.

Absolutely the figures are very much in the Greek style. This was created during the rule of the Macedonian generals from Alexander’s army

Mate, we can’t have people knowing about whiteys connection to Central Asia

Yeah... I was kinda surprised by that too... But then again, I think that fact is so well known that they didn't bother to discuss it

Lemon McGee based. Buddha was an Aryan and Indra a literal white supremacist

@@pelayo341 you're kinda stretching the definition of Aryan there...by your definition all Indians are Aryans too. And the Indra is a white supremacist theory is not the present historical consensus, the arya vs dasa thingy can be interpreted as a conflict between different ways of life. For example, the idea of blackness is used metaphorically so many times in the Vedas. The description of dasas as anasa is dubious. Similarly, mridhra vaccha (uncouth speech) is an accusation various Aryan tribes get too, along with the Dasas.

Plus, various Aryan chiefs had non-aryan names (U Singh, 2009). These indicate cultural cross-fertilization.

Thanks for your comment! The red stones are garnets, and the crosses are most likely turquoise. Sushma

She should narrate mindfulness exercises. Her voice is so soothing. I might actually become a better person.

True, even I noticed that. The region at that time was ruled by Indo Greek Kingdoms like the Kushans, who fused European art and sculpture with Indian religions. Their presence in those regions can be traced back to Alexander's invasion in 323BC and some greeks were also exiled there by the Persian Empire. Fun fact: The last independent Greek state in ancient world existed in east Punjab in modern day India only a few hundred kilometers from where this artifact was found.

I was thinking the same..looks churchy

@Gela A You're projecting modern concepts into someone that just loved conquest. In fact greek exiles arrived in Punjab before Alexander was even born.

@Gela A Gela is correct, here and elsewhere in the comments section on this video. Indian nationalists at present (with the help of other professional subversives) are hopelessly muddying the waters and creating an extremely deceptive picture of the ancient history of the region, to glorify themselves and aid in nationalistic fervor.

@Gela A couldn't agree more. Its an uphill battle, if you look at these comments sections.. especially as anti-Whitey mentality is spreading like wildfire, and the world seems to be being taught to hate/reject/mistrust accordingly. It's extremely depressing. History is being rewritten by subversives, and most of us can only look on sadly as it happens

@e causey I did not know that! I'm old(ish) 63 as well. But like you I continue to learn. Thank you! Jenn 💖 in Canada 🍁

@@rhijulbec1 Age is simply a part of the illusion of time.

@@davidclayton4842 that's a lovely thought. Thank you. I just wish the illusion would stay steady, even, and not seem to accelerate as that illusion ages. Yesterday I was a busy mom, nurse, wife. Now I'm disabled, my children and grands live a long way away and hubby and I are both feeling the weight of how very quickly times flies when you aren't having fun. (😂I hope that made sense. Today is a red level migraine day, so clear thought is yet another illusion)

I feel with you about your comment. Very well put Jenn. Am the same age and 'twas only yesterday that I too was frolicking away my time in glee... but... now, pain. Sad...

@@BPantherPink I hear you. 💖 I cannot, for the life of me, figure out where the last 23 or so years went. From 40 on the years just burned by. And yet, here we are~My oldest is 40. That's not right. I'm 40! But, my judas body betrays my mental state. I'm still that mom, nurse and wife in my brain. Yet this time worn, pain lined, aged face confronts me in the mirror every time I look. David Clayton is right. To a point. But my illusion doesn't find me in bed 20 hours a day. It has hubby and I doing what we planned after retirement Long drives, lazy lunches, a quickie in the bushes somewhere (☺), holding hands, walking, exploring. That's the illusion. Reality is just the worst betrayal of that illusion. 'sigh'

dude asmr about the artifacts in the british museum! make it happen!

@@dpvonicecream1886 hey i wouldnt object to her stripping down naked and climbing a pole but that was your suggestion lol.

@@dpvonicecream1886 I'm confused. You seem upset. Why?

@@dpvonicecream1886 but being a dickhead on the internet isnt. we were complimenting her on her voice. you were the one who painted the picture of her being a stripper. i hope you deal with that anger mang. it will eat you alive.

@@dpvonicecream1886 Saying someone has a nice voice is the same as asking about twerking?

We answer questions when we can: throw them our way!

@@britishmuseum Thanks. I don't think there is enough space on the internet to field the barrage of questions and flight of ideas that come from two intelligent boys with ADHD. I know I definitely can't type fast enough to keep up with them. LoL. I'll pass it on though.

'Piece' 😊

Yeah its a rather well known fact that it's bc Islam appeared?

Wrong. Fact.. Buddha Dhamma invasion by sunga dynasty ( Brahmanical culture )

@@amrishasingh1998 i am ambedkarite Buddhist. I don't think so.

please, your knowledge of history needs some review

Correct. Islam destroys everything it touches.

