I think has something to do with the blue LED being so hard to create when it first was being developed. Meanwhile, red and green LEDS were already mainstream.
the reason the black is "burned in" is because it hasnt degraded at all whilst everything around it has, seems like valve isnt doing compensation cycles correctly
Yeah. it's really a shame to hear that they arent doing ANYTHING to prevent burn-in within the console. Shows they werent ready to drop the oled yet but just did it to compete. Which i'm grateful for, but hopefully they catch up. And give us the software support to keep the oled healthy longer.
@@vectoredwolf Do you guys not realize from watching the video that burn in will legitimately never happen under real world use? Who tf leaves their SD OLED display on for 60 days in consecutive time? This will virtually NEVER happen for any SD owners with regular use. What more needs to be done by valve ffs?
@@SolidBoss7 that's not how it works. Accumulation wear time is a real thing. You do not need to leave it on for that to happen. As the video points out playing the same game consistently will achieve the same through accumulated time.
You know how back in the day car enthusiasts wanted the fastest car? Now, people just want the loudest most obnoxious car? That's what will happen with gaming handhelds if we get crt ones lol
@@awsome14619trust me those "fastest cars" from back in the day were insanely fucking loud, and not all that fast in reality, especially compared to some of the stuff we have today
The intro straight-up feel like an 80s horror or science fiction gone wrong. That being said blue LEDs are actually a little more sensitive, and didn't exist until like 15 years ago. You can thank a very dedicated scientist for that discovery.
Small correction, the blue LED was invented in 1989, and brought to market in 1993. This puts it at 30 years old. The more recent notariety is that the inventor won a Nobel prize in 2014 for the invention.
So I understand there may be minor differences and it becomes extremely expensive to test both. But Valve used two different suppliers BOE and Samsung. I believe there's a different sub pixel layout between BOE and Samsung. I believe from the video it appears you have Samsung. So I'd be curious to see if it depends on manufacturer
one thing i've learned as a die hard oled user for the last 6ish years, is if you just dont crank the brightness to eye blinding levels, it will be just fine, and you literally dont need to do anything to mitigate burn in aside from not just leaving your static image screen on for days at a time. Just because a screen CAN go up to 1000nits peak brightness, doesnt mean you NEED to run it that high.
@@koustuvkanungo9873 even still, its very unlikely to happen unless you're maxing the brightness in specific scenarios for extremely long periods of time. if you run 50% or less brightness, you'll likely never have burn in problems
I've played pokemon go on my oled phone, and since it got absurdly hot from the game, I now have pokemon burnt into my day to day phone use. I guess if you are planning on abusing your hardware, the temperature of the screen plays a big role. i would assume this stress test would be week long if the deck was'nt displaying just a simple screenshot, but something actually demanding
@@koustuvkanungo9873 this is the biggest issue, old android phones used to get the home back and menu buttons burned in all the time.. the Pixel was prone to this really bad
Valve could release a "pixel shift" feature that some high end OLED TVs use, I doubt it would be necessary or even possible as a software update, but I think some people would appreciate that feature at least for peace of mind.
If you put your steamdeck in desktop mode it can download files with the screen off, you just have to set the screen saver to turn screen off, if you press power button it will stop downloads and go into standby. Hope this helps someone.
I'm still hoping for some sort of screensaver for the OLED for gaming mode, the screen could go black but have a small slow moving deck logo or something so you know it's on (or a little download progress bar or something)
I have an HTML file that is completely black and I added a web browser shortcut to Game Mode to open it in fullscreen. So I just launch that 'game' before downloading
Just don’t crank up the brightness while downloading and reduce it when not playing outside and you’re fine, this is only a „problem“ if you keep the same picture for weeks on max brightness. I had multiple steam Decks myself under saw a shtton of it, none of them had any burn in…
Even if burn-in showed up after 1500 hours, I doubt that this will be a problem for 99% of users. Like you said yourself, you keep your brightness at 25-50% brightness and that would be true for most people. And nobody is even physically capable of spending more than 100 hours on a game in a single sitting, in other words pausing the game, turning the screen off, playing another game, watching RU-vid or a movie, or anything else that is not playing the exact same game will save a screen from burn-in in any real-world practical use.
