Brett, l’ve always admired your in-depth analysis on gender-related topics, and I appreciate that you’ve repeatedly emphasized the nuanced complexities regarding the two boxers throughout your video. HOWEVER, what you said at 1:00 , word for word “The Olympic committee has allowed two individuals with XY chromosomes to compete against women in boxing”, is not only incredibly misleading but a blatant lie. Firstly, the two boxers were allowed to compete because they adhered to Olympic qualification regulations. Secondly, the international boxing association (IBA) has never released an official statement saying the two women had XY chromosomes. The basis of this claim has yet to be identified, but internet sources have pointed to an 2023 telegram post by then IBA president, Russia’s Umar Kremlev, that said, “DNA tests had ‘proved’ both Imane Khelif and Taiwan’s Lin Yu-Ting had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events.” Even if this telegram does exist, it has never been endorsed by the IBA. As you have gone over in your video at 8:08, the IBA statement only reiterated that the two individual “did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential.” Yet despite this you went on to infer that the athletes have XY chromosomes because they failed the eligibility criteria, with one of the requirements necessitating being female and having XX chromosomes. How can you be certain that they failed this particular requirements? The truth is you can’t, and your cherry-picking of fact is both astounding and disappointing. Also, slipping in the word “alleged” between sentences does not justify your false accusations. Maybe you truly believed what you said, or it was a strategic attempt to grasp audience’s attention with such a provocative statement right at the beginning of the video. Neither way, it was wrong, misleading and reflects poor journalism. I completely agree that women’s sport should be protected. But in the future, I urge you to factcheck your content before making such unfounded claims, especially targeting a conservative audience that will no doubt jump immediately to the wrong conclusion and be infuriated with an “injustice” that may be non-existent.
Thats because she went so deep into her grift (for the lack of a less buzzy word) that if she didn't make this a trans issue the majority of her audience wouldn't be interested. It was purposeful framing of the situation so that it would fit in Bretts narrative that shes been trying to inject jn almost every story. She is so far gone that even proven factually wrong, she will try to find a way to glaze over it, still appease her audience (giving them those sweet sound bites) and trow in "allegedly" a couple of times to protect herself. All in all idk what happened to her, she was way more level headed and nuanced at the start, I guess hanging out with Ben, Candace, Matt and the rest of the crew made her spiteful
@@TTM1895 so you think any genetic advantage should be banned? Should Phelps give up all his medals as he had a larger lung capacity than the other swimmers?
@rywynn13 in contact sports?! Are you serious? If it's established that she has DSD/XY chromosomes do you honestly expect any trained female fighter to have a chance? - not to mention that potential repercussions of the pummeling any female boxer would endure. Would you want your mother in the ring with that he/she?
@rywynn13 It would probably require a threshold. 10% better? 20%? 50%? 100% better would mean twice as good, so 160% would definitely be an alarming margin for anyone to have over another. This case differs from the Phelps one, though, because it involves physical injury by one party to the other. With enough force, a punch could cause severe damage to the weaker body. I think paralyzation is even on the table, if I recall correctly.
So not Trans. Has DSD. What we used to call intersex. This is very rare. So the argument isn’t in the trans debate. This is a genuine intersex person. So we need a serious discussion about genetic advantage. This is disconnected from America’s quite insane trans trend.
She's a women Born a women Havr a vagina and uterus Have a XX DNA Have a health issues that made her body produce more testosterone then the average women Have a female passport Is muslim in a muslim country A country with very strict anti-lgbt+ rules. Said country is very proud and never would send a TRANS for representation in a country they have history with. And this women, biologically women: Have lost sometimes Have won sometimes Doesn't have a huge palmares or history of being a big champion unbeatable Was born in poverty and had to fight to survive Was birn in a little village away from the training area and had to sell tradh, collect paper and plastics to sell so she can afford to travel to training facilities She have never been or said i am a men or any questions about her identity or sexuality (since us muslims don't do that and especially in algeria ) She's very sweet and tough at the same time. She's a frekaing human ffs how is the world against her. If your people didn't start this whole gender switching BS, there wouldn't be a women where her father had to be seen on TV with the birth certificate and family certificate and all just to prouve that his daughter is a daughter.... Also, the people thta claimed she's "not a woemn" or anything, came from rumors of a fraudelous cometee that didn't telll which test they did on her ( could be only testosterone...which she produce naturally and women do have it as well in small amounts) They did not disclose the test and there is not medical certificate that says she's a men ..
The simplest solution is to have a Chromosomal test and testosterone classes just as we have with weight levels. The goal is protect female athletes not ideologies of either side of the political spectrum. This will not only protect female athletes from trans but also curb steroid usage by cheaters.
@@soumakirimoto2195 Yes, just like weight classes. The point is to have fair competition, so if you can account for those then it should be a fair competition. Be it testosterone, bone density, weight class, etc. But both sides are such partisan hacks.
why is that the goal? Last I checked, we're equal... so why should women even have a separate category for themselves? Screams privilege and not equality tbh! Where is the equal opportunity for men? There should only be one category and everyone should be allowed to compete in it...