It's pre Islamic and will therefore be destroyed when the Muslims take over. Like everything else they destroyed in the middle-East.

@@philipfry9436 true , lucky some stuff was preserved

Gold jewellery making was well know knowledge in India and South East region well before Buddha

Why do you say that. Have to evidence to prove otherwise?

Artisans in general were. Look at some of the art and artifacts collected from pompei

that was greek country, Bacrtia , alexander founded cities there

Greeky roman architecture originally came from the persian empire,so its not greeko-roman architect but one that is native and originated in afghanistan or iran

That is false. The greek style for statues and other depictions of people predate the persian attemeted conquest of greek and later was brought with Alexanders conquest to modern Afganistan

@@RohenBlackwolf the greek temples were built in resemblence to the halls of the apadana in persepolis,and also to the temples of egypt and babylon,the greeks learnt the art of making bust and standing statues from egypt and phoenicia,asia minor and mesopotamia.gandharan art is as old as the indus valley civilization,and later become infused with the art of the persian empire.Greek hypostyle halls are just a replica of egyptian temples and the apadana of persepolis.

@@user-fb9ds1vh1l Sorry to correct you there but the greek archaic and classical temple style is based upon the mycenaean megaron, witch can be dated as early as the 15th to the 13th century BCE. The apadana in persepolis is far younger at 515 BC. A cultural exchange between the minoans and the mycenaens with egyptians hittites and assyrians is proven. The consistant cultural contract with the indian subcontinent is only definitely proven since the expeditions and conquest of Alexander II (the great).

Haha, thanks! Sushma

Look up Greco-Buddhist art, you're more correct then you think

@@mrroberts7828 Buddah was an Aryan white man,King/ Holy man of the Royal Scythian tribe.. ie the Irish,Scots,Britons,Europeans the true Christ bloodlines .. The true Israelites .. Not those imposter parasites infesting and controlling Palestine and all nations in these end of days ...tic toc tic toc

search for Bactria, that was state founded by greeks in that area (alexander settled them there)

@@Yahweh312 theres always one.

I would say that this is a NW Asian relic.

@ I'm mainly just interested in Ancient Indian history lately... I suppose the thing that draws my wonder the MOST are the old, lovely artisanal works representing folklore or the Gods... I love learning about this land and time! :)

@Gela A @Anuk Fernando ...why are we arguing about what to call the political geography of a kingdom from thousands of years ago? The museum has tagged this as a South Asian item to refer to a region that commonly comprises of modern day countries like India, Pakistan, Myanmar... if you guys want to be exact just call it Gandhara and leave it be.

Yes, but what of the ashes/bone fragments of the Buddha himself?

@@kevingilchrist5920 they have bone fragments? Would be ironic considering his followers asked him how to honor his body and he said 'throw me in the forest and let the dogs eat me so I can give my body back to nature'

2 hours later ; had an epiphany. You called it "one of the most important objects in the entire British Museum" and if That little unknown figure does match the Jesus figures Before Justinian butchered the image to be more Zeus like...you just might have one of THE most important objects this century! Imagine if there was corroborating evidence of Jesus rumored Pilgrimage, also wasn't the very first version of the bible written in Greek? ...ha so many other reasons but already written a story ;)

That's very kind, thank you! Sushma

It is in a museum... the largest repository of stolen goods in the world... the Bloody British Museum Mate !

Perhaps that is why it is in the British Museum, don't you agree.

Wow that’s a really good idea. You should tell the British Museum that.

blah blah blah...TOP...........MEN!

What would make him angry

Maybe they have a fear of "cultural appropriation"? (SJW)

Buddah was an Aryan white man,King/ Holy man of the Royal Scythian tribe.. ie the Irish,Scots,Britons,Europeans the true Christ bloodlines .. The true Israelites .. Not those imposter parasites infesting and controlling Palestine and all nations in these end of days ...

ross g manley888 Not exactly sure what your talking about but I know the ancient greek cult of Orphism which predates Buddhism by centuries. Is basically the same thing with the same beliefs.

@@Yahweh312 Find your individual self.. Find pride in yourself, Don't hide behind a group identity wasting your life feeling false pride or anger.

Jasper Force well said sir.

The only mentions of Greco-Buddhism I saw in the comments was about the Greek influences on the art style, absent any implications of alternative origins ascribed to the Budda. Did I miss some offensive comment or comments?

It's a fascinating story - he was a deserter from the EIC army. Sushma

Ahh. There's the rub. Thank you! I guess i was thinking of something more romantic? Although (from what I've seen) the EIC as well was weaselling in anywhere it could anyway. Are the reasons for Masson's desertion known? How did he become involved in archeology? Do you have any suggestions as to books that might be available for me to read? I guess I really think a video about his story would be a worthwhile thing.I've done a little reading that makes me think that any kind of overture to the peoples of India; leaning toward learning the language; and/or supporting persons rather than loyalty to the East India Company would be frowned upon as it went against the empire building concept of divide and conquer. It's probably not that simple. Jain

www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/term_details.aspx?bioId=138885

Thank you Kit Heart. Now I've got the thing from the museum and also a book to look for. Excellent.