That doesn't prevent burn in. It would just burn in more evenly so it would be less noticeable but your screen would still be constantly degrading. Also I don't know how many users are like me but I like higher brightness on my devices. I like to keep mine around 70-80 percent. My switch oled I keep at 100 percent brightness. I don't have an oled steam deck yet so don't know what brightness I would keep it at but probably high too.
@@soulreaperx7xIt does slow it down. Having it 100 percent brightness probably ages the pixels way more than double as if you would have the brighntess at 50 percent.
@@soulreaperx7x Well that's simply just screen technology. All screens degrade with use, but OLEDs and even QD-OLEDs are infamous for it because of how quickly (in relative terms) they can suffer from burn in. So sure, with enough use and high enough brightness burn in will happen regardless of use, but that's true for almost every display ever, and as I explained in my previous comment when it comes to practical use burn in wont happen. If it does happen it won't happen for such a long time that it will take many years if not decades for burn in to happen. And by then you probably will have upgraded already. As for switch it said in this video that it maxes out at 400 nits of peak brightness. The OLED Steam Deck can do 600 nits in SDR and 1000 in nits in HDR. In other words if you want the same brightness as Switch on the Steam Deck you would set it to 80% in SDR and 40% in HDR.
@@soulreaperx7x”BuT ThEy DeGrAdE ovEr TiME” Ok so? So does your device’s battery degrade over time? We supposed to not use batteries now too? Stop whining and complaining about issues that 99.9% of users won’t run into.
This is what we've all been waiting for! Appreciate the effort and time you put in this content! You're the guy I rely for pushing these handhelds to their limit! (See hi-temp Switch, switch oled burn, etc(
Burn in will NEVER happen. Not sure why they would need to. Do you plan on keeping your display on for 60 days in a row at any point in time? I think people are misunderstanding the 1500 hours. That doesn't mean the displays will get burn in after 1500 hours. It means 1500 hours of consecutive use (which no normal user will ever do) could cause burn in.
@@SolidBoss7Consecutive use isn’t that much worse than accumulated use as far as I’m aware. There are a lot of static elements in a lot of games, this feels like bad news no matter what. It isn’t a “use it for 1500h and it will be unusable”, but for sure it’s a result that can show up in real life in 3-5 years
@@iurigrang consecutive use, and on the same image at that, is not even remotely close to being the same thing, nor do people leave their devices on one image or one game for anywhere near that length of time. If you know how to be responsible with a modern day OLED display you will not see burn in ever, and likely not even have signs of retention anywhere near 5 years. I’m on a LGCX OLED from 2020 and have over 8k hours of screen on time, and have needed had burn in or even remotely anything that could be perceived as burn in. People were so afraid about it then too and it was a non issue. Nobody even started talking about burn in again until the switch and SD came out with OLED panels and all of a sudden all the fear mongering is back. Ridiculous tbh.
@@SolidBoss7 As a Samsung user I've always experienced burn in in the status bar after, more less, two years of normal use Always with auto brightness (which most of the times is at ±25%) Of course you never notice it unless you test it with color patterns (as shown in the video) So yes, it's something that exits, you never see it on day to day but it's there, idk why people like you always defend oled technology like if you were working for Samsung displays of something like that
"oh shit i left my deck oled for 2 whole months plugged to the wall and specifically in a point of a game that is white in some areas and black in others and it hasnt turn off in this entire time!"
i wish oled didnt burn in because i want to hob on board the oled train so bad. i just cant justify buying these products knowing that they will go bad so quickly. i play mostly games with static elements, sometimes up to 10 hours a day, i know i will go through oleds like crazy.
I would never pick built in OLED for a PC - everything about how computers tend to get used, from the desktop, menu bars, often on the same website, to the games tends to be the perfect setup for causing burn in. Its not that I think you can't get a good lifetime out of OLED, or that the image isn't generally better than the other common options, or that I can't handle the screen replacement myself - I just spend long enough fixing electronics to know I don't want to have to open up my devices for many many years. Given the lifespan of my current laptop the steamdeck has largely replaced I fully expect I'll still be using my LCD Steamdeck in a decade (being a habitual Linux user rather lengthens the viable service life so as long as nothing breaks in a way I can't get the parts to fix it).