Did you know that the IBA is severely corrupt by China and Russia and is why the Olympics don’t partner with them anymore? Did you know she represents Algeria and is from there? Did you also know in Algeria it’s illegal to be trans? Meaning they would never let one represent them and if there was a trans at the Olympics almost every country will pull out cause almost every country is basically anti lgbt and trans to a degree, the US, France, and Britain would allow a trans woman to fight a bio woman, but no other country including Algeria would ever allow that
But she's a woman… Imagine you've lived your entire life as a man, and someone tells you after so long that you're not. And you can see you're a man cause you have a penis. They have vaginas. It's probably jarring and hard to accept. What are you supposed to identify at that point? They both have been fighting for years, and it was never a problem until last year. Khelif hasn't even won before. So where are they suppose to compete?
I also find something weird that no one has complained before about her hitting too hard and now people are miraculously not lasting seconds when the woman had been able to compete and win.
This situation is hilarious because it shows the normalization of Transgenderism due to gender dysphoria in the west🤣🤣. Now when you see an actually normal but rare case of someone with naturally higher levels testosterone you think its transgenderism because it’s so normalized in your confused countries…😂😂
Yup....people like to fill the empty spaces in their lives by being Jock Sniffers and praising "athletes" as if anything they do really matters. People need to stop all the Jock Sniffing and praise the folks who fix things in the real world like plumbers and electricians and the like.
Steven van de Velde raped a 12 year old when he was 19 and is currently competing in the Olympics, and this is what you choose to talk about. I was under the impression that conservatives cared about the children, yet I haven’t seen a single one even mention this.
It's a messed up world when a woman who did nothing wrong is getting hated more than a child rapist. I don't see people like JK Rowing getting outraged over the child rapist, I wonder why.
She is Algerian. You might not be aware, but Algeria, being a Muslim country, has strict regulations regarding gender identity. She would have been in jail if not killed if she were a man who transitioned to become a woman. The societal norms in Algeria recognize only male and female genders, and it is impossible that a transman would be permitted to represent Algeria and participate in the Olympics. I would believe this story if she was from a country that allows this.
Nobody is saying he is trans. Males can still be born with ambiguous genitalia/internal testes, that still would have initiated male puberty at the expected age range. In Algeria, I would imagine, if your son is born with what looks like a vagina, you would raise them female. I can't imagine having a son with no penis would be culturally accepted in a place like Algeria, when being trans is illegal.
There is no death penalty in algeria, so it is very unlikely that she would've been killed, also, she is an intersex case, she did not transition, but was born like that naturally. No offense intended, just clearing things out ✌🏻
I hope everyone in here realizes this is a 100% diffirent issue than transgender issue. this person was born the way they are and is natrually somewhere in between thru none of their own doing
People have lost their mind. She is a biological female. She has a vagina. She used to be not so good, she trained hard. There are pics of her as a little girl on the internet. Transitioning is forbidden in Algeria. In some cases, women have XY chromosomes (even though it's just a rumor in her case, it's not even sure). That does not mean she is a male. The gene that codes for developping male organs is called SRY. Women that are XY don't have the SRY gene on their Y chromosome. That is basic genetics. You might know women that have that, without even noticing. Mauresmo, Serena Williams, they probably had high testosterone levels as well. Sport is unfair. Most good basketball players are unusually tall, the greatest swimmers have huge lung capacity. That's genetics, that's unfair.
Finally a comment with some sense. IMO, because the trans issue has been a hot topic in recent years, when people heard of this story they were rearing to be all “TRANS BAD!!!” before they had all the actual facts. It’s so dumb.
Imagine being this poor woman being hated called aggressive man and blamed for male violence just for competing in the sport she trained hard for😢 like anyone else. This is exactly why trans hate is dangerous, i am so sorry to point this out but feminists have said from the get go that trans hate will always result in hate for women because we will be blamed for it all. This also happened with a female athlete in Texas who was disqualified because she had 'manly features' while she was just a woman like anyone else, she just had a bit sharper features and got kicked out for it 😭 Trans hate will never stay trans hate, trans haters have started rumors to support their ideology. But in the end real women are becoming the victim
@@KurinMuan It's unfair to the boxer, because she's being attacked for something out of her control. Trans people aren't in any way victims in this scenario
@@batgirl.with.glasses5281 How is it that non combat sports like baseball and pool get excluded but kicking(taekwondo ) or punching (boxing) someone in the head or trying to break a limb (judo) get you medals? 🥇
Did you know she represents Algeria and is from there? Did you also know in Algeria it’s illegal to be trans? Meaning they would never let one represent them and if there was a trans at the Olympics almost every country will pull out cause almost every country is basically anti lgbt and trans to a degree, the US, France, and Britain would allow a trans woman to fight a bio woman, but no other country including Algeria would ever allow that
What rubs me wrong about this is how people are villainizing the boxer. She has an extremely rare genetic condition, but her whole life has lived as a girl. Because of this rare condition she is now being banned from competing in her sport. I see how its unfair, but demonizing the poor boxer is just gross, as it is not like she is intentionally transitioning to fight women, like Lia.