It was not so in Vedic times . That image came up in 7th century

Well, now we know! Mission accomplished.😉

Also the greeks started making such things after having contact with the assyrians and others, i think everything has its predacessor somethere that how the flow of ideas works. Its a constant everychanging ever conected network.

This Buddhist culture in Central Asia spoke an Iranian language, Bactrian. That or a similar language was probably the main language of the area when Alexander the Great conquered it, a few centuries earlier. The Kushan Empire, which followed the Greek states in that region, was influenced by their culture, including art and Buddhism, but in Bactria the Greek language was probably only ever spoken by the elite, and would have died out about 150 to 200 years before this object was made.

he look like skitian, but cup was made by Bactrians (greeks) people who lived in that area (area was settled by grreks in that period, and they had state called bactria)

Proof that it is just a cheap souvenir made for Buddhist pilgrims to India by someone probably in Afghanistan who never seen really old artwork of the Buddha.

Greeks and romans got their architect from the persian empire,gandhran art is actually native or may have originated in persia,that buddha and brahma definately have its origins that gave rise to the arts and architect of the acheamenid empire.

@@user-fb9ds1vh1l False

Fanatical Muslims might well have destroyed this sacred object if it were left where they could get access to it, so Yogizi, you are very wrong.

@ had you read all of my post instead of posting your agenda straight away you would have read this, "While it may be a bad idea to return relics like this to a failed state like Afghanistan or Pakistan, this Item should be returned to India for safe keeping instead of some storeroom in the British Museum."

If you pray to a Buddhist statue, you are doing it wrong. That is why a lot of times Buddha is not portrayed as a man, but as a footprint, stupa, etc. You are supposed to be inspired and meditate on the teachings, not venerate an image.

@@hoosierhiver Oh thank you great enlightened one... but in essence, the Buddha doesn't exist having achieved para Nirvana, so what you are praying to is the teaching , Dharma... that is what the image represents... and you are correct, he was not interested in being deified, but his latter followers wanted to honor him and in so doing made him a diety. In theory, however, a Bodhisattva has put off Nirvana in order to help all sentient beings achieve liberation, so there is some essence of their manifestation present in the statue. I just can't stand the historical arrogance of the smug overlords who hailed from Britain thinking they were better equipped to understand Indian culture than Indians... The Aryan migration theory started by them gave a certain group of Germans erroneous perceptions. It was by design intended to marginalize the importance of Indigenous Indian cultural influence on history.

Take it easy Greasy

Won’t be, Muslims are fanatical, they would never let that happen

What... Like a pack of peadophile worshippers, would turn away from their religion???

How u gonna revive it? Bring Buddhist from somewhere and locate them their?

Buddah was an Aryan white man,King/ Holy man of the Royal Scythian tribe.. ie the Irish,Scots,Britons,Europeans the true Christ bloodlines .. The true Israelites .. Not those imposter parasites infesting and controlling Palestine and all nations in these end of days ...tic toc tic toc

@@Yahweh312 sounds like white supramacy

Please elaborate

@@swesleyc7 The imagery that you see of Buddha and other individuals are made in Greco-Bactrian style due to the influence and impact of Greco-Bactrian empire that existed in modern day Afghanistan/Pakistan. And that is why Buddha and other individuals have a lot of Greek characteristics, such as their face, hair, clothes, etc.

@@nicholaspo5743 Buddah was an Aryan white man,King/ Holy man of the Royal Scythian tribe.. ie the Irish,Scots,Britons,Europeans the true Christ bloodlines .. The true Israelites .. Not those imposter parasites infesting and controlling Palestine and all nations in these end of days ...tic toc tic toc

@@Yahweh312 - bunkum

Greeks got their artwork from the persian empire,therefore gandharan art is not a derivation of greek art but of native origins

You'll be glad to know that I wasn't wearing any hair product!

It really wouldn't matter anyway. It's gold.

How everyone thinks they are the expert lol

lighten up a little, I think it will do you some good LOL

It's gold. Anything that would chemically affect gold would probably kill a human being if they came into contact with it.

Taylor Ginther because it would have been destroyed or appropriated by a local war lord.

@@mtemple5778 thank you that is a reasonable point

@Lunar Viking india was conquered and colonized by Britain? no shit Sherlock. And the rest of your reply is absolutely unrelated to my comment...go take a nap, maybe you'll feel better

cuz they jacked it. Why did the dude even open up the Stupa in the first place?

Better question Why is she in Britain?