FYI wiki derived note: The OLED material used to produce blue light degrades much more rapidly than the materials used to produce other colors; in other words, blue light output will decrease relative to the other colors of light. This variation in the differential color output will change the color balance of the display, and is much more noticeable than a uniform decrease in overall luminance. This can be avoided partially by adjusting the color balance, but this may require advanced control circuits and input from a knowledgeable user. More commonly, though, manufacturers optimize the size of the R, G and B subpixels to reduce the current density through the subpixel in order to equalize lifetime at full luminance. For example, a blue subpixel may be 75% larger than the green subpixel. The red subpixel may be 10% larger than the green.
My presumption is that there's larger blue subpixels because it's lower down in the electromagnetic spectrum (with red at the other end), so you need more of it for the same brightness - kinda like with low frequencies versus higher frequencies which vibrate faster already. Though I'm basing that on pure guesswork and it could be balls.
Actual largest reason is that RGB OLED panels use fluorescence for blue instead of the higher-efficiency phosphorescence that red and green use. Lower efficiency means more heat that compounds burn-in, so spreading the emission over a larger surface with oversized subpixels evens out the wear rate of a typical image. LG's WOLED and Samsung's QD-OLED for larger displays are different again, each with a single colour backlight and colour filtering or conversion layers above. Both still dependent on fluorescent blue though. Phosphorescent blue is the next big OLED upgrade coming down the pipelines with promises of better efficiency to enable an improved balance of durability, brightness, and/or battery life. There is some expectation that the first panels using this tech may be in production later this year.
@@random_n And also a possibility of higher resolutions because of much smaller blue subpixels, allowing for higher subpixel density. PHOLED is very exciting!
This is why i´m not a big fan of OLED. I mean don´t get me wrong. It looks fantastic and 99% of all users don´t even know or care about burn in, but knowing exactly what happens, i constantly try to avoid it. It´s stressfull to always worry about it. On my OnePlus 3t i constantly let it switch from dark to light theme, based on time. Also i always used auto brightness, making sure it´s never brighter than it really needed to be. Fortunately this was very effective. The UI elements were inverting itself at night and day, thus there´s absolutely nothing after a good 4 years of use. But nobody else is taking good care like I do. Bought a OnePlus 7 Pro, Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e second hand. Both have screen burn in, even though i bought it from two totally different people. Since those devices are handled like throw-away things these days, i get it. Just buy a new phone every two years? On laptops and such, this even gets much worse, as there´s always the taskbar and icons on the desktop, which are begging to burn in quickly. Just give me a good IPS panel instead.
Tip for anyone who wants to download large games while doing other things, go to desktop mode and adjust the power settings to something that keeps the deck awake but let's the screen turn off.
Why nobody tells about MAIN OLED upgrade comparing to LCD - It doesnt overheat. It runs A lot Cooler out of the box (no repasting or vented covers or airducts needed)
oled degrades way faster than led , that's a fact, the shiny factor of oled and the whole paranoia that comes with it isn't really worth it unless you change your devices every 2 yeras. I don't , i want to keep my devices as much as possible.
Normal usage will wear out this display as every other oled device. I mean, you wont be looking at static image for over 8 hours a day. To minimize weardown of the o-led display make sure there is always something moving on the screen (watching video or playing a game). and turn it off completly when not looking at it.
@@L0um15Last i heard you can't download games on the Steam deck on standby mode. So it's impossible to turn off the screen 100% of the time, even when not in use... 😬
@@HonestToCritic go to desktop mode then turn the brightness all the way down. Itll then go to screensaver and the screen will be completely dimmed and the download will not be interrupted
@@HonestToCriticYou'd have to leave the display on for thousands of hours consecutively, which will NEVER happen while downloading ANY game. Ya'll are wildly misunderstanding this video
@@coquequique250600 it's not really, i've had many products with oled and never showed signs of burn in, though my phone with an ips lcd burns in though only temporarily
Are you living in the past? Burn ins haven't been a problem for like 5+ years now(probably more). Unless you're stupid enough to always leave your device on a static screen every night, you shouldn't be having problems. Other parts of your device would fail 1st before burn in becomes a problem.