If you look at pictures from 2022 of the boxer they’re dressed as a man. Either way intersex shouldn’t be put into the Olympics because you cannot fully identify the gender
Doesn't matter. There are plenty of people who have medical conditions which limit their job opportunities, etc. Find something else you can do with dignity.
@@doctordetroit4339 Exactly! Their voting rights that they fought so hard for are now being used by them to their own detriment! They have been supporting their own replacement, and the death of chivalry! You reap what you sow..
Has anyone considered Khelif just got in a lucky shot? She's lost to other women before, including at 2020 Tokyo Games. Thanks, Brett, for actually trying to understand and explain the situation. We really need to learn more about DSD.
A person who's an XY intersex is an intersex man. His intersex disorder literally states that your body parts are born unaligned to your sex. AKA, if he has female parts but has that disorder, he would be a man. If it wasn't already obvious from the Y in his chromosome that for 99.999% of intersex people it's ALWAYS an intersex man if there's at least one Y. People are so dumb it's sad...
@@Sjfyy_ all this says is he's a bad boxer just cause he's lost to women does not mean he has advantage look at the size the wrench the high the strength clear advantage
And why not use that same logic on the italian boxer? She's just a bad boxer got punched once and called it quits, oh right she's white@@mikebaird6788
Nahh XY intersex athletes can’t never match a fully developed healthy male athlete no matter how high their testosterone level are, yes they might have 10 or even 20% more muscle mass than females but the muscle cell structures and ratio are not the same as “normal male„
@@JLWprime10 Do you? Well; Testosterone is a hormone produced by the testicles and ovaries that affects sex drive, bone and muscle mass, fat storage, and more. Testosterone is the primary male sex hormone and androgen in males. In humans, testosterone plays a key role in the development of male reproductive tissues such as testicles and prostate, as well as promoting secondary sexual characteristics such as increased muscle and bone mass, and the growth of body hair. It is associated with increased aggression, sex drive, dominance, courtship display, and a wide range of behavioral characteristics. Cope more.
SO MANY of these comments were CLEARLY made before they actually WATCHED the video. Brett does NOT call the fighter trans, she goes into the intricacies of this issue and WHY people are suspicious. Stop showing your ignorence.
@@iiTzKaran_YT A portion probably are bots but people have been doing this for years. Commenting before watching videos, nothing new. Has happened for as long as RU-vid has existed.
I think it's important to note that both these boxers also competed in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, with neither placing in the top 3, so the rhetoric of the other boxers lives being in danger is extremely odd to me. In addition I just find it odd the IBA won't disclose what tests were ran because if it was simply "we ran DNA tests to check for chromosomes" there is no reason for them not to just show that (The IBA has also been barred from the Olympics due to corruption). I don't think it's confirmed either of these women have DSD and is just speculation, with their national news stations being heavily critical of the criticism these athletes are receiving from America. As you said both of these athletes have been raised as women since birth, with the Taiwanese boxer having learnt boxing in order to protect her mother from her abusive father, and if it turns out they simply just have naturally higher testosterone than other women there is no question they should be allowed to compete due to all Olympic athletes having some form of biological advantage that has made them capable of competing at that level in the first place (e.g. Michael Phelps, any basketball player ever).
This is the only logical comment i have seen so far. The fact that these people are calling her a male and calling it male violence while they have zero prove to say that, is just absolutely wild to me. If she ends up being completely female with just her biological advantage like so many other athletes do, then this woman is a victim trans violence while she isnt even trans herself. How painful must it be to be called a man and a violent one at that for playing the sport you legally trained in and participate in like any other.
Look, if the individual has XY chromosomes with male levels of testosterone that is the result of a disorder, then the fight wasnt fair and should not have been sanctioned. Fighting is dangerous yes but this situation makes the fight that much more dangerous. Just because there is nuance involved doesn't mean reason goes out the door.
Brett really lost me by saying 'looks like Karini gets groped'. KHELIF has been harassed and bullied nonstop in social media since that match ended yet there's no mention of that. None of this is Imane's fault, the tests people are talking about and basing their opinions on are nowhere to be found, the only thing out there is the mention of the presence of XY chromosomes which the other hasn't been proved, so she's been paying for the crimes of the people you should all be mad at. And it is neither Angela KARINI's fault , her only mistake was walking out of the ring without shaking her opponent's hand which she later acknowledged and apologised for and explained that happened because it was her last match in the olympics and that she was disappointed with her loss and expressed that if she meets Imane again she'd not only shake her hand but also hug her. One thing to add to the previous point, is that KARINI's coach said that she has been training with Algerian boxer before the match and got close during that time, so if they really believed Imane had an unfair advantage over her opponent they sure would've brought that up earlier which they didn't neither before the match, nor after the match (like some people believe) (In 37 of her wins, she won only 5 with KO, so where's that unfair advantage a man would have facing a woman inside the ring? no need to mention that she lost many matches before these olympics). So if you all really think you are standing up and defending women which we should all do, Imane KHELIF's story is the wrong one to talk and be angry about. This story easily made some people forget about the mockery of JESUS (A.S) in the opening ceremony of the olympics, and these are the same people that said nothing about the participation of a volleyball player convicted of raping a little girl.