Oh Wuff Den, he's at it again, spreading misleading and fear mongering to the simpletons. You would have to leave your screen on for over 60 consecutive days for any screen burn to even start. He could have been more clear but I guess screen burn in is good drama and generates views, like all youtubers, they live for this shit.
What frightens me more is that nowadays, we're expected to refresh even pricey hardware like the Steam Deck on a schedule that doesn't even allow the OLED screen to peacefully burn in. 😅
Are they running any compensation cycles? this might not be permanent burn in, just some image retention they haven’t gotten around to fixing because, realistically, most people haven’t gotten any image retention on regular use
@@kieran.grant_ image retention is temporary. It can happen to lcd screens too, but disappears after some time. Burn in is permanent. Requires a display swap to fix
Blue pixels are pushed the hardest to create White color so itll always burn out fastest. Its why it took Samsung years to make an Oled TV that lasted more then a few years
@mrbrookeyoung it's true but their phones are really bad for burn in. The average consumer swaps phones every 2-3 years but if you like at like an S20 that someone has still they have burn in
It's so funny to see kde applications such as okular just... in the wild now. thank you steam deck for pushing linux forward. even if the year of the linux desktop will never be here, it's great to always have the option
You know 24/7 "burn-in" is not realistic and actually "breaks" OLEDs when they wouldn't have otherwise. RTINGS made a video about it. OLED TV for example have refresh cycles which work against burn-in. If you let it run 24/7, it cannot run those refresh cycles and it burns in. SOME TVs even had bugged refresh cycled, which were fixed. And after the fix and running those cycles, the burn-in was mostly gone. That said, I don't know if the Switch or Steam deck have those cycles or smartphones for that matter, since OLED TVs use a different type of OLED then mobile devices.
Interestingly enough, on my OLED display on my phone, I tend to keep it at a lower brightness because, I don't need it to be as bright as it is. I feel like this has saved the display for the most part but, I am starting to see some burn in after YEARS of use.
OLED Displays are made with organic phosphorous materials to produce the color in the LED. Naturally, blue in the organic world is much more sensitive and degrades more rapidly. The larger blue subpixels are to combat this.
I got the oled deck knowing full well it will burn in some day. But guess what. You can replace the screen with relative ease. Having the option to do it yourself is a game changer and completely erases my fears. Its just the nature of OLED they dont last forever. If im being honest. I think steam deck 2 will be out long before my screen burns in What does worry me is uneven wear. So the black borders in 16:9 games might be a problem spot in the future for many deck oleds
It does not really matter. I had my OLED TV for 8 years. It has no visible burn in on normal usage. It is just some unnecessary problem people on RU-vid likes to talk about because anything negative gets views.
@@sleepdeprived9181same with my 3 year old phone (which was an old used model to begin with, so relatively speaking quite old in terms of oled tech) that has 0 visible burnin even along the top and bottom edge which I would've expected to have uneven wear considering RU-vid black bars and the top notification bar. And my phone will get so much more screen on time than any game console basically ever
I just got my Steam Deck OLED on tuesday. I love it. I got the 1TB etched glass one. Its awesome. So excited to be a decker finally and took me so long. Anyways bettwr late than never. Do i have to be worried? About anything screen or non screen related?
@@JimScreechie556if you play the same game for hours on end it might be an issue, ui is static and there are no burn in prevention methods from valve so you are outta luck.
Black isn't actually "burned in" it's the opposite, the pixels are completely fresh, the pixels around it are burned out slightly. So yes the black is "off" on an OLED, but that means it isn't getting used and therefore the pixels there are "newer" than the ones around it
2:35 "Which color burns in the fastest" Look at the solid color brightness specs on OLED TV reviews from RTINGS, green is 3x and 9x brighter than red and blue. The LG C3 OLED TV peak color brightness is: Green 298nits, Red 92nits, Blue 34nits.