Stop acting like a liberal and do some research like a true conservative. Did you know she represents Algeria and is from there? Did you also know in Algeria it’s illegal to be trans? Meaning they would never let one represent them and if there was a trans at the Olympics almost every country will pull out cause almost every country is basically anti lgbt and trans to a degree, the US, France, and Britain would allow a trans woman to fight a bio woman, but no other country including Algeria would ever allow that
Why do people actually fight BIOLOGY. Men and women are NOT THE SAME. 🤯 Edit- it’s not about them being “trans” it’s about them imane having way more testosterone (XY chromosomes) which can mean more strength and bone density. Therefore other women can get seriously injured.
He was born with female parts. You know why? That's literally the diagnosis for DSD. DSD is when your sex isn't aligned to your born body parts. I shouldn't have to dumb it down further... but the only way "she" can have DSD is if "she" was born with male genitals, but it's the other way around, so HE is an intersex male.
Been Algerian(aka AFRICAN) makes you automatically strong So you telling me it's not "fair"for Muhammad Ali to fight other men because he's "TOO STRONG"
she was assumed to be born a female by a third world regressive society father because of her having undeveloped male genitals ... hermaphrodites have deformed/unformed sex organs ... it is then the gender test which gives the true picture, as was done by the boxing associations ... she has XY chromosomes and extremely high levels of naturally produced (obviously) testosterone levels ... hence both the boxers were not allowed to compete in women's categories thank god, even Lia Thomas (sex change) was not allowed in the Olympics (for now at least)
@@anitaokonigene1028 More women than you think actually have xy Chromesomes, there are genetic abnormalities that can happen. But i mean its not like a google search could answer this
Shes lost 9 times against women. Women who endorse her inclusion. The 100's of women she's fought and trained with her whole life never quit after 2 punches. She's not just brutally beating women into a pulp like everyone seems to just assume.
Exceptions don't make the rule. If they're to allow a male with a DSD to compete, who has fully gone through male puberty, what is the reason to not allow other males? Because the only thing that separates Imane from other men is the appearance of their genitals--they're internal--and that has absolutely no affect on their performance in sports.
Most frustrating are the people saying "but vagina therefore woman" like they haven't spent the last ten years arguing that genitals don't determine gender Hypocrites
you are all hypocrites cuz they all know she's a woman, IT'S ALL YOU calling her a biological man and when we bring up that she has a vagina you act out of sudden that now genitals don't matter, but BEFORE THEY DID??
And how about the people saying that genitalia does define gender who are now saying that because she has too much testosterone, she's a man despite the genitalia? Is that also hypocritical?
Brett, I usually agree with most of the things you say, and I appreciate your fight for biological women in sports. I obviously do not have enough information to say anything definitively but here are some things I found in research: - Imane Khelif actually participated in Tokyo 2021 Olympics (in the women's category) and did not have high success - It is illegal to be transgender or even gay in Algeria - Khelif never failed any "gender tests" until she was disqualified from worlds 2023, which is run by Umar Kremlev, an associate of Vladimir Putin - Coincidentally, the further investigation into her hormones was not conducted until after she beat a Russian boxer in semi-finals - Khelif was born female and has never identified as a man or transgender or intersex at any point These facts lead me to believe that Imane could be a biological female who has PCOS or hyperandrogenism, and the fact that she comes from a Muslim country which has been colonized by France and conquered by Italy is playing into the criticism against her. And Russia, ofc. If anyone has more solidified facts, please feel free to correct me!!! In addition, there is another huge CONFIRMED concern which is being overshadowed by an ALLEGED "trans" athlete: Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde is allowed to play despite him being convicted of r*ping a 12-year old when he was 21. Of course, all cases of injustice in sports and life deserve media attention and commentary, but perhaps Van de Velde is a more immediate concern.
@@woozin4696 yes, there exists so much more nuance than what so many media outlets are giving imane. so many people on twitter who's only science education was gr 11 biology. people see the word "chromosomes" and run with it.
The ioc requirement not to test sex chromosomes is unfair. He is not trans, no one is claiming that. Russia didn’t win against other women from other countries, but they were not “punished”. Imane was singled out for his xy result. A lot of DSD kids never realised they were intersex until puberty or later. Especially coming from a under developed country, these things go unchecked. And a lot of people are calling for that Dutch athlete expulsion.
@@husnasaadah3728 Thank you for your well thought out response! Russia did actually win against Imane, and only after that did they perform the gender test, of which there is shaky information of what the test contained. Also, intersex is highly misunderstood: people with intersex birth will still identify as either male or female and the treatment they receive from that point on will align with the gender they choose. Contrary to popular belief, it IS actually possible for women to have xy chromosomes in some of their cells. Women with Sweyer's syndrome or androgen hypersensitivity (which Imane is thought to have) for example. Does the presence of possible genetic conditions this make the game unfair? That's for the IOC to decide I suppose. I present a question: Is it "fair" for a 7"+ basketball player like Victor Wembanyama to play against a 5"7 Japanese player? Or a woman with naturally broad shoulders like Ilona Maher to play rugby against smaller players? I know the situation is different but all I'm saying is that physical differences have always been a part of sport.