I can't help it. The screen is just too beautiful at max brightness. But realistically I actually do 50% a lot of the time, I am willing to accept burn in happening eventually that's okay to me too I am enjoying playing and using it. I don't use it a crazy ton
Only some of Steamdeck OLED panels were manufactured by Samsung. The rest were made by BOE. Oh also the SteamDeck OLED screen is B R I G H T. Like, If you play on it max brightness past 6 PM, your eyes will hurt when you finally look away from the screen. It's crazy how good it is.
tbh it's still kinda sad that it wears in that fast, but realistically no one is playing a game for that long, most people i know now still play games but for like 1-3 hours a day, this is 1,500 constant hours of the screen being on for this to do that, and i certainly don't know many people that play the same game over and over to cause this burn in, still buy a oled just switch up ur games more often lol.
HDR and SDR brightness isnt the same. If the display follows PQ well, HDR will mostly be under 200 nits for anything that isn't a specular highlight. Regardless of how bright the peak of the panel is. 600nits of SDR is exponentially brighter average picture level than HDR is. Also most average content is single or low double digit nits APL.
No it's not at least not yet The dimming zones at this point in time are just way too big so it makes a lot of contrasty part to the image have major haloing effects ruining the contrast to the image I noticed this especially bad on my iPad pro with the m1 also many LED is like three times as expensive It also takes up more room and is more power consumption
@@The_MEMEphis I had oled c2, after 10 months I got burn in. Now I have a qn90c mini led from samsung. It's not perfect as oled, but it is really good. The contrast, black levels and brightness are all awesome. The best thing is I now I won't get bur in on a couple of years. Even Sony is dropping oled in favor of mini led.
@pesadeloperiferico7731 sorry to hear that as the panel may have been faulty. I have been using oled screens since the galaxy s2 and my og ps oled vita with still no burn in to this date. My lg c8 is 5 plus years old and is in my bedroom and looks brand new and i watch it every night. No burn in on my cx or my lg c2 42inch that i use for my pc and ps5. My tab s6,7,8ultra and not 9ultra have no burn in nor did any of my previous galaxy devices. Im not saying that it doesnt happen but only 10months use for your c2 sounds like an issue. I like samsung displays for tv but i choose sony or lg because i do like having the option of dolby vision which samsung to date still doesnt support. No burn in on my day one switch oled or steam deck oled either, You literally have to leave a static image on for a very long time for this to occur which is way outside of normal use.
@@kaiichinose9590You can have burn in and might not notice it. In my case it was a slight gray grid pattern all over the screen. You had to really look to notice it, but it was there. Anyway, oled is great but will degrade faster than mini led or led. For people that use it a lot and as a main monitor, like in my case, it's not worth it. I cannot afford something that is so expensive and has the risk of lasting only a couple of years or less.
@@pesadeloperiferico7731 oh yeah I'm a screen nut so I know how and where to look and test for it. I have a mini led TV in my living room as I have 6 large 7 ft windows. But my gaming set up I use oled and for my work set up I have a qled monitor. No way I would work on oled with spreadsheets and static stuff all day everyday. But I will say that burn in as of now isn't Really as big a factor for most. But I recommend getting a warranty with any high end product. I believe that micro led is the future (albeit expensive). Mini led is nice but still has its issues. But I have a 77inch g3 in my entertainment room and it's stunning. I will say though that Sony qd oled is the best picture overall for movies. For gaming I prefer LG because of more hdmi ports vrr, gsync etc.. but I am tempted to get of the many coming out 32inch 4k 240hz gaming monitors to replace my LG 42 c2. Just hope the anti glare doesn't kill the colors like a lot of early models. I prefer gloss but I'm also in an environment without a lot of reflections.
Something I like to tell people when it comes to lights and screens: The longest lasting lightbulb (the Centennial Light) on earth has been lit almost entirely for at least 121 years (it's on its own power backup today, it did go off in a few power outages before that, but got turned back on as soon as power was restored) and how did a lightbulb last 121 years? Well, it was made to be a normal, bright bulb, and they dimmed the ever loving crap out of it. Since the filament never actually pushes to its limit, and the filament doesn't change temperature much since it's always on, it doesn't break down like a old style bulb usually would. While I'm not suggesting keeping the steamdeck on all the time, keeping it WAY dimmer will help the screen last. The same applies to all light bulbs, LED strips, TVs, etc. Things tend to die quicker when they are used to their MAXIMUM. So as good rule, if it emits light, and you want it to last, crank it down. It's also better for your eyes. I used to have eye strain at my work, until I dropped my monitors brightness to 35%. It seemed so dim at first, but I got used to it, and now I don't have eye strain at all.
seriously burn is nothing to the other problem OLED have, THE PIXELS FUCKING DIE AND TURN BLACK because degradation. I GOT lg b9 never no older 4 years, I am already broke
He started off as a little boy leaving on a Gameboy color and set an alarm to keep replacing batteries instead of actually playing games. He just loves to burn in screens.