Imane Khelif has been boxing as a woman for years and was disqualified because the IBA's CEO decided to disqualify her without any evidence. From the evidence Ive seen there was no chromosome test that showed she had XY chromosomes, she beat a Russian fighter and then the Russian CEO decided to disqualify her and the board of directors agreed without external evidence. Angela Carini has quit in the ring before so the real story is a quitter and not a cheater. Before I get shit on in the comments this is my opinion based on the information I've found and as a life long boxing fan I've seen the consequences of getting in the ring so don't come at me saying how dangerous it is because I already know.
Also IBA is known to be corrupt so this is the reason they are not involved in the olympics. I would also add that Carini was just bad in the fight, in Tokyo 2020 and also here in France, It's a shame that she even got money like she won a medal.
@@manuelaviles3302 One of the things I hate about boxing is the insane amount of corruption in the sport and its unfortunate that the corruption also effects the Olympics .
Imagine if the Italian boxer had decided to continue the match and tragically died in the ring. Who would be held accountable in court? How could people be so careless to let something so tragic happen in 2024?
Did you know she represents Algeria and is from there? Did you also know in Algeria it’s illegal to be trans? Meaning they would never let one represent them and if there was a trans at the Olympics almost every country will pull out cause almost every country is basically anti lgbt and trans to a degree, the US, France, and Britain would allow a trans woman to fight a bio woman, but no other country including Algeria would ever allow that
While it's vital to protect the rights of every athlete, including those identifying as trans or have DSD, the concern for a level playing field can't be ignored. Both fairness and inclusivity need to be balanced appropriately to maintain the integrity of women's sports.
Therefore sounds like Genetic or DNA testing is going to have to be the norm. There is too much pressure to cheat these days. Or we could make them weigh in naked and take a look. Like in the old days.
Forgot to mention she only just started boxing a few years ago and hadn’t developed the physique and skills yet. Now she’s coming into her biological unfair potential and you see the results.
@@mirrorocean3852That means she's not the man running through women that they're portraying her to be , meaning none of this was an issue until she started winning.
It's simple. Any altered body with hormone treatment can not compete in sports. If a man can lower must lower his testosterone under a certain limit in order to compete women, why women can not use steroids to push their testosterone to the acceptable limit? Where will this lead? Ban them all from sports. Simple.
Thank you for being clear about the nuance of the situation rather than running with the easy narrative. You clearly do your research before speaking. Good job Brett.
There is no clue or any source saying imane Khalif have XY chromosomes, this is a defamation made by two Moroccan judges last year championship to make their own Moroccan boxer win, they falsified medical tests and refuse to disclose them to public because its a case of corruption and bribery, its the geopolitical feud between Morocco and algeria that been going on for years and got into sports, now khalif is paying the price of the currepted judges who fabricated untrue rumors about her
The fact that the records aren't being made public is a big tell IMO. If people were saying I wasn't female, I'd be getting doctors on the phone, and presenting every medical record needed to prove my own sex, and put a concise end to this argument. I would do blood tests on camera. That has not been done. The father presenting Khelif's birth certificate that was issued in 2018, or pictures of him in girl clothes as a kid is not proof. If anything, it still proves that this boxer could have DSD, XY chromosomes (which he did test positive for), and none of this became fully apparent to his parents until puberty kicked in, when his internal testes initiated puberty. It still means they have an unfair advantage. Why not just start a trans/intersex/genetic anomaly league? Why are we just throwing these individuals into women's leagues?
@@bethanynorman1829 that's what this whole fiasco is aiming for, to distract her from her training, only an idiot like yourself would do that I guess, her team is preparing for a lawsuit and it's gonna happen after the Olympics, also she doesn't owe you anything it's her life, medical records are private and only her lawyers/ professional parties are entitled to see it
I'm Algerian, I just want to add that Imane has losses and draws in her career, so it's not like she's this "man" who's dominating females all over the place. Anyway, I appreciate your neutral view on this topic, unlike other Arab/Western media outlets.
Bro, I don't understand why why people impose gender ideology on Africans. Our sister won fair and square. People need to make more research. Imane is a girl.
@@xhaxachris7110 That's just factually untrue. Socially, she identifies as a girl, but she is intersex. She is not a girl. She has many male body characteristics, including significantly more testosterone. It's sad that she has that condition, but honestly, use your eyes. She's huge. She's strong. She is not built like a woman. You can't erase reality.
I’m pretty sure this person isn’t even trans. According to what I found online she is a biological woman she just has more testosterone which is like a natural advantage. Idk tho that’s just what I found.
what you failed to acknowledge is that she has never really won any boxing match? this wasn't her first match and has lost to many women before even at national level .... just saying " never been hit this hard" coming from someone who has lost nationals is too is kinda dumb
Riley Gaines also called Imane "male" without any proof or source. As Brett said in the video, we need to wait for more information before making conclusion. I swear Brett has way better take than a lot of republicans out there.
I love how this debate and her sexuality was never a hot topic before (when she lost several times with female boxers) but now everyone is giving their opinions about her gender and why she's not eligible only when she started winning and some female white boxer started whining about how hard the punch was, well did you expect her to be kissing you? You're not strong enough, admit it and move on or learn from your Hungarian boxer who fought bravely. It's not our job to decide her eligibility, and where were all of you during those many years when she was practicing AND several times losing? Was nobody questioning her sexuality before only when she started winning? I'm Algerian and beyond proud of her💚🇩🇿💚 #We_support_Imane_Khelif
Exactly, and ofc this was never mentioned in the video, she did not win every time she played, no one even knew her before this year, but you know an African winning over a white person crying is not acceptable , all hypocrites
@@calibur3067The Algerian boxer may be anatomically female, but not genetically. Even if it seems hard on this tiny minority (DSD people), it's better to preserve the integrity of women's sports by excluding such individuals. Especially in combat sports.
Imen Khalif was born with full female organs and " XY "(quick correct she has XX the "YX" was a false claim by russian journalist ) chromosome, but she lost some fights which meant there is a woman more powerful than her, so the Italian candidate could face more powerful woman than Imen.
Those woman at least would be woman and they will not have gone through male puberty or have male biology! It called a fair fight! There is always a loser but it needs to be based on losing in a fair fight!
Caster Senyema a South African was not allowed to competein the 800m at the Olympics because of questions of her gender. It was reported that she also has some form of DSD. Weird how the same measures wont taken.
Did you know she represents Algeria and is from there? Did you also know in Algeria it’s illegal to be trans? Meaning they would never let one represent them and if there was a trans at the Olympics almost every country will pull out cause almost every country is basically anti lgbt and trans to a degree, the US, France, and Britain would allow a trans woman to fight a bio woman, but no other country including Algeria would ever allow that
Americans and Europeans have been struggling about what is a man and what is a women but now they became experts and are able to immediatly identify the diffrence. So ironic
You can't release someone's medical results lmao. The IBA is on record saying they have XY chromosomes and when these athletes were disqualified they never challenged the results, which the IBA is required to let them do.
"Men abusing women is okay as long as they were born intersex with a female body part" *cough* the whole reason HE has a body part is literally the reason why he has intersex DSD. His parts are abnormal. Unless you're trying to say that he's an intersex woman because he has female parts? Lol it seems nobody knows how intersex works and has fallen for the made-up trans delusion. You are not whatever body part you are or want to be. You are your gametes and chromosomes. Intersex is ALSO classified this way. An XYY intersex is a man. XXY is a male, XY but ambiguous is still a male.
@@monax1a-ytso? Michael Phelps is a genetic freak whose body is basically made for swimming, does that give him such an unfair advantage that he shouldn't be able to compete?
Yeah can we really trust the boxer who quit because she got hit hard? Maybe she's just weak? A hard hit is pretty subjective. It didn't even look that hard.
It should come down to whether or not they have a Y chromosome. Intersex XX = woman. Intersex XY = MALE. XX, XXX, X○ =Female XY, XYY, XXY = Male ("○Y" (Y by itself) is fatal and thus not relevant.)
Please have empathy for intersex people who are made in the image of God. Reading some of the comments really shows a lack of care and are hurtful. Thank you
Imane getting demonized for existing. All she wants is to fight. She didn't ask them to bring her an average woman lol. It's a natural advantage she can't change it.
But this is a woman? At some point, you have to think about how complicated and how much diversity is naturally in humanity. You can only control for so many factors that naturally occur. If she was raised as a woman, naturally produces more testosterone, what does it matter? Do we then test for bone density to disqualify (because you can hit harder)? How far does this go? Do we make an intersex category, even though they've always lived as women? The intersex debate has popped up a few times in my life, and I just don't see the issue. Chalk it up to the natural diversity of people and move the heck on.
people just don't know about competition and boxing... there will always be someone who has more strength than the others, especially in boxing... that's actually competition... not everyone can win something. for example in basketball, there is a variety of players, they differ in high, speed, weight etc...
Exactly. And she lost in the past to other 100% natural women. She is not the Hulk because of a genetic anomaly. And her opponent quit the match before the first minute and from a single punch. She was a coward and a low performance athlete not to finish a full minute and claim the victim card.
Wrong. That’s not a woman. Nor is he she a man. She’s simply intersex. But in terms of boxing, she’s more like a man due to the Y chromosome. This generations IQ has dropped significantly
Are you going to review this situation again after all the new information that has come out about the boxer being indeed a woman just with lucky genetics?
To all the nay sayers out there, would you put your daughter in that ring? I don't even think a fatality would change anything at this point... A 17 year old girl was paralyzed and brain damaged by a biological male in a volleyball game of all things, himself and his team laughed at the girl as she layed on the floor unconscious.