The reason the black is burnt is not because the dark is affecting the LEDs, it is because EVERY other color is affecting the LED EXCEPT black. So the black sections maintain their original strength leading to you thinking that the black had a burn in when in really everything but black had a burn in. (in the same way that we don't project shadows, we block light leading to shadows). One of the things that frustrates me about about LED display technology whether that it LED, O-LED, AMO-LED and even Q-LED (yes, it can happen to white LEDs too). they all have the same issue. it is not a good technology, it is over priced, the image quality improvement is not that impressive and they have very short lives. They don't have the best resolutions, they are not the most power efficient, they are not the cheapest. The colors are not the prettiest, The displays are not the brightest. In each one of those categories we have non LED displays that blow LEDs out of the water. The LED selling point is literally "Darks are Darker" ... why is that even a metric we care about? When have you ever looked at night sky and told yourself: "Maaan those deep voids of nothingness is really why I go star gazing". I think at thin point it has become a cultural status more than anything! people brag about their smart watches and phones having LED displays. Think about that for a second, what are the lighting conditions we use those under; Think about how idiotic the idea of enjoying deep darks on a portable device. LED technology has been riding on a nonsensical hype for too long. No one needs it, and most consumers don't care about it. Instead of wasting your money on that, get a normal display steam deck with more storage capacity. You are going to get SO MUCH more milage out of that. Instead of getting the LED display switch, get the normal one with 2 extra games.
I found a way to icrease longevity of OLED. Just use only 50% of brigtness, I have a 4 years phone and no burning at all. All my phones get burned after 2 years before with Autobrigtness ON, this simple rule increased time not twice but thrice. So now all my OLEDS works on 50% brightnes.
Black bars burn in due to the pixels being off. Burn in happens due to uneven pixel degradation so those black pixels are still new and brighter than the surrounding ones, this is something I have had to explain to so many people its unreal and I always get the same thing back. Its impossible to do that, you don't know how OLED works. OLEDs are like candles, you light them up they start to get dimmer over time, you do that uneven and you get some candles brighter than others to a point its noticeable. No amount of compensation cyles will stop this either unlike what another comment alludes to and this will happen ono ALL OLEDs and will DRASTICALLY speed up burn in time. This is just an issue with OLED and will always be an issue with OLED, also yes. Blue is the weakest colour by far and its why they are trying to make it 'stronger' overall.
Black bars have been oleds hardest boss. My aw3423dwf 1.5 yrs in RU-vid and indie games black bars caused "reverse burn in". 4-9 hrs of gaming daily, nothing.
In my case I don’t use SD oled 100% brightness cuz I don’t play it while charging and I want longer battery life. And Im not really worried about burn-in, at the price of SD Ill buy another one if the next gen releases anyway so I probably wont see any oled burn-ins.
Who has had over 1000 hours on thier Steamdeck Oled anyway ??? The thing is like barely 4 months old at this point... how much free time would you have to have to damage this thing ???? How rich would you need to be to have that much free time to spend on a steam deck I wonder?? 😂😂
Even playing a game for 1000 hours will probably not hurt the screen. You are doing other things in between playing it, surely. Oh, and you can just say "ohled". You don't have to say "oh ell ee dee" every time, lol.
The only thing that stresses me out about SD Oled burn in is the download screen for updates and games. SteamOS doesn't download in sleep mode as well so you gotta leave that static screen on
I’d advise lowering the brightness to minimum in those situations where you’re downloading a large game and leaving it idle for extended time. Sucks that we have to do that :(
i dont think oled burn-in is still a issue nowday,particularly with a small oled screen on SD,and nobody goin to leave their SD turn on for long time,even they do,battery will eventually dead before its reach 1.5k hour screen uptime 😅