I would not put my daughter in there, but i would allow her if she chose to get in. No one forces them into the fight, everyone agreed, this is this Olympics not the hunger games
@@MagicMaster997 Not forced per say, but like she said herself. She trained a lifetime for this and did not want to let her father down. Summitted after two hits, what if one of those hits was a fatal blow? Somehow it is her fault as it usually is because she agreed to it not knowing just how dominating men can be. It is the Olympics, they kinda are forced to not say no, it would disgrace their country and themselves.
@@hexgp Ok, so when a women enters the change room and a male is standing there nude, her choice is strip for him or go find a broom closet to change and bath in? Or just quit her life dreams?
Probably pretty good as it gives them and advantage in this arena, so they'd have a higher chance of qualifying at such an elite level compared to women without the disorder
The Asian one is a woman. No chromosome test was done so she never confirmed any condition. She just has high testosterone. (Also, this is just a single case. This has never happened outside of the caster situation….)
With or without outside intervention? It's hard to prove, but in discussions around improving healthcare around DSDs, there has been discussions around how in rural places in countries where access to prenatal care and regular medical care is not yet standard, some types of coaches will look for teenager girls with the traits to try to make money off of them.
There are two other advantages that high level of Testosterone gives to a person's body. Height and arm length which are very important in boxing. If you look at both of these fights. The winner was at least a head taller and had about 6 inches of reach on the other opponent. The OIC should be assumed of continuing to have these two fighters participate in the Olympics.
Imane's arm length was something Kellie Harrington commented on when she defeated her in the last Olympics, saying that it was very hard to get around.
That's why the average man is bigger than the average woman. Their anatomy is different, so combining the anatomy while still technically being female due to their sex organs makes it unfair to go against other "more natural" women
Really dude.. 💀💀 the Algerian is a biological woman first of all, secondly look at her childhood photos, she’s clearly female so idk why ur sad for her🤷♀️
@@gonzothecat5901 well to be fair it’ll be exactly like when women started doing sports, are you saying being the first or being the pioneer is a bad thing?
Brett I don't Agree with you this time. SHE is a BIOLOGICAL woman! And SHE is gonna be the Olympic world champion baby! Honestly, im supposed to be supporting my country Nigeria, but imma be supporting Algeria!🇩🇿🇳🇬 Make Africa proud!
Did you know she represents Algeria and is from there? Did you also know in Algeria it’s illegal to be trans? Meaning they would never let one represent them and if there was a trans at the Olympics almost every country will pull out cause almost every country is basically anti lgbt and trans to a degree, the US, France, and Britain would allow a trans woman to fight a bio woman, but no other country including Algeria would ever allow that
@@carolynw8614 This is not the “XY” male chromosomal case, it is a rare disorder where they have similar or (in this case) slightly higher androgen levels (testosterone, androstenedione) than average female but not close to an average male I think that has nothing to do with chromosomes in this case clearly but how IOC allowed her to compete even after the IBA ban Also some people suggest that other women have beaten Iman before? If that’s true, how is this even a heated conversation, people are over reacting like bots 😂
Bulgarian Olympic committee stood against this but they expressed their doubts that nothing will be done until after the whole tournament is done and if at all. On the Bulgarian news circuit a few hours ago, there was an interview information that the taiwanese boxer who has been disqualified from the '23 world championship for failing the gender test, allegedly threatened the Bulgarian representative behind the scenes, which she'll meet in the quarterfinals with the "I'm a man, I'll crush you" type of statements. Since this was behind the scenes and there's no footage of it and they can simply deny it, I'm saying allegedly but you get the gist of it.
There is no clue or any source saying imane Khalif have XY chromosomes, this is a defamation made by two Moroccan judges last year championship to make their own Moroccan boxer win, they falsified medical tests and refuse to disclose them to public because its a case of corruption and bribery, its the geopolitical feud between Morocco and algeria that been going on for years and got into sports, now khalif is paying the price of the currepted judges who fabricated untrue rumors about her
@@latsnojokelee6434 they don't wanna lose and they are making false claims, there is nothing that prouves Algerian boxer have XY chromosomes, just false rumors and allegations made by Moroccan judges to strip her from the international championship in India and make the Moroccan boxer win
@@aquarius3524 No, they are not complaining because of that, stop lying, and stop making up things without knowing the truth. The Hungarians reported the XY test results in 2022 & 2023, BECAUSE they were supposed to as the leaders of the association. I think you might have noticed that 2022 was BEFORE the olympics. By the way the Algerian had a chance to appeal, but they couldn't, since genetics don't lie. You can read it on the internet, it is in the official IBA documents. You know... instead of spreading lies here about other people
They made a press conference specifically for this algerian boxer proving that she is a female. She was harassed online by jk rowling and x and is now suing x because of it . people need to stop questioning her identity and keep in mind of this girls mental health. just because one girl couldn't take it in the ring doesn't mean she's a man. women are allowed to be dominating in a sport without the world thinking they must be a man. oh and she also lost to 9 female boxers. That doesn't sound like a man. if you love the sport like i do you'd know she has a woman's boxing body. anyone who says different has never watched the sport in their life.
Honestly though, good point problem solved, women don’t need professional sports since they aren’t as good as dudes with no balls vs dudes with balls. Sorry ladies have your fun leagues but leave the pros to the men
They’re trying to spin this that she had this poor childhood. But so did one of the female Brazilian gymnast who had to walk with her brothers two hours to go to gym class. This is always the default to people who support this type of thing, that the trans person or intersex person has such a tough life. Well, so have a lot of straight people too.
I will say I feel a bit bad for them since it wasn't their choice to be born with something like that but at the end of the day you're still getting an unfair advantage over other woman. So much so that it clearly made their opponent forfeit out of fear for their own health.
Don't see why'd you'd feel bad about them not competing. No different from men that can't compete and didn't choose to be born male. They could join the male category since people don't have issues if you try to punch up rather than down and if they aren't strong enough then they're just like most males who also can't biologically compete at that competetive level.
Yes she has masculine facial features but if you look at her as a child shes 100 percent female even now in some pictures you can clearly see a women and her voice when she speaks is feminie.
Brett cooper, you always get in to international topics without getting the facts right. You should fire your team or you if you are doing the check for what you are saying. First, she is Algerian and Algeria doesn’t recognize trans as it recognizes male and female at birth only. SHE was born female and had all the pack included and her whole life was a girl and a woman. As a woman, you should ask yourself if it is ok to see people coming after you because your opponent cannot take a punch and already did the forfeit mascarade in Tokyo 2020. Imane was 5th in Tokyo 2020 and has only 5 KOs. Not the kind of stats for a woman beater... You are just as many projecting american issues on innocent people. America has to stop exporting its problem.
Claiming that she might have testies (with no evidence) 2:10 is a terrible thing to do a person. Even worse to a person from Algeria. But Brett earns 🤑 for saying controversial things
I have been following Brett for a while and agree with most of her takes. But this sounds so cruel even her vilifying Imane after the fight slapping the opposition when it’s been clear she was trying to shake her hands.
I read a few things and one Irish boxer has good points and there are many might in your speech. This is enough for me to not have an answer. She is not trans for sure, never been a guy and the Algerian boxer has been beaten by 9 women in her career. Unfortunately for the first time in my life, I don’t think I have an opinion. No one saw the IBA results and no one has examined the boxer so you use many assumptions: undecended testicules, male puberty, etc, etc. Please reference your sources that confirm, this is the situation for this boxer so we can make an opinion. Best regards.
There are lots of famale athletes who "look like" men, but they're not men or transgenders. It's unwise to jump to a conclusion just by looking at their appearance. 🤦🤷♀️
man hitting a woman is a crime to most people. bringing a knife to a boxing match is illegal. i wonder why the olympics didn't just get rid of all the sport rules.
There is no clue or any source saying imane Khalif have XY chromosomes, this is a defamation made by two Moroccan judges last year championship to make their own Moroccan boxer win, they falsified medical tests and refuse to disclose them to public because its a case of corruption and bribery, its the geopolitical feud between Morocco and algeria that been going on for years and got into sports, now khalif is paying the price of the currepted judges who fabricated untrue rumors about her
sorry. I'm already confused. After all, this is the situation. This is what the Feminists wanted. They wanted equality, in everything. They claimed that they were in no way inferior to men. And so the Best Representatives of the Feminine Gender. Got the opportunity to box with the Sub-Men. After which they got punched in the face and ran away crying. In this situation, EVERYTHING is wonderful!😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s funny cause imane khelif is a woman there’s even baby pictures backing her up that she was born a woman. The reason why she won is cause she trained everyday unlike the person she was fighting who was going on vacations
Yeah and a lot of women have higher testosterone because of stuff like PCOS this could just be a servere case. She shouldn’t compete with men that just wouldn’t be fair.
@@gislaisla8628 we can agree that they can't change their sex, but if your suggesting that sex and gender are the same you just wrong. Every single major medical association disagrees with you. Transgenderism is scientifically proven.
But she isn't paralyzed. 'She' has a birth defect that affects her sexuality,ONLY. It wouldn't be fair to others if she competed as a 'paralyzed person'. She isn't paralyzed or physically disadvantaged to compete. Its sad because she literally has nowhere to go 😮
@@nicoobrowner yes, i also just feel pity to her. it's really not something she choose to be, at least the 'trans' they chose to cut their parts and change sex... but this girl she was born with a rare conidition.
@@nicoobrowner Parts of Imane are paralyzed... Imane's ovaries are paralyzed. It's why they get hormonal injections. A rough definition of disability is as follows: if the grid goes down and you're fuc't, you're disabled. If the grid can't make HRT available, then Imane is fuc't.
@@aymen__abdi2 Disabilities make life harder; they don't make a sport easier. But yeah, we can put him in the paralympics for any sport where webbed toes and a huge wingspan are liabilities. Maybe gymnastics. Sounds good?
